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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 September 2008, 14:15:05
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Have just seen on the news today, that a 38 year old women, shopping with a teenage daughter has been refused alcohol, because the cashier thought that she may give some of the alcohol to her daughter. :-?
What gives this cashier the moral right to make this judgement? This is just yet more creeping political correcteness/health & safety legislation.
Apparently Tesco rules suggest that they should not serve alcohol to an adult if they think they may give it to children. To which I would say
1. As long as they are over 18 it is non of their f***ing business.
2. What gives them the right to make a judgement on a person they have never met before or know anything about?
Whatever happened to common sense and discretion. If somebody looks over 18 serve them. If they look under 18 don't, unless they can prove otherwise.
I was in a supermarket the other week ,and I saw a 30 year old man being refused alcohol, because he could not prove he was over 18 as he did not have any ID. But he was so clearly over 18,that it beggared belief that he was being refused. Had common sense been used, all this could have been avoided. >:( >:(
As Jack Nicolson would say "This flat belly bullshit (PC and H&S in this case) is killing the country!" :y :y
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I often buy beer / wine / spirits with a 4 and 1 year old with me
Whats next, that enough to stop me being served?
If so Tesco will be picking all my shopping off the floor and restacking their shelves!
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Have just seen on the news today, that a 38 year old women, shopping with a teenage daughter has been refused alcohol, because the cashier thought that she may give some of the alcohol to her daughter. :-?
What gives this cashier the moral right to make this judgement? This is just yet more creeping political correcteness/health & safety legislation.
Apparently Tesco rules suggest that they should not serve alcohol to an adult if they think they may give it to children. To which I would say
1. As long as they are over 18 it is non of their f***ing business.
2. What gives them the right to make a judgement on a person they have never met before or know anything about?
Whatever happened to common sense and discretion. If somebody looks over 18 serve them. If they look under 18 don't, unless they can prove otherwise.
I was in a supermarket the other week ,and I saw a 30 year old man being refused alcohol, because he could not prove he was over 18 as he did not have any ID. But he was so clearly over 18,that it beggared belief that he was being refused. Had common sense been used, all this could have been avoided. >:( >:(
As Jack Nicolson would say "This flat belly bullshit (PC and H&S in this case) is killing the country!" :y :y
Errm... Not seen it on the news but I know that my 42 yr old step mum had the same problem the other day and has gone to the press!!! She lives near Brighton if that's any help (as she may have lied about her age :D :D :D) Even the manager was being an ar$e over it!!!
To make it even funnier, the teenager in question is my step sister, who turns 18 in a couple of weeks ::) ::) ::) ::) Oh, and she always helps her mum with the shopping and the previous week they had bought 4 cases of beer!! This time... A bottle of red wine :o :o :o
In the end they emptied the shopping back onto the checkout and went to Sainsbury's, who didn't bat an eyelid!!!
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Obviously ill thought out steps to prevent you from being pestered by 'youths' outside a shop to buy booze & fags for them. If I want to buy alcohol, usually in the form of wine, and share it with my under 18 yr old kids at home with a meal etc (they're 19 & 20now but .....) I'm perfectly within the law to do so. I'm sure that 'under age' kids are allowed to be served alcohol in restaurants as long as it's with a meal.
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just to be a numpty i think is the problem here. and licenced premises can refuse to dsell alcohole to any one they fancy and nothing can be done about it
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I think it is dame right disgusting and they should be able tell if your in your 30s or 40s and so on , i give my 12 & half yr old some wine some times but it's only 4% vol as it is Lambrusco and i dont see any harm and she only has a very small glass
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... i give my 12 & half yr old some wine some times but it's only 4% vol as it is Lambrusco and i dont see any harm and she only has a very small glass
..... and it's bugger all to do with Tesco if you do or don't. >:(
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Wish they would ask me I could show em my Over 60's pass :D
Mind have left all the trolley full of goods in Asda once , got to end of belt where you put em on stood there a while then woman on till says sry love i'm closing after this lady .....moved to another checkout but waited ages then she said she forgot to put the closed thingy on belt & was closing ! so just wheeled em in to middle of aisle swore & f**kt off they were all stood looking as if I was some kinda nutcase ! :D
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I have just taken this up with a Tesco check out girl.
She says they are being asked to make value judgements.Such as.
This 40 year old woman looks like she might give booze to her 14 year old girl so I will not serve her,or this person looks responsible enough not to give her kid booze so I will serve her.
I repeat it is none of their fu**ing business. They are not the Police they are not judges so as long as the person is over 18 Butt out.
The Tesco workers do not want these powers but they are so worried about loseing their jobs because of these crazy laws. >:( >:( >:(
Fags next. Sorry Mr 40 year old but I will not serve you because you look like the sort who may give a fag to your kids.
This interfering in our lives is like a snowball rolling down hill. Beware.
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and there's me thinking that in the home, children over the age of 5 can consume small amounts of alcohol under parental supervision, for example with meals
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Have just seen on the news today, that a 38 year old women, shopping with a teenage daughter has been refused alcohol, because the cashier thought that she may give some of the alcohol to her daughter. :-?
What gives this cashier the moral right to make this judgement? This is just yet more creeping political correcteness/health & safety legislation.
