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Title: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: STEMO on 24 September 2021, 11:35:41
Queues at all of the fuel stations this morning, bedlam at ASDA. There is no shortage, but the news said BP had had to close a couple of filling stations due to shortage of delivery drivers and there 'might' be a shortage of diesel and unleaded. There will be now.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: STEMO on 24 September 2021, 11:36:47
Sorry, Albs, just seen your post tagged on to the end of another thread.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 24 September 2021, 13:07:30
Sorry, Albs, just seen your post tagged on to the end of another thread.

Keep up at the back.



Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: BazaJT on 24 September 2021, 14:02:14
Bound to happen mention a possible shortage of anything and people will dash out to by masses of whatever it is even if they don't need it,then say smugly "You were told there'd be shortage,luckily we got all we need and more" or words to that effect.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Varche on 24 September 2021, 18:51:09
Shelves are bare in places in supermarkets here in the uk.

Grant Shapps says dont panic. That is enough to send motorists to the pumps. Saw two more on my UK  journeys with no diesel making four in total in a week.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: BazaJT on 24 September 2021, 20:02:02
Of course the press aren't helping by trumpeting "What is causing UK fuel crisis?" The stupidity of people panic buying that's what!
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Raeturbo on 24 September 2021, 20:57:49
Yes far from helping it the press that’s ‘fuelling’ the debacle.🔥🔥
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 25 September 2021, 12:38:12
Part of the issue is the likes of Royal Mail are doing their annual £18ph/£32 O/T recruitment drive. Also, ADR licences require periodic renewal, so a C+E ADR driver that hasn't been able to renew their ticket because of TCV isn't going to sit around and wait for the house to be repossessed, ergo a diminishing supply of tanker drivers.

The logistics supplier to Asda and Sainsbugs has gone bust. Probably from paying agencies £100+ an hour for staff. Those staff and the trucks they drive haven't suddenly vanished. If the price of food needs to rise to cover the cost of the supermarkets taking those jobs in house, so be it. (There is a reason why Waitrose runs its own fleet).

The explosion in online retail over the last few years hasn't helped either. When I worked at TNT in Crawley (2004ish), they used to get four standard trailers a night from the hub... Five in the run up to Christmas. Pretty standard at the time.

Currently doing a part time stint at Hermes in Crawley... They're processing 10+ double deck trailers a night. So that's 10 drivers a day, plus another 16 hgv drivers to deliver the contents of those trailers to all the sub depots. If that's typical, then factor that across the courier industry. That's where your driver shortages come from. Not Brexit.

About a third of drivers I currently work with are Eastern European. Most of those that left did so because if TCV not Brexit.

Wages may have risen slightly, but people are still having to work sixty hour weeks to get anything like the reported wages.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: redelitev6 on 25 September 2021, 20:58:14
I heard there might be a shortage of Viagra  :(
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 25 September 2021, 21:04:57
I heard there might be a shortage of Viagra  :(
Try Tiger Balm ;)


Wrap up though, she might not appreciate it so much :D
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Raeturbo on 25 September 2021, 21:26:35
I heard there might be a shortage of Viagra  :(

                Err… you mean it? Straight up?😂😂
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Mister Rog on 26 September 2021, 01:02:03
I'm panic buying / hoarding
I hear that there's a wine shortage coming
 ::)
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: 78bex on 26 September 2021, 11:19:08
Got on the tail end of a Queue into Tesco Havant yesterday about 5 pm with one of my bikes
The bloke then coned off the entrance & said I was the last one, little Jazz in front took about 3 mins at the pump
When I pushed the bike up along side,  I could see he`d managed to squeeze in £12.50 to top her off  ::)
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: STEMO on 26 September 2021, 14:27:41
Just been out with the dog. Passed four fuel stations, all open, all devoid of queues. Move along, nothing to see here.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 26 September 2021, 15:10:23
Just been out with the dog. Passed four fuel stations, all open, all devoid of queues. Move along, nothing to see here.
I might just have enough to get there to fill it up...  :D

3/4s of a tank ;D
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Varche on 26 September 2021, 16:36:04
Is it tonight or Thursdays that we clap the petrol station workers at 8 pm.?
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Nick W on 26 September 2021, 16:46:04
Is it tonight or Thursdays that we clap the petrol station workers at 8 pm.?


You've met people? People are more likely to be hanging the petrol station workers from their pumps just because they can't sell petrol from empty tanks.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: ronnyd on 26 September 2021, 17:13:38
Got on the tail end of a Queue into Tesco Havant yesterday about 5 pm with one of my bikes
The bloke then coned off the entrance & said I was the last one, little Jazz in front took about 3 mins at the pump
When I pushed the bike up along side,  I could see he`d managed to squeeze in £12.50 to top her off  ::)

Therein lies the problem. Probably used more fuel waiting in the queue than he managed to buy.  ;D
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: STEMO on 27 September 2021, 11:20:09
Brent crude oil has risen by about 6% in the last week, so get ready to pay more for your fuel when you can get it.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Andy B on 27 September 2021, 11:51:17
....
 I could see he`d managed to squeeze in £12.50 to top her off  ::)

 but people put silly amounts in their cars at the best of times. A few years ago I was queueing to pay for my fuel behind a young lad that had presumably been 'coppering up' to pay for his, he'd put about £2.30 in (it wasn't that long ago that fuel was pennies a litre) The lad behind the counter said loads of kids did that, they drove around the car park all night and came in for a couple of quid at a time.

I've just topped off my ML at Tesco .... a splash & dash - £45!  ::) :y
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Rangie on 27 September 2021, 13:02:38
There's a vigil in town tonight for all those who couldn't get to work because of this awful situation..😄😄😄
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: YZ250 on 27 September 2021, 13:48:49
Just been out with the dog. Passed four fuel stations, all open, all devoid of queues. Move along, nothing to see here.

The fuel stations within a ten mile radius of here are all open for coffee/food etc but have no fuel. Luckily I don't need any yet as both of my diesels do a million miles per tank and have plenty in them and our petrol car was already full of fuel. As my wife does around 400 miles per year in her car, she should be ok for fuel for about a year.   ;D
Hopefully it would have calmed down by then.  ::) 

Update:
The Esso garage on the Thame Ring Road roundabout must have had a fuel delivery. The roundabout is gridlocked with vehicles queueing for fuel, preventing all drivers travelling from all five directions from going about their business. The buses will be running late today folks, as they are stuck in the queue. It's mental.  :D
The garages that have fuel out of that radius, i.e. Bicester, are limiting each customer to £20 worth.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Varche on 27 September 2021, 14:31:06
Bedlam in Scarborough today. Had to go to Argos within Sainsburys. No fuel

On way out of town otherstations had people queuing on the road. Can5’tbe mant people left in the country without a full tank!
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 27 September 2021, 15:06:36
It might actually stop me from getting to work if I can't get any by the weekend.

