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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 14 January 2021, 15:42:39
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Equality of opportunity or equality of outcome?
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Ah Grasshopper !
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Yes
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Kamala believes in equality of outcome.
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Kamala believes in equality of outcome.
Ok. Is there a point to this? ;D
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Kamala believes in equality of outcome.
Ok. Is there a point to this? ;D
Fundamental question that applies to every human being.
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Why worry?.. will it change the future?
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Why worry?.. will it change the future?
I'm not worried, Rae. :D I find it interesting to understand how people tick.
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Surely equality of outcome is impossible.
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I think I’ll agree with that, in general we are what make ourselves (within reason)..
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I think I’ll agree with that, in general we are what make ourselves (within reason)..
Yes.
Would equality of outcome mean we are all as wealthy as Elon Musk, or we are all as piss poor as some down and out sitting in his own puke? ::)
Both represent equality of outcome.
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In the context, it will lean towards the latter.
You'll have everything you need and you will be happy :-X
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In the context, it will lean towards the latter.
You'll have everything you need and you will be happy :-X
That's got to be a win for you compared to where you are now.
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https://youtu.be/w4kowE_YIVw (https://youtu.be/w4kowE_YIVw)
This is interesting. The black victim mentality is alive and well within the mind of Ms Harris, with the white oppressor already having an advantage over his black victim.
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The silly bint states that if we all start from the same place then we all end up at the same place.
Only a 6 year old would believe this.
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Interesting. ;D
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Interesting. ;D
Your educated wife will have an opinion on this.
My guess is she believes in equality of opportunity rather than outcome.
Equality of outcome means people don't need to take any responsibility for their actions and choices. :)
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Equality of outcome is a core piece of communism, but true communism has never been tried, and tends to lead to dictatorship, thus totalitarism is deemed unachievable by anybody with a positive IQ.
But what do I believe in? Possibly neither.
We need a 3rd option, a belief of shooting stupid people and do-gooders.
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Equality of outcome is a core piece of communism, but true communism has never been tried, and tends to lead to dictatorship, thus totalitarism is deemed unachievable by anybody with a positive IQ.
But what do I believe in? Possibly neither.
We need a 3rd option, a belief of shooting stupid people and do-gooders.
Yes....it looks like President Harris is a 'commie'
Old Joe probably won't notice until he wakes up from his nap. Too late then. :)
As for your third option...... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ;D
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Equality of opportunity.
I don't want my brain surgeon to be come IQ60 thicko who got there because they are a wheelchair using lesbian dwarf who identifies as a pot plant.
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Equality of opportunity.
I don't want my brain surgeon to be come IQ60 thicko who got there because they are a wheelchair using lesbian dwarf who identifies as a pot plant.
It's obvious when we think about it.
Equality of outcome is a way of 'dumbing down' everything so as not to leave behind, or upset, the thickest of the thick and the most bone idle lazy people
Equality of opportunity I can go with.......but not every person will take that opportunity.
Equality of outcome results in a Wartburg Knight. ;D
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Equality of opportunity.
I don't want my brain surgeon to be come IQ60 thicko who got there because they are a wheelchair using lesbian dwarf who identifies as a pot plant.
Erm.......so are you anti disabled, vertically challenged lesbians, or just the ones who identify as pot plants ???
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Equality of opportunity.
I don't want my brain surgeon to be come IQ60 thicko who got there because they are a wheelchair using lesbian dwarf who identifies as a pot plant.
It's obvious when we think about it.
Equality of outcome is a way of 'dumbing down' everything so as not to leave behind, or upset, the thickest of the thick and the most bone idle lazy people
Equality of opportunity I can go with.......but not every person will take that opportunity.
Equality of outcome results in a Wartburg Knight. ;D
I've been banging on about the evils of positive discrimination for years, but you didn't pipe up then. Is it just a Kamala Harris thing?
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And just because she believes this nonsense, it doesn't mean it's going to be enacted into law or anything. Donald believed he won the election and look where that got him.
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Equality of opportunity.
I don't want my brain surgeon to be come IQ60 thicko who got there because they are a wheelchair using lesbian dwarf who identifies as a pot plant.
It's obvious when we think about it.
Equality of outcome is a way of 'dumbing down' everything so as not to leave behind, or upset, the thickest of the thick and the most bone idle lazy people
Equality of opportunity I can go with.......but not every person will take that opportunity.
Equality of outcome results in a Wartburg Knight. ;D
I've been banging on about the evils of positive discrimination for years, but you didn't pipe up then. Is it just a Kamala Harris thing?
I reckon she's in his wank bank ;)
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Equality of opportunity.
I don't want my brain surgeon to be come IQ60 thicko who got there because they are a wheelchair using lesbian dwarf who identifies as a pot plant.
It's obvious when we think about it.
Equality of outcome is a way of 'dumbing down' everything so as not to leave behind, or upset, the thickest of the thick and the most bone idle lazy people
Equality of opportunity I can go with.......but not every person will take that opportunity.
Equality of outcome results in a Wartburg Knight. ;D
I've been banging on about the evils of positive discrimination for years, but you didn't pipe up then. Is it just a Kamala Harris thing?
I reckon she's in his wank bank ;)
Isn't everyone? ;D
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Equality of opportunity.
I don't want my brain surgeon to be come IQ60 thicko who got there because they are a wheelchair using lesbian dwarf who identifies as a pot plant.
It's obvious when we think about it.
Equality of outcome is a way of 'dumbing down' everything so as not to leave behind, or upset, the thickest of the thick and the most bone idle lazy people
Equality of opportunity I can go with.......but not every person will take that opportunity.
Equality of outcome results in a Wartburg Knight. ;D
I've been banging on about the evils of positive discrimination for years, but you didn't pipe up then. Is it just a Kamala Harris thing?
I reckon she's in his wank bank ;)
Well.....now that you mention it. ;)
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Equality of opportunity.
I don't want my brain surgeon to be come IQ60 thicko who got there because they are a wheelchair using lesbian dwarf who identifies as a pot plant.
It's obvious when we think about it.
Equality of outcome is a way of 'dumbing down' everything so as not to leave behind, or upset, the thickest of the thick and the most bone idle lazy people
Equality of opportunity I can go with.......but not every person will take that opportunity.
Equality of outcome results in a Wartburg Knight. ;D
I've been banging on about the evils of positive discrimination for years, but you didn't pipe up then. Is it just a Kamala Harris thing?
I reckon she's in his wank bank ;)
Well.....now that you mention it. ;)
New avatar on the horizon?
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Equality of opportunity.
I don't want my brain surgeon to be come IQ60 thicko who got there because they are a wheelchair using lesbian dwarf who identifies as a pot plant.
It's obvious when we think about it.
Equality of outcome is a way of 'dumbing down' everything so as not to leave behind, or upset, the thickest of the thick and the most bone idle lazy people
Equality of opportunity I can go with.......but not every person will take that opportunity.
Equality of outcome results in a Wartburg Knight. ;D
I've been banging on about the evils of positive discrimination for years, but you didn't pipe up then. Is it just a Kamala Harris thing?
I reckon she's in his wank bank ;)
Isn't everyone? ;D
How much jizz do you think there is? ;D
You remember Jizz, don't you? ::) ::) :D
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Equality of opportunity.
I don't want my brain surgeon to be come IQ60 thicko who got there because they are a wheelchair using lesbian dwarf who identifies as a pot plant.
It's obvious when we think about it.
Equality of outcome is a way of 'dumbing down' everything so as not to leave behind, or upset, the thickest of the thick and the most bone idle lazy people
Equality of opportunity I can go with.......but not every person will take that opportunity.
Equality of outcome results in a Wartburg Knight. ;D
I've been banging on about the evils of positive discrimination for years, but you didn't pipe up then. Is it just a Kamala Harris thing?
I reckon she's in his wank bank ;)
Isn't everyone? ;D
How much jizz do you think there is? ;D
You remember Jizz, don't you? ::) ::) :D
Vaguely.
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https://youtu.be/3ZXO08hBzHU (https://youtu.be/3ZXO08hBzHU)
A spoof of the 'sexy' Kamala video.....which is probably closer to the reality of equality of outcome. ;D
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https://youtu.be/3ZXO08hBzHU (https://youtu.be/3ZXO08hBzHU)
A spoof of the 'sexy' Kamala video.....which is probably closer to the reality of opportunity of outcome. ;D
Don't think I'll bother, if it's ok with you.
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https://youtu.be/3ZXO08hBzHU (https://youtu.be/3ZXO08hBzHU)
A spoof of the 'sexy' Kamala video.....which is probably closer to the reality of opportunity of outcome. ;D
Don't think I'll bother, if it's ok with you.
It's a free country (for now)
Feet up......Horlicks .....then bed. :)
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https://youtu.be/3ZXO08hBzHU (https://youtu.be/3ZXO08hBzHU)
A spoof of the 'sexy' Kamala video.....which is probably closer to the reality of opportunity of outcome. ;D
Don't think I'll bother, if it's ok with you.