Apparently Tesco rules suggest that they should not serve alcohol to an adult if they think they may give it to children. To which I would say
1. As long as they are over "18" it is non of their f***ing business.
2. What gives them the right to make a judgement on a person they have never met before or know anything about?
Whatever happened to common sense and discretion. If somebody looks over 18 serve them. If they look under 18 don't, unless they can prove otherwise.
I was in a supermarket the other week ,and I saw a 30 year old man being refused alcohol, because he could not prove he was over 18 as he did not have any ID. But he was so clearly over 18,that it beggared belief that he was being refused. Had common sense been used, all this could have been avoided. >:( >:(
As Jack Nicolson would say "This flat belly bullshit (PC and H&S in this case) is killing the country!" :y :y
This all started some months ago, with also adults purchasing 'over 18' DVD's being questioned when accompanied by children!! :o :o :o >:(
At that time on this Forum I vowed to cut up my Tesco Clubcard and cease using their stores; this I did and never use them now! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
They have not been elected by the people to be our moral guardians, and certainly have no legal authority to act against adults legal purchasing goods! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Yes the world has gone mad ..... to many " do-gooders " :-/
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I think it is dame right disgusting and they should be able tell if your in your 30s or 40s and so on , i give my 12 & half yr old some wine some times but it's only 4% vol as it is Lambrusco and i dont see any harm and she only has a very small glass
My wife would be half cut on that..... ;D
Good sensible attitude you have regards drink and children,my dad done just the same with myself and brother and we both grew up too respect alcohol.
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I have just taken this up with a Tesco check out girl.
She says they are being asked to make value judgements.Such as.
This 40 year old woman looks like she might give booze to her 14 year old girl so I will not serve her,or this person looks responsible enough not to give her kid booze so I will serve her.
I repeat it is none of their fu**ing business. They are not the Police they are not judges so as long as the person is over 18 Butt out.
The Tesco workers do not want these powers but they are so worried about loseing their jobs because of these crazy laws. >:( >:( >:(
Fags next. Sorry Mr 40 year old but I will not serve you because you look like the sort who may give a f*g to your kids.
This interfering in our lives is like a snowball rolling down hill. Beware.
But oddly enough tesco will happily deliver booze and fags via online shopping.... ::) ;D
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nonsense morrisons are by far the worse for these stupid ideas
they wont sell lucozade to under 16s!
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nonsense morrisons are by far the worse for these stupid ideas
they wont sell lucozade to under 16s!
You are kidding surely .... thats just utter stupidity :-/
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nope honestly a good few years ago i attepted to purchase a bottle of lucozade in the hereford morrisons and got turned away as i looked under 16!
company policy apparently!
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This all started some months ago, with also adults purchasing 'over 18' DVD's being questioned when accompanied by children!! :o :o :o >:(
At that time on this Forum I vowed to cut up my Tesco Clubcard and cease using their stores; this I did and never use them now! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
They have not been elected by the people to be our moral guardians, and certainly have no legal authority to act against adults legal purchasing goods! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
You are absolutely right Lizzie. I hate shopping at Tesco's at any time, and this only goes to prove why!
Tescos has become too big for its own good, and has started to Police the nation.
As long as the person purchasing is over 18, they have fulfilled their responsibility. They have no right to make moral judgements about how we choose to drink it, or who we choose to give it to!!. Most people would introduce alcohol gradually to children and do it in a responsible way. It is not up to Tesco to meddle in family life. >:( >:(
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I only give my daughter wine every now then and its only 4% and its the light lambrusco and she only has the one glass, i want her to grow up to have it in small quantities and like to say that i don't drink wine all that much only when i fancy it which is very rare , I wouldn't want my daughter thinking that you need to get drunk on any alcohol and that i want her to have a sensible attitude and she only haves it with her dinner
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Next it will be glass type pop bottles as it may be used as a weapon !!! ::)
Remember once in check in at airport they asked my wife to open up her handbag & in it she had several personal items including the smallest mini screwdriver in a kit for tightening spectacle frames FF sake took it off her & left me stood there with a bunch of keys inc car keys that were far more like a weapon ...........Crazy rules !! >:(
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The only thing these companies like more than moulding our lives the way they think they ought to be is counting their profits. If you don't like it vote with your feet, and support your local butcher, greengrocer, baker, etc. You'll soon realise by the taste what dreadful food the big supermatkets sell too.
An old one, but it'll come true one day: ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfSi0D7KESk
Kevin
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I only give my daughter wine every now then and its only 4% and its the light lambrusco and she only has the one glass, i want her to grow up to have it in small quantities and like to say that i don't drink wine all that much only when i fancy it which is very rare , I wouldn't want my daughter thinking that you need to get drunk on any alcohol and that i want her to have a sensible attitude and she only haves it with her dinner
That is exactly the way it should be Maria with you as a responsible parent educating their child on alcohol consumption as you do with food and everything else in their life! :y :y :y
You have rightly decided to do this in your own home ;) ;) :y and it is down to no one else to be involved, especially not bloody Tesco's in your moral and legal judgements!! >:( >:( >:(
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I only give my daughter wine every now then and its only 4% and its the light lambrusco and she only has the one glass, i want her to grow up to have it in small quantities and like to say that i don't drink wine all that much only when i fancy it which is very rare , I wouldn't want my daughter thinking that you need to get drunk on any alcohol and that i want her to have a sensible attitude and she only haves it with her dinner
That is exactly the way it should be Maria with you as a responsible parent educating their child on alcohol consumption as you do with food and everything else in their life! :y :y :y
You have rightly decided to do this in your own home ;) ;) :y and it is down to no one else to be involved, especially not bloody Tesco's in your moral and legal judgements!! >:( >:( >:(
I enjoy a small sherry on rare social occassions and, as a result, keep one or two dry sacks and amontilado's in the cocktail cabinet - for visitors, you understand...
