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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: STEMO on 24 December 2020, 08:36:16
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....would Ursula von der Leyden have held a press conference and said "Goodbye, and thanks for all the fish" ;D ;D
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But we would receive a nice bowl, which would upset the no-deal crowd....
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....would Ursula von der Leyden have held a press conference and said "Goodbye, and thanks for all the fish" ;D ;D
;D ;D
Maybe the forum needs a fish emoji.? Whatever is agreed or not agreed won’t sit well with some.
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I predict that Boris has bottled it, although not as badly as May did. He will of course try and spin it as the greatest victory since VE day. ::)
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I hope we got something like Brexit. I never thought we could break completely and I don't really see what the advantages of that would be. I'm hearing that the ECJ will not be ruling on disputes, that was essential to a Brexit. Let's wait and see although, as Varche says, you can't please everyone.
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The advantage would be returning to being a Sovereign, democratic, self governing nation state.
That was what we voted for.
Economic matters have been used as a smokescreen to try and erase those more important issues from the discussion.
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Why such a big deal about the fishing , it makes up less than 0.2% of the economy , I guess French fishermen have Macron over a barrel ?
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Its very important, not for economic reasons, but the fact that if an island nation doesnt have control over its own waters it could be argued it isnt really a nation at all.
Also, Heath heartlessly sacrificed the UK fishing industry in the 70,s and impoverished the communities which had been built around it for centuries around the coast.
They have hung on by their fingernails for 50 years, and deserve to have back what should never have been taken from them in the first place.
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I'm too pissed to care , Merry Christmas 🎄🎄🎄🎄
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Leavers will say it doesn't go far enough, remainers it goes too far. It was always going to be that way. The fact that there's been no announcement yet shows that both sides are looking for something that they can present as a victory.
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Mind you...the longer that it goes on makes the possibility of a dummy spitting more likely.
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Remainers lost. Fack em. ;)
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Leavers lost. Fack em. ;)
No Paddy, remainers lost ;D
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I think youve drunk more Scotch than Rangie. ::) ;D
Ive been up since 6 with not much sleep. Leave me alone. :P
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Remainers lost. Fack em. ;)
Too late, you were quoted ;D ;D ;D
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I think youve drunk more Scotch than Rangie. ::) ;D
Ive been up since 6 with not much sleep. Leave me alone. :P
:P :P :P :P
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Everyone knows you change peoples posts to misquote them. :P
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Everyone knows you change peoples posts to misquote them. :P
Sometimes, but it's you, no need to change them ;D ;D
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Far cough. :P
And may you have a shit Christmas. ;D
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Far cough. :P
And may you have a shit Christmas. ;D
Christmas? They kept that quiet :o
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Far cough. :P
And may you have a shit Christmas. ;D
Christmas? They kept that quiet :o
It's a one day only deal, and then only if you're a celebrity business person... Or civil servant :-X
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Well.....we certainly gave the EU a good kicking.
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Not sure what we've even in to? Probably too much. But Boris knew there were serious consequences to not having a deal with our biggest train partner.
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Oi, remoaner, clear off. Your not allowed to comment on this. :P
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Oi, remoaner, clear off. Your not allowed to comment on this. :P
Which remainer? Fatty admin or Greek God Opti?
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Deal Done!
“The deal is the biggest bilateral trade deal signed by either side, covering trade worth £668bn in 2019. The deal also guarantees that we are no longer in the lunar pull of the EU, we are not bound by EU rules, there is no role for the European Court of Justice and all of our key red lines about returning sovereignty have been achieved.”
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Oi, remoaner, clear off. Your not allowed to comment on this. :P
Which remainer? Fatty admin or Greek God Opti?
Yeah, you an all. :P
Something for you to think about. If we were still members, not one person in the UK would have had the vaccine yet.
Whereas I believe approx. 700,00 people have had it, and counting because we were able to make our own decision.
Meanwhile, they are still arguing amongst themselves about it and not one of their 500 million citizens have been able to get it.
Have faith. We will do ok. ;)
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Oi, remoaner, clear off. Your not allowed to comment on this. :P
Which remainer? Fatty admin or Greek God Opti?
