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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Ian_D on 01 September 2008, 18:26:08
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Does anyone know how I can limit the bandwidth on my sisters computer at home?
Im sharing the ADSL connection on my win 2003 server. My sister is using xp pro. Shes always streaming audio and video over the web, now this normally wouldn't be a problem, but im only on 256k at the moment! :-/
Its driving me crazy... somtimes I have to wait AGES for a simple page to load >:(
My tempary get around is to change my servers IP address so she has no internet at all... however she only moans then! ;D And its a pain having ot change IP's back and forth. :(
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is she happy to be limited? or will you need to control it at your end?
also do you want her on a fixed limit, or a quality of service type limit....ie YOU have 50% reserved, but if you are not trying to use it she can have 100%
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is she happy to be limited? or will you need to control it at your end?
also do you want her on a fixed limit, or a quality of service type limit....ie YOU have 50% reserved, but if you are not trying to use it she can have 100%
she would rather it be limited than cut off ;D
Well, 50% reserved type would be better, however a fixed limit would do the trick still :y
Ive no idea why, but her pc somehow has priority over mine :o Could be my wireless thats slowing things a bit (its an old wifi access point thats on its last legs) But even so, if shes online, my speed is about the same as dial-up.
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How are you sharing your internet connection, from your other post, usb into server, and using ICS?
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at the moment yes :(
Server is on 24/7 - not that its doing much at the moment (most of the traffic is from here actualy! and thats only people downloading my avatar pic! and the odd pic here and there!)
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not looked at this for a while, but check out www.netlimiter.com
it may offer the functionality you require :y
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Hmmmm, from an equipment perspective, its normaly something you would set in a bridge at a layer 2 level based on prioritised que's......from a server perspective, I cant comment (although I suspect the software does a similar thing).
in the layer 2 scenario you would give yourself max priority and her a lesser one. You would then get priority over her (it wont cut her QoS to zero though, just back it off)
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Hmmmm, from an equipment perspective, its normaly something you would set in a bridge at a layer 2 level based on prioritised que's......from a server perspective, I cant comment (although I suspect the software does a similar thing).
in the layer 2 scenario you would give yourself max priority and her a lesser one. You would then get priority over her (it wont cut her QoS to zero though, just back it off)
Seem to recall stndard versions of W2k3 doesn't do QoS, and its not a great implementation anyway.
The QoS implementation on the routers I use works but isn't entirely foolproof, in that it can not do much about incoming traffic. I have to use it on the OOF frontend router to keep certain services running well.
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Hmmmm, from an equipment perspective, its normaly something you would set in a bridge at a layer 2 level based on prioritised que's......from a server perspective, I cant comment (although I suspect the software does a similar thing).
in the layer 2 scenario you would give yourself max priority and her a lesser one. You would then get priority over her (it wont cut her QoS to zero though, just back it off)
Ooh, the joys of the OSI 7 Layer Model (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model).
It's good for understanding how networks work but Gordon Bennet, is it a boring class. Give me analogue electronics - or even maths :)
Anyway - correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that Cisco based routers did this automatically? Perhaps the answer is to buy a cheap Netgear?
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Hmmmm, from an equipment perspective, its normaly something you would set in a bridge at a layer 2 level based on prioritised que's......from a server perspective, I cant comment (although I suspect the software does a similar thing).
in the layer 2 scenario you would give yourself max priority and her a lesser one. You would then get priority over her (it wont cut her QoS to zero though, just back it off)
Ooh, the joys of the OSI 7 Layer Model (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model).
It's good for understanding how networks work but Gordon Bennet, is it a boring class. Give me analogue electronics - or even maths :)
Anyway - correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that Cisco based routers did this automatically? Perhaps the answer is to buy a cheap Netgear?
No router involed, if there was a 1/2 decent one this thread wouldnt exist (thats the other solution - buy one with load sharing) ALL the traffic goes through 1 PC, and a USB 'modem' so a software solution is needed here.
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No router involed, if there was a 1/2 decent one this thread wouldnt exist (thats the other solution - buy one with load sharing) ALL the traffic goes through 1 PC, and a USB 'modem' so a software solution is needed here.
Just a suggestion for a cheap (not free) fix. (Should have said Linksys as well).
Software that works at level 2 or 3 is going to be tough. OS doesn't start till layer 4... Layer 5 for Win... AFAIK.
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No router involed, if there was a 1/2 decent one this thread wouldnt exist (thats the other solution - buy one with load sharing) ALL the traffic goes through 1 PC, and a USB 'modem' so a software solution is needed here.
Just a suggestion for a cheap (not free) fix. (Should have said Linksys as well).
Software that works at level 2 or 3 is going to be tough. OS doesn't start till layer 4... Layer 5 for Win... AFAIK.
So Window's IP stack is not Layer 3 then :o ;)
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Hmmmm, from an equipment perspective, its normaly something you would set in a bridge at a layer 2 level based on prioritised que's......from a server perspective, I cant comment (although I suspect the software does a similar thing).
in the layer 2 scenario you would give yourself max priority and her a lesser one. You would then get priority over her (it wont cut her QoS to zero though, just back it off)
Seem to recall stndard versions of W2k3 doesn't do QoS, and its not a great implementation anyway.
The QoS implementation on the routers I use works but isn't entirely foolproof, in that it can not do much about incoming traffic. I have to use it on the OOF frontend router to keep certain services running well.
Depends on what algorithm the bridge (remember, its bridges at layer 2) is running for the QoS.