Only one garage between home and Gatwick had fuel, and they only had diesel.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: STEMO on 27 September 2021, 15:07:22
Bedlam in Scarborough today. Had to go to Argos within Sainsburys. No fuel

On way out of town otherstations had people queuing on the road. Can5’tbe mant people left in the country without a full tank!
Full tank? That's no good, I've got a full tank and five jerrycans.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: ronnyd on 27 September 2021, 16:02:02
Walked to local Sainsbury earlier and there were 2 staff on traffic duty. Non fuel customers got straight in to park, fuelies had to join a queue that snaked all they way around the car park. They then started shouting "no diesel" and more than half the queue had to bugger off.  ;D Not much fun for folk who rely on their vehicle for work though.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: STEMO on 27 September 2021, 16:14:07
Wifey has a full tank of diesel (two weeks Sheffield and back) and I have a full tank (two weeks worth of days out with dog). I'm hoping things will have settled down by then.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Rangie on 27 September 2021, 16:34:06
Filled both of ours over a week ago , Subaru done about 30 miles since & the RR about 60 so no panic here , walk the dog over our nearby farm & we can walk into town in 15 minutes.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 27 September 2021, 16:39:51
Out and about earlier a passed a couple of petrol stations, both busy but no major queues or disruption.  :)
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: STEMO on 27 September 2021, 16:44:05
Out and about earlier a passed a couple of petrol stations, both busy but no major queues or disruption.  :)
Plenty of hay for the horses?  ;D
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 27 September 2021, 16:46:15
Out and about earlier a passed a couple of petrol stations, both busy but no major queues or disruption.  :)
Plenty of hay for the horses?  ;D

Neigh!  ::)
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 27 September 2021, 18:18:10
To my knowledge, there isnt a station within 15 miles of here that has any fuel at the moment.
I should be ok for a week or so with Pierre -as long as it doesnt break down again.
Boxster is on fumes and the Omega has about 50 miles left.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Varche on 28 September 2021, 11:31:56
Unsurprisingly the EU lorry drivers arent coming to help UK “out of the sh1t you created yourselves”.

A visa for 3 months doesnt help them plan for the future even if it means £12000 . Good point. I wonder if Boris factored that in?
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: STEMO on 28 September 2021, 12:48:56
Unsurprisingly the EU lorry drivers arent coming to help UK “out of the sh1t you created yourselves”.

A visa for 3 months doesnt help them plan for the future even if it means £12000 . Good point. I wonder if Boris factored that in?
Plus...most of them already have a job. Probably paying a lot less than over here, but would you take a chance that the job is still there when you go home?
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 28 September 2021, 13:23:40
Unsurprisingly the EU lorry drivers arent coming to help UK “out of the sh1t you created yourselves”.

A visa for 3 months doesnt help them plan for the future even if it means £12000 . Good point. I wonder if Boris factored that in?
Plus...most of them already have a job. Probably paying a lot less than over here, but would you take a chance that the job is still there when you go home?

I think there's probably some truth in the theory that BP and the RHA briefed the media that there was a driver shortage which would result in a fuel shortage, to force the governments hand on visas.  The govt on the other hand want the industry to increase pay and train more new drivers rather than just shipping in foreigners.

They really need to kick DVLA (or whatever they call themselves this week) into shape and reduce the red tape and bureaucracy.  I wouldn't be surprised if by the time I had sorted a medical, new digi tacho card, CPC, etc it took six months to resurrect my HGV licence and get to the stage where I could get a job.  ::)  :-\
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 28 September 2021, 14:23:39
I have just been sent a video on Watsapp of a woman in a filling station filling carrier bags with petrol !  :o
The cull needs to come soon.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 28 September 2021, 17:43:20
Unsurprisingly the EU lorry drivers arent coming to help UK “out of the sh1t you created yourselves”.

A visa for 3 months doesnt help them plan for the future even if it means £12000 . Good point. I wonder if Boris factored that in?
Plus...most of them already have a job. Probably paying a lot less than over here, but would you take a chance that the job is still there when you go home?

I think there's probably some truth in the theory that BP and the RHA briefed the media that there was a driver shortage which would result in a fuel shortage, to force the governments hand on visas.  The govt on the other hand want the industry to increase pay and train more new drivers rather than just shipping in foreigners.

They really need to kick DVLA (or whatever they call themselves this week) into shape and reduce the red tape and bureaucracy.  I wouldn't be surprised if by the time I had sorted a medical, new digi tacho card, CPC, etc it took six months to resurrect my HGV licence and get to the stage where I could get a job.  ::)  :-\
CPC can be done virtually now :y

The hardest bit would probably be renewing your digicard.

Recently started a part time job at Herpes, £15 an hour is all well and good, but if you're only doing 8 hour shifts, then you have to do six days before you even think about the £22 an hour O/T. Piss easy work though.

Proper companies might be paying welcome bonuses etc, but real world wages are nothing like the media spun BS.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: STEMO on 28 September 2021, 18:04:46
I didn't go that far today and only passed two Jet filling stations. Both were open and not that busy. I didn't stop to fill up because I might have felt a bit silly putting £4 in.  ;D
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 28 September 2021, 18:07:49
I passed two today. First had no fuel. Second had a queue 100 yards down the road.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 28 September 2021, 18:15:53
Just been to Tesco's for some carrots and the fuel station there was closed.  ::)

On the way back, wondered if my almost full tank of fuel has doubled the value of my Mondeo?  ???  Maybe it's a good time to put it into WBAC!  ;D
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 28 September 2021, 18:19:12
Just been to Tesco's for some carrots and the fuel station there was closed.  ::)

On the way back, wondered if my almost full tank of fuel has doubled the value of my Mondeo?  ???  Maybe it's a good time to put it into WBAC!  ;D

No problem getting petrol here.

The media like to make out it is the end of the world.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: STEMO on 28 September 2021, 18:28:00
As an observation in this thread, and the one about Starmer, I often wonder if the world would be a much happier place without media of any sort.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Raeturbo on 28 September 2021, 19:24:58
Yes indeed blissful ignorance   :y
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: STEMO on 28 September 2021, 19:34:17
There were only a handful of petrol stations up and down the country that ran out of fuel last Thursday. But, by the time the news channels had sent camera crews out to them, we were in a full scale panic.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 28 September 2021, 19:43:33
I paid 134.9p.

The 'rocket fuel' version of unleaded was 158.9. I used this in the Tata but the Signum runs fine on the cheap(er) fuel.

Trip computer for the last 2300 miles works out at 24.6MPG.......although I know the trip computer is about 15% optimistic.

So probably around 22 MPG.......much like a derv car. ::) ::) ::) ;)
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: dave the builder on 28 September 2021, 19:50:15
I hope the local petrol stations have some super unleaded soon
or I'll have to buy several jiffy bags full off EBAY  :(
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: STEMO on 28 September 2021, 19:57:54
I paid 134.9p.

The 'rocket fuel' version of unleaded was 158.9. I used this in the Tata but the Signum runs fine on the cheap(er) fuel.

Trip computer for the last 2300 miles works out at 24.6MPG.......although I know the trip computer is about 15% optimistic.

So probably around 22 MPG.......much like a derv lorry ::) ::) ;)
::)
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: LC0112G on 28 September 2021, 20:13:52
Got a tank full of Unleaded95/E10 for the LC this evening from the local Tescos on the way home from work. Saves me trying to syphon fuel out of the Omega to get me to the weekend. No queue, but most (perhaps all?) of the Diesel pumps were locked off. Good.  ::)
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 28 September 2021, 20:49:18
I paid 134.9p.

The 'rocket fuel' version of unleaded was 158.9. I used this in the Tata but the Signum runs fine on the cheap(er) fuel.

Trip computer for the last 2300 miles works out at 24.6MPG.......although I know the trip computer is about 15% optimistic.

So probably around 22 MPG.......much like a derv lorry ::) ::) ;)
::)

What MPG do you get from the planet and baby killing derv Astra?
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: STEMO on 28 September 2021, 20:57:24
I paid 134.9p.

The 'rocket fuel' version of unleaded was 158.9. I used this in the Tata but the Signum runs fine on the cheap(er) fuel.

Trip computer for the last 2300 miles works out at 24.6MPG.......although I know the trip computer is about 15% optimistic.