It's a free country (for now)
Feet up......Horlicks .....then bed. :)
Waiting for the arse :y
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They're playing Crystal Palace at 8.
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They're playing Crystal Palace at 8.
Oh....I though you were talking about your good lady wife. I thought it sounded rude but I'm too polite to say so. :)
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Equality of opportunity.
I don't want my brain surgeon to be come IQ60 thicko who got there because they are a wheelchair using lesbian dwarf who identifies as a pot plant.
It's obvious when we think about it.
Equality of outcome is a way of 'dumbing down' everything so as not to leave behind, or upset, the thickest of the thick and the most bone idle lazy people
Equality of opportunity I can go with.......but not every person will take that opportunity.
Equality of outcome results in a Wartburg Knight. ;D
I've been banging on about the evils of positive discrimination for years, but you didn't pipe up then. Is it just a Kamala Harris thing?
I reckon she's in his wank bank ;)
Well.....now that you mention it. ;)
She does have a history of shagging older married men actually.................as long as they are rich and very powerful. ;)
Thats how she got where she is. ::)
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Equality of opportunity.
I don't want my brain surgeon to be come IQ60 thicko who got there because they are a wheelchair using lesbian dwarf who identifies as a pot plant.
It's obvious when we think about it.
Equality of outcome is a way of 'dumbing down' everything so as not to leave behind, or upset, the thickest of the thick and the most bone idle lazy people
Equality of opportunity I can go with.......but not every person will take that opportunity.
Equality of outcome results in a Wartburg Knight. ;D
I've been banging on about the evils of positive discrimination for years, but you didn't pipe up then. Is it just a Kamala Harris thing?
I reckon she's in his wank bank ;)
Well.....now that you mention it. ;)
She does have a history of shagging older married men actually.................as long as they are rich and very powerful. ;)
I don't think poor old Joe will be able to respond. :-\
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Equality of opportunity.
I don't want my brain surgeon to be come IQ60 thicko who got there because they are a wheelchair using lesbian dwarf who identifies as a pot plant.
It's obvious when we think about it.
Equality of outcome is a way of 'dumbing down' everything so as not to leave behind, or upset, the thickest of the thick and the most bone idle lazy people
Equality of opportunity I can go with.......but not every person will take that opportunity.
Equality of outcome results in a Wartburg Knight. ;D
I've been banging on about the evils of positive discrimination for years, but you didn't pipe up then. Is it just a Kamala Harris thing?
I reckon she's in his wank bank ;)
Well.....now that you mention it. ;)
She does have a history of shagging older married men actually.................as long as they are rich and very powerful. ;)
Thats how she got where she is. ::)
:o :o Lizzie will be apoplectic! A woman sleeping her way to the top? Never.
Not that I'm agreeing she did, of course.
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Equality of opportunity.
I don't want my brain surgeon to be come IQ60 thicko who got there because they are a wheelchair using lesbian dwarf who identifies as a pot plant.
It's obvious when we think about it.
Equality of outcome is a way of 'dumbing down' everything so as not to leave behind, or upset, the thickest of the thick and the most bone idle lazy people
Equality of opportunity I can go with.......but not every person will take that opportunity.
Equality of outcome results in a Wartburg Knight. ;D
I've been banging on about the evils of positive discrimination for years, but you didn't pipe up then. Is it just a Kamala Harris thing?
I reckon she's in his wank bank ;)
Well.....now that you mention it. ;)
She does have a history of shagging older married men actually.................as long as they are rich and very powerful. ;)
Thats how she got where she is. ::)
:o :o Lizzie will be apoplectic! A woman sleeping her way to the top? Never.
Not that I'm agreeing she did, of course.
Didn't Edwina Currie try that? ??? ::) ;D
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Equality of opportunity.
I don't want my brain surgeon to be come IQ60 thicko who got there because they are a wheelchair using lesbian dwarf who identifies as a pot plant.
It's obvious when we think about it.
Equality of outcome is a way of 'dumbing down' everything so as not to leave behind, or upset, the thickest of the thick and the most bone idle lazy people
Equality of opportunity I can go with.......but not every person will take that opportunity.
Equality of outcome results in a Wartburg Knight. ;D
I've been banging on about the evils of positive discrimination for years, but you didn't pipe up then. Is it just a Kamala Harris thing?
I reckon she's in his wank bank ;)
Well.....now that you mention it. ;)
She does have a history of shagging older married men actually.................as long as they are rich and very powerful. ;)
Thats how she got where she is. ::)
:o :o Lizzie will be apoplectic! A woman sleeping her way to the top? Never.
Not that I'm agreeing she did, of course.
Didn't Edwina Currie try that? ??? ::) ;D
Not sure. If she did, they must have been very desperate men. ;D
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John Major bent her over the cabinet table and........
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John Major bent her over the cabinet table and........
Glad I've had my tea already. 🤮
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John Major bent her over the cabinet table and........
Glad I've had my tea already. 🤮
Apparently he was a bit of a ram. :)
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John Major bent her over the cabinet table and........
gave her salmonella poisoning on her eggs :-\
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John Major bent her over the cabinet table and........
gave her salmonella poisoning on her eggs :-\
So that's how it happens........ ;)
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FMDO: I sense some Socratic irony
https://youtu.be/eI19RBEfWiw
My take - you probably can't achieve equality of outcome without taking away someone's opportunity.
The society that puts equality before freedom will end up with neither. The society that puts freedom before equality will end up with a great measure of both.
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Hard work.... you reap what you sow.
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If equality of outcome is guaranteed regardless of how hard you work, or how hard you don't work, then many people won't see the point in 'striving' or taking the responsibility to to improve their lives.
I really don't think equality of outcome is actually 'doable' and it is certainly not desirable.
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and given that the history of the human race shows that those in charge are somehow "more equal" than others ??? equality of outcome is simply not obtainable.....
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Indeed hardest workers (no matter what job) should be rewarded most end of.
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Unfortunately it doesnt always work that way though. If the only qualification for becoming wealthy was graft I would have bee rich before I hit 40.
It often seems to be the crafty, devious, manipulative r slickers who do well these days.
I was never made that way though, so have some pride left, but far call money. ;D
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The silly bint states that if we all start from the same place then we all end up at the same place.
Only a 6 year old would believe this.
Imagine, that you have a twin brother. He's not as bright as you, but he works harder. But circumstances and life means that he ends up on the breadline, and you end up pretty well off. You'd share it with him right ? What if he wasn't hard working and the circumstances were due to his own selfish dishonesty. What if he stole from you ? What if your wife was a bit scared of him. What if ? Would you help him then ? What if he was sleeping on the streets? You'd help him.then ? Or maybe not. If you knew he would die if he didn't come in from.the cold?
Society is like a big family. Unfortunately we are not equal, but surely we'd share some of what we've got, with people who have nothing.
Or should we.? It's not our fault.
And this is the dilemma. The richest 5% have 95% of the e wealth. Surely some redistribution is only human?
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Unfortunately it doesn't always work that way though. If the only qualification for becoming wealthy was graft I would have bee rich before I hit 40.
It often seems to be the crafty, devious, manipulative r slickers who do well these days.
They ALWAYS did. Although you missed out lucky :y
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Newpod:
What if you win all £49million on tonight's lottery...
Would you be happy to redistribute all of it equally to everyone on benefits?
If you work hard and get to a point where you have six figures in savings, would you be happy to be reset so that someone who couldn't be bothered was given most of it so that you each had the same?
Or be forced to give up any rental properties leaving you with the smallest property for your needs ie a studio/1 bed if there's only two of you?
I ask because that's fundamentally what you are advocating...
And where does it stop? Cars? Bicycles? Food? Water? Medication?
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Whereas I agree with new pod to a point, and respect his generosity, as DG points out there certainly is a limit.
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“Have they no refuge or resource?” :-\ “Are there no prisons?” :-\ “Are there no workhouses?” :-\
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As a psychology aside:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locus_of_control
It's a long read but, in a loosely political sense, I see the 'left' aligned with an external locus of control (where the government or whoever decides your outcome) and the 'right' aligned with an internal locus of control (where you decide your outcome). The rope-and-ladder analogy is similar.
Ok, it's been a long day at work and I'm not sure if I'm making this clear, so I'll leave it there and reflect further.
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“Have they no refuge or resource?” :-\ “Are there no prisons?” :-\ “Are there no workhouses?” :-\
Great film... :y
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The problem with equality of outcome is that it will inevitably peg achievers back rather than bring less able people up to their level.
......and just because a person does well it doesn't necessarily mean they will be a selfish bastard and keep everything for themselves.
Some wealthy people are also philanthropic......some less so. Human nature is both malignant and benign.
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The problem with equality of outcome is that it will inevitably peg achievers back rather than bring less able people up to their level.
......and just because a person does well it doesn't necessarily mean they will be a selfish bastard and keep everything for themselves.
Some wealthy people are also philanthropic......some less so. Human nature is both malignant and benign.