Always took the view with my kids that its there if you want it, whenever, just let me know so I can supervise.
To us, it removed the 'taboo' or 'must be good if we are not allowed' thing and resulted in a pair of first class, switched on adults who respect alcohol as the demon that it is - and I mean the latter comment wholeheartedly.
Conversely, i also see the tesco side. It is an ofence to knowingly suplly alcohol to those under age. That chain extends from the licencee - be it pub, offy or Tesco - through ALL staff down to the girls on the tills. If found doing wrong, its the licencee thats done, not necessarily those taking the cash.....
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I often buy beer / wine / spirits with a 4 and 1 year old with me
Whats next, that enough to stop me being served?
If so Tesco will be picking all my shopping off the floor and restacking their shelves!
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That would be exactly what I would do, my daughter is welcome to a taste of my Whisky if she wants to, but she stopped drinking it when she was 3 ::) ::) ::)
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I only give my daughter wine every now then and its only 4% and its the light lambrusco and she only has the one glass, i want her to grow up to have it in small quantities and like to say that i don't drink wine all that much only when i fancy it which is very rare , I wouldn't want my daughter thinking that you need to get drunk on any alcohol and that i want her to have a sensible attitude and she only haves it with her dinner
That is exactly the way it should be Maria with you as a responsible parent educating their child on alcohol consumption as you do with food and everything else in their life! :y :y :y
You have rightly decided to do this in your own home ;) ;) :y and it is down to no one else to be involved, especially not bloody Tesco's in your moral and legal judgements!! >:( >:( >:(
I enjoy a small sherry on rare social occassions and, as a result, keep one or two dry sacks and amontilado's in the cocktail cabinet - for visitors, you understand...
Always took the view with my kids that its there if you want it, whenever, just let me know so I can supervise.
To us, it removed the 'taboo' or 'must be good if we are not allowed' thing and resulted in a pair of first class, switched on adults who respect alcohol as the demon that it is - and I mean the latter comment wholeheartedly.
Conversely, i also see the tesco side. It is an ofence to knowingly suplly alcohol to those under age. That chain extends from the licencee - be it pub, offy or Tesco - through ALL staff down to the girls on the tills. If found doing wrong, its the licencee thats done, not necessarily those taking the cash.....
But that does not and cannot apply to a person over the age of 18 who stands in front of you, who is not excessively under the influence of alcohol, purchasing alcohol within the constraints of the law hotel21.
As with the sale of cigarettes it is the responsibility of the person actually selling the product to be satisfied that the member of the public purchasing the said product meets the legal criteria on the sales of such items. As a retail member of staff that is your responsibility, and as a senior manager within that same company (which I was and a holder of a liquor licence to cover my responsibilities over multiple convenience stores selling alcohol) I was responsible for the actions of all my staff (3,500!), but it was the member of staff and my company that would be prosecuted for any breach, which indeed a member of staff or so were in selling both cigarettes and alcohol to minors.
As a retailer though you are not held legally responsible for how that adult customer has acted or actioned with the product subsequent to purchase providing the original legal criteria on the selling of it has been complied with. ;) ;)
This must be the limit of all retailers concerns, including Tesco who are no different from the rest and are equal in the eyes of the law. ;)
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I only give my daughter wine every now then and its only 4% and its the light lambrusco and she only has the one glass, i want her to grow up to have it in small quantities and like to say that i don't drink wine all that much only when i fancy it which is very rare , I wouldn't want my daughter thinking that you need to get drunk on any alcohol and that i want her to have a sensible attitude and she only haves it with her dinner
That is exactly the way it should be Maria with you as a responsible parent educating their child on alcohol consumption as you do with food and everything else in their life! :y :y :y
You have rightly decided to do this in your own home ;) ;) :y and it is down to no one else to be involved, especially not bloody Tesco's in your moral and legal judgements!! >:( >:( >:(
I enjoy a small sherry on rare social occassions and, as a result, keep one or two dry sacks and amontilado's in the cocktail cabinet - for visitors, you understand...
Always took the view with my kids that its there if you want it, whenever, just let me know so I can supervise.
To us, it removed the 'taboo' or 'must be good if we are not allowed' thing and resulted in a pair of first class, switched on adults who respect alcohol as the demon that it is - and I mean the latter comment wholeheartedly.
Conversely, i also see the tesco side. It is an ofence to knowingly suplly alcohol to those under age. That chain extends from the licencee - be it pub, offy or Tesco - through ALL staff down to the girls on the tills. If found doing wrong, its the licencee thats done, not necessarily those taking the cash.....
