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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Grumpy on 04 September 2008, 12:58:53
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Words fail me.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7596798.stm
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This story is getting a lot of airing on various military forums - Arrse, e-goat, PPrune and I believe has been on both local and national radio.
The management of the hotel and the controlling chain seem to be getting an inordinate amount of e-mails, bookings & cancellations, etc etc.
They deserve everything they get ... I just hope the facts as reported are true .. if not there could be a lot of folks wearing an egg like look .. :(
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Owned by americans - says it all really, but there goes all their credibility with the nation.
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That just about sums up some of the attitude in this country at the moment, totally disgusting.
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Owned by americans - says it all really, but there goes all their credibility with the nation.
Apparently although the holding company is called "American Amusements Ltd" it is a UK registered business.
It operates under the "bigapple" name http://www.thebigapple.co.uk/index.php and tries to specalise in american type amusements. AFAIK it has no links to any American company
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Words fail me too ... only because if I said what I thought about this the word filter would go into meltdown !!!!! >:( >:( >:(
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its all ways the same
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Firstly - it's important to remember we only know the facts as reported by the media - (which must always be treated with a pinch of salt!).
Although I agree clearly morally wrong to refuse entry to military personnel, the hotel isn't actually breaking any laws by turning away a potential client. Many hotels have such policies, eg, no stag do's, no groups of footballers / football supporters, so on and so forth - and sometimes this includes no squaddies - purely from the establishments past bad experiences. While this may seem (and be) unfair to the majority of good people, the sad fact is sometimes such a blanket possibility can be necessary in order to safeguard their premises and other customers.
I also wonder why he showed a military ID card to the hotel staff, instead of a driving licence or passport? I guess military (unlike police)ID cards are Home Office approved forms of Identification so nothing wrong with using it in that respect - but sometimes holders of such ID's try and use them for personal gain, eg discounts which does, on occasion, backfire.
Without knowing the facts from the horses mouth so to speak, I'm not going to form a solid opinion based on media coverage alone, so I'll keep an open mind :y
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Madness. Why should he be treated differently to anybody else. :-/
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Firstly - it's important to remember we only know the facts as reported by the media - (which must always be treated with a pinch of salt!).
Although I agree clearly morally wrong to refuse entry to military personnel, the hotel isn't actually breaking any laws by turning away a potential client. Many hotels have such policies, eg, no stag do's, no groups of footballers / football supporters, so on and so forth - and sometimes this includes no squaddies - purely from the establishments past bad experiences. While this may seem (and be) unfair to the majority of good people, the sad fact is sometimes such a blanket possibility can be necessary in order to safeguard their premises and other customers.
I also wonder why he showed a military ID card to the hotel staff, instead of a driving licence or passport? I guess military (unlike police)ID cards are Home Office approved forms of Identification so nothing wrong with using it in that respect - but sometimes holders of such ID's try and use them for personal gain, eg discounts which does, on occasion, backfire.
Without knowing the facts from the horses mouth so to speak, I'm not going to form a solid opinion based on media coverage alone, so I'll keep an open mind :y
Whilst I accept what you say generally, I will dispute the ID matter ... how many British Citizens carry their passport with them at all times in the UK ?? I certainly don't !! As a Serviceman it is second nature that when asked for ID - which happens a lot as you enter restricted areas - to reach for your Mil ID card .. again . if I'm ever asked for ID anywhere its automatic to show my F1250 (RAF ID Card) .. I never think about digging out a driving licence.
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Firstly - it's important to remember we only know the facts as reported by the media - (which must always be treated with a pinch of salt!).
Although I agree clearly morally wrong to refuse entry to military personnel, the hotel isn't actually breaking any laws by turning away a potential client. Many hotels have such policies, eg, no stag do's, no groups of footballers / football supporters, so on and so forth - and sometimes this includes no squaddies - purely from the establishments past bad experiences. While this may seem (and be) unfair to the majority of good people, the sad fact is sometimes such a blanket possibility can be necessary in order to safeguard their premises and other customers.
I also wonder why he showed a military ID card to the hotel staff, instead of a driving licence or passport? I guess military (unlike police)ID cards are Home Office approved forms of Identification so nothing wrong with using it in that respect - but sometimes holders of such ID's try and use them for personal gain, eg discounts which does, on occasion, backfire.
Without knowing the facts from the horses mouth so to speak, I'm not going to form a solid opinion based on media coverage alone, so I'll keep an open mind :y
Whilst I accept what you say generally, I will dispute the ID matter ... how many British Citizens carry their passport with them at all times in the UK ?? I certainly don't !! As a Serviceman it is second nature that when asked for ID - which happens a lot as you enter restricted areas - to reach for your Mil ID card .. again . if I'm ever asked for ID anywhere its automatic to show my F1250 (RAF ID Card) .. I never think about digging out a driving licence.
Yep - I don't disagree with you. As I mentioned, for military their ID card is acceptable ID for them. Didn't realise it was so commonly used though, so fair point :y
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Firstly - it's important to remember we only know the facts as reported by the media - (which must always be treated with a pinch of salt!).
