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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: STEMO on 04 January 2021, 17:21:19
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When will it begin? Tonight, as in Scotland, or later, so we get time to clear the supermarkets of bog roll?
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;D
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Who knows... the only thing for certain is a whole bunch of idiots will ignore whatever "rules" are inplace 'cos they think they know better ... lacking the common sense to know they are actively spreading it.
Lock down will make absolutely no difference to C and I .. we don't go out, we don't mix, we keep ourselves to ourselves.. the dog is walked across open fields where we seen no one else at all, and because of that 2 KOS have stayed lonely but healthy .. so far.. and hopefuly will continue to do so.
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Who knows... the only thing for certain is a whole bunch of idiots will ignore whatever "rules" are inplace 'cos they think they know better ... lacking the common sense to know they are actively spreading it.
Lock down will make absolutely no difference to C and I .. we don't go out, we don't mix, we keep ourselves to ourselves.. the dog is walked across open fields where we seen no one else at all, and because of that 2 KOS have stayed lonely but healthy .. so far.. and hopefuly will continue to do so.
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Snap.
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When will it begin? Tonight, as in Scotland, or later, so we get time to clear the supermarkets of bog roll?
Work it out for yourself using the government's own procedure.
You will need:
a sack
some paper
a crayon
scissors
your mummy
The procedure:
get your mummy to cut the paper into strips using the scissors.
write random words and numbers on the strips with the crayon - you must include some numbers
give the crayon to mummy so you can't accidentally eat it.
fold the strips in half, and put them in the sack
shake the sack
reach into the sack and remove all the strips in groups of three
Congratulations, you now have the latest Covid official policy
Just to make yourself look even more incompetent, don't let the spokesman stuck with announcing the policy on live telly read the policy before hand.
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Same story in our house. Its a pain but no use whining, just suck it up and get on with it. Thousands of families have lost loved ones in the last 9 months, so a bit of isolation isnt a big deal in the grand scheme of things.
I still go to work, where there are very few people, but apart from that swmbo and I have a walk across the fields for some fresh air and excercise.
All shopping now online and delivered by Sainsburys. Then disinfected while unpacking.
Some day a kind of normality will return, but until then........
I imagine the new policy will be lockdown, but wont be called lockdown.
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One of our single friends works in an store bakery in a village shop. Keeps her self to herself for fear of catching covid. Today diagnosed with Chicken pox!
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Well......Boris can say what he likes at 8 o'clock, I'll be watching Liverpool v Southampton.
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The so called tier 5 seems to be lockdown by another name,but whatever they should stop pussy footing about and go lockdown as of tonight.Football should be banned.............forever.
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Feel sorry for my lad. He went back to uni yesterday, two weeks early, so he could get some serious work done before his girlfriend and mates came back. When I dropped him off, the place was dark, it was pissing down with rain and hardly anyone about. Felt like I was leaving him in prison. No one will be coming back until at least the end of February now, so he stays there with the one mate who stayed over Christmas (basically because the poor lad had nowhere to go, hard to believe that and I get a bit upset about it), or he comes back home and spends his time in his room here. Shit choice.
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I chose Boris over Liverpool, which is just as well judging by the score. :-X
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Just what I expected, but the idiots will still keep spreading it too many get outs , it can't be enforced the numbers will still be going up . We've got used to our daily routine now not the retirement I'd envisaged but beats the alternative, stay safe oofers.
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Feel sorry for my lad. He went back to uni yesterday, two weeks early, so he could get some serious work done before his girlfriend and mates came back. When I dropped him off, the place was dark, it was pissing down with rain and hardly anyone about. Felt like I was leaving him in prison. No one will be coming back until at least the end of February now, so he stays there with the one mate who stayed over Christmas (basically because the poor lad had nowhere to go, hard to believe that and I get a bit upset about it), or he comes back home and spends his time in his room here. Shit choice.
Has he got enough pot noodles to last till March ;D
the idiots will still keep spreading it too many get outs , it can't be enforced the numbers will still be going up ........
Completely agree :y
after the first lockdown ended ,most people just carry on as if it won't effect them .idiots >:(
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My local hospital today.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-55531589
TB is right. Theres no realistic alternative Im afraid. Its gone too far. ::)
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Been to the vets to have the dogs dressing changed. I can honestly say that there seems to be no difference at all since last nights announcement. The roads are just as busy, Asda car park is rammed and the car park at Newmillerdam was full when I passed. It didn't look any different at all to normal.
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Same here. Roads were busy as ever on the way home from work this morning.
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A bit quieter round here today, but haven't been very far, got to attend a funeral in South London tomorrow ( wife's cousin) got to go as she is next of kin + she has inherited his two properties ,so a few bits to sort out.
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Big numbers today. 60916 new cases and 830 deaths.
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Big numbers today. 60916 new cases and 830 deaths.
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That's got to be the worst so far.
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A bit quieter round here today, but haven't been very far, got to attend a funeral in South London tomorrow ( wife's cousin) got to go as she is next of kin + she has inherited his two properties ,so a few bits to sort out.
If we'd had a normal year, I would have been in France for my aunts funeral. As things are, that's going to be a very small and quiet affair.
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Apparently its the worst daily figure for cases, although doesnt quite match the highest number for deaths.
Someone needs to pull out all the stops on the vaccine programme.
Army / Navy / Airforce medics at arenas / sports stadiums possibly ? Commandeer fridge lorries ? Whatever it takes I should think.
