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Title: WARNING-Grand Prix result
Post by: albitz on 07 September 2008, 17:32:06
Hamilton has been demoted to third place
Do you get the feeling that someone wants ferrari rather than mcclaren to win the title again? :-/
Title: Re: WARNING-Grand Prix result
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 07 September 2008, 17:36:18
Best finish I have seen to a F1 race in ages. Quite often watching paint dry can be more exciting.
Why was Hamilton demoted to third.?. :y :y
Title: Re: WARNING-Grand Prix result
Post by: dbug on 07 September 2008, 17:37:16
Having watched the race don't think thats right >:(

Hamilton at least kept it on the tarmac most of the time at the end except when Rakinen pushed him off - and then as required he yielded the place b4 overtaking Rakinen.  Barstewards >:(
Title: Re: WARNING-Grand Prix result
Post by: FRE07962128 on 07 September 2008, 17:41:49
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Hamilton has been demoted to third place
Do you get the feeling that someone wants ferrari rather than mcclaren to win the title again? :-/

Nowadays F1 does not like battling, adventerous, risky and exciting drivers, as like the rest of life it is being nicely packaged and cocooned in H&S / political correctness to make it a safe sport! >:( :(

That is why watching 2008 F1 cars, and drivers, is so boring compared to 1968! :( :(


Title: Re: WARNING-Grand Prix result
Post by: albitz on 07 September 2008, 17:45:54
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Best finish I have seen to a F1 race in ages. Quite often watching paint dry can be more exciting.
Why was Hamilton demoted to third.?. :y :y
possibly because he wasnt driving a ferrari ?
Title: Re: WARNING-Grand Prix result
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 07 September 2008, 17:46:14
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Hamilton has been demoted to third place
Do you get the feeling that someone wants ferrari rather than mcclaren to win the title again? :-/

Nowadays F1 does not like battling, adventerous, risky and exciting drivers, as like the rest of life it is being nicely packaged and cocooned in H&S / political correctness to make it a safe sport! >:( :(

That is why watching 2008 F1 cars, and drivers, is so boring compared to 1968! :( :(


I could has written those exact same words Lizzie. :y :y
Title: Re: WARNING-Grand Prix result
Post by: dbug on 07 September 2008, 17:48:15
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Hamilton has been demoted to third place
Do you get the feeling that someone wants ferrari rather than mcclaren to win the title again? :-/

Nowadays F1 does not like battling, adventerous, risky and exciting drivers, as like the rest of life it is being nicely packaged and cocooned in H&S / political correctness to make it a safe sport! >:( :(

That is why watching 2008 F1 cars, and drivers, is so boring compared to 1968! :( :(


I could has written those exact same words Lizzie. :y :y

Wouldn't have said the last few laps today were boring - quite the opposite!  Hamilton put on quite a driving display in those conditions.
Title: Re: WARNING-Grand Prix result
Post by: FRE07962128 on 07 September 2008, 17:49:54
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Hamilton has been demoted to third place
Do you get the feeling that someone wants ferrari rather than mcclaren to win the title again? :-/

Nowadays F1 does not like battling, adventerous, risky and exciting drivers, as like the rest of life it is being nicely packaged and cocooned in H&S / political correctness to make it a safe sport! >:( :(

That is why watching 2008 F1 cars, and drivers, is so boring compared to 1968! :( :(


I could has written those exact same words Lizzie. :y :y

Wouldn't have said the last few laps today were boring - quite the opposite!  Hamilton put on quite a driving display in those conditions.


Yes exactly, and look where that got him!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

If you want to see what it was once like watch the 1968 movie "Grand Prix" :D ;)  It was pretty close to presenting it as it really was. :y
Title: Re: WARNING-Grand Prix result
Post by: dbug on 07 September 2008, 21:57:56
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Hamilton has been demoted to third place
Do you get the feeling that someone wants ferrari rather than mcclaren to win the title again? :-/

Nowadays F1 does not like battling, adventerous, risky and exciting drivers, as like the rest of life it is being nicely packaged and cocooned in H&S / political correctness to make it a safe sport! >:( :(

That is why watching 2008 F1 cars, and drivers, is so boring compared to 1968! :( :(


I could has written those exact same words Lizzie. :y :y

Wouldn't have said the last few laps today were boring - quite the opposite!  Hamilton put on quite a driving display in those conditions.