Yeah, you an all. :P
Something for you to think about. If we were still members, not one person in the UK would have had the vaccine yet.
Whereas I believe approx. 700,00 people have had it, and counting because we were able to make our own decision.
Meanwhile, they are still arguing amongst themselves about it and not one of their 500 million citizens have been able to get it.
Have faith. We will do ok. ;)
I agree.We are Great Britain.
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absolutely agree
balls to the fish stealers ;D
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It will be a messy compromise rather than a cake and eat it deal.......but the people voted and we are where we are.
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Its being presented as a UK victory for the most part, and the EU are putting a brave spin on it to disguise the fact they caved in.
We shall see, when the two thousand pages of the treaty have been picked over by the lawyers and political experts.
Having said that, Boris already caved in on Norn Irn after promising he wouldnt, so they beat him there before the serious talking even got underway.
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Something for you to think about. If we were still members, not one person in the UK would have had the vaccine yet.
Whereas I believe approx. 700,00 people have had it, and counting because we were able to make our own decision.
Meanwhile, they are still arguing amongst themselves about it and not one of their 500 million citizens have been able to get it.
Untrue. Health care in the individual EU nations is controlled by those nations, not the EU. Any of them could have decided to use the vaccines at any stage with or without EU approval.
Yes they decided to wait until the EU Health Agency ruled the vaccines were safe and effective, but there is nothing in EU laws that said they had to.
Bendy Bananas anyone?
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Pointless starting spiteful recriminations already, we are where we are, and I think we'll be fine. Perhaps after a rocky first year or so.
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Pointless starting spiteful recriminations already, we are where we are, and I think we'll be fine. Perhaps after a rocky first year or so.
Can't be any more oppsed up than this year ::) :-X
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Pointless starting spiteful recriminations already, we are where we are, and I think we'll be fine. Perhaps after a rocky first year or so.
It amazed me how Sir Keir Starmer could tell a press conference that the deal was not a good one for British workers, or something like that, but he would support it as it was a better deal than no deal.....................but how the f can he say that when like everyone else he could not have read the 2,000 pages yet?! ::) ::) ::)
Note also how the Government critics will all be saying it is a bad deal.........could they have done any better against 27 other countries?! ::) ::) ;)
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Pointless starting spiteful recriminations already, we are where we are, and I think we'll be fine. Perhaps after a rocky first year or so.
It amazed me how Sir Keir Starmer could tell a press conference that the deal was not a good one for British workers, or something like that, but he would support it as it was a better deal than no deal.....................but how the f can he say that when like everyone else he could not have read the 2,000 pages yet?! ::) ::) ::)
Note also how the Government critics will all be saying it is a bad deal.........could they have done any better against 27 other countries?! ::) ::) ;)
As long as Boris sells it to his own party, it doesn't matter a jot what any other party thinks. So Starmer has to moan about the deal while not upsetting the leavers up north who voted conservative for that very reason. He keeps saying he'll do this and that, but he won't be doing anything till 2024. Ignore him, he might go away.
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So you don't think those are the same 2000 pages that May couldn't get her party to agree to, stuck in a shiny new folder to convince Boris he's the world-class negotiator he always thought he was?
Starmer should let the Labour MPs vote without a whip
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So you don't think those are the same 2000 pages that May couldn't get her party to agree to, stuck in a shiny new folder to convince Boris he's the world-class negotiator he always thought he was?
Starmer should let the Labour MPs vote without a whip
No, I don't. May was a disgrace.
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Those who wanted out will say it's a good deal
Those who wanted to stay will say it's a bad deal
The left wing media will twist everything to slate Boris simply to have something to print/say
Theresa May supporters will say its her deal re-written
Corbyn's supporters will say that if it hadn't been for him we would have caved in weeks ago
Sturgeon will say it never should have happened
The tin-foil conspiracy theorists will say it was all stitched up months ago
Trump supporters will say he achieved the whole thing in the background
Why let the truth (whatever that is) get in the way of a good "soundbite"
regardless of all that hype .. the world will continue to revolve ... life will go on ... and 90% of us will not notice any difference :)
Edited for smelling pistakes !!
