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Title: Debs might know this .......
Post by: HolyCount on 03 September 2008, 18:44:56
Anyone here used oxalic acid to remove rust ???  Need to know the concentrations used and storage / disposal protocols.
Title: Re: Debs might know this .......
Post by: JueV6 on 03 September 2008, 18:49:38
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxalic_acid

there ya go HC
Title: Re: Debs might know this .......
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 03 September 2008, 19:42:05
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Anyone here used oxalic acid to remove rust ???  Need to know the concentrations used and storage / disposal protocols.
Debs probably would know the answer.....without looking it up. ;D :y
Title: Re: Debs might know this .......
Post by: Debs. on 03 September 2008, 20:19:47
IIRC the major constituent of the engine de-greaser/cleaner; Gunk is Oxalic acid.
You can (cheaply) buy the concentrated oxalate from farm supply merchants: sold as Dicarboxylic Disinfectant.....it`s VERY strong, even when diluted with copious-water.....so strong in fact it will quickly take off oxidised galvanised plating and return it to an 'as-new' shine!
...`though I`d be careful if there`s likely to be any aluminium under that paint H.C!

 ::)  H & S Protocols don`t apply to farmers.  ;D
Title: Re: Debs might know this .......
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 03 September 2008, 20:30:08
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IIRC the major constituent of the engine de-greaser/cleaner; Gunk is Oxalic acid.
You can (cheaply) buy the concentrated oxalate from farm supply merchants: sold as Dicarboxylic Disinfectant.....it`s VERY strong, even when diluted with copious-water.....so strong in fact it will quickly take off oxidised galvanised plating and return it to an 'as-new' shine!
...`though I`d be careful if there`s likely to be any aluminium under that paint H.C!

 ::)  H & S Protocols don`t apply to farmers.  ;D
see.
Title: Re: Debs might know this .......
Post by: HolyCount on 03 September 2008, 20:31:44
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IIRC the major constituent of the engine de-greaser/cleaner; Gunk is Oxalic acid.
You can (cheaply) buy the concentrated oxalate from farm supply merchants: sold as Dicarboxylic Disinfectant.....it`s VERY strong, even when diluted with copious-water.....so strong in fact it will quickly take off oxidised galvanised plating and return it to an 'as-new' shine!
...`though I`d be careful if there`s likely to be any aluminium under that paint H.C!

 ::)  H & S Protocols don`t apply to farmers.  ;D

All of a sudden I am a buggy farmer ( will that count ? )
Title: Re: Debs might know this .......
Post by: Bandit127 on 03 September 2008, 20:46:27
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::)  H & S Protocols don`t apply to farmers.  ;D
Yes, Country File had a section on it this week. The most dangerous place to work.

You be careful with all them power take offs, threshers and other such modern conveniences.

You never know what may happen when you get down to mow your meadow...  ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Taxi_Driver on 03 September 2008, 21:13:22
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IIRC the major constituent of the engine de-greaser/cleaner; Gunk is Oxalic acid.
You can (cheaply) buy the concentrated oxalate from farm supply merchants: sold as Dicarboxylic Disinfectant.....it`s VERY strong, even when diluted with copious-water.....so strong in fact it will quickly take off oxidised galvanised plating and return it to an 'as-new' shine!
...`though I`d be careful if there`s likely to be any aluminium under that paint H.C!

 ::)  H & S Protocols don`t apply to farmers.  ;D

Is that the technical term for rust  :-/ ::)
Title: Re: Debs might know this .......
Post by: HolyCount on 03 September 2008, 21:13:59
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::)  H & S Protocols don`t apply to farmers.  ;D
Yes, Country File had a section on it this week. The most dangerous place to work.

You be careful with all them power take offs, threshers and other such modern conveniences.

You never know what may happen when you get down to mow your meadow...  ;D ;D ;D

Peeing in the stinging nettles is a bit surprising too  :o..... but that's another story !!!! ;)
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Post by: shyboy on 03 September 2008, 21:14:52
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IIRC the major constituent of the engine de-greaser/cleaner; Gunk is Oxalic acid.
You can (cheaply) buy the concentrated oxalate from farm supply merchants: sold as Dicarboxylic Disinfectant.....it`s VERY strong, even when diluted with copious-water.....so strong in fact it will quickly take off oxidised galvanised plating and return it to an 'as-new' shine!
...`though I`d be careful if there`s likely to be any aluminium under that paint H.C!