So probably around 22 MPG.......much like a derv lorry ::) ::) ;)
::)

What MPG do you get from the planet and baby killing derv Astra?
45, more than twice as much as you do in the ancient sigmund.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Varche on 28 September 2021, 23:11:12
22? What kind of derv car be that? Big Audi. Most will do double that.

I had to go back into Scarborough today and didn’t see any petrol stations with any fuel. Even the expensive one in the village was sold out.Strange seeing empty forecourts. Are the staff furloughed?

Had to smile at Boris talking about folk driving about to see their loved ones. There might just be people driving about because they need to especially in rural parts of the country not well served by public transport.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Andy H on 29 September 2021, 11:05:49
No shortage here in Auckland. We have been in lockdown for 7 weeks & only allowed out for exercise and essentials (includes supermarket shopping and fuel).

Taken us 7 weeks to use 1/2 a tank of petrol.

Had to recharge the battery twice  ::)
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: STEMO on 29 September 2021, 11:08:47
Passed the same two filling stations again today. One had a single car filling up, and the larger one has three cars filling up. Asda fuel was also open with no queues.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 29 September 2021, 13:05:32
Passed the same two filling stations again today. One had a single car filling up, and the larger one has three cars filling up. Asda fuel was also open with no queues.

Yes....same here. Much ado about nothing, as some beardy  fella who lived 400 years ago might have said.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 29 September 2021, 13:21:54
A few months ago exactly the same thing happened in parts of the US when news broke that hackers had broken into the systems of a crucial pipeline and when there were suggestions in the media that it might affect gas (petrol) supplies people panicked and behaved like they have here over the last few days.   :(

Whether there was actually a fuel shortage or not I'm not sure, but just the suggestion there might be, induced the panic buying which certainly caused shortages.  ::)
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: TheBoy on 29 September 2021, 13:24:18
A few months ago exactly the same thing happened in parts of the US when news broke that hackers had broken into the systems of a crucial pipeline and when there were suggestions in the media that it might affect gas (petrol) supplies people panicked and behaved like they have here over the last few days.   :(

Whether there was actually a fuel shortage or not I'm not sure, but just the suggestion there might be, induced the panic buying which certainly caused shortages.  ::)
Which is why the cancer of arsebook needs to be eliminated.  Then we can start on the UK media.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 29 September 2021, 13:25:07
A few months ago exactly the same thing happened in parts of the US when news broke that hackers had broken into the systems of a crucial pipeline and when there were suggestions in the media that it might affect gas (petrol) supplies people panicked and behaved like they have here over the last few days.   :(

Whether there was actually a fuel shortage or not I'm not sure, but just the suggestion there might be, induced the panic buying which certainly caused shortages.  ::)

Negative anticipation of things to come is often worse than the reality.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: TheBoy on 29 September 2021, 13:26:38
22? What kind of derv car be that? Most will do double that.
You aint trying hard enough ;D 

Modern diesels aren't actually that economical until you can get them in a cruising situation.  Which isn't always possible, or you are being a nuisance and getting in someone's way.

Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 29 September 2021, 13:31:50
22? What kind of derv car be that? Most will do double that.
You aint trying hard enough ;D 

Modern diesels aren't actually that economical until you can get them in a cruising situation.  Which isn't always possible, or you are being a nuisance and getting in someone's way.

This will be STMO.......28 MPH in a 50 MPH zone so the motion doesn't make the whippet 'sick up' his Bonio. ;D ;D

This is how he gets 45 MPG.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: STEMO on 29 September 2021, 14:55:55
22? What kind of derv car be that? Most will do double that.
You aint trying hard enough ;D 

Modern diesels aren't actually that economical until you can get them in a cruising situation.  Which isn't always possible, or you are being a nuisance and getting in someone's way.

This will be STMO.......28 MPH in a 50 MPH zone so the motion doesn't make the whippet 'sick up' his Bonio. ;D ;D

This is how he gets 45 MPG.
I'm afraid I did a Jaime last week  :-[ Gave myself quite a shock  :o
I was on the A6195 coming from the M1 towards Barnsley and some arsehole in a shitroen was up my arse, then passing, then slowing....you know the type, playing silly games.
Anyhow, I waited till the road was clear and put my foot down. Most cars will keep up with mine, but it's a question of bottle. He stayed close behind me for a while, then started dropping back. "C**t!" I thought, and glanced down at my speedo which was telling me 104mph. That is not clever on this particular dual carriageway as there are roundabouts at regular intervals.
When I got home I promised myself I would not do it again, let the daft bastards play their games.
I didn't have pooch with me, btw.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: STEMO on 29 September 2021, 15:09:19
22? What kind of derv car be that? Most will do double that.
You aint trying hard enough ;D 

Modern diesels aren't actually that economical until you can get them in a cruising situation.  Which isn't always possible, or you are being a nuisance and getting in someone's way.

This will be STMO.......28 MPH in a 50 MPH zone so the motion doesn't make the whippet 'sick up' his Bonio. ;D ;D

This is how he gets 45 MPG.
I'm afraid I did a Jaime last week  :-[ Gave myself quite a shock  :o
I was on the A6195 coming from the M1 towards Barnsley and some arsehole in a shitroen was up my arse, then passing, then slowing....you know the type, playing silly games.
Anyhow, I waited till the road was clear and put my foot down. Most cars will keep up with mine, but it's a question of bottle. He stayed close behind me for a while, then started dropping back. "C**t!" I thought, and glanced down at my speedo which was telling me 104mph. That is not clever on this particular dual carriageway as there are roundabouts at regular intervals.
When I got home I promised myself I would not do it again, let the daft bastards play their games.
I didn't have pooch with me, btw.
Today, on the same road, it was an 05 vectra estate with a shaven headed youth driving trying to be clever. Sitting on the white line close up my arse. Instead of speeding up I slowed down.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: TheBoy on 29 September 2021, 15:20:13
I'm afraid I did a Jaime last week  :-[ Gave myself quite a shock  :o
You forget I'm a reformed character since my 4 hours of patronisation.


Which reminds me, how long does the probation period last, as mine was nearly 3 years ago.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 29 September 2021, 15:21:28
Drove a new Sprinter today... Mostly because it was the only thing with fuel in it :-X

6 speed manual lwb with four pallets in it.

Managed 34.2 mpg out of it. Mostly due to traffic. It wasn't happy in 6th rolling along at 35mph/1,000 rpm ;D

Still it started with a range of 415 miles and 59 miles later wss saying 400 miles, so must be worth at least a couple of seals and a penguin :D

Did a similar distance in a 12t Daf for the first run... That used about 4 gallons, which is less than I expected, at 16 mpg...
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 29 September 2021, 15:22:18
I'm afraid I did a Jaime last week  :-[ Gave myself quite a shock  :o
You forget I'm a reformed character since my 4 hours of patronisation.


Which reminds me, how long does the probation period last, as mine was nearly 3 years ago.
Three years plus one for luck ;)
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 29 September 2021, 15:23:39
I'm afraid I did a Jaime last week  :-[ Gave myself quite a shock  :o
You forget I'm a reformed character since my 4 hours of patronisation.


Which reminds me, how long does the probation period last, as mine was nearly 3 years ago.


Even a visit to Room 101 wouldn't cure you. ;D
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: STEMO on 29 September 2021, 15:24:21
I'm afraid I did a Jaime last week  :-[ Gave myself quite a shock  :o
You forget I'm a reformed character since my 4 hours of patronisation.


Which reminds me, how long does the probation period last, as mine was nearly 3 years ago.
I think you are eligible for another talking to after three years, doesn't mean that's what you'll get, though.
Mine was 4.5 years ago, but my performance last week would have meant a ban.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 29 September 2021, 15:50:37
I'm afraid I did a Jaime last week  :-[ Gave myself quite a shock  :o
You forget I'm a reformed character since my 4 hours of patronisation.