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If only we had a "world beating test and trace system " that might help >:(
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If only we had a "world beating test and trace system " that might help >:(
No need to test and trace, everyone has got it.
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If only we had a "world beating test and trace system " that might help >:(
No need to test and trace, everyone has got it.
Apparently its the worst daily figure for cases, although doesnt quite match the highest number for deaths.
Someone needs to pull out all the stops on the vaccine programme.
Army / Navy / Airforce medics at arenas / sports stadiums possibly ? Commandeer fridge lorries ? Whatever it takes I should think.
In France at COP last night France vaccinated a grand total of 500 lucky souls. The 45 page consent form might be factor.
I agree it is a massive logistical problem. Britain used to be good at that sort of thing.
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How stupid are the rules in Scotland? No limit on the time you can spend outdoors for exercise. A 6 hour two mile walk around the district could be considered exercise for some, just wear your trackie and you're ok.
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just watching the news now with pictures of empty streets around the towns !
these must be a joke or something!! .here in west yorkshire everything just as busy as ever. traffic home from work tonight just as busy and nothing seems any different. !
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just watching the news now with pictures of empty streets around the towns !
these must be a joke or something!! .here in west yorkshire everything just as busy as ever. traffic home from work tonight just as busy and nothing seems any different. !
Town won't be busy, most of the shops are closed, but everywhere else is. My missus is crawling up the M1 at the moment.
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Wouldn't she be safer in a car or something? ;D
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Wouldn't she be safer in a car or something? ;D
Eff off, you ;D
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Wouldn't she be safer in a car or something? ;D
Safer.
But probably slower.
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Wouldn't she be safer in a car or something? ;D
Ha ha, that’s really funny :y :y :y :y :y
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Big numbers today. 60916 new cases and 830 deaths.
62322 cases and 1041 deaths today.
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Big numbers today. 60916 new cases and 830 deaths.
62322 cases and 1041 deaths today.
yep
I see that increasing in the next week or so :(
and whilst the vaccine offers some hope ,it's not the single, fix everything solution everyone seems to think
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Its still going to get worse before it gets better. :(
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just watching the news now with pictures of empty streets around the towns !
these must be a joke or something!! .here in west yorkshire everything just as busy as ever. traffic home from work tonight just as busy and nothing seems any different. !
I live and work in SE London and the traffic is exactly the same as normal. Had to pop into Woolwich town centre at lunchtime (3 minute walk from work) and it was quieter, but only because Maccy D there is shut I suspect.
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The fat, useless, blond idiot this side of the pond needs to go as well, now that he has served his purpose. He comes on telly, apologising for the severe lockdown and closure of schools, when there is hardly any lockdown at all. Just been reading about the JLR factory in Liverpool. Apparently, it's an essential business, so is staying open. Hundreds of workers under the same roof, making 'essential' goods. Because they are open, the workers say their kids should be allowed to attend school, some schools are accepting this, others not. JLR have told the workers who have problems getting childcare to take unpaid leave, no furlough available.
My wife was telling me last night that she knows of schools in Sheffield where 75% of the kids are in because virtually nothing has actually shut down. Meanwhile, Pike is telling parents who don't get 3-5 hours of online learning to complain to OFSTED.
So.....don't expect this virus to go away any time soon, because there is no lockdown and Johnson is, as usual, trying to pull the wool.
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Just been having a quick tally of my closest neighbours. My wife went off to work at about 6:40, as usual. Next door to the left has also gone, he is an hgv driver. Next one, the lady works in the post office, so she'll be off soon. Then husband and wife, teacher and Co Op supermarket worker, both in.
To the right, retired man, he'll be staying in. A fella who works in a factory making doors, he goes out on his bike to work each day :-\ I don't really know the houses after that, but you get the picture.
There is a small corner shop five doors down and it is as busy as ever with cars pulling up for papers, fags, red bull, whatever. No lockdown here, people have stopped listening.
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there's no enforcement, the media have done their best to show people how to bypass the rules
shopping infrequently as possible is interpreted as go to the shop 5 times a day :(
they tried to make an example of that Scottish MP bint who travelled after a positive test but that got lost with everything else going on ::)
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Well Boris is addressing you this afternoon.
Tier 6 ?
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Well Boris is addressing you this afternoon.
Tier 6 ?
Addressing Me :-\
;D :D
i'll put the phone down on him ,the useless ***** :P
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Lockdown ;D ;D ;D
Fears schools will be overwhelmed by laptopless pupils https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-55565537
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Our school has failed miserably, my lad is getting 6 hours a week of online lessons tops.....and they are shorter.
They have still failed to train the staff how to use Teams well (they did the square root of jack in the first five months), dumped all the kids in an assembly on the first day back after summer, have failed to do anything to police the distancing and one way system.
This school is so man hating left wing type, I am pretty much convinced they are failing to take the 'lets do as much as we can' attitude and adopting a 'bare minimum and score political pints for the union mentality' >:( >:( >:(
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there are thousands of used PC base units recycled ,plenty good enough to run educational software etc
core 2 duo,4 gig of ram ,onboard lan
PC's are far more robust than laptops ,easy to repair etc
plenty of IT professionals who could set them up
importing laptops from China ,who gave us the Virus in the first place >:( seems madness ::)
probably wouldn't go down well with the students though as the older PCs won't run the latest games
which is what will happen if you give them all laptops ;D
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It runs on xBox and Playstation to, there are very few valid reasons for the majority
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there are thousands of used PC base units recycled ,plenty good enough to run educational software etc
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There was a skip full of them here at work the other day ....