 ::)  H & S Protocols don`t apply to farmers.  ;D

When is somebody going to think of a question to which this woman doesn't know the answer?  :D :D
Title: Re: Debs might know this .......
Post by: Debs. on 03 September 2008, 21:15:28
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::)  H & S Protocols don`t apply to farmers.  ;D
Yes, Country File had a section on it this week. The most dangerous place to work.

You be careful with all them power take offs, threshers and other such modern conveniences.

You never know what may happen when you get down to mow your meadow...  ;D ;D ;D

......not just obvious (machinery) dangers either:
I know of two occurrences of farmers killed (instantly) by large, steel barn-doors blowing in the wind.....and one chap (recently) killed by his own caravan; when he was un-hitching it, the van rolled on a gentle slope and crushed him against a wall. :(

I`m very careful; I`m more likely to 'die of boredom' out here in the styx, than succumb to any injury. ;D
Title: Re: Debs might know this .......
Post by: Bandit127 on 03 September 2008, 21:24:48
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::)  H & S Protocols don`t apply to farmers.  ;D
Yes, Country File had a section on it this week. The most dangerous place to work.

You be careful with all them power take offs, threshers and other such modern conveniences.

You never know what may happen when you get down to mow your meadow...  ;D ;D ;D

......not just obvious (machinery) dangers either:
I know of two occurrences of farmers killed (instantly) by large, steel barn-doors blowing in the wind.....and one chap (recently) killed by his own caravan; when he was un-hitching it, the van rolled on a gentle slope and crushed him against a wall. :(

I`m very careful; I`m more likely to 'die of boredom' out here in the styx, than succumb to any injury. ;D
Oooh, that's horrible - killed by a steel barn door :(  Must be awful for the families.

Dunno about the styx though, do the sheep have horns and brimstone breath round your way? If so, I hope the dogs do good this weekend, theyll have their work cut out ;D ;D
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Post by: Dodger on 03 September 2008, 21:24:51
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I`m very careful; I`m more likely to 'die of boredom' out here in the styx, than succumb to any injury. ;D[/quote]

You Debs?? die of boredom!!! from what I hear there's no way that could happen!! Where would we 'OOF'er's get all our questions answered???

Heaven forbid.... ;D
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Post by: FRE07962128 on 03 September 2008, 21:33:23
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::)  H & S Protocols don`t apply to farmers.  ;D
Yes, Country File had a section on it this week. The most dangerous place to work.

You be careful with all them power take offs, threshers and other such modern conveniences.

You never know what may happen when you get down to mow your meadow...  ;D ;D ;D

......not just obvious (machinery) dangers either:
I know of two occurrences of farmers killed (instantly) by large, steel barn-doors blowing in the wind.....and one chap (recently) killed by his own caravan; when he was un-hitching it, the van rolled on a gentle slope and crushed him against a wall. :(

I`m very careful; I`m more likely to 'die of boredom' out here in the styx, than succumb to any injury. ;D

Still Debs at least you are not a farmer in Flanders ploughing the old battlefields of WWI. ;)

Every so often a Belgium farmer hits one of the estimated 10,000,000 unexploded ordnance that lies in their lands and sadly claims another life to add to that war's dreadful toll! :( :(

H & S has no place there!! ::) ::) ;D ;)
Title: Re: Debs might know this .......
Post by: Debs. on 03 September 2008, 21:39:51
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......Debs at least you are not a farmer in Flanders ploughing the old battlefields of WWI. ;)

Every so often a Belgium farmer hits one of the estimated 10,000,000 unexploded ordnance that lies in their lands and sadly claims another life to add to that war's dreadful toll! :( :(

H & S has no place there!! ::) ::) ;D ;)

Now, that would make my tractor work more 'interesting'.....`certainly focus the mind, wouldn`t it Lizzie? ;)

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Post by: FRE07962128 on 03 September 2008, 21:44:04
That's an impressive looking rig there, and those lovely doggies of yours Debs.....ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh love em!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :y
Title: Re: Debs might know this .......
Post by: Bandit127 on 03 September 2008, 21:46:38
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Gordon Bennett, I bet that's got more BHP than my Miggy!  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Debs might know this .......
Post by: Brian T on 03 September 2008, 22:02:53
That's a serious amount of Green in that piccy Deb's....no wonder my grass in the back garden has lost most of it's colour, you've got it all!
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Post by: Martin_1962 on 03 September 2008, 23:13:41
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::)  H & S Protocols don`t apply to farmers.  ;D
Yes, Country File had a section on it this week. The most dangerous place to work.