But that does not and cannot apply to a person over the age of 18 who stands in front of you, who is not excessively under the influence of alcohol, purchasing alcohol within the constraints of the law hotel21.
As with the sale of cigarettes it is the responsibility of the person actually selling the product to be satisfied that the member of the public purchasing the said product meets the legal criteria on the sales of such items. As a retail member of staff that is your responsibility, and as a senior manager within that same company (which I was and a holder of a liquor licence to cover my responsibilities over multiple convenience stores selling alcohol) I was responsible for the actions of all my staff (3,500!), but it was the member of staff and my company that would be prosecuted for any breach, which indeed a member of staff or so were in selling both cigarettes and alcohol to minors.
As a retailer though you are not held legally responsible for how that adult customer has acted or actioned with the product subsequent to purchase providing the original legal criteria on the selling of it has been complied with. ;) ;)
This must be the limit of all retailers concerns, including Tesco who are no different from the rest and are equal in the eyes of the law. ;)
Unless things have changed recently (or are different in England and Wales) if the member of staff has a suspicion - suspicion, mark you - that the person to whom they are selling alcohol may further supply that alcohol to a minor, then the licencee is the one who is held to book with the assistant being a witness in the case. (or thats how I was always taught the Licencing (Scotland) Act anyway) If a licencee wishes to reduce that risk of prosecution then draconian measures such as reported are the end result.
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Ive seen something like this in tesco a few momths back (when I was at college)
Someone was refused a few cans of beer... he looked like he was in his late twenties and the woman on the checkout was just stuck up her own bottom! ;D
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I only give my daughter wine every now then and its only 4% and its the light lambrusco and she only has the one glass, i want her to grow up to have it in small quantities and like to say that i don't drink wine all that much only when i fancy it which is very rare , I wouldn't want my daughter thinking that you need to get drunk on any alcohol and that i want her to have a sensible attitude and she only haves it with her dinner
That is exactly the way it should be Maria with you as a responsible parent educating their child on alcohol consumption as you do with food and everything else in their life! :y :y :y
You have rightly decided to do this in your own home ;) ;) :y and it is down to no one else to be involved, especially not bloody Tesco's in your moral and legal judgements!! >:( >:( >:(
I enjoy a small sherry on rare social occassions and, as a result, keep one or two dry sacks and amontilado's in the cocktail cabinet - for visitors, you understand...
Always took the view with my kids that its there if you want it, whenever, just let me know so I can supervise.
To us, it removed the 'taboo' or 'must be good if we are not allowed' thing and resulted in a pair of first class, switched on adults who respect alcohol as the demon that it is - and I mean the latter comment wholeheartedly.
Conversely, i also see the tesco side. It is an ofence to knowingly suplly alcohol to those under age. That chain extends from the licencee - be it pub, offy or Tesco - through ALL staff down to the girls on the tills. If found doing wrong, its the licencee thats done, not necessarily those taking the cash.....
But that does not and cannot apply to a person over the age of 18 who stands in front of you, who is not excessively under the influence of alcohol, purchasing alcohol within the constraints of the law hotel21.
As with the sale of cigarettes it is the responsibility of the person actually selling the product to be satisfied that the member of the public purchasing the said product meets the legal criteria on the sales of such items. As a retail member of staff that is your responsibility, and as a senior manager within that same company (which I was and a holder of a liquor licence to cover my responsibilities over multiple convenience stores selling alcohol) I was responsible for the actions of all my staff (3,500!), but it was the member of staff and my company that would be prosecuted for any breach, which indeed a member of staff or so were in selling both cigarettes and alcohol to minors.
As a retailer though you are not held legally responsible for how that adult customer has acted or actioned with the product subsequent to purchase providing the original legal criteria on the selling of it has been complied with. ;) ;)
This must be the limit of all retailers concerns, including Tesco who are no different from the rest and are equal in the eyes of the law. ;)
Unless things have changed recently (or are different in England and Wales) if the member of staff has a suspicion - suspicion, mark you - that the person to whom they are selling alcohol may further supply that alcohol to a minor, then the licencee is the one who is held to book with the assistant being a witness in the case. (or thats how I was always taught the Licencing (Scotland) Act anyway) If a licencee wishes to reduce that risk of prosecution then draconian measures such as reported are the end result.
No that has always been the case :y :y
But that could apply to every sale you make of alcohol or cigarettes so it is considered unreasonable in a court of law for a member of staff to be expected to make that judgement when all other legal criteria is being met and the adult being served is clearly in a fit state to purchase such product. If the member of staff hears a comment for example by the adult to a child ".....you can have some of this drink / a cigerette when we get outside / are at home" then of course the sale must be ceased, but if the sale proceeds then a criminal offence is deemed to have transpired . Without such evidence of actions being contemplated then the member of staff can only reasonably assume that the purchasing adult will consume the product responsibly within the legal criteria. ;)
I would be doubtful if there has ever been a legal precedent of a proved case of any member of retail staff selling restricted product when there was that "suspicion" of a subsequent illegal act transpiring. I have only ever known staff / companies being prosecuted when there is clear evidence that the product is being bought and consumed by a minor.
