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Title: Border closed
Post by: Varche on 22 December 2020, 13:19:22
What has changed to allow the border between UK and Europe mainland to be able to re open?

Why hasn’t the UK scored a coup by gifting any stranded lorry/van driver a “ Red Cross xmas parcel”? Cost would be minimal but goodwill would be immense.

Do they provide mobile toilets for all those lorries “ parked”

The cynic in me thinks this is being stage managed as part of the Brexit negotiations. A snapshot of chaos to soften up the “ Red Wall” ( includes the ERG that will vote against  a watered down deal )
Title: Re: Border closed
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 22 December 2020, 13:44:18
You may very well be right. :y
Yesterday in Norn Irn, Sinn Fein were arguing very strongly to ban travel between N.I. and G.B as a matter of public health which should be above all partisan politics.
Then someone from the DUP suggested that if that was the case they should also agree to shut the Irish border for the same reasons.
Sinn Fein blew their tops at the very thought of it, and then watered down their previous demands.
Point being, Politicians are generally so lacking in morals, that they have no problem using the Pandemic, which is costing untold loss of life, to try and further their own agenda.
They make me sick.
Title: Re: Border closed
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 22 December 2020, 14:31:55
What has changed to allow the border between UK and Europe mainland to be able to re open?

Why hasn’t the UK scored a coup by gifting any stranded lorry/van driver a “ Red Cross xmas parcel”? Cost would be minimal but goodwill would be immense.

Do they provide mobile toilets for all those lorries “ parked”

The cynic in me thinks this is being stage managed as part of the Brexit negotiations. A snapshot of chaos to soften up the “ Red Wall” ( includes the ERG that will vote against  a watered down deal )

Oh yes, this is politics playing a game. Well, it's worked with me as I now would say let's agree with the French on the fishery business - give them half the "English" Channel if necessary - and let us all move on with a good Post Brexit deal.  British fishermen may get furious about this, but let's face it that part of our business with the EU represents a tiny percentage of the entire huge business we do with them in both directions.  Why put up with any action resulting in a no deal when so much more is at stake.

The queues of lorries down here just show how bad it could get come 1st Jan. :o :o
Title: Re: Border closed
Post by: STEMO on 22 December 2020, 14:46:27
No. Don't give an inch, let them eat cake.
Title: Re: Border closed
Post by: Nick W on 22 December 2020, 14:53:30
No. Don't give an inch, let them eat cake.


Well, they are really good at cake....
Title: Re: Border closed
Post by: ronnyd on 22 December 2020, 15:23:54
Some truckers are complaining that all they have been offered is a cereal bar during their wait. I thought these guys had a small kitchen in their rigs. ???
Title: Re: Border closed
Post by: STEMO on 22 December 2020, 16:00:26
Some truckers are complaining that all they have been offered is a cereal bar during their wait. I thought these guys had a small kitchen in their rigs. ???
They're usually little skinny chaps as well, they might just waste away.  ;D
Title: Re: Border closed
Post by: amba on 22 December 2020, 16:10:42
Those that I see parked up on every available part of the path/grass/slip roads etc in Kent seem to have a mobile kitchen on board and they all congregate around a central buffet area in their flip flops and shorts .

I say shut the incoming boarded and let them all pile up in Calais that would soon get the French moving a bit smartish   
Title: Re: Border closed
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 22 December 2020, 16:14:36
Those that I see parked up on every available part of the path/grass/slip roads etc in Kent seem to have a mobile kitchen on board and they all congregate around a central buffet area in their flip flops and shorts .

I say shut the incoming boarded and let them all pile up in Calais that would soon get the French moving a bit smartish

Oh no we can't do without our winter salads from Spain farmed by Africans working in slave labour conditions!  :o

Whatever next?  ;D
Title: Re: Border closed
Post by: amba on 22 December 2020, 16:26:46
Dig for England  :y..
Title: Re: Border closed
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 22 December 2020, 16:28:01
You may very well be right. :y
Yesterday in Norn Irn, Sinn Fein were arguing very strongly to ban travel between N.I. and G.B as a matter of public health which should be above all partisan politics.
Then someone from the DUP suggested that if that was the case they should also agree to shut the Irish border for the same reasons.
Sinn Fein blew their tops at the very thought of it, and then watered down their previous demands.

Point being, Politicians are generally so lacking in morals, that they have no problem using the Pandemic, which is costing untold loss of life, to try and further their own agenda.
They make me sick.

I don't know if they're still doing it but at the start of the pandemic the Irish police had checkpoints on the NI/RoI border.  ::)
Title: Re: Border closed
Post by: dave the builder on 22 December 2020, 16:30:18
No. Don't give an inch, let them eat cake.
Snails ,garlic ,horses and frogs surely  :-\
Title: Re: Border closed
Post by: TheBoy on 22 December 2020, 16:42:05
The French have done exactly what I would have expected them to do, and what I hope we would do if the tides were turned.  Not that Boris has any balls, and would just, you use his own words, bluster.

But don't let reality get in the way of a good conspiracy.
Title: Re: Border closed
Post by: Nick W on 22 December 2020, 17:17:36
The French have done exactly what I would have expected them to do, and what I hope we would do if the tides were turned.  Not that Boris has any balls, and would just, you use his own words, bluster.

But don't let reality get in the way of a good conspiracy.


Why not? Repeating conspiracies is one of the best ways of figuring out who is too stupid to be allowed out internet access without supervision
Title: Re: Border closed
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 22 December 2020, 17:43:51
The French have done exactly what I would have expected them to do, and what I hope we would do if the tides were turned.  Not that Boris has any balls, and would just, you use his own words, bluster.