Edward Colston for example. :) Although he'll now be remembered for how he accumulated his wealth rather than how he spent it. ::)
That's if he's remembered at all, given the attempts to erase parts of history that a certain section of society don't like. :-X
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I passed my 11+ exam and went to a grammar school. I didn't go on to university, probably because I was too thick. :-\
My mother's friend had a couple of kids who didn't pass the 11+ and this woman then decided the 11+ exam was elitist, because not everybody could go to a grammar school.
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Her solution was simple. No child should go to a grammar school unless every child went to a grammar school. This way no child would feel left behind. This is an example of how equality of outcome works. Crazy really.
The 'opportunity' to go was there for all.......and this 'opportunity' was not related to wealth. In fact, many poor and working class kids went to grammar school, and did well in life because of it.
I have seized some opportunities, and missed others that I still kick myself for. It's called life.
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Getting rid of Grammars in most of the country was the worst blow to social mobility in the UK in living memory.
Luckily we still have a few in Essex which both my kids benefitted greatly from.
They were retained across Norn Irn when they were killed off in England, but once Blair put former IRA murderers, who are all devout socialists in Govt, and they then took over education, they started to dismantle the system for purely dogmatic reasons.
A great shame. :(
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As a psychology aside:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locus_of_control
It's a long read but, in a loosely political sense, I see the 'left' aligned with an external locus of control (where the government or whoever decides your outcome) and the 'right' aligned with an internal locus of control (where you decide your outcome). The rope-and-ladder analogy is similar.
Ok, it's been a long day at work and I'm not sure if I'm making this clear, so I'll leave it there and reflect further.
There is also something called 'confirmation bias' which we all use.
We are sure we are right about something, so we 'confirm' we are correct by speaking with somebody who we already know thinks the same way.
We make sure to avoid or dismiss people who we know will think differently.
We are all guilty of this. :)
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Not me.I dont need to speak to anyone else to confirm Im right. :D ;D
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Hated every minute at school, but have done alright in my estimation, that's all that counts.
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Getting rid of Grammars in most of the country was the worst blow to social mobility in the UK in living memory.
Luckily we still have a few in Essex which both my kids benefitted greatly from.
They were retained across Norn Irn when they were killed off in England, but once Blair put former IRA murderers, who are all devout socialists in Govt, and they then took over education, they started to dismantle the system for purely dogmatic reasons.
A great shame. :(
We still have some in Kent, including the one I went to. One problem is that grammar schools - selective schools is the current and surprisingly accurate term - were meant to be only one part of a system, and some of the other parts are long since missing. All they do now is suck money and talent(pupils and teachers) away from other, bigger schools.
We shouldn't forget that grammar schools were meant to provide appropriately educated school leavers for white collar jobs with the top few percent sent to university, in the same way that technical schools(the biggest missing part) did for prospective tradesmen. Both the boys(they're almost always single sex, which is another outmoded decision) grammar schools here were started as that: one to teach maths for new naval officers(after 300 years it's still called Sir Joseph Williamson's Mathematical School and known as The Math) and what is now Holcombe Academy(another badly implemented, expensive and generally questionable idea) that was Chatham Technical High School for Boys when I started there in 1981. It had been founded to do the same thing for boys expected to get apprenticeships in the dockyard. By that time it was a grammar school in all but name, which was changed in summer 1982 to Chatham Grammar School for Boys - there was already one for girls.
Another problem is that pupils for these schools are selected when they're ten years old, and I doubt you'll find anyone who would approve of such deliberate social engineering of children at that age in any other way. That includes me and the other 3 members of my immediate family who all went to grammar schools. Their time has gone, but instead of improving the remaining schools and the education they provide, the time, effort and money had been spent on increasing the middle management and bureaucracy. The NHS has suffered similarly
The Labour push to send everyone to university, even for education that was better done on the job or as traditional apprenticeships, has done the education and employment of school leavers no favours either.
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The selection process changed for the better in the early 90,s.
The system which had been in place for decades, and the one my Daugher passed in its last year, the 11+ under was open to manipulation by Promary schools.
Example = Child 1 scores 98% in the exam and child 2 (parent is a school governer) scores 88%. School then grades them both as group A and they both get an average of one anothers scores - 93%.
They both pass and go to Grammar school, but child 2 shouldnt have done.
The following year a new system was introduced, and was the one my Son took. All pupils who want to take the 11 plus go to a local Grammar school on a Saturday morning and take three exams.
If there are 100 places available, the 100 who got the highest score in the exams are offered the places.
Very simple and very fair.
The fly in the ointment is till parents paying for professional coaching, although that isnt as easy under the new system, as the old system was mainly verbal reasoning rather than three different subjects.
We couldnt afford coaching, so swmbo bought all the relevant materials, taught herself the contents, then taught the kids in the evenings.
Nothing to stop other parents doing the same. Its a matter of priorites and commitment I suppose.
The n
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I should add that most of my time at grammar school was not productive.
I spent most of my time being either caned or slippered, when not suspended. :)
I was a bit of a rogue. :) ;)
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Although not perfect I believe grammar schools were pretty fair.
Kids attended based on ability and merit. There were no financial barriers.
Affirmative action for students, as in the USA, really boils my piss along with women only shortlists. If students are not there on academic merit they will and do struggle.
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Getting rid of Grammars in most of the country was the worst blow to social mobility in the UK in living memory.
Luckily we still have a few in Essex which both my kids benefitted greatly from.
They were retained across Norn Irn when they were killed off in England, but once Blair put former IRA murderers, who are all devout socialists in Govt, and they then took over education, they started to dismantle the system for purely dogmatic reasons.
A great shame. :(
We still have some in Kent, including the one I went to. One problem is that grammar schools - selective schools is the current and surprisingly accurate term - were meant to be only one part of a system, and some of the other parts are long since missing. All they do now is suck money and talent(pupils and teachers) away from other, bigger schools.
We shouldn't forget that grammar schools were meant to provide appropriately educated school leavers for white collar jobs with the top few percent sent to university, in the same way that technical schools(the biggest missing part) did for prospective tradesmen. Both the boys(they're almost always single sex, which is another outmoded decision) grammar schools here were started as that: one to teach maths for new naval officers(after 300 years it's still called Sir Joseph Williamson's Mathematical School and known as The Math) and what is now Holcombe Academy(another badly implemented, expensive and generally questionable idea) that was Chatham Technical High School for Boys when I started there in 1981. It had been founded to do the same thing for boys expected to get apprenticeships in the dockyard. By that time it was a grammar school in all but name, which was changed in summer 1982 to Chatham Grammar School for Boys - there was already one for girls.
Another problem is that pupils for these schools are selected when they're ten years old, and I doubt you'll find anyone who would approve of such deliberate social engineering of children at that age in any other way. That includes me and the other 3 members of my immediate family who all went to grammar schools. Their time has gone, but instead of improving the remaining schools and the education they provide, the time, effort and money had been spent on increasing the middle management and bureaucracy. The NHS has suffered similarly
The Labour push to send everyone to university, even for education that was better done on the job or as traditional apprenticeships, has done the education and employment of school leavers no favours either.
Not sure of the exact figure but I believe about 4% attended university when I left school. University recruited the best of the best, and it was all completely free.
Blair's idea that 50% should go to university is ridiculous. It means everyone and the 'cat's mother' can go, and then end up working at Burger King because they can't get the job they wanted.
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Not sure of the exact figure but I believe about 4% attended university when I left school. University recruited the best of the best, and it was all completely free.
Blair's idea that 50% should go to university is ridiculous. It means everyone and the 'cat's mother' can go, and then end up working at Burger King because they can't get the job they wanted.
Add to that the ridiculous courses on offer.......... A University Education used to mean something.
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Not sure of the exact figure but I believe about 4% attended university when I left school. University recruited the best of the best, and it was all completely free.
Blair's idea that 50% should go to university is ridiculous. It means everyone and the 'cat's mother' can go, and then end up working at Burger King because they can't get the job they wanted.
Add to that the ridiculous courses on offer.......... A University Education used to mean something.
Oxford and the other one ::)......it still can. But other than these I think are better career options out there.
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Left handed puppetry, German Polka history and underwater basket weaving all being more use than a Sociology degree :-X
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I finished up at the local Comprehensive and left at end of 5th year with a few "O" levels and a couple of C.S.E.s.First maths lesson and it was the deputy headmistress teaching it and as she got to my name on the register she looked at me and said "Are you any relation to Ian and Martin?" and I said "Yes miss they're my older brothers" at which her head went into her hands and she said "Oh,god another one" :D I knew then I was bound to go far at that school ::) ;D
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I finished up at the local Comprehensive and left at end of 5th year with a few "O" levels and a couple of C.S.E.s.First maths lesson and it was the deputy headmistress teaching it and as she got to my name on the register she looked at me and said "Are you any relation to Ian and Martin?" and I said "Yes miss they're my older brothers" at which her head went into her hands and she said "Oh,god another one" :D I knew then I was bound to go far at that school ::) ;D
Sounds so much better than the wanky PC word 'headteacher'
Headmistress has gravitas. :y
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The selection process changed for the better in the early 90,s.
The system which had been in place for decades, and the one my Daughter passed in its last year, the 11+ under was open to manipulation by Primary schools.