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Big numbers today. 60916 new cases and 830 deaths.
62322 cases and 1041 deaths today.
52,618 cases and 1,162 deaths today :(
i notice that the UK are now showing "recovered cases" ,previously it stated N/A stats (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
N/A would be better ,as no one knows if you ever "recover" ::)
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Big numbers today. 60916 new cases and 830 deaths.
62322 cases and 1041 deaths today.
52,618 cases and 1,162 deaths today :(
i notice that the UK are now showing "recovered cases" ,previously it stated N/A stats (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
N/A would be better ,as no one knows if you ever "recover" ::)
So...2.8 million cases, 78,000 deaths and 1.3 million recovered. What happened to the other 1.4 million? ;D
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Hokum. By showing the recovered number it provides a bit of perspective, and confirms a suspicion that they've been deliberately concealing them...
If half the cases are shown to have recovered, it makes the total number less frightening...
Before... 97% active, and 3% dead.
After... 49% active, 48% recovered and 3% dead.
Losing 48% off the headline does at least give some hope.
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It runs on xBox and Playstation to, there are very few valid reasons for the majority
That’s what really grips my chit.
Daughter is a primary teacher of some years and like me, gets really hacked off with some parents-not all - who are virtually demanding a free laptop so cherub can work from home.
Parent(s) have smartphones, iPads etc but cherub not allowed access. Cherub also has a gamebox variant but parent(s) won’t allow its use for school. Free or extended mobile data access available but again, it’s gives a laptop......
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So...2.8 million cases, 78,000 deaths and 1.3 million recovered. What happened to the other 1.4 million? ;D
1,446,090 active cases
1 in 50 people have it apparently
the south Africa strain may dodge the Vaccine
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So...2.8 million cases, 78,000 deaths and 1.3 million recovered. What happened to the other 1.4 million? ;D
1,446,090 active cases
1 in 50 people have it apparently
the south Africa strain may dodge the Vaccine
Ahhhh..... :y
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It runs on xBox and Playstation to, there are very few valid reasons for the majority
That’s what really grips my chit.
Daughter is a primary teacher of some years and like me, gets really hacked off with some parents-not all - who are virtually demanding a free laptop so cherub can work from home.
Parent(s) have smartphones, iPads etc but cherub not allowed access. Cherub also has a gamebox variant but parent(s) won’t allow its use for school. Free or extended mobile data access available but again, it’s gives a laptop......
that "free laptop" we will be paying for and all the other wasted money for years
I hope the laptops have some software to check the little darlings have been doing school work on em :P
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So...2.8 million cases, 78,000 deaths and 1.3 million recovered. What happened to the other 1.4 million? ;D
1,446,090 active cases
1 in 50 people have it apparently
the South Africa strain may dodge the Vaccine
Surely that's racist? :P ;D
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Had a letter from work today. Apparently I am a now an Essential Worker. All I need now is a return to work date ::)
May 1st is looking promising :-X
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This virus could be dangerous for years
Covid: Nurse 'angry' over positive test despite vaccination https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55579028
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This virus could be dangerous for years
Covid: Nurse 'angry' over positive test despite vaccination https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55579028
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Just be as careful as you can regarding the virus, it's a pain in the arse but the alternative is worse, I really think that getting it anywhere near under control is a long way off yet.
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+68,053 confirmed new cases and 1,325 recorded deaths
another record
maybe not everyone followed the lockdown rules at Christmas and new year's eve :P
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+68,053 confirmed new cases and 1,325 recorded deaths
another record
maybe not everyone followed the lockdown rules at Christmas and new year's eve :P
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Figures due to Xmas gatherings will show in around 10 days time according to what was being discussed by medical experts last night.
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+68,053 confirmed new cases and 1,325 recorded deaths
another record
maybe not everyone followed the lockdown rules at Christmas and new year's eve :P
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Figures due to Xmas gatherings will show in around 10 days time according to what was being discussed by medical experts last night.
Figures for this 'lockdown' should be interesting.
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Roads around here have finally gone quiet. Not quite as quiet as first lockdown, but not far off.
Hopefully its a sign that people are taking it seriously at last. ::)
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Roads around here have finally gone quiet. Not quite as quiet as first lockdown, but not far off.
Hopefully its a sign that people are taking it seriously at last. ::)
You must live in a rural area, fickin madness here because all manufacturing is open.
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Roads around here have finally gone quiet. Not quite as quiet as first lockdown, but not far off.
Hopefully its a sign that people are taking it seriously at last. ::)
You must live in a rural area, fickin madness here because all manufacturing is open.
and all non essential shops have swapped to click and collect
even the local church is still doing business ???
not just funerals either ,though they must be making a mint off those alone ££ kerching ££ :D
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Roads around here have finally gone quiet. Not quite as quiet as first lockdown, but not far off.
Hopefully its a sign that people are taking it seriously at last. ::)
You must live in a rural area, fickin madness here because all manufacturing is open.
I do, thankfully. :y
Went for a 1 mile walk across the fields today.......................looking for Tortoise food. ::) :D
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Roads around here have finally gone quiet. Not quite as quiet as first lockdown, but not far off.
Hopefully its a sign that people are taking it seriously at last. ::)
You must live in a rural area, fickin madness here because all manufacturing is open.
