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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Mutha Jugs n Speed on 07 November 2020, 12:03:31
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A few weeks back I had a new windscreen on the white 3.0 fitted by Autoglass,no probs with them at all. While they were working on the car, one of the guys noticed that the red 3.2 windscreen trim was looking a bit manky and gave me a new one for it...nice one! But having tried to make it fit tightly,it's not happening......I've read the previous posts on similar woes,and is Sikaflex still the preferred remedy for this problem? :-\
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Screen out, fit the frame to the glass and then fit the rubber to the trim then fit to the car.
Almost impossible to fit it correctly without pulling the screen. :'(
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Sounds good, but would need to get someone to take the screen out,with the possibility of breaking it,and then having the six week wait for another one. Re the saga of the white car with Autoglass.I was thinking just settle the new trim in with a bead of suitable sealant,as it looks like that's doable. :-\
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Having had a trim escape on the motorway it wouldn't be my first choice :-\
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Although the trim came packaged as Omega,I'm thinking perhaps it maybe a one size fits all item.....going to have a think on this one. :-\ Just don't want a load of grief and lies from the insurance company and Autoglass,like the last time with the white car. >:(
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Addison windscreens in Guildford ;)
In the spring. When you're allowed out again. It won't do any harm as is ;)
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I cant get the trim to sit properly on my screen since I had the screen replaced.The trim came off while driving, similar to DG, so I replaced it and used a few dabs of Sikaflex on the corners to hold it down, but it wouldnt sit flush and looked awful.
I removed it altogether about a year ago. Will probably go for a new screen sometime in the future and dig my heels in to have the job done properly from day one.
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Only solution as other say is to have screen out and fit trim/or ideally new trim.
3 years ago just before going on holiday to Tenby got new screen fitted by Autoglass and on way had the entire trim launch itself off car never to be seen again .Upon return called Autoglass and they came out with a full set of new trims and guy they sent knew how to do the job properly and it has been in place as designed ever since.
They aren,t easy to fit by all accounts and most fitters have never seen an Omega let along replaced a screen......you need to find 1 who has the skill set :y
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I'll probably do the same....this is one job that's going on the back burner until spring next year :y
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Probably wise what with BirdFlu/Brexit and all the other shite going on >:(
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Did the old screen trim on the red 3.2, although 'manky', sit ok? If so, it's obviously the replacement aftermarket goalpost trim that isn't of the correct profile to sit flush. From experience, the channel in the plastic retainer is likely to have collected a fair degree of silt over the years which needs cleaning out. I would then fully clean the 'goalpost' trim, but I have found it is a lot easier to fit it snugly by applying a thin smear of red rubber grease on the tongue. This prevents any damage to it when guiding the tongue into the retainer, and helps it into place.
If the trim didn't fit snugly before, then you only real alternative is a new trim from VX - they are available in Germany although Autovaux seem to be able to supply and deliver the genuine article cheaper than VX.
You can actually replace the retainers with care whilst the original screen is in situ as long as the goo used hasn't sealed it to the screen itself. But you need patience and a lot of care to do it without damage. The upper retainers are unfortunately no longer available from VX....
When refitting the retainers, I have used a few blobs of black Adiseal to keep it in situ. It's a bit more flexible than Sikaflex which I like but sticks like the proverbial...
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In my case they used the old trim as they didnt bring a new one with them. It sat a bit proud at the top corners, but they said if I pushed it down into place on a warm sunny day, it would be fine. They were talking shite. ::)
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Did the old screen trim on the red 3.2, although 'manky', sit ok? If so, it's obviously the replacement aftermarket goalpost trim that isn't of the correct profile to sit flush. From experience, the channel in the plastic retainer is likely to have collected a fair degree of silt over the years which needs cleaning out. I would then fully clean the 'goalpost' trim, but I have found it is a lot easier to fit it snugly by applying a thin smear of red rubber grease on the tongue. This prevents any damage to it when guiding the tongue into the retainer, and helps it into place.