Example = Child 1 scores 98% in the exam and child 2 (parent is a school governer) scores 88%. School then grades them both as group A and they both get an average of one anothers scores - 93%.
They both pass and go to Grammar school, but child 2 shouldnt have done.
The following year a new system was introduced, and was the one my Son took. All pupils who want to take the 11 plus go to a local Grammar school on a Saturday morning and take three exams.
If there are 100 places available, the 100 who got the highest score in the exams are offered the places.
Very simple and very fair.
The fly in the ointment is till parents paying for professional coaching, although that isn't as easy under the new system, as the old system was mainly verbal reasoning rather than three different subjects.
You had a very different selection procedure than we did :o
I took the 11+ test(it's been called the Kent Test for years) early spring 1981. I was ten years old.
Scores weren't published, you either passed or failed. It was entirely written, with no verbal components and sat in normal school time. If there were more passes than places in each area, then the county examiners chose who did and didn't get a place - the teachers were not consulted. The actual exam results were not available even to the junior or secondary school head teachers. I should add that my mother was a junior school teacher; the head of Balfour CPS where I went was both a friend and former colleague of hers, and my father was a governer of the school I went to - none of them had access to the actual 'scores'.
Nobody I know of had extra-curriculum teaching. That is not the case today; I have a couple of teacher friends who supplement their income with extra tutoring to pass various exams, including the Kent Test. One of them does this for children who attend the local public school, which has fees of £10k a term!
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Left handed puppetry, German Polka history and underwater basket weaving all being more use than a Sociology degree :-X
Hence the joke:
How do you get a sociology graduate off your doorstep?
Pay for the pizza.
;D ;D
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I once told that joke and others(like How many Frenchmen does it take to defend Paris? Nobody knows, it hasn't been tried)to my cousin and quickly realised that she doesn't have much of a sense of humour. She is French though. Or maybe it struck a nerve with her Phd in renaissance art :)
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You've answered your own question there... It doesn't matter. Because she is French. ;D
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Nick W - I think I got the verbal reasoning part wrong. That was another kind of exam, but taken around the same time.
The kids took mock exams for which scores were published and gave the school an idea of who might pass or not, and allowed them to be categorised as A, B etc. by the Headmaster, who could then make his recommendations. This was not common knowledge, but those who thought they needed to know, knew how it worked and worked the system accordingly.
Being very active in the PTA or also being a teacher in another school and helping in this school when it was needed, was the sort of thing that could swing things in someones favour. When they took the real thing, I dont recall if the marks for the real exam were disclosed to parents or not, but I do know the Headmaster, under some pressure, admitted how the system worked, after it was all over and done.
It was the last year of that system, so he probably thought it didnt matter too much.
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The ladder and the rope:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulqATsIgXf8
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I think the grammar school education - which I "benefitted"* from - was in no way elitist, because attendance was on pure merit, not if your dad was in the old boys club.
I also believe it helped all levels of ability, as the brighter kids were not held back by the dimwits, and the dimwits were not left behind because the lessons were too advanced for them to follow.
*I have long believed I would have done better by not going (not that I did often), as the school was more into academia, and particularly more art subjects rather than science. Which is not the way my simple brain works. Out of us 5 kids, 2 went to the grammar school system, the other 3 didn't. The 2 that went to the grammar schools, one is almost unemployable, and I work for some tinpot telco. The 3 who went to the John Collet School for Thickos have all done rather well...
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I finished up at the local Comprehensive and left at end of 5th year with a few "O" levels and a couple of C.S.E.s.First maths lesson and it was the deputy headmistress teaching it and as she got to my name on the register she looked at me and said "Are you any relation to Ian and Martin?" and I said "Yes miss they're my older brothers" at which her head went into her hands and she said "Oh,god another one" :D I knew then I was bound to go far at that school ::) ;D
That's exactly what SWMBOs teacher said when she started secondary school in 1954. ;D Poor woman remembered her three elder sisters. ::)
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I think the grammar school education - which I "benefitted"* from - was in no way elitist, because attendance was on pure merit, not if your dad was in the old boys club.
I also believe it helped all levels of ability, as the brighter kids were not held back by the dimwits, and the dimwits were not left behind because the lessons were too advanced for them to follow.
*I have long believed I would have done better by not going (not that I did often), as the school was more into academia, and particularly more art subjects rather than science. Which is not the way my simple brain works. Out of us 5 kids, 2 went to the grammar school system, the other 3 didn't. The 2 that went to the grammar schools, one is almost unemployable, and I work for some tinpot telco. The 3 who went to the John Collet School for Thickos have all done rather well...
Despite being from Brackley TB has this spot on. :)
I also have siblings some of whom went to a grammar, and some of which went to a comprehensive.
Most have done better than me. Although my sister describes her comprehensive education as 'the organised production of mass mediocrity' :D
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Newpod:
What if you win all £49million on tonight's lottery...
Would you be happy to redistribute all of it equally to everyone on benefits?
If you work hard and get to a point where you have six figures in savings, would you be happy to be reset so that someone who couldn't be bothered was given most of it so that you each had the same?
Or be forced to give up any rental properties leaving you with the smallest property for your needs ie a studio/1 bed if there's only two of you?
I ask because that's fundamentally what you are advocating...
And where does it stop? Cars? Bicycles? Food? Water? Medication?
No they can.all opps right off and get a job.
£49 million you say?
My aspirations could not consume that much, and after I've distributed it wisely to family and friends, there will be about 15 million for redistribution. Homelessness, as in rough sleeping and debt Due to mental.health issues are where i.would start my focus. Obviously I'd be looking for paid advisors and I'd definately start at OFF because I feel sure we've got the brightest and yet most kind and understanding demographic.
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Newpod:
What if you win all £49million on tonight's lottery...
Would you be happy to redistribute all of it equally to everyone on benefits?
If you work hard and get to a point where you have six figures in savings, would you be happy to be reset so that someone who couldn't be bothered was given most of it so that you each had the same?
Or be forced to give up any rental properties leaving you with the smallest property for your needs ie a studio/1 bed if there's only two of you?
I ask because that's fundamentally what you are advocating...
And where does it stop? Cars? Bicycles? Food? Water? Medication?
No they can.all opps right off and get a job.
£49 million you say?
My aspirations could not consume that much, and after I've distributed it wisely to family and friends, there will be about 15 million for redistribution. Homelessness, as in rough sleeping and debt Due to mental.health issues are where i.would start my focus. Obviously I'd be looking for paid advisors and I'd definately start at OFF because I feel sure we've got the brightest and yet most kind and understanding demographic.
Not enough Os and too many Fs Pod. ;)
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How very philanthropic of you. £34 million for personal use?
I rest my case :-X
Personally speaking, I would buy a handful of nice, but not flashy properties in places that I would like to spend time, a small fund for my cousins little girl, a couple of million in a pension pot.
And then set up a non profit for the remaining £40 million or so.
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I think the grammar school education - which I "benefitted"* from - was in no way elitist, because attendance was on pure merit, not if your dad was in the old boys club.
I also believe it helped all levels of ability, as the brighter kids were not held back by the dimwits, and the dimwits were not left behind because the lessons were too advanced for them to follow.
*I have long believed I would have done better by not going (not that I did often), as the school was more into academia, and particularly more art subjects rather than science. Which is not the way my simple brain works. Out of us 5 kids, 2 went to the grammar school system, the other 3 didn't. The 2 that went to the grammar schools, one is almost unemployable, and I work for some tinpot telco. The 3 who went to the John Collet School for Thickos have all done rather well...
Despite being from Brackley TB has this spot on. :)
I also have siblings some of whom went to a grammar, and some of which went to a comprehensive.
Most have done better than me. Although my sister describes her comprehensive education as 'the organised production of mass mediocrity' :D
Out of interest, what do you make of this?
https://youtu.be/4-C2i9Iq9vY
I believe it still exists.
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The ladder and the rope:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulqATsIgXf8
Good analogy. :y
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I think the grammar school education - which I "benefitted"* from - was in no way elitist, because attendance was on pure merit, not if your dad was in the old boys club.
I also believe it helped all levels of ability, as the brighter kids were not held back by the dimwits, and the dimwits were not left behind because the lessons were too advanced for them to follow.
*I have long believed I would have done better by not going (not that I did often), as the school was more into academia, and particularly more art subjects rather than science. Which is not the way my simple brain works. Out of us 5 kids, 2 went to the grammar school system, the other 3 didn't. The 2 that went to the grammar schools, one is almost unemployable, and I work for some tinpot telco. The 3 who went to the John Collet School for Thickos have all done rather well...
Despite being from Brackley TB has this spot on. :)
I also have siblings some of whom went to a grammar, and some of which went to a comprehensive.
Most have done better than me. Although my sister describes her comprehensive education as 'the organised production of mass mediocrity' :D
Out of interest, what do you make of this?
https://youtu.be/4-C2i9Iq9vY
I believe it still exists.
I would have loved Summerhill. :y
Would it have been beneficial overall?......I really don't know.