Which reminds me, how long does the probation period last, as mine was nearly 3 years ago.
I think you are eligible for another talking to after three years, doesn't mean that's what you'll get, though.
Mine was 4.5 years ago, but my performance last week would have meant a ban.
Not necessarily... You'd get a day in court and you could plead that as a vulnerable, and not unattractive, woman, you feared for your safety and were merely trying to escape from a threatening situation and that you would have reported it at the time, but felt that it would have been unsafe to use your phone whilst driving. And having realised your speed, immediately slowed to one more appropriate, and you are so desperately sorry, but you promise to not do it again.  :D
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: STEMO on 29 September 2021, 15:52:46
I'm afraid I did a Jaime last week  :-[ Gave myself quite a shock  :o
You forget I'm a reformed character since my 4 hours of patronisation.


Which reminds me, how long does the probation period last, as mine was nearly 3 years ago.
I think you are eligible for another talking to after three years, doesn't mean that's what you'll get, though.
Mine was 4.5 years ago, but my performance last week would have meant a ban.
Not necessarily... You'd get a day in court and you could plead that as a vulnerable, and not unattractive, woman, you feared for your safety and were merely trying to escape from a threatening situation and that you would have reported it at the time, but felt that it would have been unsafe to use your phone whilst driving. And having realised your speed, immediately slowed to one more appropriate, and you are so desperately sorry, but you promise to not do it again.  :D
I'd fall down on the 'not unattractive' bit  :(
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: YZ250 on 29 September 2021, 15:53:30
I'm afraid I did a Jaime last week  :-[ Gave myself quite a shock  :o
You forget I'm a reformed character since my 4 hours of patronisation.


Which reminds me, how long does the probation period last, as mine was nearly 3 years ago.
Three years plus one for luck ;)

That's correct, assuming nothing has changed recently it's three years from the 'conviction' date before the offence clears but you have to wait until four years is up to have it taken off your licence. Personally I don't bother having them removed, as in my case it's not worth it.   ::)
Five years in the eyes of an insurer though, which means, as my last conviction was October 2016, I'm very nearly there. I'm not there yet though, and the only way to guarantee getting there is to walk everywhere.  ;D 
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: STEMO on 29 September 2021, 15:54:41
I'm afraid I did a Jaime last week  :-[ Gave myself quite a shock  :o
You forget I'm a reformed character since my 4 hours of patronisation.


Which reminds me, how long does the probation period last, as mine was nearly 3 years ago.
Three years plus one for luck ;)

That's correct, assuming nothing has changed recently it's three years from the 'conviction' date before the offence clears but you have to wait until four years is up to have it taken off your licence. Personally I don't bother having them removed, as in my case it's not worth it.   ::)
Five years in the eyes of an insurer though, which means, as my last conviction was October 2016, I'm very nearly there. I'm not there yet though, and the only way to guarantee getting there is to walk everywhere.  ;D
Talking to's don't go on your license.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 29 September 2021, 15:58:18
But they are declarable if asked ;)
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: YZ250 on 29 September 2021, 15:59:20
I'm afraid I did a Jaime last week  :-[ Gave myself quite a shock  :o
You forget I'm a reformed character since my 4 hours of patronisation.


Which reminds me, how long does the probation period last, as mine was nearly 3 years ago.
Three years plus one for luck ;)

That's correct, assuming nothing has changed recently it's three years from the 'conviction' date before the offence clears but you have to wait until four years is up to have it taken off your licence. Personally I don't bother having them removed, as in my case it's not worth it.   ::)
Five years in the eyes of an insurer though, which means, as my last conviction was October 2016, I'm very nearly there. I'm not there yet though, and the only way to guarantee getting there is to walk everywhere.  ;D
Talking to's don't go on your license.

I've been done twice since my talking to.  :-[  2016 was my last fine and three points.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: STEMO on 29 September 2021, 16:07:38
I'm afraid I did a Jaime last week  :-[ Gave myself quite a shock  :o
You forget I'm a reformed character since my 4 hours of patronisation.


Which reminds me, how long does the probation period last, as mine was nearly 3 years ago.
Three years plus one for luck ;)

That's correct, assuming nothing has changed recently it's three years from the 'conviction' date before the offence clears but you have to wait until four years is up to have it taken off your licence. Personally I don't bother having them removed, as in my case it's not worth it.   ::)
Five years in the eyes of an insurer though, which means, as my last conviction was October 2016, I'm very nearly there. I'm not there yet though, and the only way to guarantee getting there is to walk everywhere.  ;D
Talking to's don't go on your license.

I've been done twice since my talking to.  :-[  2016 was my last fine and three points.
The well behaved chap from Brackley was enquiring as to when he could stop worrying too much  about a tug  after his speed awareness course. It is three years, as far as I know.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: YZ250 on 29 September 2021, 16:17:28
I'm afraid I did a Jaime last week  :-[ Gave myself quite a shock  :o
You forget I'm a reformed character since my 4 hours of patronisation.


Which reminds me, how long does the probation period last, as mine was nearly 3 years ago.
Three years plus one for luck ;)

That's correct, assuming nothing has changed recently it's three years from the 'conviction' date before the offence clears but you have to wait until four years is up to have it taken off your licence. Personally I don't bother having them removed, as in my case it's not worth it.   ::)
Five years in the eyes of an insurer though, which means, as my last conviction was October 2016, I'm very nearly there. I'm not there yet though, and the only way to guarantee getting there is to walk everywhere.  ;D
Talking to's don't go on your license.

I've been done twice since my talking to.  :-[  2016 was my last fine and three points.
The well behaved chap from Brackley was enquiring as to when he could stop worrying too much  about a tug  after his speed awareness course. It is three years, as far as I know.

Ah yes, quite right.  :y  I was sure he'd been caught again since that.  ;D 
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 29 September 2021, 16:22:32
Newsflash!

TB is more reformed than Alan :o
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: YZ250 on 29 September 2021, 16:36:00
Newsflash!

TB is more reformed than Alan :o

 ;D

He's just been luckier than me.  :y  TB a reformed character .....  my arse.  ;D
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: TheBoy on 29 September 2021, 17:16:51
I was sure he'd been caught again since that.  ;D
No, Mr Yz. Unlike you, I listened intensely, and understood the error or my errant ways, and left a reformed character.  Its the god honest truth I did not exceed 120mph until the day after.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Kevin Wood on 29 September 2021, 18:43:17
I'm afraid I did a Jaime last week  :-[ Gave myself quite a shock  :o
You forget I'm a reformed character since my 4 hours of patronisation.


Ah, on that subject...  ::) :-X

Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: YZ250 on 29 September 2021, 19:05:33
I'm afraid I did a Jaime last week  :-[ Gave myself quite a shock  :o
You forget I'm a reformed character since my 4 hours of patronisation.


Ah, on that subject...  ::) :-X

Oh dear.  :D   If anyone is offered the course it's a two and a half hour'ish Zoom (was originally Team Viewer) meeting now. So, you can do it from the comfort of your own home.  :y
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: TheBoy on 29 September 2021, 19:26:51
I'm afraid I did a Jaime last week  :-[ Gave myself quite a shock  :o
You forget I'm a reformed character since my 4 hours of patronisation.


Ah, on that subject...  ::) :-X

Oh dear.  :D   If anyone is offered the course it's a two and a half hour'ish Zoom (was originally Team Viewer) meeting now. So, you can do it from the comfort of your own home.  :y
You are very experienced in all this, Mr YZ.  Unlike a model citizen like me.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 29 September 2021, 19:39:33
I'm afraid I did a Jaime last week  :-[ Gave myself quite a shock  :o
You forget I'm a reformed character since my 4 hours of patronisation.