If the trim didn't fit snugly before, then you only real alternative is a new trim from VX - they are available in Germany although Autovaux seem to be able to supply and deliver the genuine article cheaper than VX.
You can actually replace the retainers with care whilst the original screen is in situ as long as the goo used hasn't sealed it to the screen itself. But you need patience and a lot of care to do it without damage. The upper retainers are unfortunately no longer available from VX....
When refitting the retainers, I have used a few blobs of black Adiseal to keep it in situ. It's a bit more flexible than Sikaflex which I like but sticks like the proverbial...
That is categorically untrue.
If the screen is correctly positioned in the body, it is impossible to remove the corner clips without deforming or breaking them.
Once this happens, even new frames and trims won't fit properly... if only because the frame and trims MUST BE FITTED TO THE SCREEN BEFORE FITTING to the car as the trim sets the screen position.
I learnt this the hard way fifteen years ago. BWTFDIK :-X
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Did the old screen trim on the red 3.2, although 'manky', sit ok? If so, it's obviously the replacement aftermarket goalpost trim that isn't of the correct profile to sit flush. From experience, the channel in the plastic retainer is likely to have collected a fair degree of silt over the years which needs cleaning out. I would then fully clean the 'goalpost' trim, but I have found it is a lot easier to fit it snugly by applying a thin smear of red rubber grease on the tongue. This prevents any damage to it when guiding the tongue into the retainer, and helps it into place.
If the trim didn't fit snugly before, then you only real alternative is a new trim from VX - they are available in Germany although Autovaux seem to be able to supply and deliver the genuine article cheaper than VX.
You can actually replace the retainers with care whilst the original screen is in situ as long as the goo used hasn't sealed it to the screen itself. But you need patience and a lot of care to do it without damage. The upper retainers are unfortunately no longer available from VX....
When refitting the retainers, I have used a few blobs of black Adiseal to keep it in situ. It's a bit more flexible than Sikaflex which I like but sticks like the proverbial...
That is categorically untrue.
I learnt this the hard way fifteen years ago. BWTFDIK :-X
Obviously not how to get the retainers off a screen in situ :D
You can do it without damage because I have done it. Like I said, it takes a degree of patience and care, but is doable, as long as the goo has not bonded the retainer to the screen.
I do you recollect you categorically saying earlier in the year, when I asked a question about the lower retainer being partially loose, that it could not be removed with the screen in situ without damaging it, but as I have said (a few times now) with care, I removed it, cleaned and replaced it, and it is still on the car today snugly holding the lower moulding against the scuttle and screen.
Should I say BWTFDIK? No, I wouldn't. But what I have outlined, to possibly help others, is from actually having done it....
If the mouldings are not deformed or damaged, and the retainers are not damaged, there is no need to use sealant to hold the mouldings in place in the top corners.
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Actually from trying to undo what the previous owner/fitter had screwed up and the subsequent ball ache of getting it right afterwards.
RTV is not how you fit frames and trim to a poorly fitted screen and reusing frames that have previously been broken/distorted and filled with rtv is not how you expect the trim to fit either the frame or the car.
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Depends whether you use a 100% RTV or what is known as an Extended Sealant. In other words, a quality sealant adhesive, or a cheaper silicone that is mixed with certain oils, therefore reducing its adhesive, shrinkage, and weathering properties.
I have only used the red high temp RTV on exhaust joints, instead of crap exhaust cement.
The adhesive / sealant I have used on any retainer was used very sparingly, and only sufficiently to hold it onto the screen where it had partially lost its hold. Whether it is classed as RTV, I dont know, but there was no mention of RTV on the tube. But it is a top quality product and ideal for the use I required it for.
I have never mentioned a 'poorly' fitted screen, or refitting broken retainers, and certainly not 'filling' the retainer. The retainers I have refitted were always intact, but possibly not quite as tight fit onto the edge of the screen as when new, hence the sparing use of Adiseal - a bit pointless refitting retainers if they were broken or damaged ::)
When we get old in life, we may need the help of a walking stick; the same as 20 + year old retainers that may little help to stay in place if needed. I can't actually see the problem to be honest....