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Summerhill was part of a college course I did - I got that learning and teaching don't always achieve the intended outcomes, but also wasn't sure this method worked every time (which the founder seemed to believe).
It probably didn't help that Lord of the Flies was in the same course.
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Getting rid of Grammars in most of the country was the worst blow to social mobility in the UK in living memory.
Luckily we still have a few in Essex which both my kids benefitted greatly from.
They were retained across Norn Irn when they were killed off in England, but once Blair put former IRA murderers, who are all devout socialists in Govt, and they then took over education, they started to dismantle the system for purely dogmatic reasons.
A great shame. :(
We still have some in Kent, including the one I went to. One problem is that grammar schools - selective schools is the current and surprisingly accurate term - were meant to be only one part of a system, and some of the other parts are long since missing. All they do now is suck money and talent(pupils and teachers) away from other, bigger schools.
We shouldn't forget that grammar schools were meant to provide appropriately educated school leavers for white collar jobs with the top few percent sent to university, in the same way that technical schools(the biggest missing part) did for prospective tradesmen. Both the boys(they're almost always single sex, which is another outmoded decision) grammar schools here were started as that: one to teach maths for new naval officers(after 300 years it's still called Sir Joseph Williamson's Mathematical School and known as The Math) and what is now Holcombe Academy(another badly implemented, expensive and generally questionable idea) that was Chatham Technical High School for Boys when I started there in 1981. It had been founded to do the same thing for boys expected to get apprenticeships in the dockyard. By that time it was a grammar school in all but name, which was changed in summer 1982 to Chatham Grammar School for Boys - there was already one for girls.
Another problem is that pupils for these schools are selected when they're ten years old, and I doubt you'll find anyone who would approve of such deliberate social engineering of children at that age in any other way. That includes me and the other 3 members of my immediate family who all went to grammar schools. Their time has gone, but instead of improving the remaining schools and the education they provide, the time, effort and money had been spent on increasing the middle management and bureaucracy. The NHS has suffered similarly
The Labour push to send everyone to university, even for education that was better done on the job or as traditional apprenticeships, has done the education and employment of school leavers no favours either.
Not perfect but then what is. What would you suggest as a better alternative, Nick.
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Not perfect but then what is. What would you suggest as a better alternative, Nick.
A good comprehensive does everything. Lots of emphasis is needed on the good. But that's true of all schools, as there have been some very poor grammars.
Comps have long been considered second class in areas that have grammars which would be a hard thing to change. When working properly the necessary selection of the various streams can be done continuously, although annually is more likely.
What's really needed is for various governments to stop interfering with education(just like other areas) every few years, and to have systems in place to improve the poor schools. Some of those are saddled with their catchment areas which is another hard problem to solve. We seem able to find lots of money to create academies, but all those really do is add redundant bureaucracy into a system that is already too complex.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/teach/class-clips-video/rse-ks2-identity-understanding-sexual-and-gender-identities/zfqrhbk (https://www.bbc.co.uk/teach/class-clips-video/rse-ks2-identity-understanding-sexual-and-gender-identities/zfqrhbk)
Slightly off the grammar or comprehensive debate. Here we have the BBC indoctrination of 8 to 12 year olds. Some of the kids seem worried and scared, rather than curious.
The one teacher tells the kids there are over 100 different genders .Being a neanderthal I was unaware of this believing instead there were just two genders, and self identification.
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You said it.....Neanderthal. ;D
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Ferkin evil bastards. Leave the kids alone FFS. Teach them something tidy! 100 genders my arse, Cock and Fanny. That’s it End of.
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I find it disturbing the way the BBC tends to focus on a tiny minority in such a way that it makes the abnormal appear normal.
The vast majority of boys will be attracted to girls, and the vast majority of girls will be attracted to boys. It's natural and has been this way since the dawn of time.
Over 100 genders FFS ;D.....laughable for an adult, but for an 8-12 year old probably enough to give them nightmares. :-\
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Ferkin evil bastards. Leave the kids alone FFS. Teach them something tidy! 100 genders my arse, Cock and Fanny. That’s it End of.
Agreed.....if they were teaching the boys where the clit is located I could run with it ::)........but no lesbian/trans teacher will do that because it wouldn't be woke.
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I find it disturbing the way the BBC tends to focus on a tiny minority in such a way that it makes the abnormal appear normal.
The vast majority of boys will be attracted to girls, and the vast majority of girls will be attracted to boys. It's natural and has been this way since the dawn of time.
Over 100 genders FFS ;D.....laughable for an adult, but for an 8-12 year old probably enough to give them nightmares. :-\
The point you're missing here is that the kids, once out of the learning environment and back with their parents/family/friends, can see for themselves exactly how the world works. They carry no more of that lesson on to the streets/football field/dinner table than they do maths or english.
Kids are not stupid and they, more often than not, dismiss this stuff as 'something the teacher said at school'.
The whole point of these lessons is to promote tolerance, not to turn healthy young lads into homosexuals. You are an excellent example of what schools are trying to prevent. ;D
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I find it disturbing the way the BBC tends to focus on a tiny minority in such a way that it makes the abnormal appear normal.
The vast majority of boys will be attracted to girls, and the vast majority of girls will be attracted to boys. It's natural and has been this way since the dawn of time.
Over 100 genders FFS ;D.....laughable for an adult, but for an 8-12 year old probably enough to give them nightmares. :-\
The point you're missing here is that the kids, once out of the learning environment and back with their parents/family/friends, can see for themselves exactly how the world works. They carry no more of that lesson on to the streets/football field/dinner table than they do maths or english.
Kids are not stupid and they, more often than not, dismiss this stuff as 'something the teacher said at school'.
The whole point of these lessons is to promote tolerance, not to turn healthy young lads into homosexuals. You are an excellent example of what schools are trying to prevent. ;D
I'm surprised you endorse this type of indoctrination.
You're right when you say kids are not stupid, but they are certainly impressionable to what they hear from adults they trust.
Barely any mention of boy likes girl in this video.......which is how 99% of how the world works.
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When I was a kid I was always trying to trip the teachers up, metaphorically. When that teacher said there were over 100 gender identities, I would have asked her to name them, and see how many she got. ;D
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I find it disturbing the way the BBC tends to focus on a tiny minority in such a way that it makes the abnormal appear normal.
The vast majority of boys will be attracted to girls, and the vast majority of girls will be attracted to boys. It's natural and has been this way since the dawn of time.
Over 100 genders FFS ;D.....laughable for an adult, but for an 8-12 year old probably enough to give them nightmares. :-\
The point you're missing here is that the kids, once out of the learning environment and back with their parents/family/friends, can see for themselves exactly how the world works. They carry no more of that lesson on to the streets/football field/dinner table than they do maths or english.
Kids are not stupid and they, more often than not, dismiss this stuff as 'something the teacher said at school'.
The whole point of these lessons is to promote tolerance, not to turn healthy young lads into homosexuals. You are an excellent example of what schools are trying to prevent. ;D
I'm surprised you endorse this type of indoctrination.
You're right when you say kids are not stupid, but they are certainly impressionable to what they hear from adults they trust.
Barely any mention of boy likes girl in this video.......which is how 99% of the wold works.
The indoctrination is in your mind. Go and watch your back catalogue of love thy neighbour. ;D
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PSHE, Personal, social and health education, is a very small part of the curriculum, about 40 minutes per week. Gender identification is a very small part of PSHE, so a child may get, over the course of a term, about an hour of it. It is not drummed into them on a daily basis and parents can opt out of gender identification if they wish. Stop spreading rubbish, based on your own narrow views, after watching a tiny snippet of what is available on educational tv programmes.
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When I was a kid I was always trying to trip the teachers up, metaphorically. When that teacher said there were over 100 gender identities, I would have asked her to name them, and see how many she got. ;D
The worrying thing is that she did 'irresponsibly' say this and that this 'woke crap' was not questioned by any of the other teachers in the video, or by the BBC.
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When I was a kid I was always trying to trip the teachers up, metaphorically. When that teacher said there were over 100 gender identities, I would have asked her to name them, and see how many she got. ;D
The worrying thing is that she did 'irresponsibly' say this and that this 'woke crap' was not questioned by any of the other teachers in the video, or by the BBC.
There's that hollow noise again. She was answering the questions that the kids posed, she didn't set the agenda.
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PSHE, Personal, social and health education, is a very small part of the curriculum, about 40 minutes per week. Gender identification is a very small part of PSHE, so a child may get, over the course of a term, about an hour of it. It is not drummed into them on a daily basis and parents can opt out of gender identification if they wish. Stop spreading rubbish, based on your own narrow views, after watching a tiny snippet of what is available on educational tv programmes.
Have checked out the BBC content on this subject. It is vast.
I imagine North Korea has a similar way of indoctrinating it's children with sex education......although I imagine they prefer the old fashioned boy is attracted to girl version.
When kids have had their fill of this the BBC has plenty of other 'informed earning aids' to help with their education. White privilege.The evils of white race. The oppression of black people by white people. The list is endless.