Ah, on that subject...  ::) :-X

Oh dear.  :D   If anyone is offered the course it's a two and a half hour'ish Zoom (was originally Team Viewer) meeting now. So, you can do it from the comfort of your own home.  :y
Just don't snore through it like the chap on my CPC course last year ;D
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 29 September 2021, 19:44:55
I'm afraid I did a Jaime last week  :-[ Gave myself quite a shock  :o
You forget I'm a reformed character since my 4 hours of patronisation.


Ah, on that subject...  ::) :-X

Oh dear.  :D   If anyone is offered the course it's a two and a half hour'ish Zoom (was originally Team Viewer) meeting now. So, you can do it from the comfort of your own home.  :y
Just don't snore through it like the chap on my CPC course last year ;D

Did he pass?  ???  ;D
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 29 September 2021, 19:51:55
Yes, because he had technically attended :-X
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: YZ250 on 29 September 2021, 19:52:57
I'm afraid I did a Jaime last week  :-[ Gave myself quite a shock  :o
You forget I'm a reformed character since my 4 hours of patronisation.


Ah, on that subject...  ::) :-X

Oh dear.  :D   If anyone is offered the course it's a two and a half hour'ish Zoom (was originally Team Viewer) meeting now. So, you can do it from the comfort of your own home.  :y
You are very experienced in all this, Mr YZ.  Unlike a model citizen like me.

 ;D

My sister did hers last week on Zoom and my brother-in-law did his a couple of months back on Team Viewer.
I've stayed under the radar (no pun intended)  thankfully.  ;D
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: TheBoy on 30 September 2021, 12:16:38
My sister did hers last week on Zoom and my brother-in-law did his a couple of months back on Team Viewer.
Are you trying to claim you're inability to comply with the law is not actually your fault, and its actually genetic, thus inflicting the entire family? ;D

Yeah, I always though the entire YZ family must be wrong'uns ;D
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: YZ250 on 30 September 2021, 14:39:40
My sister did hers last week on Zoom and my brother-in-law did his a couple of months back on Team Viewer.
Are you trying to claim you're inability to comply with the law is not actually your fault, and its actually genetic, thus inflicting the entire family? ;D

Yeah, I always though the entire YZ family must be wrong'uns ;D

You've just reminded me to delete my dash cam footage. Very surprised that Audi Connect didn't message me and say 'we saw your start point and the time you arrived at your end point, that was impressive'.   ;D

Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: TheBoy on 30 September 2021, 14:49:43
Very surprised that Audi Connect didn't message me and say 'we saw your start point and the time you arrived at your end point
And let the authorities access the data...

Big Brother is out there, its probably only a matter of time before this data is crunched and fires out automatic tickets :(
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Raeturbo on 30 September 2021, 16:04:08
Very surprised that Audi Connect didn't message me and say 'we saw your start point and the time you arrived at your end point
And let the authorities access the data...

Big Brother is out there, its probably only a matter of time before this data is crunched and fires out automatic tickets :(
                 That’s true☹️ I hope not or the Evo might as well go😢😢
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 30 September 2021, 16:18:19
Very surprised that Audi Connect didn't message me and say 'we saw your start point and the time you arrived at your end point
And let the authorities access the data...

Big Brother is out there, its probably only a matter of time before this data is crunched and fires out automatic tickets :(
                 That’s true☹️ I hope not or the Evo might as well go😢😢
Is it connected to the interweb?
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Raeturbo on 30 September 2021, 22:58:51
Most certainly not, but all this technology being unleashed on the poor speeding motorist is not fair☹️🐆
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Nick W on 01 October 2021, 08:54:50
Most certainly not, but all this technology being unleashed on the poor speeding motorist is not fair☹️🐆


why do speeding motorists deserve different treatment to other criminals? The ones who are told not to do the crime if they can't do the time?
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 01 October 2021, 09:58:11
Speding isnt a crime. Its a traffic offence.  ::)
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: TheBoy on 01 October 2021, 10:39:32
Very surprised that Audi Connect didn't message me and say 'we saw your start point and the time you arrived at your end point
And let the authorities access the data...

Big Brother is out there, its probably only a matter of time before this data is crunched and fires out automatic tickets :(
                 That’s true☹️ I hope not or the Evo might as well go😢😢
Is it connected to the interweb?
Your smartphones are, and constantly call home with location.  And roadside and car mounted ANPR could potentially be used to calculate that a car has got from A ot B faster than a predetermined time, much like average speed cameras.

Obviously all this will be done under the guise of making the roads safer  ::)
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: TheBoy on 01 October 2021, 10:43:45
Hmmm, its not diesel my car is short on.  Electricity seems to be a problem ;D

It was probably the convoluted service interval reset I did yesterday has stolen all my electricity.  Definitely not the worlds best idea for resetting service interval, having to have the ignition on for 30mins while it chunters through it, with the occasional ignition off then back on during the process just to ensure that all systems that might have entered a lower power state are fully sucking all the little electrical pixies they can....
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: STEMO on 01 October 2021, 11:13:04
Hmmm, its not diesel my car is short on.  Electricity seems to be a problem ;D

It was probably the convoluted service interval reset I did yesterday has stolen all my electricity.  Definitely not the worlds best idea for resetting service interval, having to have the ignition on for 30mins while it chunters through it, with the occasional ignition off then back on during the process just to ensure that all systems that might have entered a lower power state are fully sucking all the little electrical pixies they can....
That doesn't bode well for the average Joe who wants to buy a used one and steer clear of the dealers.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Andy H on 01 October 2021, 11:28:21
Run out off electricity here too :(

The Mazda has a comically small battery which seems to be good for around 3 weeks parked up before it loses the enthusiasm to start the engine - and that presupposes that the battery was properly charged in the first place.

We have been in lockdown for 8 weeks now, the car gets an occasional short run to buy heavy or bulky essentials (beer, wine, toilet rolls). After 3 weeks it failed to start so I hoiked the battery out and charged it overnight. That got about 3 weeks. I ran the next charge until the charger said it was fully charged and that lasted about 10 days.

It is on charge again now and has been since it failed to start this morning . Charger claims that it is fully charged. Just checked with a voltmeter and it is sitting at 13.85V. Going to leave it overnight and see if that achieves anything.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 01 October 2021, 12:21:13
Needed fuel last night so went to the local Tesco's which was closed, as the tanker was in and there was a big queue.   ::)

Went 5 miles down the road to the next Tesco's, drove straight in, fuelled up, paid and was on my way.  :y
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Nick W on 01 October 2021, 14:38:50
Run out off electricity here too :(

The Mazda has a comically small battery which seems to be good for around 3 weeks parked up before it loses the enthusiasm to start the engine - and that presupposes that the battery was properly charged in the first place.

We have been in lockdown for 8 weeks now, the car gets an occasional short run to buy heavy or bulky essentials (beer, wine, toilet rolls). After 3 weeks it failed to start so I hoiked the battery out and charged it overnight. That got about 3 weeks. I ran the next charge until the charger said it was fully charged and that lasted about 10 days.

It is on charge again now and has been since it failed to start this morning . Charger claims that it is fully charged. Just checked with a voltmeter and it is sitting at 13.85V. Going to leave it overnight and see if that achieves anything.


just because it's fully charged(and 12.8volts would be at the topend of what I would expect to see on a recently charged, disconnected battery) doesn't mean the battery is any good. That requires a drop test, and I would suggest that it will fail due to its recent usage. Constantly discharging a battery that far will kill it very quickly.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Kevin Wood on 01 October 2021, 18:04:06
Hmmm, its not diesel my car is short on.  Electricity seems to be a problem ;D

It was probably the convoluted service interval reset I did yesterday has stolen all my electricity.  Definitely not the worlds best idea for resetting service interval, having to have the ignition on for 30mins while it chunters through it, with the occasional ignition off then back on during the process just to ensure that all systems that might have entered a lower power state are fully sucking all the little electrical pixies they can....