Although I agree clearly morally wrong to refuse entry to military personnel, the hotel isn't actually breaking any laws by turning away a potential client. Many hotels have such policies, eg, no stag do's, no groups of footballers / football supporters, so on and so forth - and sometimes this includes no squaddies - purely from the establishments past bad experiences. While this may seem (and be) unfair to the majority of good people, the sad fact is sometimes such a blanket possibility can be necessary in order to safeguard their premises and other customers.
I also wonder why he showed a military ID card to the hotel staff, instead of a driving licence or passport? I guess military (unlike police)ID cards are Home Office approved forms of Identification so nothing wrong with using it in that respect - but sometimes holders of such ID's try and use them for personal gain, eg discounts which does, on occasion, backfire.
Without knowing the facts from the horses mouth so to speak, I'm not going to form a solid opinion based on media coverage alone, so I'll keep an open mind :y
Whilst I accept what you say generally, I will dispute the ID matter ... how many British Citizens carry their passport with them at all times in the UK ?? I certainly don't !! As a Serviceman it is second nature that when asked for ID - which happens a lot as you enter restricted areas - to reach for your Mil ID card .. again . if I'm ever asked for ID anywhere its automatic to show my F1250 (RAF ID Card) .. I never think about digging out a driving licence.
As you say, force of habit and not carrying any other ID acceptable to the establishment concerned.
I NEVER carry my drivers licence (still the old A4 folded and disintegrating pink jobbie!) and if asked for ID have only my "official" card to show.
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Firstly - it's important to remember we only know the facts as reported by the media - (which must always be treated with a pinch of salt!).
Although I agree clearly morally wrong to refuse entry to military personnel, the hotel isn't actually breaking any laws by turning away a potential client. Many hotels have such policies, eg, no stag do's, no groups of footballers / football supporters, so on and so forth - and sometimes this includes no squaddies - purely from the establishments past bad experiences. While this may seem (and be) unfair to the majority of good people, the sad fact is sometimes such a blanket possibility can be necessary in order to safeguard their premises and other customers.
I also wonder why he showed a military ID card to the hotel staff, instead of a driving licence or passport? I guess military (unlike police)ID cards are Home Office approved forms of Identification so nothing wrong with using it in that respect - but sometimes holders of such ID's try and use them for personal gain, eg discounts which does, on occasion, backfire.
Without knowing the facts from the horses mouth so to speak, I'm not going to form a solid opinion based on media coverage alone, so I'll keep an open mind :y
Whilst I accept what you say generally, I will dispute the ID matter ... how many British Citizens carry their passport with them at all times in the UK ?? I certainly don't !! As a Serviceman it is second nature that when asked for ID - which happens a lot as you enter restricted areas - to reach for your Mil ID card .. again . if I'm ever asked for ID anywhere its automatic to show my F1250 (RAF ID Card) .. I never think about digging out a driving licence.
As you say, force of habit and not carrying any other ID acceptable to the establishment concerned.
I NEVER carry my drivers licence (still the old A4 folded and disintegrating pink jobbie!) and if asked for ID have only my "official" card to show.
Count - is the official card you hold a military one, or otherwise?
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Otherwise, James ;) In the day, though, I must admit I used my warrant card as general ID too :-[ Very handy on the buses and trains -- do Plod still get free transport ???
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Otherwise, James ;) In the day, though, I must admit I used my warrant card as general ID too :-[ Very handy on the buses and trains -- do Plod still get free transport ???
We have recently been told that our warrant cards are actually no longer considered by the home office to be formal "ID" to identify ourselves as person... (eg, when in a bank, so on) - they are only to be used to identify ourselves as.... what we are, when acting in the capacity of our roles ;)
In terms of free travel, Met PCs still get unlimited tube/bus, DLR, but NOT National rail. Otherwise it's Force specific - we get free countywide bus travel, but any other travel expenses, incl petrol, must be claimed on a lenghty form...
Edited to add - a few Met PC's have recently been disciplined and investigated, for "briefing it" in order to get free personal travel when off duty!
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I remember, long ago, a sign in the local PO stating that acceptable forms of ID were:
Drivers Licence
Passport
Official ID card
Birth Certificate
Just to be awkward I went and got a short form Birth Cert and presented that. Lassie behind the counter was happy to accept it, so I asked how on earth that bit of paper confirmed who I was ? She didn't have a clue ... but it was on her list as acceptable!!!!
Anyway -- we have strayed off topic -- for which I apologise ......... :-[
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Just to go off topic a little more - do Plod retain warrant cards on retirement, then?
If so, does that mean they are still holders of the Office of Constable?
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Just to go off topic a little more - do Plod retain warrant cards on retirement, then?
If so, does that mean they are still holders of the Office of Constable?
Never used to -- doubt they do now. When you retire or otherwise leave you hand back the warrant. Morally I would guess the oath still stands :-? But no official office.
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Just to go off topic a little more - do Plod retain warrant cards on retirement, then?
If so, does that mean they are still holders of the Office of Constable?
Never used to -- doubt they do now. When you retire or otherwise leave you hand back the warrant. Morally I would guess the oath still stands :-? But no official office.