I do, thankfully. :y
Went for a 1 mile walk across the fields today.......................looking for Tortoise food. ::) :D
Isn't that non essential travel ;D
solution clicky (https://www.tasteofhome.com/recipes/turtle-soup/) ;)
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Roads around here have finally gone quiet. Not quite as quiet as first lockdown, but not far off.
Hopefully its a sign that people are taking it seriously at last. ::)
You must live in a rural area, fickin madness here because all manufacturing is open.
and all non essential shops have swapped to click and collect
even the local church is still doing business ???
not just funerals either ,though they must be making a mint off those alone ££ kerching ££ :D
I didn't know that Churches offered Click and Collect weddings. funerals and Sunday services. :y
I doubt the Mosques do it though as I think they adhere to their scriptures quite rigidly and I doubt Mohammed offered any instructions on how to go about it. :-\
What about the Jehovahs? :D
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Roads around here have finally gone quiet. Not quite as quiet as first lockdown, but not far off.
Hopefully its a sign that people are taking it seriously at last. ::)
You must live in a rural area, fickin madness here because all manufacturing is open.
I do, thankfully. :y
Went for a 1 mile walk across the fields today.......................looking for Tortoise food. ::) :D
Isn't that non essential travel ;D
solution clicky (https://www.tasteofhome.com/recipes/turtle-soup/) ;)
No its socially distanced exercise, you horrible horrible man. >:( :'( :P ;D
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What about the Jehovahs? :D
:o
you can get stoned for saying that (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYkbqzWVHZI) :-X
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What about the Jehovahs? :D
:o
you can get stoned for saying that (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYkbqzWVHZI) :-X
It'd take a while these days though to click and collect your stones. :P
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What about the Jehovahs? :D
:o
you can get stoned for saying that (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYkbqzWVHZI) :-X
It'd take a while these days though to click and collect your stones. :P
not really ....
We've Got Lumps of it Round the Back! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE17sNjmW7c&feature=emb_logo)
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What about the Jehovahs? :D
:o
you can get stoned for saying that (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYkbqzWVHZI) :-X
It'd take a while these days though to click and collect your stones. :P
not really ....
We've Got Lumps of it Round the Back! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE17sNjmW7c&feature=emb_logo)
Hmmm Doesn't look very Covid secure to me especially with a couple of covidiots running the place! :)
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quietened down here a bit today but thats probably the 6" of snow rather than people obeying the rules.
the nutters in those special indestructable cars that can drive fast in any weather havnt stopped thou !
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Wait till vaccinated folk think they are invincible and behave as they did twelve months ago.
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The last ten months would have been better if people HAD just carried on regardless.
All we are doing constantly by constantly chopping and changing is prolonging the total clusterfick that passes for life these days. At somepoint someone is going to need to stand up and accept that we're going to have to live (and possibly die) with it. May as well admit it already and get doing than hide indoors until the moon falls out of the sky :-X
As they didn't bother shutting the doors at the first mention, then they shouldn't have bothered doing anything beyond looking to improve treatments and produce the vaccine. Whilst we are on the subject, WTF weren't the Nightingale hospitals used as Covid treatment centres from the second they were set up rather than completely stiffling the rest of the NHS?
And the figures are still irrelevant in the grand scheme of things... 464, 437 babies were born in England and Wales alone between January and September 2020. That's a net growth of over 386,000 people.
And what future are they going to have if the kids of today can't be properly educated? Not that there will be an economy for them to contribute to >:(
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At work we asked the Government (MOD) to postpone the project we have to finish and demonstrate in February.
We calculate we need 8 people at the demo 7 of whole will have to stay in hotels just West of the M25. For 3 nights.
We think the MOD will have 3 to 10 observers. From all over.
To actually get to that point, we have to get at least 6 people in a workshop to integrate all the stuff they have worked on remotely in cyloys. We can not easily do it remotely. The Engineering Director thinks it needs 15 days. 3 of those people can not commute daily.
We've asked the MOD. thier responce has been "please minimise the number of people you send, we can not delay.
There's nothing that couldn't be delayed 6 months in my humble oppinion.
Oh and I'm supposed to pull together risk assessments on this.
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Similar here. ::)
Still, at least all the "non-essential" dawdling Polo drivers have disappeared from my commute. The Little Blue Pussy isn't quite as frugal on fuel when "cracking on", mind. :o ::)
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At work we asked the Government (MOD) to postpone the project we have to finish and demonstrate in February.
We calculate we need 8 people at the demo 7 of whole will have to stay in hotels just West of the M25. For 3 nights.
We think the MOD will have 3 to 10 observers. From all over.
To actually get to that point, we have to get at least 6 people in a workshop to integrate all the stuff they have worked on remotely in cyloys. We can not easily do it remotely. The Engineering Director thinks it needs 15 days. 3 of those people can not commute daily.
We've asked the MOD. thier responce has been "please minimise the number of people you send, we can not delay.
There's nothing that couldn't be delayed 6 months in my humble oppinion.
Oh and I'm supposed to pull together risk assessments on this.
Rest assured North Korea won’t be taking a break from building their nuclear sub ( sadly for Biden). Ditto the Chinese and Russians wont be delaying any of their projects for pesky virus concerns.
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At work we asked the Government (MOD) to postpone the project we have to finish and demonstrate in February.
We calculate we need 8 people at the demo 7 of whole will have to stay in hotels just West of the M25. For 3 nights.
We think the MOD will have 3 to 10 observers. From all over.