Doesn't yours do the open the bonnet, open the door, utter the requisite incantation and do stuff with the pedals trick?
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: TheBoy on 01 October 2021, 18:04:20
Hmmm, its not diesel my car is short on.  Electricity seems to be a problem ;D

It was probably the convoluted service interval reset I did yesterday has stolen all my electricity.  Definitely not the worlds best idea for resetting service interval, having to have the ignition on for 30mins while it chunters through it, with the occasional ignition off then back on during the process just to ensure that all systems that might have entered a lower power state are fully sucking all the little electrical pixies they can....
That doesn't bode well for the average Joe who wants to buy a used one and steer clear of the dealers.
It's certainly not Ford's finest hour...
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: TheBoy on 01 October 2021, 18:05:16
Hmmm, its not diesel my car is short on.  Electricity seems to be a problem ;D

It was probably the convoluted service interval reset I did yesterday has stolen all my electricity.  Definitely not the worlds best idea for resetting service interval, having to have the ignition on for 30mins while it chunters through it, with the occasional ignition off then back on during the process just to ensure that all systems that might have entered a lower power state are fully sucking all the little electrical pixies they can....

Doesn't yours do the open the bonnet, open the door, utter the requisite incantation and do stuff with the pedals trick?
If there is a backdoor way to do it, nobody has discovered it :(
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: STEMO on 01 October 2021, 18:10:32
Hmmm, its not diesel my car is short on.  Electricity seems to be a problem ;D

It was probably the convoluted service interval reset I did yesterday has stolen all my electricity.  Definitely not the worlds best idea for resetting service interval, having to have the ignition on for 30mins while it chunters through it, with the occasional ignition off then back on during the process just to ensure that all systems that might have entered a lower power state are fully sucking all the little electrical pixies they can....

Doesn't yours do the open the bonnet, open the door, utter the requisite incantation and do stuff with the pedals trick?
If there is a backdoor way to do it, nobody has discovered it :(
Does it go mental if it thinks a service is overdue? Or can you just ignore it if you know it's been serviced?
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: TheBoy on 01 October 2021, 18:15:03
Hmmm, its not diesel my car is short on.  Electricity seems to be a problem ;D

It was probably the convoluted service interval reset I did yesterday has stolen all my electricity.  Definitely not the worlds best idea for resetting service interval, having to have the ignition on for 30mins while it chunters through it, with the occasional ignition off then back on during the process just to ensure that all systems that might have entered a lower power state are fully sucking all the little electrical pixies they can....

Doesn't yours do the open the bonnet, open the door, utter the requisite incantation and do stuff with the pedals trick?
If there is a backdoor way to do it, nobody has discovered it :(
Does it go mental if it thinks a service is overdue? Or can you just ignore it if you know it's been serviced?
I have no issues ignoring it, its just the loss of the tacho for a while until the message goes.  Other, more important messages are still prioritised.

But it needs resetting at some point, due to the way SDD works, as that also prompts the procedure to delete all codes from the car.

(SDD works differently to most diags, in that you do not normally clear codes willy nilly)
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: STEMO on 01 October 2021, 18:18:18
Hmmm, its not diesel my car is short on.  Electricity seems to be a problem ;D

It was probably the convoluted service interval reset I did yesterday has stolen all my electricity.  Definitely not the worlds best idea for resetting service interval, having to have the ignition on for 30mins while it chunters through it, with the occasional ignition off then back on during the process just to ensure that all systems that might have entered a lower power state are fully sucking all the little electrical pixies they can....

Doesn't yours do the open the bonnet, open the door, utter the requisite incantation and do stuff with the pedals trick?
If there is a backdoor way to do it, nobody has discovered it :(
Does it go mental if it thinks a service is overdue? Or can you just ignore it if you know it's been serviced?
I have no issues ignoring it, its just the loss of the tacho for a while until the message goes.  Other, more important messages are still prioritised.

But it needs resetting at some point, due to the way SDD works, as that also prompts the procedure to delete all codes from the car.

(SDD works differently to most diags, in that you do not normally clear codes willy nilly)
Hmmm.....got you by the short and curlies if you can't do it yourself. Which, I suppose, is the whole idea. I'll bet they make more from aftersales service than they do on the sale of the car.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: TheBoy on 01 October 2021, 18:24:33
Hmmm, its not diesel my car is short on.  Electricity seems to be a problem ;D

It was probably the convoluted service interval reset I did yesterday has stolen all my electricity.  Definitely not the worlds best idea for resetting service interval, having to have the ignition on for 30mins while it chunters through it, with the occasional ignition off then back on during the process just to ensure that all systems that might have entered a lower power state are fully sucking all the little electrical pixies they can....

Doesn't yours do the open the bonnet, open the door, utter the requisite incantation and do stuff with the pedals trick?
If there is a backdoor way to do it, nobody has discovered it :(
Does it go mental if it thinks a service is overdue? Or can you just ignore it if you know it's been serviced?
I have no issues ignoring it, its just the loss of the tacho for a while until the message goes.  Other, more important messages are still prioritised.

But it needs resetting at some point, due to the way SDD works, as that also prompts the procedure to delete all codes from the car.

(SDD works differently to most diags, in that you do not normally clear codes willy nilly)
Hmmm.....got you by the short and curlies if you can't do it yourself. Which, I suppose, is the whole idea. I'll bet they make more from aftersales service than they do on the sale of the car.
Dealers make around 1-3% on the sale of a new car sold at RRP. That doesn't keep the lights on ;)

They make their money through finance, 2nd hand car sales and not servicing cars.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Andy H on 01 October 2021, 19:44:19
Run out off electricity here too :(

The Mazda has a comically small battery which seems to be good for around 3 weeks parked up before it loses the enthusiasm to start the engine - and that presupposes that the battery was properly charged in the first place.

We have been in lockdown for 8 weeks now, the car gets an occasional short run to buy heavy or bulky essentials (beer, wine, toilet rolls). After 3 weeks it failed to start so I hoiked the battery out and charged it overnight. That got about 3 weeks. I ran the next charge until the charger said it was fully charged and that lasted about 10 days.

It is on charge again now and has been since it failed to start this morning . Charger claims that it is fully charged. Just checked with a voltmeter and it is sitting at 13.85V. Going to leave it overnight and see if that achieves anything.


just because it's fully charged(and 12.8volts would be at the topend of what I would expect to see on a recently charged, disconnected battery) doesn't mean the battery is any good. That requires a drop test, and I would suggest that it will fail due to its recent usage. Constantly discharging a battery that far will kill it very quickly.
I perhaps should have said that the charger ran for 5 hours before claiming that it was fully charged.
I know from bitter experience that fully discharging batteries kills them.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 01 October 2021, 20:27:11
GM and Ford are finance companies that happen to produce vehicles :-X
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Raeturbo on 01 October 2021, 21:45:47
Most certainly not, but all this technology being unleashed on the poor speeding motorist is not fair☹️🐆


why do speeding motorists deserve different treatment to other criminals? The ones who are told not to do the crime if they can't do the time?
               No comment
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 02 October 2021, 19:38:38
The Media Bullshit fear mongering machine is still at it...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hgv-lorry-driver-shortage-germans-b1930558.html

Bunch of opposing coconuts... Almost everyone who passed their initial test before a certain point can drive a 7.5t vehicle ::)

Anyone who doesn't have 7.5t on their licence would be retarded to do the C1 test... The C test is EXACTLY the same with zero weight limit.