Thanks for confirmation :y
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i heard this on 5live this morning - interview with the mum - she could see the hotels view as they've had trouble seemingly with squaddies in the past - her complaint was her son was on his own and "not the type" to cause trouble
this is the problem with companies issuing sweeping edicts to their staff - first complaint - its national news and the hotel loses business!!!
good - hope they learn from it
i suppose no photocopy salesmen or regional managers (as an example) have EVER caused ANY trouble in one of their hotels? its discrimination plain and simple
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its discrimination plain and simple
Maybe so - but it's not unlawful discrimination :y
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If it isnt,it should be. >:(
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Seems we're talking legalities here & yes service men & or women can misbehave same as the rest of us but in this particular case the hotel was way out of order. He & others like him are subjected to things that would terrify most of us & before anyone says it was his choice to sign up he still deals with with things that many of us would would run from, so had he have knocked at my door he'd have got a shower, a meal & a nights kip in the spare room.
In my opinion this is as abhorrent as the scum who attack fire & ambulance crews. Don't forget who we're glad to see when we're in trouble. :(
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could,nt agree more Amigov6.
you can get hung drawn and quartered ,so to speak,for percieved discrimination against all sorts of people,so if it is lawful to discriminate against a soldier who has returned from serving his country then the law and justice really are distant cousins.
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who decides what's 'lawful' and whats 'un-lawful' discrimination?
that really gets my goat >:(
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could,nt agree more Amigov6.
you can get hung drawn and quartered ,so to speak,for percieved discrimination against all sorts of people,so if it is lawful to discriminate against a soldier who has returned from serving his country then the law and justice really are distant cousins.
Fully agree..................
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Hotel is totally out of order and I hope the din who refused him has now learn't a lesson from this "mistake" and hangs their head in shame.
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Firstly - it's important to remember we only know the facts as reported by the media - (which must always be treated with a pinch of salt!).
Although I agree clearly morally wrong to refuse entry to military personnel, the hotel isn't actually breaking any laws by turning away a potential client. Many hotels have such policies, eg, no stag do's, no groups of footballers / football supporters, so on and so forth - and sometimes this includes no squaddies - purely from the establishments past bad experiences. While this may seem (and be) unfair to the majority of good people, the sad fact is sometimes such a blanket possibility can be necessary in order to safeguard their premises and other customers.
I also wonder why he showed a military ID card to the hotel staff, instead of a driving licence or passport? I guess military (unlike police)ID cards are Home Office approved forms of Identification so nothing wrong with using it in that respect - but sometimes holders of such ID's try and use them for personal gain, eg discounts which does, on occasion, backfire.
Without knowing the facts from the horses mouth so to speak, I'm not going to form a solid opinion based on media coverage alone, so I'll keep an open mind :y
Whilst I accept what you say generally, I will dispute the ID matter ... how many British Citizens carry their passport with them at all times in the UK ?? I certainly don't !! As a Serviceman it is second nature that when asked for ID - which happens a lot as you enter restricted areas - to reach for your Mil ID card .. again . if I'm ever asked for ID anywhere its automatic to show my F1250 (RAF ID Card) .. I never think about digging out a driving licence.
As you say, force of habit and not carrying any other ID acceptable to the establishment concerned.
I NEVER carry my drivers licence (still the old A4 folded and disintegrating pink jobbie!) and if asked for ID have only my "official" card to show.
We are obliged to carry our ID cards everywhere. It is a punishable offence not to with the exception of a few dodgy countries where we do not have to take them. As far as getting into nightclubs I 'hide' mine and show my driving license instead.
As far as getting refused a hotel room now thats just silly! I understand that they have had problems in the past but with better dialogue with the units concerned you can put that hotel out of bounds for certain garrisons/regiments thus the owner can be sure that any military is from elsewhere and not going to p!ss in the wardrobes.....
I often ask for military discount as I am interested into how many firms either do a discount or which firms that I know do them inform their staff. I recently found out that a large well known foreign exchange company has stopped giving military discount! I am also in the process of researching which couriers deliver to BFPO and how many charge extra for delivering to the BFPO sorting office in London.... :o
The results will shock you...... :(
C£#%!$
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Why shouldnt they refuse him a room....excatly what makes him so special..????
The hotel can refuse who they want...maybe it was a case they didnt want other squaddies turning up.
Sorry canmt see what all the fuss is about.... ::)
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Why shouldnt they refuse him a room....excatly what makes him so special..????
The hotel can refuse who they want...maybe it was a case they didnt want other squaddies turning up.
Sorry canmt see what all the fuss is about.... ::)
What makes him so special? Only that he is prepared to lay his life on the line to defend Queen, Country and our cosy way of life. In my opinion, society owes him a debt of respect for this which it clearly didn't show in this case.
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Why shouldnt they refuse him a room....excatly what makes him so special..????
The hotel can refuse who they want...maybe it was a case they didnt want other squaddies turning up.
Sorry canmt see what all the fuss is about.... ::)
What makes him so special? Only that he is prepared to lay his life on the line to defend Queen, Country and our cosy way of life. In my opinion, society owes him a debt of respect for this which it clearly didn't show in this case.