Reality is, QoS is the only option for true network control!
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Hmmmm, from an equipment perspective, its normaly something you would set in a bridge at a layer 2 level based on prioritised que's......from a server perspective, I cant comment (although I suspect the software does a similar thing).
in the layer 2 scenario you would give yourself max priority and her a lesser one. You would then get priority over her (it wont cut her QoS to zero though, just back it off)
Seem to recall stndard versions of W2k3 doesn't do QoS, and its not a great implementation anyway.
The QoS implementation on the routers I use works but isn't entirely foolproof, in that it can not do much about incoming traffic. I have to use it on the OOF frontend router to keep certain services running well.
Depends on what algorithm the bridge (remember, its bridges at layer 2) is running for the QoS.
Reality is, QoS is the only option for true network control!
Trouble is, if only one half of the link provides it, it is always half baked isn't it? I can control what leaves my network via QoS, but cannot control receiving, as other end of the link (ISP/IPStream) doesn't support it...
I'm all ears, and bow to your expertise on this :y
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Buy & install this on your server - http://www.softperfect.com/products/bandwidth/
Make sure her mac is blocked on your router so she can't connect directly to the Internet
Configure her PC to use the server as the default gateway
Only other way is like has been mentioned - get a decent router or a L3 switch & use QoS and give her a really low priority.
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Right, looks like I need to look into QoS... Ive never looked at it before.
I knew QoS = Quality of Service... But what that is/was.. :-X
Looks like I will be busy reading my server books tonight!
which reminds me... need to stick a new tape in the backup drive, and start backing the thing up!!! Dont even know where the last backup is! ;D
Tis all fun! :y
Edit : Quick one... Do all versions of 2003 come with QoS? Has it! Grr.. got to reboot it now! :-/
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Trouble is, if only one half of the link provides it, it is always half baked isn't it? I can control what leaves my network via QoS, but cannot control receiving, as other end of the link (ISP/IPStream) doesn't support it...
I'm all ears, and bow to your expertise on this :y
If the incoming traffic is a TCP stream it could presumably be crudely shaped at layer 3 by selectively delaying the outgoing acks based on bandwidth usage. The remote end would then go into congestion control and back off, assuming it's well-behaved.
If the incoming traffic is a shedload of SYNs or UDP datagrams you need some control at the remote end though.
Kevin
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Hmmmm, from an equipment perspective, its normaly something you would set in a bridge at a layer 2 level based on prioritised que's......from a server perspective, I cant comment (although I suspect the software does a similar thing).
in the layer 2 scenario you would give yourself max priority and her a lesser one. You would then get priority over her (it wont cut her QoS to zero though, just back it off)
Seem to recall stndard versions of W2k3 doesn't do QoS, and its not a great implementation anyway.
The QoS implementation on the routers I use works but isn't entirely foolproof, in that it can not do much about incoming traffic. I have to use it on the OOF frontend router to keep certain services running well.
Depends on what algorithm the bridge (remember, its bridges at layer 2) is running for the QoS.
Reality is, QoS is the only option for true network control!
Trouble is, if only one half of the link provides it, it is always half baked isn't it? I can control what leaves my network via QoS, but cannot control receiving, as other end of the link (ISP/IPStream) doesn't support it...
I'm all ears, and bow to your expertise on this :y
In this scenario we are trying to impliment traffic management on an egress port, we want fill capability in the ingress.....one port would be used for supply to sisters computer and the other the PC.
In your scenario, the QoS will have stopped at the ISP bridge port i.e. just beyond your reach and control (they wont want you to have control over QoS in THIER network now will they!).
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I say again to have a look at netlimiter.
It gives you a nice updating table of all inbound and outbound traffic.
You click on the one you want to reduce, and set the max K they are allowed (both up and downstream) and hey presto.
In ICS, I believe there will be a SVCHOST process controlling all her bandwidth, limit this and I think you will be sorted.
Quick and dirty, but will give you control, there is a free trial version available ;)
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my idea ..dont go into mess.. use seperate adsl lines ;D :y
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I say again to have a look at netlimiter.
It gives you a nice updating table of all inbound and outbound traffic.
You click on the one you want to reduce, and set the max K they are allowed (both up and downstream) and hey presto.
In ICS, I believe there will be a SVCHOST process controlling all her bandwidth, limit this and I think you will be sorted.
Quick and dirty, but will give you control, there is a free trial version available ;)
I have used the trial a while back, only problem was she kept changing the limits herself.. or 'end tasking' it >:(
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Did your run it on Your computer or hers?
Her access all goes through YOUR computer, so limit that, and provding she cant access your computer, bobs your uncle ;)
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I used something called Traffic Shaper before. Does the job.
Better to have it managed by hardware though, but routers that do that usually cost a few quid more than even rich people would want to part with.
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Did your run it on Your computer or hers?
Her access all goes through YOUR computer, so limit that, and provding she cant access your computer, bobs your uncle ;)
Ive got a Home server (Windows 2003). That is connected to broadband through a USB ADSL modem. The server has ICS on it which shares the internet.
My sisters PC (or family PC, has XP on). I then have my own pc, and a number of laptops.
If I install this onto the server, wouldn't it limit all the computers on the network?
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...Only other way is like has been mentioned - get a decent router or a L3 switch & use QoS and give her a really low priority.
Can I just use the QoS on the server then?
Tell you what would be easy, get her to dial up to my server!!! I do this quite often through my own exchange when I need to put an old laptop onto the net for drivers etc! Doesn't cost me anything then :y