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I used the description 'rtv' as a generic flexible sealant/adhesive. ::)
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A bit like saying all engine oils are the same..... :y
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Devon and Cornwall could have used bath sealant on it for all that anyone knows ::)
Knowing Mutha and his cars, doing it right matters. That notwithstanding I stand by my opinion.
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Which you are entitled to....
An opinion is......just an opinion.
Which doesn't mean viable alternatives to effect a repair shouldn't be carried out. On many older cars, alternative methods of repair are often done without compromising safety or the quality of the actual repair.
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Thanks to all of you...for the advice, certainly food for thought.The screen in question is probably not the original being an ex cop car,but I've had the car for sixteen years and the screen hasn't been changed in my ownership,and the exterior trim was sun damaged, frayed on the edges and sticky to the touch,hence the welcom freebie. I'm now sort of regretting not thinking this one through.....Autoglass man said ''simple job''and it was certainly easy removing the old one.....jar of worms come to mind at the moment....with the limited options ::)
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A new genuine VX goalpost moulding was around £59 from Autovaux delivered, whereas the best price I managed to get from Vauxhall when I got my last one was around £67 - and I had to pick it up. It is in a big cardboard package to keep it straight and it won't easily go into the average saloon car.
One of the reasons the upper moulding doesn't sit right is that te profile of cheaper aftermarket screen isn't perfect. If they sit right at the bottom they protrude at the top and vice versa. I only know this from a replacement screen I had a few years ago. Also the correct amount of bonding adhesive needs to applied so that the screen sits at its correct depth in the aperture relative to the bodywork. Again, from experience of a cheap screen replacement / fitter.
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Makes me wonder wether the scrap moulding was fitted correctly in the first place,although the groove was pretty free of dirt etc ,and didn't put up much of a fight when taking it off. :-\
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That's why the fit of the corners is so important... The moment any air gets under the trim in the corners, it simply slides straight out of the sides.
Will the old trim refit for the time being? It's only cosmetic so no matter if it won't ;)
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Unfortunately, it was toast and got binned,no worries think I might be able find the odd car to use in the meantime. ;)
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Indeed :y
Some judicious use of black insulation tape will keep the channels covered up for the time being ;)
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May well set a trend :y
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My local breakers has about 4 Omegas in at the moment. I would have thought the goalpost trim was one of the last things to go and would probably get crushed eventually with the rest of the car. Due to their size postage is the obvious issue, but would it not be worth a check on any of your local breakers? As long as the trim isn't cracking at the corners and is sitting nicely on the donor car surely it has to be worth a punt? Can't see them asking a fortune for a rubber part.
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There is a lockdown ::)
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I bought a new outer goalpost rubber for my 3.2 only to find out that you can’t just replace it. You have to take out the screen and place new rubber in situ and then refit all in one. I found this out just last week and it wasn’t a cheap job,but it looks amazing now
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I'm surprised at that to be honest. As long as the old goalpost trim is in good nick, the tongue is not distorted, and retainer groove is intact and completely clean and clear of any contamination /dirt whatsoever, a thin smear of lubricant (I used red rubber grease) assists the moulding tongue into place. I found it easier to position the top corner of the moulding relative to the top corner of the retainer, holding it with masking tape to keep it square, also noting the the lower end was correct relative to the retainer, before starting at the bottom and gradually thumbing it into the retainer all round. If you are not happy with its positioning after starting, it is easy to adjust slightly due to the lubricant on the tongue.
I removed and replaced the goalpost trim with a good used one a few years ago on a saloon, and it remained snugly in place with no gaps at the top.
It is important however that the screen and retainer are positioned correctly in the aperture to start with, especially if the screen has been replaced, and that the moulding is not perished / cracked or distorted to give it a chance of sitting properly.