Its a job.... ::)
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What makes him so special? I wo'nt dignify that with a reply. >:(
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Why shouldnt they refuse him a room....excatly what makes him so special..????
The hotel can refuse who they want...maybe it was a case they didnt want other squaddies turning up.
Sorry canmt see what all the fuss is about.... ::)
What makes him so special? Only that he is prepared to lay his life on the line to defend Queen, Country and our cosy way of life. In my opinion, society owes him a debt of respect for this which it clearly didn't show in this case.
Its a job.... ::)
no doubt a job that you would be too scared to do
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could,nt agree more Amigov6.
you can get hung drawn and quartered ,so to speak,for percieved discrimination against all sorts of people,so if it is lawful to discriminate against a soldier who has returned from serving his country then the law and justice really are distant cousins.
i have no problem with army people
but serving his country is a big world ... it s all about ego and tristy
uk and usa ((not people)) they go to afghnestan and iraq for what ??? since they
been their over 155000 childern age 4 -12 died b'use of 9,11??no i dont think so
they should the gone to my country persia/iran .b'use that goverment is
100% terrorist((not people)) but they dont why ?? b'use petrol would be £5 a liter
so serving his country is wrong word. i dont think the people in army see it as they serving thier country it s more like a job that s it.
if i t was serving country that hotel guy wouldnt even charge him for 1 night room...that s how i think but maybe iam wrong
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What makes him so special? I wo'nt dignify that with a reply. >:(
Sorry but all this ""I signed up for queen and country"" in my opinion is over played....no doubt a handful may but for many im sure its seen as steady work/carrier and some saves going on the dole,lets face it you don't meet too many cannon fodder with degree"s now do you.
Work/worked with enough ex servicemen in my job and the doors too have been able to form an opinion.
So again i say what makes him special....should they have bowed and scraped and allowed him a room....NO they shouldn't as he"s no different from an accountant....a shelf stacker or a road sweeper as he"s chosen too do a JOB as they would have. ::)
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Why shouldnt they refuse him a room....excatly what makes him so special..????
The hotel can refuse who they want...maybe it was a case they didnt want other squaddies turning up.
Sorry canmt see what all the fuss is about.... ::)
What makes him so special? Only that he is prepared to lay his life on the line to defend Queen, Country and our cosy way of life. In my opinion, society owes him a debt of respect for this which it clearly didn't show in this case.
Its a job.... ::)
no doubt a job that you would be too scared to do
Why would i be too scared... ;D
Youve obliviously never met my ex wife. ::)
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Why shouldnt they refuse him a room....excatly what makes him so special..????
The hotel can refuse who they want...maybe it was a case they didnt want other squaddies turning up.
Sorry canmt see what all the fuss is about.... ::)
What makes him so special? Only that he is prepared to lay his life on the line to defend Queen, Country and our cosy way of life. In my opinion, society owes him a debt of respect for this which it clearly didn't show in this case.
Its a job.... ::)
He was, as I understand it, in the area to arrange the funeral for a fellow soldier who was killed in action. No, it's not just a job as you put it. These guys are expected to expose themselves to ROUTINE fatal danger in the course of their duty. No other "job" would permit such exposure.
Would YOU do it?
The UK's armed forces deserve our respect and support.
I suggest that your comment, "It's just a job", is inappropriate. >:(
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Why shouldnt they refuse him a room....excatly what makes him so special..????
The hotel can refuse who they want...maybe it was a case they didnt want other squaddies turning up.
Sorry canmt see what all the fuss is about.... ::)
What makes him so special? Only that he is prepared to lay his life on the line to defend Queen, Country and our cosy way of life. In my opinion, society owes him a debt of respect for this which it clearly didn't show in this case.
Its a job.... ::)
So you will risk your life for your employer?
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Why shouldnt they refuse him a room....excatly what makes him so special..????
The hotel can refuse who they want...maybe it was a case they didnt want other squaddies turning up.
Sorry canmt see what all the fuss is about.... ::)
What makes him so special? Only that he is prepared to lay his life on the line to defend Queen, Country and our cosy way of life. In my opinion, society owes him a debt of respect for this which it clearly didn't show in this case.
Its a job.... ::)
He was, as I understand it, in the area to arrange the funeral for a fellow soldier who was killed in action. No, it's not just a job as you put it. These guys are expected to expose themselves to ROUTINE fatal danger in the course of their duty. No other "job" would permit such exposure.
Would YOU do it?
The UK's armed forces deserve our respect and support.
I suggest that your comment, "It's just a job", is inappropriate. >:(
No i certainly wouldn't do it as ive no interest in serving such a cess pit of a country and cant understand why anyone would. ::)
He signed up for it so he would have wanted it....why bitch about it when it happens.
He has made a decision too go too war and quite possibly kill or be killed why on earth should i admire that. ::)
Oh and lets be perfectly honest a large proportion of squaddies are piss head yobs on leave....says it all really.
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Why shouldnt they refuse him a room....excatly what makes him so special..????
The hotel can refuse who they want...maybe it was a case they didnt want other squaddies turning up.