Notwithstanding that 7.5t isn't heavy :-X
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: STEMO on 02 October 2021, 19:57:50
I could drive a 7.5 tonner, my license says so.  ::) But why would I when there are plenty of Germans to do it?  ;D
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 02 October 2021, 19:59:49
I could drive a 7.5 tonner, my license says so.  ::) But why would I when there are plenty of Germans to do it?  ;D
Perhaps they have better things to do... Such as Vanessa Mai :-*
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: STEMO on 02 October 2021, 20:05:08
Or, reading up, maybe I can't  :-\
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 02 October 2021, 20:16:56
Or, reading up, maybe I can't  :-\
Not that Vanessa Mai, but this one...

https://youtu.be/pJzsFH5-mac
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Raeturbo on 03 October 2021, 00:03:35
Or, reading up, maybe I can't  :-\
Not that Vanessa Mai, but this one...

https://youtu.be/pJzsFH5-mac
                  Yes I could do that one too :y
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Rangie on 03 October 2021, 09:05:03
I could drive a 7.5 tonner, my license says so.  ::) But why would I when there are plenty of Germans to do it?  ;D



Been there done that, driving for a living nowadays wouldn't be top of my list.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 04 October 2021, 15:33:26
I could drive a 7.5 tonner, my license says so.  ::) But why would I when there are plenty of Germans to do it?  ;D



Been there done that, driving for a living nowadays wouldn't be top of my list.

Yes, and especially now down here in the South East.  Try filling up a 7.5 tonne wagon, with, if you are very, very lucky to find fuel, a £35 limit!! :( :(
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 04 October 2021, 15:56:14
You're best placed to do something about that...

Saver fares on the shuttle or ferry, go to Cité Europe, do your monthly shopping and fill the car up on the way out.

The exchange rate will cover the cost, especially if you factor in the fact that you can buy everything you want.

Certainly, if I lived in east Kent, although why you would want to puzzles me, then that's where I would do all my shopping.

Lpg is currently €0.81 a litre, petrol €1.55 and diseasal €1.46... £0.69, £1.32 and £1.25 respectively.

Interestingly, if your car will run on E85, then it's 56ppl...
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 04 October 2021, 15:59:31
Sounds like that would involve going to France !.  :o :o
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: STEMO on 04 October 2021, 16:07:10
Brent crude oil up over 3% today, so that will probably feed through next week. We had one local garage charging 144.9p for diesel last week, while others in the area were around 135.9, Asda was 134.7.
I'd like to think that he'd be boycotted once things settle down, but he's an Asian chap who sells pies and pasties and sandwiches. So the call of the calories will probably trump the price of the fuel.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 04 October 2021, 16:08:03
Sounds like that would involve going to France !.  :o :o
There's that... :D
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: TheBoy on 04 October 2021, 18:39:26
Cité Europe
Last place you want to go, as probably the most expensive shopping in France by some margin.

But plenty of other places not too far away - though best to go further, to get away from the utter shithole they call Calais - and viable if you don't mind losing a whole day just to go shopping.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 05 October 2021, 04:21:44
Agreed, although I picked it because it close to the ferry/shuttle and it sells fuel.

Boulogne town is bearable, and if you're making a day of it Brugges is just up the road tother way.  :y

From Ashford, CE/Calais is nearer than Blue Water in driving terms
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: STEMO on 05 October 2021, 11:54:35
We've cracked the problem about drivers anyway, 27 foreign drivers have applied for the short term visas available. ;D
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 05 October 2021, 12:49:40
It all seems a bit Londoncentric to me, as I've had no trouble filling up the last couple of times in the last week.  ::)
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Rangie on 05 October 2021, 13:01:44
Filled the Subaru this morning , no queueing no limits wife & daughter off on a shopping trip tomorrow.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 05 October 2021, 13:05:44
It all seems a bit Londoncentric to me, as I've had no trouble filling up the last couple of times in the last week.  ::)

How many pints of scrumpy do you need to trade for a gallon of unleaded?. :)
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 05 October 2021, 13:31:49
It all seems a bit Londoncentric to me, as I've had no trouble filling up the last couple of times in the last week.  ::)

How many pints of scrumpy do you need to trade for a gallon of unleaded?. :)

As a dieselist I don't know M'lud, but I paid £1.37 a litre in the local Tesco's last Thursday and £1.32 in Costco Bristol yesterday.  :)

Anyway, what's a gallon?  ???  Is that something that old people use?  :)
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: ronnyd on 05 October 2021, 13:42:07
It all seems a bit Londoncentric to me, as I've had no trouble filling up the last couple of times in the last week.  ::)
That's true, most of the country is mostly back to near normal except for London and the South East. I filled up at local Sainsbury  on Sunday evening, no queues and restrictions on how much i could have. They had had a delivery on Sunday morning.  Walked round yesterday evening and they had run out of diesel again. 
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 05 October 2021, 13:45:15
It all seems a bit Londoncentric to me, as I've had no trouble filling up the last couple of times in the last week.  ::)

How many pints of scrumpy do you need to trade for a gallon of unleaded?. :)

As a dieselist I don't know M'lud, but I paid £1.37 a litre in the local Tesco's last Thursday and £1.32 in Costco Bristol yesterday.  :)

Anyway, what's a gallon?  ???  Is that something that old people use?  :)

Dieselist? ::)

Is that the dirty black stuff that makes protesters block the M25? ::)

It seems that you and your geriatric great uncle from Liverpool  are to blame for for all of this.



Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 05 October 2021, 14:14:38
It all seems a bit Londoncentric to me, as I've had no trouble filling up the last couple of times in the last week.  ::)

How many pints of scrumpy do you need to trade for a gallon of unleaded?. :)

As a dieselist I don't know M'lud, but I paid £1.37 a litre in the local Tesco's last Thursday and £1.32 in Costco Bristol yesterday.  :)

Anyway, what's a gallon?  ???  Is that something that old people use?  :)

Dieselist? ::)

Is that the dirty black stuff that makes protesters block the M25? ::)

It seems that you and your geriatric great uncle from Liverpool  are to blame for for all of this.

No.  That nice Mr Blair told us we had to use it to save the planet.  :)
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: ronnyd on 05 October 2021, 14:26:16
It all seems a bit Londoncentric to me, as I've had no trouble filling up the last couple of times in the last week.  ::)

How many pints of scrumpy do you need to trade for a gallon of unleaded?. :)

As a dieselist I don't know M'lud, but I paid £1.37 a litre in the local Tesco's last Thursday and £1.32 in Costco Bristol yesterday.  :)

Anyway, what's a gallon?  ???  Is that something that old people use?  :)

Dieselist? ::)

Is that the dirty black stuff that makes protesters block the M25? ::)

It seems that you and your geriatric great uncle from Liverpool  are to blame for for all of this.

No.  That nice Mr Blair told us we had to use it to save the planet.  :)
He could have afforded a helluva lot of diesel with the dosh he saved by not paying his stamp duty.  ;D
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 05 October 2021, 14:53:36
It all seems a bit Londoncentric to me, as I've had no trouble filling up the last couple of times in the last week.  ::)
Only one garage between Gatwick and Luton had any fuel and that was just petrol. None at Chobham services. Thanks to the M25 being suddenly closed at the M3, I ended up going Sunningdale, Woking, Guildford, Leatherhead, Dorking, Reigate To Gatwick and must have passed 20 garages... Not a single one had fuel. And none on my commute had any either. Didn't waste any time searching Luton for fuel, although apparently Asda had some.

