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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Martin_1962 on 06 September 2008, 12:45:02
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Wing, bonnet, bumper all wrecked need help repairing - HELP!
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Martin, if I can help in anyway I could come over tomorrow night after i've dropped my sons back to their mum.
I don't have any parts or anything i'm afraid.
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What happened? Another car involved? :'(
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Will insurance not cover it?
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Sorry to hear it Martin. Do you just need bolt-on parts?
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Ran into a gate post.
Do need to pull the slam panel straight, pushed in slightly at the right.
Don't know if it is worth coming over unless there is a way t o pull it out.
Chasing bumper bonnet and wing
My excess is horrendous and I think it might be cheaper to OOF repair than claim and risk a right off.
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I would not mind another pair of eyes to look over it, it drives OK, but R/H headlamp is wrecked too.
THe pull out I might be able to do with a rope and post
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bit far to give you another pair of eyes but we can help you considor the damage with the aid of some piccies when you get a chance :y
Your issue with bolting on other panels - DIY Style, without bodyshop/Painting - is you may not get an exact match in shade - even if its from the same paintcode :(
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bit far to give you another pair of eyes but we can help you considor the damage with the aid of some piccies when you get a chance :y
Your issue with bolting on other panels - DIY Style, without bodyshop/Painting - is you may not get an exact match in shade - even if its from the same paintcode :(
Got an Aldi compressor
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I guess if you don't get the slam panel right the headlight will never line up at it's mounting points. :-/
What's the strengthening bar like behind the bumper?
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I guess if you don't get the slam panel right the headlight will never line up at it's mounting points. :-/
What's the strengthening bar like behind the bumper?
Not sure too wet at the moment, but if it is the black bar it is more or less OK but a bit bent on the RHS, but straightenable
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Some pictures
Side views
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k286/martinimber/car/DSC02965.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k286/martinimber/car/DSC02964.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k286/martinimber/car/DSC02962.jpg)
door gap
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k286/martinimber/car/DSC02963.jpg)
The corner
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k286/martinimber/car/DSC02961.jpg)
Bonnet - gate damage!
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k286/martinimber/car/DSC02966.jpg)
OK side
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k286/martinimber/car/DSC02969.jpg)
Damaged side
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k286/martinimber/car/DSC02968.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k286/martinimber/car/DSC02971.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k286/martinimber/car/DSC02967.jpg)
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Doesn't sound too bad then :)
Would guess the bolt on parts you mention and a bit of easing things back into line (which would be helped with some replacement panels to give you an idea where things should be).
Oh and don't throw your old bumper! if the left hand side is OK i'll buy the grill under the foglight off you!
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The bumper was damaged clearing the gate way - but I'll check when dry - I had to cut the bumper off the car.
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Good pics, to me it doesn't look too bad, just panels tbh. If it's like my old Vectra then everything at the front was just bolted on, no welding anywhere.
Good sign is that the Rads have all held.
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you need to get this to specalist, there could be chassis damage.
Even a 5mph crunch can bend the chassis.
Looking at that damage, an insurance company would write that off :(
When i pragged into a Vw Passat, i put a small dent in the wing and a small crack in the bumper and light, nothing on that scale, insurance bill was £2,500!!!
Sorry to say thats a write off if you go though insurance.
Looking at that gap in the door - wing pannel, i would be very worried about chassis damage.
Get this to a specalist....
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The chassis appears OK as the arch doesn't line up with the wing, and also the chassis was not hit, the hit was on an unsupported section of the bumper, and the chassis cross member narely moved.
WIll be getting it assessed next week.
As to replacements all well over £2000 for anything similar on AT
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The wing is designed to do that in a corner impact, it absorbs the energy. the mounting points are also slotted so that the wing can be adjusted for panel gap thus the wing has a degree of movement when it meets something hard! Chassis issues at the front usually affect the A post.
Agree the chassis should be checked though.
Any car that goes to an accident repair centre will have the bill ramped up i'm afraid, easy money for the repair centres.
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It looks like a reasonable bolt on repair to me. The only thing that gives me slight concern is the movement of the front of the nearside wing at the battery. Given the shape of the bonnett, when thats pushed over it will also push that wing.
Is there any crease in the slam panel or is it simply pushed in a bit at the impact side?
I have seen good el cheapo straightening jobs done with a bottle jack and a couple of lumps of timber....
I would think that it would look presentable with second hand panels from the various breakers on here, without too much work. Going through your insurance would hurt quite a bit financially, between one thing and another.....
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While I've been hunting for a facelift MV6 bumper i've found most dismantlers will only sell the front end panels together (two wings, bumper, bonnet), at least that way you should get a good colour match.
Megavaux have a star silver car in at the moment:- http://www.megavaux.co.uk/Vehicle.aspx?Reg=FH51PYU
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It looks like a reasonable bolt on repair to me. The only thing that gives me slight concern is the movement of the front of the nearside wing at the battery. Given the shape of the bonnett, when thats pushed over it will also push that wing.