Sorry canmt see what all the fuss is about.... ::)
What makes him so special? Only that he is prepared to lay his life on the line to defend Queen, Country and our cosy way of life. In my opinion, society owes him a debt of respect for this which it clearly didn't show in this case.
Its a job.... ::)
So you will risk your life for your employer?
Well depending on what site im working on then yes i have and possibly would if i felt it appropriate.
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well p**s off out of the country then
would love to get a group of as you call them piss head yobs to meet you one day
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well p**s off out of the country then
would love to get a group of as you call them piss head yobs to meet you one day
Just proves my point darling....... ;D ;D
Enlighten me on why i should p**s off out of this country....thats if you have the mental capacity to explain.
If its easier for you just grunt.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ::)
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What makes him so special? I wo'nt dignify that with a reply. >:(
Sorry but all this ""I signed up for queen and country"" in my opinion is over played....no doubt a handful may but for many im sure its seen as steady work/carrier and some saves going on the dole,lets face it you don't meet too many cannon fodder with degree"s now do you.
Work/worked with enough ex servicemen in my job and the doors too have been able to form an opinion.
So again i say what makes him special....should they have bowed and scraped and allowed him a room....NO they shouldn't as he"s no different from an accountant....a shelf stacker or a road sweeper as he"s chosen too do a JOB as they would have. ::)
I'm not man enough to be a soldier & serve in peace or wartime. Neither could i be a fireman etc. I lack the self discipline & the bottle which is why i drive a truck for a living. I already made the point that they signed up out of choice, the fact that they did puts them above the likes of you & i in our civvy jobs.
So no matter how proud i am in my artic & no matter how proud you are stood on a club door both our jobs do'nt come close to what they might have to face.
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What makes him so special? I wo'nt dignify that with a reply. >:(
Sorry but all this ""I signed up for queen and country"" in my opinion is over played....no doubt a handful may but for many im sure its seen as steady work/carrier and some saves going on the dole,lets face it you don't meet too many cannon fodder with degree"s now do you.
Work/worked with enough ex servicemen in my job and the doors too have been able to form an opinion.
So again i say what makes him special....should they have bowed and scraped and allowed him a room....NO they shouldn't as he"s no different from an accountant....a shelf stacker or a road sweeper as he"s chosen too do a JOB as they would have. ::)
I'm not man enough to be a soldier & serve in peace or wartime. Neither could i be a fireman etc. I lack the self discipline & the bottle which is why i drive a truck for a living. I already made the point that they signed up out of choice, the fact that they did puts them above the likes of you & i in our civvy jobs.
So no matter how proud i am in my artic & no matter how proud you are stood on a club door both our jobs do'nt come close to what they might have to face.
In no way suggesting what we do does as you say it simply cant....thats not the issue i have.
The issue i have is people banging on about how unjustly the soldier was treated....i dont feel he was,the hotel has every right too refuse him which is what they did.
But as he is a solider they start dragging up how he risks his live for his country....now that makes me sick far too much like the American sickly sweet shite.
He slept in his car ffs....not exactly as if he had too sleep rough. ::)
People seem too quickly forget what happens when you get a group of squaddies together......piss up punch up throw up......!!!
Hence why i don't agree with all the bullshit comments people churn out.
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well p**s off out of the country then
would love to get a group of as you call them piss head yobs to meet you one day
Just proves my point darling....... ;D ;D
Enlighten me on why i should p**s off out of this country....thats if you have the mental capacity to explain.
If its easier for you just grunt.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ::)
you seem to be the sort of person who wants it both ways wants a decent country to live in but would run a mile if you had to enlist in the forces to help serve the country which you clearly say you dont like
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Why shouldnt they refuse him a room....excatly what makes him so special..????
The hotel can refuse who they want...maybe it was a case they didnt want other squaddies turning up.
Sorry canmt see what all the fuss is about.... ::)
What makes him so special? Only that he is prepared to lay his life on the line to defend Queen, Country and our cosy way of life. In my opinion, society owes him a debt of respect for this which it clearly didn't show in this case.
Its a job.... ::)
He was, as I understand it, in the area to arrange the funeral for a fellow soldier who was killed in action. No, it's not just a job as you put it. These guys are expected to expose themselves to ROUTINE fatal danger in the course of their duty. No other "job" would permit such exposure.
Would YOU do it?
The UK's armed forces deserve our respect and support.
I suggest that your comment, "It's just a job", is inappropriate. >:(
No i certainly wouldn't do it as ive no interest in serving such a cess pit of a country and cant understand why anyone would. ::)
He signed up for it so he would have wanted it....why pregnant dog about it when it happens.
He has made a decision too go too war and quite possibly kill or be killed why on earth should i admire that. ::)
Oh and lets be perfectly honest a large proportion of squaddies are piss head yobs on leave....says it all really.
I wholly disagree with your views, although you are nevertheless entitled to air them. That said, I shall refrain from further comment
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Stuart30. Many of us have "bitchies" on here, differing opinions make the world go round & we're all entitled to our views. Despite that we can meet up or talk & laugh on other topics, no harm done. However i disagree with your opinion to the point of being disgusted with you & your comments. I consider you a truly abhorrent & disgraceful person. You need to wind your neck in & have word with yourself.