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PSHE, Personal, social and health education, is a very small part of the curriculum, about 40 minutes per week. Gender identification is a very small part of PSHE, so a child may get, over the course of a term, about an hour of it. It is not drummed into them on a daily basis and parents can opt out of gender identification if they wish. Stop spreading rubbish, based on your own narrow views, after watching a tiny snippet of what is available on educational tv programmes.
Have checked out the BBC content on this subject. It is vast.
I imagine North Korea has a similar way of indoctrinating it's children with sex education......although I imagine they prefer the old fashioned boy is attracted to girl version.
When kids have had their fill of this the BBC has plenty of other 'informed earning aids' to help with their education. White privilege.The evils of white race. The oppression of black people by white people. The list is endless.
You should join QAnon, you'd be a senior member in no time. ;D
Write the endless list, then, let's see it.
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When I was a kid I was always trying to trip the teachers up, metaphorically. When that teacher said there were over 100 gender identities, I would have asked her to name them, and see how many she got. ;D
The worrying thing is that she did 'irresponsibly' say this and that this 'woke crap' was not questioned by any of the other teachers in the video, or by the BBC.
There's that hollow noise again. She was answering the questions that the kids posed, she didn't set the agenda.
Yes.....and her answer was the ridiculous " there are more than 100 genders" It's just crazy .But nobody ( no adult ) says hold on that's nor right. :-X
My teachers tended to have the correct answer.
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And another tip for you: stop watching a tv channel that you despise. By doing this, and paying for your tv licence, you are actually funding the organisation you hate so much.
Or...write to points of view, or you MP, or the prime minister. Sign your letter 'outraged of S Lincs'.
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It appears I am not the only one who thinks this woke crap is indefensible. It seems there plenty of neanderthals other than myself. :)
https://twitter.com/DefundBBC/status/1353301817812258816 (https://twitter.com/DefundBBC/status/1353301817812258816)
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Yep like I said two genders, anyone teaching otherwise is brainwashing.
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It appears I am not the only one who thinks this woke crap is indefensible. It seems there plenty of neanderthals other than myself. :)
https://twitter.com/DefundBBC/status/1353301817812258816 (https://twitter.com/DefundBBC/status/1353301817812258816)
Oh, there'll always be a protest group, like QAnon. Have a rant with them on Twitter, then everyone will agree with you and you can pretend that you are all right and everyone else is wrong.
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Yep like I said two genders, anyone teaching otherwise is brainwashing.
Vroom, vroom. ;D
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Right. That's enough entertainment on here, footie now.
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Yeah before I kick off............ ;D
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Yep like I said two genders, anyone teaching otherwise is brainwashing.
I knew this FACT by the time I was 3 or 4 years old. It's not 'wokery' but belongs to the world of common sense. :)
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Yep like I said two genders, anyone teaching otherwise is brainwashing.
You are conflating sex and gender. They mean very different things.
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That's a linguistic discrepancy.
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Yep like I said two genders, anyone teaching otherwise is brainwashing.
You are conflating sex and gender. They mean very different things.
Only since about 2004. Before this they were seen as one and the same, and rightly so. :)
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That's a linguistic discrepancy.
No it's two precise definitions, which are at the heart of the discussion. Both in education and this thread.
Applying some intellectual rigour would make a lot of rants redundant, and lower a lot of ranters blood pressure.....
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Yep like I said two genders, anyone teaching otherwise is brainwashing.
You are conflating sex and gender. They mean very different things.
Only since about 2004. Before this they were seen as one and the same, and rightly so. :)
'dangle berries'!!
I was taught the difference between the two in both English and German lessons. In 1981. At a grammar school.
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If boys and girls are brought up to believe they will be attracted to the opposite sex, that will usually be the result.
Throw into the mix they can also 'choose' to a 'trans' person in one of a hundred flavours and the numbers will rise.
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I recall once reading about about Guinea-pigs and sexing them... Would have been in the early eighties.
The confusion comes from using 'sex' as both a noun and an adjective.
Perhaps 'gender' and 'coitus' would be clearer... 🤔
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https://youtu.be/AfzL8BrNSLQ (https://youtu.be/AfzL8BrNSLQ)
If you are really woke and hip why not have a 'theyby' rather than a baby.
These kids will be so f*ucked up by the time they reach puberty the cost of therapy will run into thousands.
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That's a linguistic discrepancy.
No it's two precise definitions, which are at the heart of the discussion. Both in education and this thread.
Applying some intellectual rigour would make a lot of rants redundant, and lower a lot of ranters blood pressure.....
You're talking to Opti FFS, he's as intellectual as Alf Garnet ;D
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Is he? ::)
;D
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Is he? ::)
;D
Maybe not.
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Old Alf talked a lot of sense sometimes. :P ;D
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Old Alf talked a lot of sense sometimes. :P ;D
He said I was a scarse git, whatever one of them is :o
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I meant that Nick wasn't replying to the sausage smuggler ;D
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Yep like I said two genders, anyone teaching otherwise is brainwashing.
You are conflating sex and gender. They mean very different things.
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Not to kids of the age we are discussing
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I meant that Nick wasn't replying to the sausage smuggler ;D
That's what I said, Opti.
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Till death us do part actually provided a balanced view on race.
Old Alf may have been a bigot, but he was kept in line by his daughter and the lazy work shy scouse git...... both of whom would be considered 'woke' today.
Brilliant script writers from the days before political correctness.
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Old Alf talked a lot of sense sometimes. :P ;D
He said I was a scarse git, whatever one of them is :o
Point proven then. ;D
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Yep like I said two genders, anyone teaching otherwise is brainwashing.
You are conflating sex and gender. They mean very different things.
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Not to kids of the age we are discussing
You're speaking common sense, Rae. I'm not sure if that is appropriate in 2021. ;D
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Till death us do part actually provided a balanced view on race.
Old Alf may have been a bigot, but he was kept in line by his daughter and the lazy work shy scouse git...... both of whom would be considered 'woke' today.
Brilliant script writers from the days before political correctness.
Opti used to be the resident leftie on OOF.Look what we did to him. New POD better be careful. He will be an arch Thatcherite if he stays here long enough. ;D
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Yep like I said two genders, anyone teaching otherwise is brainwashing.
You are conflating sex and gender. They mean very different things.
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Not to kids of the age we are discussing
You're speaking common sense, Rae. I'm not sure if that is appropriate in 2021. ;D
Its basically illegal in many parts of London and around most Universities. It gets you "cancelled" and renders you unemployable. ;D
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Till death us do part actually provided a balanced view on race.
Old Alf may have been a bigot, but he was kept in line by his daughter and the lazy work shy scouse git...... both of whom would be considered 'woke' today.
Brilliant script writers from the days before political correctness.
Opti used to be the resident leftie on OOF.Look what we did to him. New POD better be careful. He will be an arch Thatcherite if he stays here long enough. ;D
Yes, I've noticed that. Him and that Scottish chap iirc.
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I believe in socialism to the extent of fair play and equality of opportunity.....not outcome
Sadly though the Labour party has moved ever further to the left making it irrelevant. It no longer has any interest in the 'working classes' after they voted for Brexit.
The labour party today is no more than a protest party. It will never get enough votes to form a government if the only people who support it are gays, trans, and black people with a victim mentality.
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Till death us do part actually provided a balanced view on race.
Old Alf may have been a bigot, but he was kept in line by his daughter and the lazy work shy scouse git...... both of whom would be considered 'woke' today.
Brilliant script writers from the days before political correctness.
Opti used to be the resident leftie on OOF.Look what we did to him. New POD better be careful. He will be an arch Thatcherite if he stays here long enough. ;D
Yes, I've noticed that. Him and that Scottish chap iirc.
Banjax. :y
Fair play and equality of opportunity are little if anything to do with Socialism. ;)
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Lisa Nandy......a nice pair of tits wasted. :-\
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Yep like I said two genders, anyone teaching otherwise is brainwashing.
You are conflating sex and gender. They mean very different things.
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Not to kids of the age we are discussing
That would require they each live in solitary confinement and have never seen another body. Of either sex. Or species for that matter.
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Yep like I said two genders, anyone teaching otherwise is brainwashing.
You are conflating sex and gender. They mean very different things.
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Not to kids of the age we are discussing
That would require they each live in solitary confinement and have never seen another body. Of either sex. Or species for that matter.
Strewth......and I thought I was a lefty way back when. :D
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Till death us do part actually provided a balanced view on race.
Old Alf may have been a bigot, but he was kept in line by his daughter and the lazy work shy scouse git...... both of whom would be considered 'woke' today.
Brilliant script writers from the days before political correctness.
Opti used to be the resident leftie on OOF.Look what we did to him. New POD better be careful. He will be an arch Thatcherite if he stays here long enough. ;D
Yes, I've noticed that. Him and that Scottish chap iirc.
Banjax. :y
Fair play and equality of opportunity are little if anything to do with Socialism. ;)
I think he was called Banjocks because he came from the land of the 'manskirt' ;D
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I believe in socialism to the extent of fair play and equality of opportunity.....not outcome
Sadly though the Labour party has moved ever further to the left making it irrelevant. It no longer has any interest in the 'working classes' after they voted for Brexit.