However if there has been such a recorded case I would be interested to know. ;)
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Just a little thought, are some of the checkout people under 18, what happens then.?
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Ive seen something like this in tesco a few momths back (when I was at college)
Someone was refused a few cans of beer... he looked like he was in his late twenties and the woman on the checkout was just stuck up her own bottom! ;D
That's exactly where those cans would of ended up had she had done that to me. >:(
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mega snip..... ;)
Looks like we are both correct then... :y
In the given overblown press hype, on top of perhaps an overblown kneejerk by a higher level manager thats been further wrongly interpreted and thus compounded down the line, then we could easily have the situation we are in now where sales staff are simply not selling alcohol in some circumstances..... :-/
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Just a little thought, are some of the checkout people under 18, what happens then.?
In those cases they must bring the sale to the attention of a member of staff who is over 18, who then takes on fully the legal responsibility for the sale of such product.
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mega snip..... ;)
Looks like we are both correct then... :y
In the given overblown press hype, on top of perhaps an overblown kneejerk by a higher level manager thats been further wrongly interpreted and thus compounded down the line, then we could easily have the situation we are in now where sales staff are simply not selling alcohol in some circumstances..... :-/
Absolutely right hotel21! :y That is now the challenge for staff, that many, who are only on a legal minimum wage, will not accept due to the high risks of them being heavily fined and receiving a criminal record if convicted. ::) ::) ::)
PS Where did "megga snip" come from that is attributed to me but in fact I never made!! :o :o :o :o :o ::) ::)
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But that does not and cannot apply to a person over the age of 18 who stands in front of you, who is not excessively under the influence of alcohol, purchasing alcohol within the constraints of the law hotel21.
As with the sale of cigarettes it is the responsibility of the person actually selling the product to be satisfied that the member of the public purchasing the said product meets the legal criteria on the sales of such items. As a retail member of staff that is your responsibility, and as a senior manager within that same company (which I was and a holder of a liquor licence to cover my responsibilities over multiple convenience stores selling alcohol) I was responsible for the actions of all my staff (3,500!), but it was the member of staff and my company that would be prosecuted for any breach, which indeed a member of staff or so were in selling both cigarettes and alcohol to minors.
As a retailer though you are not held legally responsible for how that adult customer has acted or actioned with the product subsequent to purchase providing the original legal criteria on the selling of it has been complied with. ;) ;)
This must be the limit of all retailers concerns, including Tesco who are no different from the rest and are equal in the eyes of the law. ;)
Lizzie is absolutely spot on. And I am absolutely astounded, and disappointed in equal measure that certain members of the forum think, Tesco should have the powers to decide what a person over the age of 18 does with their legally bought alcohol after purchase.
Tesco are a retailer, nothing more.They are not God, and should have no powers to decide what happens after purchase. Indeed it is insulting, to even ask somebody over the age of 18 what they intend to do with their alcohol.
Lizzie has already mentioned people buying 18 rated DVDs being questioned about their intentions. Now they are doing it with alcohol.
I understand that £1 in every £6 is spent in Tesco. This worries me.
I shall be shopping elsewhere in future. Keep up the good work Lizzie :y :y
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PS Where did "megga snip" come from that is attributed to me but in fact I never made!! :o :o :o :o :o ::) ::)
me.
Rather than quoting existing quotes so ensuring that my response was to your post, not another that may have been posted by someone else in the interim.... :y
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PS Where did "megga snip" come from that is attributed to me but in fact I never made!! :o :o :o :o :o ::) ::)
me.
Rather than quoting existing quotes so ensuring that my response was to your post, not another that may have been posted by someone else in the interim.... :y
Ok thanks, now I understand......I can see why you are an admin!! ;D ;D ;D ;D 8-) ;)
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But that does not and cannot apply to a person over the age of 18 who stands in front of you, who is not excessively under the influence of alcohol, purchasing alcohol within the constraints of the law hotel21.
As with the sale of cigarettes it is the responsibility of the person actually selling the product to be satisfied that the member of the public purchasing the said product meets the legal criteria on the sales of such items. As a retail member of staff that is your responsibility, and as a senior manager within that same company (which I was and a holder of a liquor licence to cover my responsibilities over multiple convenience stores selling alcohol) I was responsible for the actions of all my staff (3,500!), but it was the member of staff and my company that would be prosecuted for any breach, which indeed a member of staff or so were in selling both cigarettes and alcohol to minors.
As a retailer though you are not held legally responsible for how that adult customer has acted or actioned with the product subsequent to purchase providing the original legal criteria on the selling of it has been complied with. ;) ;)
This must be the limit of all retailers concerns, including Tesco who are no different from the rest and are equal in the eyes of the law. ;)
Lizzie is absolutely spot on. And I am absolutely astounded, and disappointed in equal measure that certain members of the forum think, Tesco should have the powers to decide what a person over the age of 18 does with their legally bought alcohol after purchase.
Tesco are a retailer, nothing more.They are not God, and should have no powers to decide what happens after purchase. Indeed it is insulting, to even ask somebody over the age of 18 what they intend to do with their alcohol.
Lizzie has already mentioned people buying 18 rated DVDs being questioned about their intentions. Now they are doing it with alcohol.