The "Cesspit" door is open when you're ready to leave. You won't be missed.
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Alright guys, different views are held, and as a result tensions are running a little bit high here.
We are all aware the admins are most possibly all in Newent, so please let's put this into perspective, and take some responsibility for keeping this as a constructive debate, rather than a flame thrower ;)
The way I see it is this.
So far, we only have what we have read in the media, and on the internet, to go on. While this may be used to form an opinion, I am sure the majority will agree that such sources are not always 100.1% reliable. The media are known for throwing things out of proportion, and I never forget this when forming an opinion.
If the facts reported are indeed correct, and this injured soldier who was otherwise perfectly amicable was refused entry because of his profession, then, on it's merits - I think it's unfair he was turned away. Not necessarily the truth, but my opinion nevertheless. On the other end of the scale, if the hotel had previously encountered problems with soldiers, then I feel we must also respect why they may have been over cautious.
While the hotel may well have acted unreasonably, I'm not entirely sure about the soldiers claims he could not find any other hotel in the centre of Woking. He was travelling by car in a large city, therefore easily in reach of a large number of hotels, even if this means a 25 minute journey to a motorway travel lodge.
At the end of the day, this could well have been (as the hotel reported) a mistake by a member of staff - or maybe a "bad apple" working at the hotel. But ultimately, apart from pride being hurt, no real harm was done. So as long as lessons are learnt (I doubt the hotel will turn away another soldier anytime soon!) Then it's probably quite pointless to keep flaming the establishment indefinately.
While trying to remain impartial to the debate without knowing full facts from a trusted source...
I must remark on your point, Stuart30, about signing up for "Queen and Country" being an alternative to going on the Dole, and being a "Carrier" for pissheads, etc.
While not for the armed forces, In November this year, I am swearing an oath for Queen and Country in a court of law, in order to perform a new commitment which strictly speaking will make me no longer a civillian. You can't really call this a "carrier" for me, on the basis that I am going to be doing what I do alongside my full time job, on an entirely voluntary (unpaid) basis, with the end result being more support and protection for members of the public such as yourself. So Please, don't tar everyone, or even the majority, with that brush :y
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Fair point James but he's out of order. Cesspit? we're all illiterate?
Thought a good doorman was supposed to stop fights not start 'em.
As you stated admins busy, fair go mate we should behave in thier absence but this REALLY makes my sh*t itch. *%$"!()_<:@+!!!!!!!!!!
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I think the admin should pull this before some ouf our members, perhaps at Newent, read it. >:( H21 is at home.
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Fair point James but he's out of order. Cesspit? we're all illiterate?
Thought a good doorman was supposed to stop fights not start 'em.
As you stated admins busy, fair go mate we should behave in thier absence but this REALLY makes my sh*t itch. *%$"!()_<:@+!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe so, but the respective points have been made - so let's leave it there :y
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Did you not go to Newent then james?
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Probably a good idea, & i know i've poured petrol on the fire.
Too late to phone Broocie now but i think all opinions have been vented so hopefully it will die it's own death.
My comments were more out of pure disbelief than anger but i undertook to stop ranting & will stick to my promise & shut up now.
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Probably a good idea, & i know i've poured petrol on the fire.
Too late to phone Broocie now but i think all opinions have been vented so hopefully it will die it's own death. My comments were more out of pure disbelief than anger but i undertook to stop ranting & will stick to my promise & shut up now.
I agree and suggest no further posts........................... :(
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Probably a good idea, & i know i've poured petrol on the fire.
Too late to phone Broocie now but i think all opinions have been vented so hopefully it will die it's own death.
My comments were more out of pure disbelief than anger but i undertook to stop ranting & will stick to my promise & shut up now.
I don't think the thread needs any radical pruning at this stage, certainly not enough to warrant getting anyone up :y
As you say, differences aired, so it's all over and done :)
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Probably a good idea, & i know i've poured petrol on the fire.
Too late to phone Broocie now but i think all opinions have been vented so hopefully it will die it's own death.
My comments were more out of pure disbelief than anger but i undertook to stop ranting & will stick to my promise & shut up now.
I don't think the thread needs any radical pruning at this stage, certainly not enough to warrant getting anyone up :y
As you say, differences aired, so it's all over and done :)
So you are there, lightweights.............. ;D ;D ;D
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Probably a good idea, & i know i've poured petrol on the fire.
Too late to phone Broocie now but i think all opinions have been vented so hopefully it will die it's own death.
My comments were more out of pure disbelief than anger but i undertook to stop ranting & will stick to my promise & shut up now.
I don't think the thread needs any radical pruning at this stage, certainly not enough to warrant getting anyone up :y
As you say, differences aired, so it's all over and done :)
So you are there, lightweights.............. ;D ;D ;D
Well I was desperate for food, so I've just rustled up some sausages cut up, with curry sauce and rice - and I reckon it rivals the curry house ;D
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Probably a good idea, & i know i've poured petrol on the fire.
Too late to phone Broocie now but i think all opinions have been vented so hopefully it will die it's own death.
My comments were more out of pure disbelief than anger but i undertook to stop ranting & will stick to my promise & shut up now.