Yes exactly, and look where that got him!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

If you want to see what it was once like watch the 1968 movie "Grand Prix" :D ;)  It was pretty close to presenting it as it really was. :y

Used to race myself in the 60s - used to go to a lot of GPs as well then as well as Le Mans most years, so plenty of hands on experience of racing in that era!  F1 is different now because cars have become a lot more technically advanced since then as well as safer - circuits have also improved safety wise - and this limits overtaking opportunities.

I remember well being tipped over on the short circuit chicane at Mallory years ago by Roger Williamson in his Holbay Anglia.  He died later at Nurbughring - burnt to death - this probably wouldn't have happened in todays racing.  Surely safety is important in any sport including F1.

Or do a lot of people still go to see a serious accident?

Don't need to watch a movie to see what it was like
Title: Re: WARNING-Grand Prix result
Post by: philhoward on 07 September 2008, 22:15:02
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Best finish I have seen to a F1 race in ages. Quite often watching paint dry can be more exciting.
Why was Hamilton demoted to third.?. :y :y
possibly because he wasnt driving a ferrari ?
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Title: Re: WARNING-Grand Prix result
Post by: bob.dent on 07 September 2008, 22:19:38
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Best finish I have seen to a F1 race in ages. Quite often watching paint dry can be more exciting.
Why was Hamilton demoted to third.?. :y :y

Because Ferrari has the FIA in their pockets. >:(
Title: Re: WARNING-Grand Prix result
Post by: dbug on 07 September 2008, 22:25:18
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Best finish I have seen to a F1 race in ages. Quite often watching paint dry can be more exciting.
Why was Hamilton demoted to third.?. :y :y

Because Ferrari has the FIA in their pockets. >:(

Unfortunately I think you are right.  Still no doubt Ron won't let this go easily ;)
Title: Re: WARNING-Grand Prix result
Post by: albitz on 08 September 2008, 17:04:38
qoute from Niki Lauda today (3x world champion-twice in a Ferrari)
"This is the worst decision in the history of F1,the most perverse judgment i,ve ever seen,Hamilton did nothing wrong."  :y :y
Title: Re: WARNING-Grand Prix result
Post by: Proz on 08 September 2008, 17:07:31
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Best finish I have seen to a F1 race in ages. Quite often watching paint dry can be more exciting.
Why was Hamilton demoted to third.?. :y :y

Because Ferrari has the FIA in their pockets. >:(


Couldnt have put it better myself ..... i bet it wouldnt have happened if it was the other way round  :-/
Title: Re: WARNING-Grand Prix result
Post by: albitz on 08 September 2008, 17:14:30
As I said last night, the number 2 in world motorsport (afaik) is marco piccinini ,who for several years was the Ferrari team manager.
the top man is Max Mosley, who was bernie ecclestones lawyer when bernie was in the process of becoming the "owner' OF f1.
Max Mosley reportedly hates Ron Dennis (team principal at Mclaren)  ;)
Title: Re: WARNING-Grand Prix result
Post by: FRE07962128 on 08 September 2008, 18:42:00
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Hamilton has been demoted to third place
Do you get the feeling that someone wants ferrari rather than mcclaren to win the title again? :-/

Nowadays F1 does not like battling, adventerous, risky and exciting drivers, as like the rest of life it is being nicely packaged and cocooned in H&S / political correctness to make it a safe sport! >:( :(

That is why watching 2008 F1 cars, and drivers, is so boring compared to 1968! :( :(


I could has written those exact same words Lizzie. :y :y

Wouldn't have said the last few laps today were boring - quite the opposite!  Hamilton put on quite a driving display in those conditions.


Yes exactly, and look where that got him!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

If you want to see what it was once like watch the 1968 movie "Grand Prix" :D ;)  It was pretty close to presenting it as it really was. :y

Used to race myself in the 60s - used to go to a lot of GPs as well then as well as Le Mans most years, so plenty of hands on experience of racing in that era!  F1 is different now because cars have become a lot more technically advanced since then as well as safer - circuits have also improved safety wise - and this limits overtaking opportunities.

I remember well being tipped over on the short circuit chicane at Mallory years ago by Roger Williamson in his Holbay Anglia.  He died later at Nurbughring - burnt to death - this probably wouldn't have happened in todays racing.  Surely safety is important in any sport including F1.
Or do a lot of people still go to see a serious accident?