Is there any crease in the slam panel or is it simply pushed in a bit at the impact side?
I have seen good el cheapo straightening jobs done with a bottle jack and a couple of lumps of timber....
I would think that it would look presentable with second hand panels from the various breakers on here, without too much work. Going through your insurance would hurt quite a bit financially, between one thing and another.....
It has always been like that - that's the good side :o
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Perhaps the battery is just moved forwards a bit more than normal.
The cable on mine runs under the black plastic shrouds.
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While I've been hunting for a facelift MV6 bumper i've found most dismantlers will only sell the front end panels together (two wings, bumper, bonnet), at least that way you should get a good colour match.
Megavaux have a star silver car in at the moment:- http://www.megavaux.co.uk/Vehicle.aspx?Reg=FH51PYU
Contacted them :y
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Perhaps the battery is just moved forwards a bit more than normal.
The cable on mine runs under the black plastic shrouds.
Not the original battery, so possibly shifted.
Cables are fridge, amp & LPG kit
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If I can repair for under £500 I will go non insurance as my excess is over £400 :o
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If I can repair for under £500 I will go non insurance as my excess is over £400 :o
If you go the insurance route, they will write it off ...
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If I can repair for under £500 I will go non insurance as my excess is over £400 :o
If you go the insurance route, they will write it off ...
I wonder how much I would get and how much I could buy back at?
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If I can repair for under £500 I will go non insurance as my excess is over £400 :o
If you go the insurance route, they will write it off ...
I wonder how much I would get and how much I could buy back at?
Not had any experience with insurance payouts, but it depends how closely the follow the market.
We all know Omega's are practically worthless, 2k would get you a very late facelift Elite.
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Cables are fridge, ....
How come you didn't use the cable already in the boot with the trailer connection?
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Cables are fridge, ....
How come you didn't use the cable already in the boot with the trailer connection?
Used it for the 6 way relay - I didn't think it was thick enough
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If I can repair for under £500 I will go non insurance as my excess is over £400 :o
If you go the insurance route, they will write it off ...
I wonder how much I would get and how much I could buy back at?
If I could repair it for a reasonable amount I would do so with involving the insurance at all. What they don't know about, won't harm them. I'm sure they'll only load your insurance next year because you've had an accident, whether you've made a claim or not. :(
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From the photos damage looks "superficial" - that is with a bit of straightening new panels can be bolted on ok.
Agree the chassis should be jigged for peace of mind. Look along it yourself for any slight rippling - any sign then you have a more major problem. From my experience in straightening out body damage in the past I would very much doubt if the chassis has been damaged.
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Its certainly DIY fixable for £500 at home.
Via insurance....Tunnie is correct they would write it off.
LPG wont be part of a payout, so the car is worth what a normal 2.6 cd is worth in their eyes... so adding new panels and paint via insurance, as well as headlight etc ould certainly put payout at 50% of value...that when its a loss....
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£425 excess :( :'(
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TBH Martin it looks pretty cosmetic... I'd repair myself and leave the insurance company out of the loop :y :y
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Had a closer look this morning, and the bumper mount on the inner wing is about 4 inches back from where it should be and the inner wing front is a little mangled. Where is is spot welded to the chassis it has pulled one weld out and needs squashing back.
Looks like budgeting on £250 for parts and then ask a body shop just to pull it back out. Unless someone on here knows what to do, I might try the rope and reverse trick.
So the front of the inner wing is 4" back, the slam panel is around an inch to 2 back and the bonnet is distorted.
If anyone wants to have a look on the way home from Newent they are welcome.
Does anyone have any links for straightening bent Omegas?
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Had a closer look this morning, and the bumper mount on the inner wing is about 4 inches back from where it should be and the inner wing front is a little mangled. Where is is spot welded to the chassis it has pulled one weld out and needs squashing back.
Looks like budgeting on £250 for parts and then ask a body shop just to pull it back out. Unless someone on here knows what to do, I might try the rope and reverse trick.
So the front of the inner wing is 4" back, the slam panel is around an inch to 2 back and the bonnet is distorted.
If anyone wants to have a look on the way home from Newent they are welcome.
Does anyone have any links for straightening bent Omegas?
The chassis rail is OK? Not that expensive in my experience to get certain bits straightened out on a frame jig at a body shop. Well worth going that route, then you can still do the other bits yourself.
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Been measuring
Chassis rail to ground both sides 225mm
Suspension turret to inner edge of outer wing
62mm
top edge of outer wing
bad 124 good 112.5 big gap explained
Bonnet bracket to last bolt
bad 1mm less than good (880 890 - I think)
Bonnet bracket to headlamp bolt on slam panel
bad 895 good 920
Looks like 25mm at the slam panel and a little bit more on the bottom of the inner wing, couldn't measure it.