I don't think the thread needs any radical pruning at this stage, certainly not enough to warrant getting anyone up :y
As you say, differences aired, so it's all over and done :)
So you are there, lightweights.............. ;D ;D ;D
Well I was desperate for food, so I've just rustled up some sausages cut up, with curry sauce and rice - and I reckon it rivals the curry house ;D
Thanks for making me feel hungry, just had a pork pie.... :P :P :P
Are you at newent then, what is the weather like? :)
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I'm at home (Or Maria's at least) - it's just calmed, but the conditions were awful, earlier.
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Thouht you had booked the last pitch?
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Up yours Mike!!!!!!!!! ;D James stepped as the voice of reason @ the right time. I stand by everything i said but will say no more, no need really, i've said enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8-) ;D :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
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Thouht you had booked the last pitch?
There were a couple of factors upon arrival that made us decide we would be better off not staying - no big deal, though :y
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Thouht you had booked the last pitch?
There were a couple of factors upon arrival that made us decide we would be better off not staying - no big deal, though :y
The rain...... ;D ;D ;D
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Thouht you had booked the last pitch?
There were a couple of factors upon arrival that made us decide we would be better off not staying - no big deal, though :y
The rain...... ;D ;D ;D
Believe it or not, no :P ;D
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Thouht you had booked the last pitch?
There were a couple of factors upon arrival that made us decide we would be better off not staying - no big deal, though :y
The rain...... ;D ;D ;D
Believe it or not, no :P ;D
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well p**s off out of the country then
would love to get a group of as you call them piss head yobs to meet you one day
Just proves my point darling....... ;D ;D
Enlighten me on why i should p**s off out of this country....thats if you have the mental capacity to explain.
If its easier for you just grunt.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ::)
you seem to be the sort of person who wants it both ways wants a decent country to live in but would run a mile if you had to enlist in the forces to help serve the country which you clearly say you dont like
So the armed forces makes this a decent country....thats what your saying. ::) ::)
I think you've been on the amusements too long son.
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well p**s off out of the country then
would love to get a group of as you call them piss head yobs to meet you one day
Just proves my point darling....... ;D ;D
Enlighten me on why i should p**s off out of this country....thats if you have the mental capacity to explain.
If its easier for you just grunt.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ::)
you seem to be the sort of person who wants it both ways wants a decent country to live in but would run a mile if you had to enlist in the forces to help serve the country which you clearly say you dont like
So the armed forces makes this a decent country....thats what your saying. ::) ::)
I think you've been on the amusements too long son.
People slag off the Armed forces, same for the Police, same for the NHS - but although each service has it's faults and drawbacks, we would still be lost without any one of them.
Please, please, let this drop :y
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I must remark on your point, Stuart30, about signing up for "Queen and Country" being an alternative to going on the Dole, and being a "Carrier" for pissheads, etc.
While not for the armed forces, In November this year, I am swearing an oath for Queen and Country in a court of law, in order to perform a new commitment which strictly speaking will make me no longer a civillian. You can't really call this a "carrier" for me, on the basis that I am going to be doing what I do alongside my full time job, on an entirely voluntary (unpaid) basis, with the end result being more support and protection for members of the public such as yourself. So Please, don't tar everyone, or even the majority, with that brush :y
Then i don't see what your getting at James.
Special constable i assume you mean.?
Ive worked with plenty of ex servicemen so as much as some may not like what i say i stick too my guns....quite simply if people don't like my opinion then that's there prerogative,makes no odds too me.
Id rather be disliked as i have a strong opinion than simply be a sheep and jump on the forever rolling bandwagon.
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Stuart30. Many of us have "bitchies" on here, differing opinions make the world go round & we're all entitled to our views. Despite that we can meet up or talk & laugh on other topics, no harm done. However i disagree with your opinion to the point of being disgusted with you & your comments. I consider you a truly abhorrent & disgraceful person. You need to wind your neck in & have word with yourself.
The "Cesspit" door is open when you're ready to leave. You won't be missed.
Its quite simple....you don't like my opinion then don't read it simple.
Oh and ""Ive had a word with myself"" and yep still have the same opinion. ;D
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I must remark on your point, Stuart30, about signing up for "Queen and Country" being an alternative to going on the Dole, and being a "Carrier" for pissheads, etc.
While not for the armed forces, In November this year, I am swearing an oath for Queen and Country in a court of law, in order to perform a new commitment which strictly speaking will make me no longer a civillian. You can't really call this a "carrier" for me, on the basis that I am going to be doing what I do alongside my full time job, on an entirely voluntary (unpaid) basis, with the end result being more support and protection for members of the public such as yourself. So Please, don't tar everyone, or even the majority, with that brush :y
Then i don't see what your getting at James.
Special constable i assume you mean.?
Ive worked with plenty of ex servicemen so as much as some may not like what i say i stick too my guns....quite simply if people don't like my opinion then that's there prerogative,makes no odds too me.
Id rather be disliked as i have a strong opinion than simply be a sheep and jump on the forever rolling bandwagon.