To actually get to that point, we have to get at least 6 people in a workshop to integrate all the stuff they have worked on remotely in cyloys. We can not easily do it remotely. The Engineering Director thinks it needs 15 days. 3 of those people can not commute daily.
We've asked the MOD. thier responce has been "please minimise the number of people you send, we can not delay.
There's nothing that couldn't be delayed 6 months in my humble oppinion.
Oh and I'm supposed to pull together risk assessments on this.
Rest assured North Korea won’t be taking a break from building their nuclear sub ( sadly for Biden). Ditto the Chinese and Russians wont be delaying any of their projects for pesky virus concerns.
Rest assured, I applied for a job building nuclear subs in October 2019. My security clearance came through in December, but I've told them I'm working for someone else now, but i could start in April. Which they were okay with.
Now they've sent me new facts saying it's inside IR35. And there's no possibility of WFH (obvs), so unless I've had a vaccine by then (I'm in group 6 apparently) I feel it unlikely that the money will be worth the risks.
Current contract is about proof of concept, and whilst it i s important long term, waiting 6 months, wouldn't actually make much difference in the overall scheme of things. If asked to.productionise the prototype, we could catch up. (Probably)
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That clearly depends on your definition of risk ::)
You know exactly what you signed up for, and why.
Complaining about it now is a bit like applying to the Army then saying you didn't realise that you might get muddy...
Personally I would rather go to work. Life is far too short to be stuck inside the house worrying about the sky falling in.
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59,937 new cases and 1035 dead today
we're getting quite good at spreading and catching Covid
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59,937 new cases and 1035 dead today
we're getting quite good at spreading and catching Covid
I went to Asda this morning, it was rammed. A couple of members of staff, who've been there a long time, told me they were thinking of quitting because the store managers were just not interested in limiting numbers because there's an Aldi five minutes away, and some customers might go there instead. I bought enough for a week, not going there more often than I need to.
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unfortunately it's all down to enforcement ,supermarkets won't ,though Aldi does have a traffic light system at the doors .
that doesn't stop idiots inside :(
individuals should be responsible enough now to social distance and wait 2 minutes rather than just invade someone's safe space >:(
i'm shopping for relatives often ,constantly spraying my hands, spray all items with disinfectant as i put them into TRUG BUCKETS (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/15L-25L-40L-FLEXI-TUB-WITH-HANDLE-BUILDER-BUCKET-TRUG-CONSTRUCTION-CONTAINER/283543163969?hash=item42047d5441:g:okMAAOSwWntcsaRq) into the car, i stopped using shopping bags ,I have a UVc lamp set up to decontaminate coat, shoes, shopping trousers ,
yes.... I have a set of clothes to wear specifically when i go out in public,though i do wear clothes at home too ;D
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1,564 covid deaths today , a new record high :(
+47,525 new cases confirmed with a test ,though I saw something about 2500 new cases per day is likely to be a more accurate reflection :o
more people dead from this wave than the first wave
total deaths nearly 85 thousand
and to cap all that ,Lidl didn't have any Gala apples :(
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1,564 covid deaths today , a new record high :(
+47,525 new cases confirmed with a test ,though I saw something about 2500 new cases per day is likely to be a more accurate reflection :o
more people dead from this wave than the first wave
total deaths nearly 85 thousand
and to cap all that ,Lidl didn't have any Gala apples :(
Cox's are better anyway! :y
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We seem to be getting quite a menu to choose from.To begin with we had the Chinese virus the the British virus[would this have been the EU virus pre-Brexit?]then the South African virus and now apparently there's the Brazilian virus!!
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We seem to be getting quite a menu to choose from.To begin with we had the Chinese virus the the British virus[would this have been the EU virus pre-Brexit?]then the South African virus and now apparently there's the Brazilian virus!!
Commonly known as the bald virus ;D
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Lidl didn't have any Gala apples :(
Cox's are better anyway! :y
I did pick up Cox's instead :)
Not for me anyway ,far too healthy :P for my old mum , I explained that there's a war on and she had to "make do" ;D
We seem to be getting quite a menu to choose from.To begin with we had the Chinese virus the the British virus[would this have been the EU virus pre-Brexit?]then the South African virus and now apparently there's the Brazilian virus!!
Indeed, lots of new variants :(
I hope the Vaccines cope ,though people seem to forget ,even with 2 doses, they're still only 90% effective ,so people will still need to "follow the rules" hands ,face ,space
or start following the rules ::)
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Lidl didn't have any Gala apples :(
Cox's are better anyway! :y
I did pick up Cox's instead :)
Not for me anyway ,far too healthy :P for my old mum , I explained that there's a war on and she had to "make do" ;D
We seem to be getting quite a menu to choose from.To begin with we had the Chinese virus the the British virus[would this have been the EU virus pre-Brexit?]then the South African virus and now apparently there's the Brazilian virus!!
Indeed, lots of new variants :(
I hope the Vaccines cope ,though people seem to forget ,even with 2 doses, they're still only 90% effective ,so people will still need to "follow the rules" hands ,face ,space
or start following the rules ::)
Apparently the sinovac is only 50.6% effective.
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I'll take 90% against a virus with a sub 0.1% mortality rate ;)
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Lidl didn't have any Gala apples :(
Cox's are better anyway! :y
I did pick up Cox's instead :)
Not for me anyway ,far too healthy :P for my old mum , I explained that there's a war on and she had to "make do" ;D
We seem to be getting quite a menu to choose from.To begin with we had the Chinese virus the the British virus[would this have been the EU virus pre-Brexit?]then the South African virus and now apparently there's the Brazilian virus!!