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Those who wanted out will say it's a good deal
Those who wanted to stay will say it's a bad deal
The left wing media will twist everything to slate Boris simply to have something to print/say
Theresa May supporters will say its her deal re-written
Corbyn's supporters will say that if it hadn't been for him we would have caved in weeks ago
Sturgeon will say it never should have happened
The tin-foil conspiracy theorists will say it was all stitched up months ago
Trump supporters will say he achieved the whole thing in the background
Why let the truth (whatever that is) get in the way of a good "soundbite"
regardless of all that hype .. the world will continue to revolve ... life will go on ... and 90% of us will not notice any difference :)
Edited for smelling pistakes !!
Yep....at roughly 1000 MPH as it hurtles through space at 67,000 MPH. In the great scheme of things 'Brexit and it's consequences' are small beer.
Besides, everyone knows the answer to life, death, and the universe(s) is 42.
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Two HHGTTG quotes in one thread, one on topic, one not. :P
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Two HHGTTG quotes in one thread, one on topic, one not. :P
Oh....God....I'm so depressed.Don't talk to me about being depressed. ;D
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The only perfect Brexit would have been a WTO one. And the Eu take would have been for us to stay in...
So, by default this, or any deal for that matter, is a compromise.
That said, as compromises go, it is a pretty good deal for us as we still get our veg and cars etc but lose any further interference from the ECJ... That alone is worth a few fish that we don't currently have the facility to catch.
So, back to lunch :D
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Two HHGTTG quotes in one thread, one on topic, one not. :P
Oh....God....I'm so depressed.Don't talk to me about being depressed. ;D
You should probably talk to someone...
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Two HHGTTG quotes in one thread, one on topic, one not. :P
Oh....God....I'm so depressed.Don't talk to me about being depressed. ;D
You should probably talk to someone...
I spoke to Marvin but it just made me more depressed. :)
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;D ;D
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Two HHGTTG quotes in one thread, one on topic, one not. :P
Oh....God....I'm so depressed.Don't talk to me about being depressed. ;D
You should probably talk to someone...
I spoke to Marvin but it just made me more depressed. :)
Should have tried a door, they were far more open :)
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The only perfect Brexit would have been a WTO one. And the Eu take would have been for us to stay in...
So, by default this, or any deal for that matter, is a compromise.
That said, as compromises go, it is a pretty good deal for us as we still get our veg and cars etc but lose any further interference from the ECJ... That alone is worth a few fish that we don't currently have the facility to catch.
So, back to lunch :D
I think Boris has pushed hard for this compromise, because even he knew a WHO outcome would have been crippling for the UK, essentially wiping out the remaining manufacturing industry - which would leave generations of povety for those communities impacted - check for South Wales or the NE for industries that essentially collapsed in the 80s. Or Sheffield that has had an unaffordable fortune spent on regeneration, yet just getting back on its feet after nearly 40 years. Plus the "service industry" - over 70% of our GDP - would have taken a significant double hit, including loss of the biggest market, plus a huge shrinking of its domestic market.
So whilst the thought of being patriotic appeals, reality means compromises are necessary. We voted to leave, we left (ish), democracy achieved. As to who "won" in the negotiations, we'll have to wait for the text. It also depends on your own circumstance, for eg, fishermen who voted leave will felt they were deceived. But its fair to say the UK needed the free trade deal more than the EU did, and anyone who thinks remotely otherwise needs to unbury their heads. So that tells me who probably got the best deal, with Boris singing the (minor) concessions as massive battle victories.
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Jaime, please don’t keep us on tenterhooks any more, put us out of our suspense and tell us which way you voted. ???
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Jaime, please don’t keep us on tenterhooks any more, put us out of our suspense and tell us which way you voted. ???
I'm not sure that he did... (not that it's any of our business which how anyone votes. Or why) ;)
All I will say, if someone doesn't vote, they lose their right to complain about the outcome. And the outcome isn't what they voted for, then at least vote next time, or if it really annoys you, do something about it. ;)
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Newly released papers from Dublin, under the 30 year rule, show how spot on Thatcher was about the direction of travel of Europe and how disturbing she found it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55454106