Don't need to watch a movie to see what it was like

I agree entirely Dbug that H&S is very important, but if they make F1 any safer, removing any dangers and making it even more sterile than it is, then we all might as well go and sit next to the M1 to get our thrills. :( :(

No we don't want to witness drivers dying as they once did, but if they take any more of the thrills and excitment out of this sport then why bother to watch it especially when a driver uses all his skills to win but has some crass official deem otherwise after the event?  >:(::) ::) ::) ::)

As for not needing to watch a film to appreciate what it was like, I am pleased you are like me and obviously of enough mature years to remember it first hand.  However there are no doubt many oof members who are not yet forty years of age so would not be able to remember those days. ;D ;)

Like our world generally there needs to be change in F1 if the crowds / audencies are to return and it is not to disappear as a completely irrelevant, boring, totally commercially driven and highly expensive "sport". :( :(

Title: Re: WARNING-Grand Prix result
Post by: platty on 08 September 2008, 18:53:20
Having just got back fome Spa this morning, I am really quite disappointed with this decision. It was my first time actually at a Grand Prix and possibly the best racing I have seen for many years in F1 - the atmosphere was absolutley electric at Pouhon when Lewis and Kimi were battling it out...

Then the FIA stewards flag up an unfair advantage, not Ferrari, but the FIA. For me it took the edge off a fantastic weekend of motorsport.  >:(
Title: Re: WARNING-Grand Prix result
Post by: theolodian on 08 September 2008, 19:00:25
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Having just got back fome Spa this morning, I am really quite disappointed with this decision. It was my first time actually at a Grand Prix and possibly the best racing I have seen for many years in F1 - the atmosphere was absolutley electric at Pouhon when Lewis and Kimi were battling it out...

Then the FIA stewards flag up an unfair advantage, not Ferrari, but the FIA. For me it took the edge off a fantastic weekend of motorsport.  >:(
At least the media is calling it worse for F1 than for Hamilton.  I say we all go to Monza and just constantly hurl junk onto the track.  SPa was as much of a farce as the US grand prix with 6 cars in it.  >:( >:(
Title: Re: WARNING-Grand Prix result
Post by: platty on 08 September 2008, 19:07:09
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At least the media is calling it worse for F1 than for Hamilton.  I say we all go to Monza and just constantly hurl junk onto the track.  SPa was as much of a farce as the US grand prix with 6 cars in it.  >:( >:(

I am massively dissapointed that Lewis was demoted - however he is still leading and the McLaren was the better car on the day - so no worries there.

The FIA's intentions are more worrying though - I really don't want it to put me off going again.
Title: Re: WARNING-Grand Prix result
Post by: theolodian on 08 September 2008, 19:20:30
Longer quote from Niki Lauda;

"In the past, there have always been rumours and stories - and I've always been completely against them because they've never been proven - that Ferrari, because of its past and history, was always against McLaren with the stewards and the FIA, who if there was a decision, were in favour of Ferrari," said Lauda.

"I've always said this is bulls**t, that this is a sport and you have to be neutral, but the decision yesterday makes me believe that everyone is watching Ferrari in a positive way and McLaren in a very negative way.

"What developed yesterday is the biggest mess the sport has ever done."

Think about it, no real penalty for Ferrari in Monaco or Valencia, massive penalties for McLaren 3 times this year for similar incidents!  This is not a sport, it's an elitist bunch of tosspots.  >:(
Title: Re: WARNING-Grand Prix result
Post by: Richard A on 08 September 2008, 19:47:20
Well said Niki Lauda. Max Mosley went to court for being a 'tosspot', sorry for being 'tossed -off', which just goes to prove he is a w--ker.
regards
richard a

Title: Re: WARNING-Grand Prix result
Post by: platty on 08 September 2008, 19:50:49
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Well said Niki Lauda. Max Mosley went to court for being a 'tosspot', sorry for being 'tossed -off', which just goes to prove he is a w--ker.
regards
richard a

 

Agreed, however he has been a very busy man keping the FIA on his side - he doesn't like McLaren and does have quite a bit of control when needs be... It is easy to see how people reach the conclusion of conspiracy.
Title: Re: WARNING-Grand Prix result
Post by: theolodian on 08 September 2008, 19:51:33
Makes you wonder if Schumacher really was that good or if his success was just a product of a bent establishment.  ::) :D
Title: Re: WARNING-Grand Prix result
Post by: albitz on 08 September 2008, 20:08:00
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Makes you wonder if Schumacher really was that good or if his success was just a product of a bent establishment.  ::) :D
Well said. I have never believed that he was as good as they say.
I think he was a cheat and a dangerous driver who should have been kicked out of the sport onmany occasions. :y
Title: Re: WARNING-Grand Prix result
Post by: Weds on 08 September 2008, 21:46:53
Have a look at this video from the cars.... looks like Kimi brake tested Lewis into that infamous corner..

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6ovii_wwwformulamagcom-hamiltonkimi_sport