I think, ultimately, you have made your opinions known, so no benefit in further posting them :y
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Each to there own, can we draw a line, on this thread :)
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I must remark on your point, Stuart30, about signing up for "Queen and Country" being an alternative to going on the Dole, and being a "Carrier" for pissheads, etc.
While not for the armed forces, In November this year, I am swearing an oath for Queen and Country in a court of law, in order to perform a new commitment which strictly speaking will make me no longer a civillian. You can't really call this a "carrier" for me, on the basis that I am going to be doing what I do alongside my full time job, on an entirely voluntary (unpaid) basis, with the end result being more support and protection for members of the public such as yourself. So Please, don't tar everyone, or even the majority, with that brush :y
Then i don't see what your getting at James.
Special constable i assume you mean.?
Ive worked with plenty of ex servicemen so as much as some may not like what i say i stick too my guns....quite simply if people don't like my opinion then that's there prerogative,makes no odds too me.
Id rather be disliked as i have a strong opinion than simply be a sheep and jump on the forever rolling bandwagon.
I think, ultimately, you have made your opinions known, so no benefit in further posting them :y
You know what James....i think you might have a point.
Really cant be arsed any more with either the car or the site. :y
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I must remark on your point, Stuart30, about signing up for "Queen and Country" being an alternative to going on the Dole, and being a "Carrier" for pissheads, etc.
While not for the armed forces, In November this year, I am swearing an oath for Queen and Country in a court of law, in order to perform a new commitment which strictly speaking will make me no longer a civillian. You can't really call this a "carrier" for me, on the basis that I am going to be doing what I do alongside my full time job, on an entirely voluntary (unpaid) basis, with the end result being more support and protection for members of the public such as yourself. So Please, don't tar everyone, or even the majority, with that brush :y
Then i don't see what your getting at James.
Special constable i assume you mean.?
Ive worked with plenty of ex servicemen so as much as some may not like what i say i stick too my guns....quite simply if people don't like my opinion then that's there prerogative,makes no odds too me.
Id rather be disliked as i have a strong opinion than simply be a sheep and jump on the forever rolling bandwagon.
I think, ultimately, you have made your opinions known, so no benefit in further posting them :y
You know what James....i think you might have a point.
Really cant be arsed any more with either the car or the site. :y
As already said by others - each to their own.
I hope your decision turns out to be right for you :y
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What makes him so special? I wo'nt dignify that with a reply. >:(
Sorry but all this ""I signed up for queen and country"" in my opinion is over played....no doubt a handful may but for many im sure its seen as steady work/carrier and some saves going on the dole,lets face it you don't meet too many cannon fodder with degree"s now do you.
Work/worked with enough ex servicemen in my job and the doors too have been able to form an opinion.
So again i say what makes him special....should they have bowed and scraped and allowed him a room....NO they shouldn't as he"s no different from an accountant....a shelf stacker or a road sweeper as he"s chosen too do a JOB as they would have. ::)
You're right they should not have treated him special but they treated him differently to anyone else by refusing him a room, you're missing the point slightly.....
And yes it is a 'job' or 'career' but I feel a great pride wearing my uniform and noone else will make me think otherwise. I am proud because of the people who have come before me, proud because of the men and women who stand beside me, proud for my soldiers who manage the impossible in awful conditions.
Come and see what my medics have to go through in Iraq and Afghan and you will see us in a different light.
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Probably a good idea, & i know i've poured petrol on the fire.
Too late to phone Broocie now but i think all opinions have been vented so hopefully it will die it's own death.
My comments were more out of pure disbelief than anger but i undertook to stop ranting & will stick to my promise & shut up now.
I don't think the thread needs any radical pruning at this stage, certainly not enough to warrant getting anyone up :y
As you say, differences aired, so it's all over and done :)
Sorry I posted before reading this :-[
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I must remark on your point, Stuart30, about signing up for "Queen and Country" being an alternative to going on the Dole, and being a "Carrier" for pissheads, etc.
While not for the armed forces, In November this year, I am swearing an oath for Queen and Country in a court of law, in order to perform a new commitment which strictly speaking will make me no longer a civillian. You can't really call this a "carrier" for me, on the basis that I am going to be doing what I do alongside my full time job, on an entirely voluntary (unpaid) basis, with the end result being more support and protection for members of the public such as yourself. So Please, don't tar everyone, or even the majority, with that brush :y
You have our respect for this.
I have had relatives in Army RAF Navy
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OK. Feelings were running high on this one last night.....
Just read through and it appears that different points of view have been made in different ways which has resulted in a member closing their account. Thats upto the user involved.
Whats asked is, as on any forum, keep discussion polite and pleasant without resorting to verbal (typed??) badmouthing and the like.
To quote the forum guidelins at the top of age page....
Keep posts relevant, short, and on topic, especially on Help threads, and meeting organisation threads. General Chat is the only area where we expect things will go off at a tangent!
Members being offensive to other members will not be tolerated.
.... and that means ALL members. Ta. :y
ps - if I had been called at that time of the morning to review a teddy throwing episode then who knows what would have happened...
My admin point made. By all means, continue the debate, but lets be adult about it. No room for 'my Dad is bigger than your Dad' retorts on here.... ;)