Considering that unions are far less powerful than they used to be, Corbyn didn't last long, and that even the so-called communist countries are declining you could argue that the Labour party has moved further to the centre. Look at recent leaders for an example: Blair or Starmer would make respectable centrist Tories.
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He drove a Subaru Forester iirc.
I can remember the most useless things from years ago, but not where i put my keys 2 minutes ago. ::) :D
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I believe in socialism to the extent of fair play and equality of opportunity.....not outcome
Sadly though the Labour party has moved ever further to the left making it irrelevant. It no longer has any interest in the 'working classes' after they voted for Brexit.
Considering that unions are far less powerful than they used to be, Corbyn didn't last long, and that even the so-called communist countries are declining you could argue that the Labour party has moved further to the centre. Look at recent leaders for an example: Blair or Starmer would make respectable centrist Tories.
I agree, but that's another reason why they'll find it difficult to get elected. Too far left and they're communists, nearer the centre and they're 'soft' tories.
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With regard to trans people.....
If they feel they are in the wrong body and they are willing to go through a series extremely traumatic operations to add/remove tits..... take away/or add a 'john thomas' then good luck to them.
However, a man wearing a fetching frock and saying he now wants to identify as a woman can go f*uck himself. :)
Did anyone see Bernard Bresslaw in Carry on Nurse?
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I believe in socialism to the extent of fair play and equality of opportunity.....not outcome
Sadly though the Labour party has moved ever further to the left making it irrelevant. It no longer has any interest in the 'working classes' after they voted for Brexit.
Considering that unions are far less powerful than they used to be, Corbyn didn't last long, and that even the so-called communist countries are declining you could argue that the Labour party has moved further to the centre. Look at recent leaders for an example: Blair or Starmer would make respectable centrist Tories.
I agree, but that's another reason why they'll find it difficult to get elected. Too far left and they're communists, nearer the centre and they're 'soft' tories.
Yes....Blair was essentially a Tory which is probably why he won 3 elections.
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Unions are much more powerful than ever in the public sector (which is a huge problem) but are all but dead in the private sector.
I dont think China is on the decline unfortunately.
Blair and Starmer would be able to fit into any party they chose, because they dont believe in anything. They are highly trained lawyers, so are able to advocate opposing viewpoints with equal apparent conviction and sincerity, just like they would in a courtroom depending on whether they are defending or prosecuting.
Thats why Politics is stuffed full of lawyers nowadays and there is a dire lack of conviction Politicians.
Strangely, the reason Corbyn got hammered was Brexit. If he had been the man of Conviction and principle his image portrayed him to be. he would have been fully on board with Brexit.
He hated the EU / EEC/ Common market his whole life. But he sat on the fence, talked out of both sides of his mouth at the same time, and was exposed as the chancer he really is and lost the North of England in the process.
Then had to stand down.
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Yep like I said two genders, anyone teaching otherwise is brainwashing.
You are conflating sex and gender. They mean very different things.
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Not to kids of the age we are discussing
That would require they each live in solitary confinement and have never seen another body. Of either sex. Or species for that matter.
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No, not in the context you’ve replied in. I had a mother and father, I knew who was what.
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Yep like I said two genders, anyone teaching otherwise is brainwashing.
You are conflating sex and gender. They mean very different things.
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Not to kids of the age we are discussing
That would require they each live in solitary confinement and have never seen another body. Of either sex. Or species for that matter.
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No, not in the context you’ve replied in. I had a mother and father, I knew who was what.
Which is exactly my point ???
What makes you think modern children are so stupid not to see the same?
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Stop the bus!
Did someone just use 'Tony Blair' and 'respectable' in the same sentence? :o
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Yep like I said two genders, anyone teaching otherwise is brainwashing.
You are conflating sex and gender. They mean very different things.
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Not to kids of the age we are discussing
That would require they each live in solitary confinement and have never seen another body. Of either sex. Or species for that matter.
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No, not in the context you’ve replied in. I had a mother and father, I knew who was what.
Which is exactly my point ???
What makes you think modern children are so stupid not to see the same?
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Not stupid but easier to influence maybe, I can’t see the point in wasting school time peddling that crap, they have enough on their plate getting Religion rammed down their throats, if they want to know about it let them learn themselves when they are at an age to formulate an understanding for themselves. With all the additions to what’s taught in school lately teachers will not have enough time to teach them the basic three Rs.
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Yep like I said two genders, anyone teaching otherwise is brainwashing.
You are conflating sex and gender. They mean very different things.
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Not to kids of the age we are discussing
That would require they each live in solitary confinement and have never seen another body. Of either sex. Or species for that matter.
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No, not in the context you’ve replied in. I had a mother and father, I knew who was what.
Which is exactly my point ???
What makes you think modern children are so stupid not to see the same?
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Not stupid but easier to influence maybe, I can’t see the point in wasting school time peddling that crap, they have enough on their plate getting Religion rammed down their throats, if they want to know about it let them learn themselves when they are at an age to formulate an understanding for themselves. With all the additions to what’s taught in school lately teachers will not have enough time to teach them the basic three Rs.
Don't forget teachers have to have policies in place to recognise and report, Female genital mutilation, drug dealing, radicalisation, domestic violence, child sexual exploitation, forced marriage, unexplained absence and any other misfortune that may occur. It's not the job people remember and it's not for the easily upset.
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Don't forget teachers have to have policies in place to recognise and report, Female genital mutilation, drug dealing, radicalisation, domestic violence, child sexual exploitation, forced marriage, unexplained absence and any other misfortune that may occur. It's not the job people remember and it's not for the easily upset.
Yep, not a job I'd fancy doing
when you do it well, no one notices :(
But I agree with Rae , teach Kids the basics , the weird stuff and disappointment LIFE will teach them in time
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I’m a firm believer of live and let live, don’t get me wrong, but, let’s have a bit of good old fashioned common sense, as stemo says teachers are getting far to many jobs added on to an already busy job.
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The ONLY reason teachers have all this on their plate is because society has become a wet-fart.
Since when did White not be White and Black not be Black? Do you have a penis? If so, you are Male. Do you have a Vagina? If so you are Female.
Sorry, but this boils my piss.
Let's say an average Primary school has 200 Students. If just one of those little kids decides (or more likely the parent decides) that the kid identifies as a oppsing toaster, the other 199 have to be taught why.
Bolicks.
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Plus , how many sets of toilets will be required :-\
most places have a male toilet and a female toilet :P
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Plus , how many sets of toilets will be required :-\
most places have a male toilet and a female toilet :P
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🤭😂😂
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Don't forget teachers have to have policies in place to recognise and report, Female genital mutilation, drug dealing, radicalisation, domestic violence, child sexual exploitation, forced marriage, unexplained absence and any other misfortune that may occur. It's not the job people remember and it's not for the easily upset.
Yep, not a job I'd fancy doing
when you do it well, no one notices :(
But I agree with Rae , teach Kids the basics , the weird stuff and disappointment LIFE will teach them in time
Agreed...... 8 and 9 year old kids don't want or need the politics of white male London elites, with a womb. :)
Can you imagine Erdogan in Turkey or Putin allowing this shit.
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Stop the bus!
Did someone just use 'Tony Blair' and 'respectable' in the same sentence? :o
Is it me? Or does there seem to be some sort of effort to rehabilitate that Tuesday Blair recently? :-\
Even Farage was praising him the other day, saying that he was talking sense about vaccination and even suggested that he be put in charge of the vaccine programme! :o >:(
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I mentioned Blair......but not respectable. :)
He started off all this woke shit with all women shortlists. :-\
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Blair is a shithouse
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Totaly agree with that
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Plus , how many sets of toilets will be required :-\
most places have a male toilet and a female toilet :P
Not any more. Lots of places now have gender neutral toilets these days. Something I think is fickin ludicrous.
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Don't forget teachers have to have policies in place to recognise and report, Female genital mutilation, drug dealing, radicalisation, domestic violence, child sexual exploitation, forced marriage, unexplained absence and any other misfortune that may occur. It's not the job people remember and it's not for the easily upset.
Yep, not a job I'd fancy doing
when you do it well, no one notices :(
But I agree with Rae , teach Kids the basics , the weird stuff and disappointment LIFE will teach them in time
Holidays are good.
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Plus , how many sets of toilets will be required :-\
most places have a male toilet and a female toilet :P
Not any more. Lots of places now have gender neutral toilets these days. Something I think is fickin ludicrous.
Gender neutral toilets make sense these days when a fella can 'self identify' as a female and wander into the ladies for a pee! ;D
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Plus , how many sets of toilets will be required :-\
most places have a male toilet and a female toilet :P
Not any more. Lots of places now have gender neutral toilets these days. Something I think is fickin ludicrous.
Gender neutral toilets make sense these days when a fella can 'self identify' as a female and wander into the ladies for a pee! ;D
Some of the man-hating feminists are really pissed about this, but it seems they have been hoisted by their own petard. ;D ;D
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Indeed. They have weaved themselves into a tangled mess. :)
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Indeed. They have weaved themselves into a tangled mess. :)
Pretty soon all athletics records, including those held by women, will be held by men.