Indeed, lots of new variants :(
I hope the Vaccines cope ,though people seem to forget ,even with 2 doses, they're still only 90% effective ,so people will still need to "follow the rules" hands ,face ,space
or start following the rules ::)
90% effective against the mutations we know about.
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Apparently the sinovac is only 50.6% effective.
I had to google that , first I've even heard of it :-[
Inferior Chinese Tat , who'd of thunk it :P
I'll take 90% against a virus with a sub 0.1% mortality rate ;)
well obviously i'm still young ,so I'll wait and see how it pans out for the guinea pigs :D
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90% effective against the mutations we know about.
in theory
time will tell ,it's still all very new ,
and now covid is spread so widely ,new variants ,including ones the current vaccines won't work on is inevitable
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I'll take 90% against a virus with a sub 0.1% mortality rate ;)
I actually thought you were capable of simple maths ..... but obviously not ...
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/ (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/)
21:58 GMT on 13 January 2021
Worldwide:
just over 92 million cases
slightly under 2 million deaths ....
now I make that a mortality rate of 2/92 or 1 in 46 ..... 2.17 % ..... not a lot different to yours .. if you can't understand maths that is .... but if you do understand maths ........
UK
83,342 deaths
3,173,291 cases
thats 2.626 % mortality ........
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Where DG is falling down is that he is counting deaths per million of the population. But, of course, that is incorrect when calculating the mortality rate. The percentage of deaths of people who have actually caught the virus, as above, is correct. I believe the figure is nearer 2.7% in the UK.
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Don't forget that 64.8% of statistics are made up on the spot. The remaining 38% are misunderstood.
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It could be said that the mortality rate figures are incorrect, because not everyone who catches the virus shows symptoms and is, therefore, tested. But it's certainly nearer the 2 point something than the 0.1%.
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Where DG is falling down is that he is counting deaths per million of the population. But, of course, that is incorrect when calculating the mortality rate. The percentage of deaths of people who have actually caught the virus, as above, is correct. I believe the figure is nearer 2.7% in the UK.
yup ... edited the figures for you...
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Then..you can break down the figures even further to show the mortality rate for different age groups. I reckon it would be much higher for someone like me, in my late sixties. 2.7 in every hundred is scary enough, I don't think I want to know about my age group.
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all I can say is that the COVID ICU wards that my daughter works in are more than full ....she came home from her 12 hour shift this evening, shouted through to her Mum that she was going to shower the COVID off her and that was it .... we've not seen her since. :'(
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Then..you can break down the figures even further to show the mortality rate for different age groups. I reckon it would be much higher for someone like me, in my late sixties. 2.7 in every hundred is scary enough, I don't think I want to know about my age group.
Information available here .. xls spreadsheet with age group breakdowns ... if you are worried about 65-70 .. don't even look at over 80's.....
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales (https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales)
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so if 2.7% died pre vaccine programs
vaccine may be 90% effective perhaps
is it roughly 10% of 2.7% (0.27%) will still die ? (excluding other factors, like better treatments, daft covid death calculation based on test/28 days )
my maths isn't great ,I only calculate in bricks, slabs and planks :P
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so if 2.7% died pre vaccine programs
vaccine may be 90% effective perhaps
is it roughly 10% of 2.7% (0.27%) will still die ? (excluding other factors, like better treatments, daft covid death calculation based on test/28 days )
my maths isn't great ,I only calculate in bricks, slabs and planks :P
You can look at it like that, but they are actually hoping for better, as the vaccine has an effect that even if you still catch covid-19 after vaccination, it would appear that you will, probably, be less seriously ill.
The honest answer is that no-one actually knows, and won't know, until a huge number of folks have been vaccinated, then the weeks pass that allow the vaccine to work in your body, then we see what the rates of infection, transmission, and, unfortunately, death level out at... only then will we know the real effect.
At the moment the purpose of the vaccination programme is NOT to stop the majority from catching covid-19, but to try and try and stop those most at risk from dying doing just that..... hence the over 80's being no 1 priority.
All these "special interest" idiots demanding "priority" are totally missing the point ... deliberately I feel.....
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all I can say is that the COVID ICU wards that my daughter works in are more than full ....she came home from her 12 hour shift this evening, shouted through to her Mum that she was going to shower the COVID off her and that was it .... we've not seen her since. :'(
Terrible that nurses, doctors etc should have to do 12 hour shifts in such environments watching people die etc, putting their own lives at risk ,but i guess the trained staff shortages and the virus being so "out of control" it's inevitable :(
some TV adds showing how bad it really is might help persuade the rule breakers
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You can look at it like that, but they are actually hoping for better, as the vaccine has an effect that even if you still catch covid-19 after vaccination, it would appear that you will, probably, be less seriously ill.
The problem for the authorities with that argument is that, whilst it is (probably) true that once vaccinated you will be less seriously ill if you do still catch it, there isn't much evidence that it stops you catching it. If the vaccine turns people who would otherwise have gone down with a mild dose of man-flu into asymptomatic cases, then those people can catch it and may not know they're infected. Since they're vaccinated they may think they're immune. That, together with these new much more easily caught mutations, could turn vaxinated under 50's into super-spreaders.