I understand that £1 in every £6 is spent in Tesco. This worries me.
I shall be shopping elsewhere in future. Keep up the good work Lizzie :y :y
Thanks Optimist! This is a specialist professional subject for me, so I (usually ;D ;D) know something about this subject even attending High Court, supported by a leading barrister, to present my company's legal case in acquiring liquor licences for our stores on appeal. We won!! :y ;)
However, along with a fellow university student, I am constantly incensed by Tesco's attitude and actions in this country, with them actually being a political threat to the freedoms of the general public by establishing themselves as some state within a state due to their significant ecomonical and social power, often dictating what product is available to the public, how much it costs, what suppliers should survive or not, and of course how it is sold and to whom!! >:( >:( >:(
There are also many small traders whose businesses are being blighted by Tesco's greed in acquiring land for future possible store development, but waiting until the aforementioned businesses are weakened before taking action. In addition they are using local political muscle (legally that' s all I can say) to pursuade councils to give them planning permission for more stores; a new roundabout here, new 'public' buildings there, etc.
Bit by bit, little by little, they are destroying the competition in the retail trade which is, in the long term at least, very unhealthy for us all and the many small, medium, and large suppliers who are squeezed almost to the point of not making a profit on what they sell to Tesco's by their ruthless buying power. >:( >:(
Competition is healthy, but monopolies are not, especially when they intefere in our democracy along with the moral rights and freedoms of British citizens. >:( >:(
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I was brought up with the attitude that the drinks cabinet was always there if I wanted it from quite an early age.
Consequently I am a [size=9]complete alcoholic[/size][size=11]sensible drinker and it's never done me any harm[/size] :y :y :y
I will treat my kids in exactly the same way :y :y
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But that does not and cannot apply to a person over the age of 18 who stands in front of you, who is not excessively under the influence of alcohol, purchasing alcohol within the constraints of the law hotel21.
As with the sale of cigarettes it is the responsibility of the person actually selling the product to be satisfied that the member of the public purchasing the said product meets the legal criteria on the sales of such items. As a retail member of staff that is your responsibility, and as a senior manager within that same company (which I was and a holder of a liquor licence to cover my responsibilities over multiple convenience stores selling alcohol) I was responsible for the actions of all my staff (3,500!), but it was the member of staff and my company that would be prosecuted for any breach, which indeed a member of staff or so were in selling both cigarettes and alcohol to minors.
As a retailer though you are not held legally responsible for how that adult customer has acted or actioned with the product subsequent to purchase providing the original legal criteria on the selling of it has been complied with. ;) ;)
This must be the limit of all retailers concerns, including Tesco who are no different from the rest and are equal in the eyes of the law. ;)
Lizzie is absolutely spot on. And I am absolutely astounded, and disappointed in equal measure that certain members of the forum think, Tesco should have the powers to decide what a person over the age of 18 does with their legally bought alcohol after purchase.
Tesco are a retailer, nothing more.They are not God, and should have no powers to decide what happens after purchase. Indeed it is insulting, to even ask somebody over the age of 18 what they intend to do with their alcohol.
Lizzie has already mentioned people buying 18 rated DVDs being questioned about their intentions. Now they are doing it with alcohol.
I understand that £1 in every £6 is spent in Tesco. This worries me.
I shall be shopping elsewhere in future. Keep up the good work Lizzie :y :y
Thanks Optimist! This is a specialist professional subject for me, so I (usually ;D ;D) know something about this subject even attending High Court, supported by a leading barrister, to present my company's legal case in acquiring liquor licences for our stores on appeal. We won!! :y ;)
However, along with a fellow university student, I am constantly incensed by Tesco's attitude and actions in this country, with them actually being a political threat to the freedoms of the general public by establishing themselves as some state within a state due to their significant ecomonical and social power, often dictating what product is available to the public, how much it costs, what suppliers should survive or not, and of course how it is sold and to whom!! >:( >:( >:(
There are also many small traders whose businesses are being blighted by Tesco's greed in acquiring land for future possible store development, but waiting until the aforementioned businesses are weakened before taking action. In addition they are using local political muscle (legally that' s all I can say) to pursuade councils to give them planning permission for more stores; a new roundabout here, new 'public' buildings there, etc.
Bit by bit, little by little, they are destroying the competition in the retail trade which is, in the long term at least, very unhealthy for us all and the many small, medium, and large suppliers who are squeezed almost to the point of not making a profit on what they sell to Tesco's by their ruthless buying power. >:( >:(
Competition is healthy, but monopolies are not, especially when they intefere in our democracy along with the moral rights and freedoms of British citizens. >:( >:(
Brown out ,Zoom in. :y :y :y :y :y ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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But that does not and cannot apply to a person over the age of 18 who stands in front of you, who is not excessively under the influence of alcohol, purchasing alcohol within the constraints of the law hotel21.
As with the sale of cigarettes it is the responsibility of the person actually selling the product to be satisfied that the member of the public purchasing the said product meets the legal criteria on the sales of such items. As a retail member of staff that is your responsibility, and as a senior manager within that same company (which I was and a holder of a liquor licence to cover my responsibilities over multiple convenience stores selling alcohol) I was responsible for the actions of all my staff (3,500!), but it was the member of staff and my company that would be prosecuted for any breach, which indeed a member of staff or so were in selling both cigarettes and alcohol to minors.