You be careful with all them power take offs, threshers and other such modern conveniences.

You never know what may happen when you get down to mow your meadow...  ;D ;D ;D

......not just obvious (machinery) dangers either:
I know of two occurrences of farmers killed (instantly) by large, steel barn-doors blowing in the wind.....and one chap (recently) killed by his own caravan; when he was un-hitching it, the van rolled on a gentle slope and crushed him against a wall. :(

I`m very careful; I`m more likely to 'die of boredom' out here in the styx, than succumb to any injury. ;D


The beach we go to a lot had an old chap try to trun his caravan around after taking a wrong turning - he was crushed :(
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Post by: Martin_1962 on 03 September 2008, 23:14:21
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Gordon Bennett, I bet that's got more BHP than my Miggy!  :o :o :o

They are not that powerful I think my cousins tractor is about 150bhp
Title: Re: Debs might know this .......
Post by: Gaffers on 04 September 2008, 02:23:33
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::)  H & S Protocols don`t apply to farmers.  ;D
Yes, Country File had a section on it this week. The most dangerous place to work.

You be careful with all them power take offs, threshers and other such modern conveniences.

You never know what may happen when you get down to mow your meadow...  ;D ;D ;D

......not just obvious (machinery) dangers either:
I know of two occurrences of farmers killed (instantly) by large, steel barn-doors blowing in the wind.....and one chap (recently) killed by his own caravan; when he was un-hitching it, the van rolled on a gentle slope and crushed him against a wall. :(

I`m very careful; I`m more likely to 'die of boredom' out here in the styx, than succumb to any injury. ;D

Still Debs at least you are not a farmer in Flanders ploughing the old battlefields of WWI. ;)

Every so often a Belgium farmer hits one of the estimated 10,000,000 unexploded ordnance that lies in their lands and sadly claims another life to add to that war's dreadful toll! :( :(

H & S has no place there!! ::) ::) ;D ;)

I have been on a visit there while at Sandhurst.

If you ever drive through the area and see a mound in the corner of a farmer's field dont go near it because that is where the farmer has placed the ordinance he has just dug/ploughed up!  :o

The local bomb disposal unit spends the morning picking up said ordinance by going around the fields.  They then spend the afternoon in 4 Romeo (fully suited up with gas mask on) xraying the shell to try and determine which ones are the chemical ones and then explode them in a huge concealed device which keeps the toxic stuff our of the atmosphere.

Farmers in the area are digging the bombs up at a rate of about 400 a year. 20% are chemical.  They have '000s in a backlog and can destroy about 500/year.  :o

And you thought you had a sh!t job  ;)
Title: Re: Debs might know this .......
Post by: Pitchfork on 04 September 2008, 20:03:46
Back to the original subject matter, I used Oxalic Acid to bleach the ash timber frames of a Mini Countryman & Morris Minor Travellers (both half-timbered cars) pror to revarnishing
Oxalic Acid is also present in Rhubarb!
Title: Re: Debs might know this .......
Post by: FRE07962128 on 04 September 2008, 20:17:03
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::)  H & S Protocols don`t apply to farmers.  ;D
Yes, Country File had a section on it this week. The most dangerous place to work.

You be careful with all them power take offs, threshers and other such modern conveniences.