I'm also not sure where the 90% comes from wrt the Oxford Vax - the version we're most likely to get. The figures published in the Lancet (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32661-1/fulltext) for two 100% doses up to 6 weeks apart was 60-70%. The 90% figure refers to the 50%-100% Oxford doses which haven't been approved by the MHRA because the sample size was too small, and all the participants were in the 40-55 age group IIRC. We already know that those aged 60+ are at a much higher risk, so if the 50-100 regime had been tested across a wider age group the results would probably be lower (a lot lower) than 90%.
You can go further and say that if the 100-100 dosage has an average of 60-70% across all tested age groups, but the 40-55 age group has a 90% rate for a 50-100 dose, then it's highly likely the 40-55 group has a similar 90% ish rate for a 100-100 dose. If that's the case, then because 60-70% is the average for all age groups, the 55-90 year old rate must be waaaaayyyyyy less than 60-70%.
In short, the vaccines are good news, and should help to dramatically reduce serious cases and hospital admissions once the majority of over 60's have been jabbed. But the over 60's are going to remain much more vulnerable than the under 40's for a long time yet. IMV.
It's also interesting that the Oxford testing was done in the UK, South Africa and Brazil. Remind me where these new strains of the virus are bing first detected ::)
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For the purposes of my post, I didn't even look at the figures.
Having said that, the total number of cases, recovered and deaths relative to total population for the UK are 4.7%; 2.05%; 0.125% respectively.
Even if you only count active cases the potential mortality rate is 5%.
At 90% efficacy, this drops to 0.45%.
Like I said, I will gladly take any of those odds.
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I should add, the figures I used were rounded... 3,200,000 total cases; 1,700,000 active cases; 85,000 deaths and 68,000,000 total UK population.
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For the purposes of my post, I didn't even look at the figures.
Having said that, the total number of cases, recovered and deaths relative to total population for the UK are 4.7%; 2.05%; 0.125% respectively.
Even if you only count active cases the potential mortality rate is 5%.
At 90% efficacy, this drops to 0.45%.
Like I said, I will gladly take any of those odds.
;D ;D ;D
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For the purposes of my post, I didn't even look at the figures.
Having said that, the total number of cases, recovered and deaths relative to total population for the UK are 4.7%; 2.05%; 0.125% respectively.
Even if you only count active cases the potential mortality rate is 5%.
At 90% efficacy, this drops to 0.45%.
Like I said, I will gladly take any of those odds.
;D ;D ;D
The odds of catching and subsequently dying from it vs total global population is, and has always been, negligible.
Actually 0.025%, so 0.1% was a significant overestimate. :P
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That will be of great comfort to the 1500 dead yesterday in the UK and their families, and the 1500 today and the 2000? tomorrow.
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For the purposes of my post, I didn't even look at the figures.
Having said that, the total number of cases, recovered and deaths relative to total population for the UK are 4.7%; 2.05%; 0.125% respectively.
Even if you only count active cases the potential mortality rate is 5%.
At 90% efficacy, this drops to 0.45%.
Like I said, I will gladly take any of those odds.
No. That assumes that both the efficacy and odds of dying from it are evenly spread over all age groups, which we know isn't true.
It is known that the 80+ group are many times more likely to die from it than the under 40's.
And the evidence suggests that the efficacy is lower in the 80+ than 40-.
And the Oxford jab isn't 90%. Its 60-70%.
Therefore assuming that the death rate will drop by 90% is highly optimistic minister.
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For the purposes of my post, I didn't even look at the figures.
Having said that, the total number of cases, recovered and deaths relative to total population for the UK are 4.7%; 2.05%; 0.125% respectively.
Even if you only count active cases the potential mortality rate is 5%.
At 90% efficacy, this drops to 0.45%.
Like I said, I will gladly take any of those odds.
Ahh ... more from the D Trump School of obfuscation ...
rule 1 : make up a random fact and state it is true ...... (I didn't even look at the figures.)
rule 2 : ensure random fact is not actually part of original argument ... (relative to total population)
rule 3 : incorporate original question into a misleading argument to support your agenda ... (if you only count active cases the potential mortality)
rule 4 : throw out more random but untrue facts .... (At 90% efficacy, this drops to 0.45%. ... [(100%-90%) of 5% is NOT 0.45% !!] )
Note : the subject matter WAS the claim that the mortality rate is 0.1%.... nothing else ... now proven to be totally untrue .. but IAW Trump dictact .. never admit to being wrong about anything ......
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I think some of us need to take a day off. ::)
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I think some of us need to take a day off. ::)
What? And just let others post complete rubbish unchallenged?
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No, but its all getting a bit too personal imo. ;)
A few deep breaths and a bit of time distracting yourself with something else, can help put things back into perspective sometimes.
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No, but its all getting a bit too personal imo. ;)
A few deep breaths and a bit of time distracting yourself with something else, can help put things back into perspective sometimes.
It's always going to get personal, it's human nature...........Paddy ;D
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Thumbs up 👍👍👍👍for Entwood, that's all I'm going to say...
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Well I hold my hands up to the completely inaccurate "90 % effective" :-[
genuine mistake
I was basing it on news a while back that after 2 doses of Vaccine ,that was the number ish
so sorry for screwing all the calculations and I'm very glad people have pointed out it's not the case
not that i want covid vaccine to be worse than I estimated ,but that accurate figures (as best as we can guesstimate ) are shown
now that we have 3 ? different vaccines so far being dished out ,with different doses and timescales ,single or 2 doses it's very confusing for a plank like me to get my head round the figures :D
I just hope we can get past this covid bombshell and ,though life won't be the same as before :( ,get back to a normal-ish life.
sadly for some, that will never be the case :(
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I think some of us need to take a day off. ::)
What? And just let others post complete rubbish unchallenged?