Heading up to Luton, I did pass several brand new '71 plate Daf XFs heading clockwise past Heathrow in convoy sans trailers... No not sure if they were the Armyists or just fresh off the boat and being delivered :-\

The trouble with the whole thing is that thanks to all the retards, the lack of stocks at the pumps has forced everyone one else to buy what they can when they can, and even the sensible people who didn't rush out to buy £5  just to top off, now have no fuel. Net result, as soon as anywhere gets fuel, it's all over faceachebook and within an hour it's all gone  >:(
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 05 October 2021, 15:17:35
It all seems a bit Londoncentric to me, as I've had no trouble filling up the last couple of times in the last week.  ::)
Only one garage between Gatwick and Luton had any fuel and that was just petrol. None at Chobham services. Thanks to the M25 being suddenly closed at the M3, I ended up going Sunningdale, Woking, Guildford, Leatherhead, Dorking, Reigate To Gatwick and must have passed 20 garages... Not a single one had fuel. And none on my commute had any either. Didn't waste any time searching Luton for fuel, although apparently Asda had some.

Heading up to Luton, I did pass several brand new '71 plate Daf XFs heading clockwise past Heathrow in convoy sans trailers... No not sure if they were the Armyists or just fresh off the boat and being delivered :-\

The trouble with the whole thing is that thanks to all the retards, the lack of stocks at the pumps has forced everyone one else to buy what they can when they can, and even the sensible people who didn't rush out to buy £5  just to top off, now have no fuel. Net result, as soon as anywhere gets fuel, it's all over faceachebook and within an hour it's all gone  >:(

Yep, my local garage apparently had a delivery of fuel at 1430 today; my daughter rang me up to say get around there fast as there is not yet a queue.  But, no I have not reacted as I now have half a tank after queuing up the other day, which is more than enough for me over the coming month.  I will not fall into the psychological trap of chasing fuel at the cost of others who really need it as I did once. ;)

It would be all too easy to do what everyone else seems to be doing.  Crazy!! ::)
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 05 October 2021, 15:34:06
I have enough for this week's current needs, but have to drive to Norwich again at the end of next week and buying £30 here and there isn't going to cut it.

Usually I fill up, run the car until the light comes on and fill up again, and you'd think that passing 9 garages on my commute would make that approach perfectly reasonable  :-X
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: TheBoy on 05 October 2021, 15:44:21
Agreed, although I picked it because it close to the ferry/shuttle and it sells fuel.

Boulogne town is bearable, and if you're making a day of it Brugges is just up the road tother way.  :y

From Ashford, CE/Calais is nearer than Blue Water in driving terms
In my extensive experience, it’s not possible to do a day trip to Bruges

I can’t even crawl, let alone drive.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 05 October 2021, 15:48:24
Considering that very trip as a Christmas present for bro. Obviously would involve me driving so that they can fully enjoy it. They were due to do a short cruise with some friends, but won't be allowed off the ship unless it's on an official, prearranged tour, which as they were due to overnight in port, sucks balls.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 05 October 2021, 17:25:30
It all seems a bit Londoncentric to me, as I've had no trouble filling up the last couple of times in the last week.  ::)
Only one garage between Gatwick and Luton had any fuel and that was just petrol. None at Chobham services. Thanks to the M25 being suddenly closed at the M3, I ended up going Sunningdale, Woking, Guildford, Leatherhead, Dorking, Reigate To Gatwick and must have passed 20 garages... Not a single one had fuel. And none on my commute had any either. Didn't waste any time searching Luton for fuel, although apparently Asda had some.



That's all London to me!  :D
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Kevin Wood on 05 October 2021, 20:40:34
In my extensive experience, it’s not possible to do a day trip to Bruges

I can’t even crawl, let alone drive.

Ostende is the same. I left the boat, thought I'd pop in to a bar for a pint and entered some kind of wormhole that deposited me back on the docks a quarter of an hour before the last ferry of the night sailed, sans the use of my legs.  ;D

The B&B at Dover loved me as I tried to stagger up to the room which was on the 4th floor of an old town house. Especially when I got to the top of the stairs and a bottle of Duvel jumped out of my rucksack and bounced down the whole lot again. ;D
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Kevin Wood on 05 October 2021, 20:43:55
Went out for a Ruby on Saturday night and the petrol station in the village was certainly out of fuel then.

Passed it at about 4 PM on Sunday and noticed it was open and a queue just starting to form.

Did a quick U turn as I was down to 100 miles range and filled up the jag.

Gave my mate a heads-up and he got there about 5:30 and got the last tank of diesel. :o
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: ronnyd on 06 October 2021, 15:02:37
Went out for a Ruby on Saturday night and the petrol station in the village was certainly out of fuel then.

Passed it at about 4 PM on Sunday and noticed it was open and a queue just starting to form.

Did a quick U turn as I was down to 100 miles range and filled up the jag.

Gave my mate a heads-up and he got there about 5:30 and got the last tank of diesel. :o
Just to side track a bit. What with fuel station tanks running dry. Is there any chance that you could end up with a load of crud in your tank, as you were 'lucky' enough to get the last scrapings.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 07 October 2021, 16:36:23
Went out for a Ruby on Saturday night and the petrol station in the village was certainly out of fuel then.

Passed it at about 4 PM on Sunday and noticed it was open and a queue just starting to form.

Did a quick U turn as I was down to 100 miles range and filled up the jag.

Gave my mate a heads-up and he got there about 5:30 and got the last tank of diesel. :o
Just to side track a bit. What with fuel station tanks running dry. Is there any chance that you could end up with a load of crud in your tank, as you were 'lucky' enough to get the last scrapings.


The local filling stations down here, small to large like the supermarket ones, have repeated run out of diesel (and unleaded) so any crud if there was any I reckon has long gone into previous motorists tanks.  Therefore I think you would be extremely unlucky to fill your tank with crud! :D :D ;)
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Varche on 07 October 2021, 18:14:24
Well that is a relief. Still got 140 miles left.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Rangie on 07 October 2021, 18:55:40
Had a ride out today as the weather was really nice filled up the RR when we got back , no queues no limit on amount
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: STEMO on 07 October 2021, 19:03:11
Had a ride out today as the weather was really nice filled up the RR when we got back , no queues no limit on amount
Yes, Mick, but you don't live near Londistan.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Rangie on 07 October 2021, 19:19:41
Had a ride out today as the weather was really nice filled up the RR when we got back , no queues no limit on amount
Yes, Mick, but you don't live near Londistan.


Thank the lord 🙏
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 07 October 2021, 19:50:53
Had a ride out today as the weather was really nice filled up the RR when we got back , no queues no limit on amount
Yes, Mick, but you don't live near Londistan.

Anywhere east of Salisbury is Londistan to me.  :D  Anywhere north of Bristol is Opp Norf as well!  :P  ;D
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: LC0112G on 07 October 2021, 20:00:13
Had a ride out today as the weather was really nice filled up the RR when we got back , no queues no limit on amount
Yes, Mick, but you don't live near Londistan.

Anywhere east of Salisbury is Londistan to me.  :D  Anywhere north of Bristol is Opp Norf as well!  :P  ;D

Shepton Mallet. The Midlands starts at the A303.
Title: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy
Post by: 78bex on 07 October 2021, 22:35:48
I haven`t been panic buying at all   :-\  my behaviour has been atypical  :P

"A Department for Transport spokesperson said: "There is no evidence to suggest that the introduction of E10 was related to the fuel shortage. The fuel issues we have seen in recent weeks were caused by an unprecedented spike in demand caused by atypical consumer behaviour"