Pull it straight, repair inner wing to chassis rail at very front. Replace bonnet wing bumper headlamp.
Refit air box properly, repair one radiator bracket.
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Martin I'm sorry to see this situation..
From the pictures I think you will need a second hand or a new bonnet.. They are hard to repair..
And also good news right fender paint not damaged only need correction on the chasis..But to do that right headlight, air filter and some other stuff must be taken out and pulled by a special tool..
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Been measuring
Chassis rail to ground both sides 225mm
Suspension turret to inner edge of outer wing
62mm
top edge of outer wing
bad 124 good 112.5 big gap explained
Bonnet bracket to last bolt
bad 1mm less than good (880 890 - I think)
Bonnet bracket to headlamp bolt on slam panel
bad 895 good 920
Looks like 25mm at the slam panel and a little bit more on the bottom of the inner wing, couldn't measure it.
Pull it straight, repair inner wing to chassis rail at very front. Replace bonnet wing bumper headlamp.
Refit air box properly, repair one radiator bracket.
Just caught up with this thread Martin, and very sad to see and read about your mishap! :'( :'( :( :( :(
If only I lived closer I would certainly come and help, although I am no good at body work repairs but at least I could make the teas! ;)
Just hope you can sort it all out yourself, as I agree with the previous comments that an insurance company would assess your car as a write-off. Indeed when I slightly pranged the front of my 1996 Elite six years ago at about 10 mph against the back of a trailer, and pushed the bumper, os headlight and lower front panel in the bill came to over £1,800:(
Hope all goes well Martin. ;)
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If I can repair for under £500 I will go non insurance as my excess is over £400 :o
Looking at some of the cars the guys a striping on the forum, would it worth buying a rear end damaged car of MOT failure to rebuild yours then sell the reast of the parts on the donor car.
I know you mention raising a grand, but this could be cheaper in the long run and maybe even profitable in the end if the donor could be financed to start with. :y
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Looks pretty straight forward to do.....got a V6 radiator you can have free if you need one.
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Looks pretty straight forward to do.....got a V6 radiator you can have free if you need one.
Thanks - might take you up on that as one mount is snapped off :(
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Bugger.
What happened, just swinging into a gateway to turn around or something?
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Bugger.
What happened, just swinging into a gateway to turn around or something?
Tight gateway at my daughters school, too much input read the wall as the edge not the gate, while avoiding a fence on the pavement.
Very embarrasing - and the headmaster checked the gates were OK :-[
Only the best school in Worcester too! :-[
Oh well at least it is driveable, just need to straighten and this I could do with help on, or I have to go to a body shop.
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And I missed Newent :'(
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Bugger.
What happened, just swinging into a gateway to turn around or something?
Tight gateway at my daughters school, too much input read the wall as the edge not the gate, while avoiding a fence on the pavement.
Very embarrasing - and the headmaster checked the gates were OK :-[
Only the best school in Worcester too! :-[
Oh well at least it is driveable, just need to straighten and this I could do with help on, or I have to go to a body shop.
At least it was just a minor knock - mind you, must have clouted it a bit to bend it that much - with just a bit of embarrassment and a bit of bent metal, nothing more serious :y
I'm not good with bodywork. Don't really know any good bodyshops, but know of a retired sprayer in Evesham who apparently does a good job for a bit of pocket money.
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Looks pretty straight forward to do.....got a V6 radiator you can have free if you need one.
Thanks - might take you up on that as one mount is snapped off :(
Its yours, its off a 3.0 elite auto and known good.
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Bugger.
What happened, just swinging into a gateway to turn around or something?
Tight gateway at my daughters school, too much input read the wall as the edge not the gate, while avoiding a fence on the pavement.
Very embarrasing - and the headmaster checked the gates were OK :-[
Only the best school in Worcester too! :-[
Oh well at least it is driveable, just need to straighten and this I could do with help on, or I have to go to a body shop.
At least it was just a minor knock - mind you, must have clouted it a bit to bend it that much - with just a bit of embarrassment and a bit of bent metal, nothing more serious :y
I'm not good with bodywork. Don't really know any good bodyshops, but know of a retired sprayer in Evesham who apparently does a good job for a bit of pocket money.
I will have to pay out of own pocket as 1 - not writing off, 2 - a big excess.
Can get the panels for not much over £200, will phone a few small repair people tomorrow
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Looks pretty straight forward to do.....got a V6 radiator you can have free if you need one.
Thanks - might take you up on that as one mount is snapped off :(
Its yours, its off a 3.0 elite auto and known good.
Thanks - I'll sort later in week
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OK I can get the front end panels from the people formally known as Las Jacarandas
I have a source of some money
Booked in for two weeks time at a local place using S/H parts
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Whilst not a "result" as such .. good to hear that a "fix" is arranged, just hope it ends up looking how you would wish ... :y :y
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Just worried now about cost, I am going ex insurance as I can't afford to lose more no claims