As a retailer though you are not held legally responsible for how that adult customer has acted or actioned with the product subsequent to purchase providing the original legal criteria on the selling of it has been complied with. ;) ;)
This must be the limit of all retailers concerns, including Tesco who are no different from the rest and are equal in the eyes of the law. ;)
Lizzie is absolutely spot on. And I am absolutely astounded, and disappointed in equal measure that certain members of the forum think, Tesco should have the powers to decide what a person over the age of 18 does with their legally bought alcohol after purchase.
Tesco are a retailer, nothing more.They are not God, and should have no powers to decide what happens after purchase. Indeed it is insulting, to even ask somebody over the age of 18 what they intend to do with their alcohol.
Lizzie has already mentioned people buying 18 rated DVDs being questioned about their intentions. Now they are doing it with alcohol.
I understand that £1 in every £6 is spent in Tesco. This worries me.
I shall be shopping elsewhere in future. Keep up the good work Lizzie :y :y
Thanks Optimist! This is a specialist professional subject for me, so I (usually ;D ;D) know something about this subject even attending High Court, supported by a leading barrister, to present my company's legal case in acquiring liquor licences for our stores on appeal. We won!! :y ;)
However, along with a fellow university student, I am constantly incensed by Tesco's attitude and actions in this country, with them actually being a political threat to the freedoms of the general public by establishing themselves as some state within a state due to their significant ecomonical and social power, often dictating what product is available to the public, how much it costs, what suppliers should survive or not, and of course how it is sold and to whom!! >:( >:( >:(
There are also many small traders whose businesses are being blighted by Tesco's greed in acquiring land for future possible store development, but waiting until the aforementioned businesses are weakened before taking action. In addition they are using local political muscle (legally that' s all I can say) to pursuade councils to give them planning permission for more stores; a new roundabout here, new 'public' buildings there, etc.
Bit by bit, little by little, they are destroying the competition in the retail trade which is, in the long term at least, very unhealthy for us all and the many small, medium, and large suppliers who are squeezed almost to the point of not making a profit on what they sell to Tesco's by their ruthless buying power. >:( >:(
Competition is healthy, but monopolies are not, especially when they intefere in our democracy along with the moral rights and freedoms of British citizens. >:( >:(
Brown out ,Zoom in. :y :y :y :y :y ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Cheers again Optimist, and once I have my degree in Politics I may very well stand as an MP!
8-) 8-) 8-)
I am sick and tired with the current state of British politics, the social system and industry generally, but have decided it is no use just complaining about it, I must actually do something about it! ;) ;)
As part of my course indeed I must achieve some form of personal political development, so what could be better than that! :D :D ;)
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Go for it Deb's, we could have a voice in the house. :y :y :y
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Go for it Deb's, we could have a voice in the house. :y :y :y
I'm confuzzed .. I thought Lizzie was going to be the new Leader ..... where did Debs step in ??
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Go for it Deb's, we could have a voice in the house. :y :y :y
It is Lizzie Mike who is going to run, but would welcome Debs joining my party!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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We use a local farm shop for veg - cheaper to drive there than buy at the local Tesco
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Whether or not you agree with the morality of what Tescos are trying to achieve, the basic fact remain, Tescos don't have to seel it to you, so if they don't want to, thats entirely their decision. Shop elsewhere if you don't like it.
Possibly to partially understand Tescos decision is to realise they are having to suck up to a government (for other reasons) that has set its sights on banning drinking, be it in pubs or at home.
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Whether or not you agree with the morality of what Tescos are trying to achieve, the basic fact remain, Tescos don't have to seel it to you, so if they don't want to, thats entirely their decision. Shop elsewhere if you don't like it.
Possibly to partially understand Tescos decision is to realise they are having to suck up to a government (for other reasons) that has set its sights on banning drinking, be it in pubs or at home.
A valid point. Ultimately we have our police state government to blame for stores feeling they're having to be so rather stupid. After all, left to their own devices Tesco and the like would stop at nothing to turn a profit.
kevin
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Whether or not you agree with the morality of what Tescos are trying to achieve, the basic fact remain, Tescos don't have to seel it to you, so if they don't want to, thats entirely their decision. Shop elsewhere if you don't like it.
Possibly to partially understand Tescos decision is to realise they are having to suck up to a government (for other reasons) that has set its sights on banning drinking, be it in pubs or at home.
A valid point. Ultimately we have our police state government to blame for stores feeling they're having to be so rather stupid. After all, left to their own devices Tesco and the like would stop at nothing to turn a profit.
kevin
As much as I want to blame government 100%, there do appear to be a lot of irresponsible parents out there as well >:(
But thats the governments fault for not shooting the ejits
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Whether or not you agree with the morality of what Tescos are trying to achieve, the basic fact remain, Tescos don't have to seel it to you, so if they don't want to, thats entirely their decision. Shop elsewhere if you don't like it.
Possibly to partially understand Tescos decision is to realise they are having to suck up to a government (for other reasons) that has set its sights on banning drinking, be it in pubs or at home.