You never know what may happen when you get down to mow your meadow...  ;D ;D ;D

......not just obvious (machinery) dangers either:
I know of two occurrences of farmers killed (instantly) by large, steel barn-doors blowing in the wind.....and one chap (recently) killed by his own caravan; when he was un-hitching it, the van rolled on a gentle slope and crushed him against a wall. :(

I`m very careful; I`m more likely to 'die of boredom' out here in the styx, than succumb to any injury. ;D

Still Debs at least you are not a farmer in Flanders ploughing the old battlefields of WWI. ;)

Every so often a Belgium farmer hits one of the estimated 10,000,000 unexploded ordnance that lies in their lands and sadly claims another life to add to that war's dreadful toll! :( :(

H & S has no place there!! ::) ::) ;D ;)

I have been on a visit there while at Sandhurst.

If you ever drive through the area and see a mound in the corner of a farmer's field dont go near it because that is where the farmer has placed the ordinance he has just dug/ploughed up!  :o

The local bomb disposal unit spends the morning picking up said ordinance by going around the fields.  They then spend the afternoon in 4 Romeo (fully suited up with gas mask on) xraying the shell to try and determine which ones are the chemical ones and then explode them in a huge concealed device which keeps the toxic stuff our of the atmosphere.

Farmers in the area are digging the bombs up at a rate of about 400 a year. 20% are chemical.  They have '000s in a backlog and can destroy about 500/year.  :o

And you thought you had a sh!t job  ;)


Yes indeed Gaffers, and often these mounds of ordnance are simply left on the verge beside the road, as once I found out when I reversed my then Senator onto what I thought was a nice piece of grass, and six shells were up against my offside rear tyre!! :o :o :o :D ;)
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Post by: HolyCount on 04 September 2008, 20:43:48
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::)  H & S Protocols don`t apply to farmers.  ;D
Yes, Country File had a section on it this week. The most dangerous place to work.

You be careful with all them power take offs, threshers and other such modern conveniences.

You never know what may happen when you get down to mow your meadow...  ;D ;D ;D

......not just obvious (machinery) dangers either:
I know of two occurrences of farmers killed (instantly) by large, steel barn-doors blowing in the wind.....and one chap (recently) killed by his own caravan; when he was un-hitching it, the van rolled on a gentle slope and crushed him against a wall. :(

I`m very careful; I`m more likely to 'die of boredom' out here in the styx, than succumb to any injury. ;D

Still Debs at least you are not a farmer in Flanders ploughing the old battlefields of WWI. ;)

Every so often a Belgium farmer hits one of the estimated 10,000,000 unexploded ordnance that lies in their lands and sadly claims another life to add to that war's dreadful toll! :( :(

H & S has no place there!! ::) ::) ;D ;)

I have been on a visit there while at Sandhurst.

If you ever drive through the area and see a mound in the corner of a farmer's field dont go near it because that is where the farmer has placed the ordinance he has just dug/ploughed up!  :o

The local bomb disposal unit spends the morning picking up said ordinance by going around the fields.  They then spend the afternoon in 4 Romeo (fully suited up with gas mask on) xraying the shell to try and determine which ones are the chemical ones and then explode them in a huge concealed device which keeps the toxic stuff our of the atmosphere.

Farmers in the area are digging the bombs up at a rate of about 400 a year. 20% are chemical.  They have '000s in a backlog and can destroy about 500/year.  :o

And you thought you had a sh!t job  ;)


Yes indeed Gaffers, and often these mounds of ordnance are simply left on the verge beside the road, as once I found out when I reversed my then Senator onto what I thought was a nice piece of grass, and six shells were up against my offside rear tyre!! :o :o :o :D ;)

You are very fortunate that they stayed nestled against the offside rear  :o  Would've relly put the "Zoom" into "LIzzie" !  :o
Title: Re: Debs might know this .......
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 04 September 2008, 21:09:02
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Gordon Bennett, I bet that's got more BHP than my Miggy!  :o :o :o

They are not that powerful I think my cousins tractor is about 150bhp


Those are about 100ish Bhp with probaaly abou 80% of that at the PTO


I'll get me coat.

And if ANYBODY finds an old Fordson Major diesel lying around, let me know!

Title: Re: Debs might know this .......
Post by: amigov6 on 04 September 2008, 21:37:06
I was blissfully happy until Debs sent me a John Deere letter!!! :'( :D
Title: Re: Debs might know this .......
Post by: dad1uk on 05 September 2008, 07:48:55
Debs, I think your 'Green machine' might be needed in Newent.... Fancy a trip out?