Why not? We let you get away with it all the time! :)
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Damned loes and Statistics ;D
1. I never presented that as fact.
2. Dave never presented his 90% in context.
3. They are numbers. How you perceive their interpretation is entirely upto you.
4. It might reasonably be prestented that if the 5% who would otherwise die, 0.45% would survive at 90% efficacy if they had taken the vaccine. (5% x 90% = 0.45%).
And as for the 0.1% being wrong, I think I have covered that.
If you want to include different age ranges and their mortality rates, crack on. By taking the population as a whole you already include them, it just doesn't show the skew one way or tother.
As far as the over (insert age of choice) mortality rates go, of course they are higher than the total population : there are fewer of them and they are already more like to die. This holds more true the further from what ever age you start from... 90+ are fewer in number and more likely to die than 85+, 80+, 70+ etc, etc. That's how life goes.
My overall point was that I would rather have my pathetic pre March 2020 existence than whatever THIS is supposed to be. Trying to participate here clearly isn't helping, because you're obviously not allowed to express anything beyond the BBC view of the world. :-X
Stemo, I hope SWMBO gets home ok.
Dave, you've nowt to apologise for... They were your take on the information presented ;)
Varche, do you ever consider a positive option?
Johnnydog, if you've summat to say, then just say it.
Albs, I think you may have a point... :y
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Do I ever consider a positive option?
Yes throughout my life. Served me very well. I cannot see anything positive with where we are now . Cant go anywhere, we are heading for greater lockdown measures, vaccine isnt the panacea many people think it is, could do with being in Yorkshire to sort things for my ailing dad, another younger family member has cancer, every time you switch the tele on there is nothing but bad news. Microsoft lock us out of our account almost every day, smart tv is stuck permanently updating hub. The list is long and just a sample.
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Do I ever consider a positive option?
Yes throughout my life. Served me very well. I cannot see anything positive with where we are now . Cant go anywhere, we are heading for greater lockdown measures, vaccine isnt the panacea many people think it is, could do with being in Yorkshire to sort things for my ailing dad, another younger family member has cancer, every time you switch the tele on there is nothing but bad news. Microsoft lock us out of our account almost every day, smart tv is stuck permanently updating hub. The list is long and just a sample.
And Spain had massive snowfalls and minus 27°C earlier in the week.
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Today's figures are very late, some nonsense about problems with the data. Obviously this is hiding something more sinister than 'problems with data'. I'm off to find the reason on YouTube. ;D
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Ok.....found a chap in Ashby de la Zouch who says they're definitely hiding something. He's not 100% sure what, but his followers said we should shoot Jonathan van Tam.
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The Death secretary (Tw_t Hand-on-his-cock) hasn't made up a fictitious low number yet :(
Ok.....found a chap in Ashby de la Zouch who says they're definitely hiding something. He's not 100% sure what, but his followers said we should shoot Jonathan van Tam.
Fake news , I said shoot Boris :P
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The Death secretary (Tw_t Hand-on-his-cock) hasn't made up a fictitious low number yet :(
Ok.....found a chap in Ashby de la Zouch who says they're definitely hiding something. He's not 100% sure what, but his followers said we should shoot Jonathan van Tam.
Fake news , I said shoot Boris :P
No one would notice.
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+48,682 new cases but still no daily death toll yet
maybe they are all off work with covid
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Could be so bad someone has demanded a recount?
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Could be so bad someone has demanded a recount?
2020 had 85 thousand excess deaths 14% up , the worst since WW2 *
*all numbers quoted off the BBC, probably completely wrong but :P
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Could be so bad someone has demanded a recount?
2020 had 85 thousand excess deaths 14% up , the worst since WW2 *
*all numbers quoted off the BBC, probably completely wrong but :P
Don't be afraid of posting the wrong figures, Dave, no one on here will pick you up. Honest ;D
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Don't be afraid of posting the wrong figures, Dave, no one on here will pick you up. Honest ;D
OK, it doesn't have a number for deaths on coronavirus.data.gov.uk or www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
so no one died today :)
which is wrong because Siegfried died on another thread
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Don't be afraid of posting the wrong figures, Dave, no one on here will pick you up. Honest ;D
OK, it doesn't have a number for deaths on coronavirus.data.gov.uk or www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
so no one died today :)
Or....the number is so large they are holding it back to till everyone's gone to bed. ;D
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He's still totting it all up
(https://www2.b3ta.com/host/creative/34212/1610579150/Hancockonthebog.jpg)
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Just got a call to offer me my 1st covid jab.
I told them, if they think they're going to stick a fickin chip into me, they can eff off. I'm going tomorrow at 3:30. :)
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1,280 Daily deaths
55,761 tested positive
1st covid jab.
I'm going tomorrow at 3:30. :)
you can bee the OOF Guinee pig :)
hope it goes well
let us know if you get a hunger for bat meat or human brains :P
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1,280 Daily deaths
55,761 tested positive
1st covid jab.
I'm going tomorrow at 3:30. :)
you can bee the OOF Guinee pig :)
hope it goes well
let us know if you get a hunger for bat meat or human brains :P
Where would I find human brains? Certainly not on here ;D