A valid point. Ultimately we have our police state government to blame for stores feeling they're having to be so rather stupid. After all, left to their own devices Tesco and the like would stop at nothing to turn a profit.
kevin
As far as I am aware the only legal requirement Tesco need to satisfy is to not sell alcohol to any person under the age of 18 years.
This puritanical purge on who or who is not deemed fit to buy alcohol OVER the age of 18 is all their own idea.It is not a requirement of the law. :-/ :-/ .So stick your sanctimonious morality up your arse Tesco. :P
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TBF, if the management of Tesco's wish to enforce there own moral view point at there own stores, at the risk of losing customers, is there own bussiness.
The idea and thinking behind the tighter sales is sound, its a shame it falls to under trained, underpaid, under enfusistic staff to enforce....
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TBF, if the management of Tesco's wish to enforce there own moral view point at there own stores, at the risk of losing customers, is there own bussiness.
The idea and thinking behind the tighter sales is sound, its a shame it falls to under trained, underpaid, under enfusistic staff to enforce....
It's simple really...over 18 sell....under 18...refuse...morality should not come into it. :-X
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Just to bring a little closure to this subject...
Go here (http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/3642302.Southwick_mum_wins_Tesco_apology/) to see the press article from my families experiences!
I find some of the comments at the bottom unbelievable... Have the people of Brighton no idea that this is Tesco policing us??? :o :o :o
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I'm shortly going to be complaining to the press about the sexual discrimination I face whenever I go to Tesco. Nobody asks me for proof of my age, yet they seem to ask all the women that shop there. I'm feeling quite depressed that I may actually look my age :'(
But if it will cheer anyone up, my other half got asked for ID the other week when she tried to buy a pack of cigs - she's 27 ;D
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Just to bring a little closure to this subject...
Go here (http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/3642302.Southwick_mum_wins_Tesco_apology/) to see the press article from my families experiences!
I find some of the comments at the bottom unbelievable... Have the people of Brighton no idea that this is Tesco policing us??? :o :o :o
Lazydocker, I wouldn't worry too much about the comments left by the public, most of them seem to be from people that have too much time on their hands. For example that first one from "I's a chunt"(-h) anyone with that name as a user is obviously trolling about to stir up trouble.
I say good on your Mum for standing up to them, it's quite ridiculous what they did and had I been there at the time I would have loudly applauded her actions. :y
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Just to bring a little closure to this subject...
Go here (http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/3642302.Southwick_mum_wins_Tesco_apology/) to see the press article from my families experiences!
I find some of the comments at the bottom unbelievable... Have the people of Brighton no idea that this is Tesco policing us??? :o :o :o
Lazydocker, I wouldn't worry too much about the comments left by the public, most of them seem to be from people that have too much time on their hands. For example that first one from "I's a chunt"(-h) anyone with that name as a user is obviously trolling about to stir up trouble.
I say good on your Mum for standing up to them, it's quite ridiculous what they did and had I been there at the time I would have loudly applauded her actions. :y
Lazydocker you are spot on. Since when has a law been passed telling Tesco that their employees have the right to make a moral judgement about adults and their children.
There is NO LEGALITY to what they are doing.
I have said it so many times on this thread.....but I'll say it again.
Tesco are not the police ,they are not judges and they are certainly not God.
The only legal requirement they need to satisfy is to not sell alcohol to persons under the age of 18 years....and NOTHING MORE. :( :( :(
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This is my advice on Tesco.
1. We completely get rid of the Police force. We don't need it as Tesco can do all the policing from now on.
2. We get rid of all the judges. We don't need them, as tesco are self-appointed judge, jury and executioner.
3. There will be no need for any laws to be made in parliament, as Tesco can make all the laws from now on.
Tesco has become a monster, and I will not be shopping there. It has no jurisdiction over who I give alcolhol to in my own home, so long as I am over 18 when I buy it.
If any people are so feeble minded that they feel happy to let a supermarket make moral judgements about themselves and their families, then I feel extremely sorry for these stupid easily led people.
This Tesco behaviour makes my blood boil. >:( >:( >:(
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I agree completely guys... Tesco were totally out of order and as for the comments...... Perhaps they should all get a job and a life and then live in the real world!!
TBH we do use Tesco for some of our shopping, mainly because the nearest supermarket is Tesco at 7 miles each way, the next one is about 10 miles (Sainsburys) but too expensive, the next one being about 16 Miles away! However, it's only for the tins and dry goods... All our meat comes from a proper local butcher (most meat has travelled under 20 miles) and most of our Veg from a market stall at the local auctions (again, most stuff is from local farms).
I think we do our best to use local produce so I can justify runninga big car to compensate for my food's carbon footprint :D :D :D
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I often buy beer / wine / spirits with a 4 and 1 year old with me
Whats next, that enough to stop me being served?
If so Tesco will be picking all my shopping off the floor and restacking their shelves!
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That would be exactly what I would do, my daughter is welcome to a taste of my Whisky if she wants to, but she stopped drinking it when she was 3 ::) ::) ::)
Well, I was shopping today with my daughter, bought a bottle of Whisky and the checkout girl said nothing, mind she looked about 12 herself..... ;D ;D ;D