This will further annoy the feminists. :)
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The female athletes made that very observation about ten seconds after Sleepy Joe signed the EO making it so.
Utter, utter madness >:(
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The national women's football team could be interesting.
I hope they don't get confused with 23 balls on the pitch. ;D
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The female athletes made that very observation about ten seconds after Sleepy Joe signed the EO making it so.
Utter, utter madness >:(
Yes......I feel sorry for those women born without a penis. It hardly seems fair.
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The national women's football team could be interesting.
I hope they don'rt get confused with 23 balls on the pitch. ;D
The FA should become more 'progressive' and identify the England B team as the women's team. See how that goes! ::) :)
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The young lady in the centre recently won a major cycling title. I can't really see that she has any physical advantage... ::) ::)
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Don't forget teachers have to have policies in place to recognise and report, Female genital mutilation, drug dealing, radicalisation, domestic violence, child sexual exploitation, forced marriage, unexplained absence and any other misfortune that may occur. It's not the job people remember and it's not for the easily upset.
Yep, not a job I'd fancy doing
when you do it well, no one notices :(
But I agree with Rae , teach Kids the basics , the weird stuff and disappointment LIFE will teach them in time
Holidays are good.
Knock, knock. Yep, still hollow.
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I feel genuinely sorry for 'real women' who may be forced to compete against 'chicks with dicks' all in the name of wokeness and political correctness.
I know Sharon Davies and Paula Ratcliffe amongst others have spoken out about this.
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I feel genuinely sorry for 'real women' who may be forced to compete against 'chicks with dicks' all in the name of wokeness and political correctness.
I know Sharon Davies and Paula Ratcliffe amongst others have spoken out about this.
Sharron Davies and Paula Radcliffe ::)
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I feel genuinely sorry for 'real women' who may be forced to compete against 'chicks with dicks' all in the name of wokeness and political correctness.
I know Sharon Davies and Paula Ratcliffe amongst others have spoken out about this.
Sharron Davies and Paula Radcliffe ::)
I hope they don't take it personally.......'Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned' and all that stuff. ;D ;D
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I feel genuinely sorry for 'real women' who may be forced to compete against 'chicks with dicks' all in the name of wokeness and political correctness.
I know Sharon Davies and Paula Ratcliffe amongst others have spoken out about this.
Sharron Davies and Paula Radcliffe ::)
I hope they don't take it personally.......'Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned' and all that stuff. ;D ;D
I doubt very much they'll be reading posts on here.
And, if they did, you'd most certainly be on their ignore list.
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I feel genuinely sorry for 'real women' who may be forced to compete against 'chicks with dicks' all in the name of wokeness and political correctness.
I know Sharon Davies and Paula Ratcliffe amongst others have spoken out about this.
Sharron Davies and Paula Radcliffe ::)
I hope they don't take it personally.......'Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned' and all that stuff. ;D ;D
I doubt very much they'll be reading posts on here.
And, if they did, you'd most certainly be on their ignore list.
Nah....not with my charm. :)
I always liked Sharron Davies. I remember her swimming at the Montreal Olympic games in 1976,. I think she was about 14.
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I feel genuinely sorry for 'real women' who may be forced to compete against 'chicks with dicks' all in the name of wokeness and political correctness.
I know Sharon Davies and Paula Ratcliffe amongst others have spoken out about this.
Sharron Davies and Paula Radcliffe ::)
I hope they don't take it personally.......'Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned' and all that stuff. ;D ;D
I doubt very much they'll be reading posts on here.
And, if they did, you'd most certainly be on their ignore list.
Nah....not with my charm. :)
I always liked Sharron Davies. I remember her swimming at the Montreal Olympic games in 1976,. I think she was about 14.
Married a gentleman of colour, iirc.
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I feel genuinely sorry for 'real women' who may be forced to compete against 'chicks with dicks' all in the name of wokeness and political correctness.
I know Sharon Davies and Paula Ratcliffe amongst others have spoken out about this.
Sharron Davies and Paula Radcliffe ::)
I hope they don't take it personally.......'Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned' and all that stuff. ;D ;D
I doubt very much they'll be reading posts on here.
And, if they did, you'd most certainly be on their ignore list.
Nah....not with my charm. :)
I always liked Sharron Davies. I remember her swimming at the Montreal Olympic games in 1976,. I think she was about 14.
She came to my school to give out prizes or something when I was about 14-15, and we were gutted that she didn't wear her swimsuit on stage! ;D
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I bet you were!😛
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I feel genuinely sorry for 'real women' who may be forced to compete against 'chicks with dicks' all in the name of wokeness and political correctness.
I know Sharon Davies and Paula Ratcliffe amongst others have spoken out about this.
Sharron Davies and Paula Radcliffe ::)
I hope they don't take it personally.......'Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned' and all that stuff. ;D ;D
I doubt very much they'll be reading posts on here.
And, if they did, you'd most certainly be on their ignore list.
Nah....not with my charm. :)
I always liked Sharron Davies. I remember her swimming at the Montreal Olympic games in 1976,. I think she was about 14.
She came to my school to give out prizes or something when I was about 14-15, and we were gutted that she didn't wear her swimsuit on stage! ;D
Even as 'a more mature woman' ::) she is still attractive and feminine. Just be grateful you didn't have a trans woman (in the form of a 17 stone welder in a fetching frock) giving out prizes in a bikini. :D
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I feel genuinely sorry for 'real women' who may be forced to compete against 'chicks with dicks' all in the name of wokeness and political correctness.
I know Sharon Davies and Paula Ratcliffe amongst others have spoken out about this.
Sharron Davies and Paula Radcliffe ::)
I hope they don't take it personally.......'Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned' and all that stuff. ;D ;D
I doubt very much they'll be reading posts on here.
And, if they did, you'd most certainly be on their ignore list.
Nah....not with my charm. :)
I always liked Sharron Davies. I remember her swimming at the Montreal Olympic games in 1976,. I think she was about 14.
She came to my school to give out prizes or something when I was about 14-15, and we were gutted that she didn't wear her swimsuit on stage! ;D
Even as 'a more mature woman' ::) she is still attractive and feminine. Just be grateful you didn't have a trans woman (in the form of a 17 stone welder in a fetching frock) giving out prizes in a bikini. :D
I think she would have be in her early twenties when she visited our school, so to a bunch of randy teenage lads.... ! :-*
I think that these days teenage lads would more likely to be treated to a butch LBTQWHDOPIFUODGFDHF. ::) Poor sods! ;D
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I feel genuinely sorry for 'real women' who may be forced to compete against 'chicks with dicks' all in the name of wokeness and political correctness.
I know Sharon Davies and Paula Ratcliffe amongst others have spoken out about this.
Sharron Davies and Paula Radcliffe ::)
I hope they don't take it personally.......'Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned' and all that stuff. ;D ;D
I doubt very much they'll be reading posts on here.
And, if they did, you'd most certainly be on their ignore list.
Nah....not with my charm. :)
I always liked Sharron Davies. I remember her swimming at the Montreal Olympic games in 1976,. I think she was about 14.
She came to my school to give out prizes or something when I was about 14-15, and we were gutted that she didn't wear her swimsuit on stage! ;D
Even as 'a more mature woman' ::) she is still attractive and feminine. Just be grateful you didn't have a trans woman (in the form of a 17 stone welder in a fetching frock) giving out prizes in a bikini. :D
I think she would have be in her early twenties when she visited our school, so to a bunch of randy teenage lads.... ! :-*
I think that these days teenage lads would more likely to be treated to a butch LBTQWHDOPIFUODGFDHF. ::) Poor sods! ;D
Prime age for a young woman. Firm flesh and endlessly wet. :D
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I feel genuinely sorry for 'real women' who may be forced to compete against 'chicks with dicks' all in the name of wokeness and political correctness.
I know Sharon Davies and Paula Ratcliffe amongst others have spoken out about this.
Sharron Davies and Paula Radcliffe ::)
I hope they don't take it personally.......'Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned' and all that stuff. ;D ;D
I doubt very much they'll be reading posts on here.
And, if they did, you'd most certainly be on their ignore list.
Nah....not with my charm. :)
I always liked Sharron Davies. I remember her swimming at the Montreal Olympic games in 1976,. I think she was about 14.
She came to my school to give out prizes or something when I was about 14-15, and we were gutted that she didn't wear her swimsuit on stage! ;D
Even as 'a more mature woman' ::) she is still attractive and feminine. Just be grateful you didn't have a trans woman (in the form of a 17 stone welder in a fetching frock) giving out prizes in a bikini. :D
I think she would have be in her early twenties when she visited our school, so to a bunch of randy teenage lads.... ! :-*
I think that these days teenage lads would more likely to be treated to a butch LBTQWHDOPIFUODGFDHF. ::) Poor sods! ;D
Prime age for a young woman. Firm flesh and endlessly wet. :D
That'll come again later in life with incontinence :o
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Yep.....women do tend to become 'leaky' as they age. :-\