But don't let reality get in the way of a good conspiracy.

Like we should have done but didnt in Feb / March this year you mean ?  ::)
Title: Re: Border closed
Post by: redelitev6 on 22 December 2020, 18:25:45
Sadly it goes to show that being an island does have it's disadvantages , pull up the drawbridge and were snookered
Title: Re: Border closed
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 22 December 2020, 18:33:49
Sadly it goes to show that being an island does have it's disadvantages , pull up the drawbridge and were snookered

But at least it does stop massed armies marching in ;D ;D
Title: Re: Border closed
Post by: B52 on 22 December 2020, 18:34:36
What has changed to allow the border between UK and Europe mainland to be able to re open?

Why hasn’t the UK scored a coup by gifting any stranded lorry/van driver a “ Red Cross xmas parcel”? Cost would be minimal but goodwill would be immense.

Do they provide mobile toilets for all those lorries “ parked”

The cynic in me thinks this is being stage managed as part of the Brexit negotiations. A snapshot of chaos to soften up the “ Red Wall” ( includes the ERG that will vote against  a watered down deal )

Possible, but would require some skill in planning and execution. Which has been largely absent for at least the last 4 years.
Title: Re: Border closed
Post by: redelitev6 on 22 December 2020, 19:19:37
Sadly it goes to show that being an island does have it's disadvantages , pull up the drawbridge and were snookered

But at least it does stop massed armies marching in ;D ;D
They don't need to march in , they just get the boat over from France  :(
Title: Re: Border closed
Post by: Nick W on 22 December 2020, 19:29:43
Sadly it goes to show that being an island does have it's disadvantages , pull up the drawbridge and were snookered

But at least it does stop massed armies marching in ;D ;D


That rarely worked well for besieged castles.
It doesn't take long for you to eat Tiddles and catch the rats yourself.....
Title: Re: Border closed
Post by: dave the builder on 22 December 2020, 19:33:17
.....
It doesn't take long for you to eat Tiddles and catch the rats yourself.....

Blimey Nick  :o

haven't you got a tesco's  ;D
Title: Re: Border closed
Post by: biggriffin on 22 December 2020, 19:44:31
I will try ..
 There's approximately 2000 trucks parked, at Manston Airfield, no Amenities, Couple Hundred on M20, no amenities,https://www.kentonline.co.uk/gravesend/news/hundreds-of-curries-delivered-roadside-to-stranded-truckers-239717/ (https://www.kentonline.co.uk/gravesend/news/hundreds-of-curries-delivered-roadside-to-stranded-truckers-239717/)
 Most European drivers carry enough food for a couple of weeks,and restock as and when,  Some have microwaves, or it's just a gas burner,  you are technically self sufficient, all you need is fresh water and Toilet/washing facilities,  Longest I've been stranded was 3 days in snow,   If there's no Toilet you go were you can, no2 under Trailer, No1 wherever..

 Kent Councils, and Government have had years to plan for these incidents which happen in Kent on a regular basis, Manston was trailed 2 years ago, due to the amount of times the French kept misbehaving and stopping channel crossing,  Kent planning opposed the Manston Airfield, and the new Park currently being built is allegedly on a flood plane,and they tried to oppose that, Government overuled them..
Title: Re: Border closed
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 22 December 2020, 19:51:57
In the past when there were long term operation Stacks on the M20 toilets were placed along the hard shoulder every half mile.

Why not this time, with Post Brexit coming up anyway, when they installed the moveable barriers? ??? ??? ::)
Title: Re: Border closed
Post by: Nick W on 22 December 2020, 20:39:36
With the delivery of curries to delayed drivers, we get to the oven ready part of Boris's Brexit 'deal.'
Finally :y
Title: Re: Border closed
Post by: STEMO on 22 December 2020, 20:42:55
I'm sitting in my truck, miles away from the nearest bog, busting for a shite, and someone brings me a curry.  ;D
Title: Re: Border closed
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 22 December 2020, 22:31:55
Every little helps... ;D
Title: Re: Border closed
Post by: biggriffin on 23 December 2020, 09:40:11
In the past when there were long term operation Stacks on the M20 toilets were placed along the hard shoulder every half mile.

Why not this time, with Post Brexit coming up anyway, when they installed the moveable barriers? ??? ??? ::)


 Toilets ;D  I'd rather go under the trailer, than use a thunderbox that 20+ others have used before me, that don't get emptied, or cleaned whatsoever..
Title: Re: Border closed
Post by: biggriffin on 23 December 2020, 09:41:53
I'm sitting in my truck, miles away from the nearest bog, busting for a shite, and someone brings me a curry.  ;D


 Under the trailer for dump,.
Title: Re: Border closed
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 23 December 2020, 10:53:01
In the past when there were long term operation Stacks on the M20 toilets were placed along the hard shoulder every half mile.

Why not this time, with Post Brexit coming up anyway, when they installed the moveable barriers? ??? ??? ::)


 Toilets ;D I'd rather go under the trailer, than use a thunderbox that 20+ others have used before me, that don't get emptied, or cleaned whatsoever..


I am not surprised with your answer as I have often wondered what hell they represented to the commercial vehicle driver community ::) ::) ;D ;D :y
Title: Re: Border closed
Post by: TheBoy on 23 December 2020, 11:22:57
The French have done exactly what I would have expected them to do, and what I hope we would do if the tides were turned.  Not that Boris has any balls, and would just, you use his own words, bluster.

But don't let reality get in the way of a good conspiracy.

Like we should have done but didnt in Feb / March this year you mean ?  ::)
You are dithering just like Uncle Boris. Mid/Late January was the time.