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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: STEMO on 28 December 2021, 18:59:40
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You are dropping down the pecking order;
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-10317955/Nine-big-changes-driving-laws-road-rules-car-tech-coming-2022.html
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Well there's a lot of effin stupidness amongst that lot! ::)
Whoever dreamed up giving pedestrians priority over cars at junctions as in the diagram needs taking out and shooting! :o ::)
Can you imagine the iffy insurance claims? >:(
An anovver fing.... As an ex-lorryist I've never had much sympathy with bicyclists who ride up the inside of large vehicles. They should be responsible for their own actions! :-X
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The horse thing is fair enough though. :)
There's lots of horsey types round here and I've often seen cars zip by horses without slowing down or even giving them a wide berth! :o ::)
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I read this somewhere else a few days ago :o
I can see a few injured cyclists and pedestrians in the near future :-X
how much RFL are the moving targets cyclists/walkers going to pay :D
I imagine there will be plenty of rear end shunts :-X as cars stop before turning into a road :(
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Intelligent speed assistance! On all new cars from mid next year.
Big brother. Might stop some buying a new car?
Motoring in twenty years time will be duller than washing dishes. The children of today will become driven by automated taxis. They will of course be able to continue doing whatever it is that they do on their phones without the hassle of driving.
We have just had our wonderful scenic road to our local town “ upgraded” with 12 million of mostly EU money. Great new surface and they have eliminated the narrow sections and sharp bends. Now it is bland and flanked by armco on both sides right at the edge of the road for 20 miles destroying the view of the scenery and the road ahead. Overtaking is now very difficult so you are stuffed if you encounter a tractor or labouring lorry. Worse there is nowhere to pull off if you breakdown. The armco in quite a few places is doubled. The extra lower section presumably is to stop motorcyclists sliding under. All in all a great example of the nanny state but everyone can drive it easily at 45 mph
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Don't we have kerbs over here? Not curbs .....
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/17/15/46094807-10317955-This_graphic_shows_how_the_Highway_Code_will_change_early_next_y-a-34_1639754907742.jpg)
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The horse thing is fair enough though. :)
There's lots of horsey types round here and I've often seen cars zip by horses without slowing down or even giving them a wide berth! :o ::)
On the other hand - also have lots of them around here. They ride two or even three abreast along the roads with a long line of cars behind them and dont give a toss.
A local Doctor complained about being stuck behind then when he was on his way to a patient who had a heart attack.
Keep them on the green stuff. Roads are for cars and motorbikes.
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Keep them on the green stuff. Roads are for cars and motorbikes.
I agree ..... there's a time & a place for horses, today's busy roads are not the place for a jittery horse
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We have paths along riverbanks & fields with paths galore all local to me all are suitable for horse riding but for reasons beyond my thinking skills, the people who ride them all want to do so along fast stretches of road where the poor drivers amongst us scare the animals & have total disregard for them. It's a bad situation that does need to be addressed.
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We have paths along riverbanks & fields with paths galore all local to me all are suitable for horse riding but for reasons beyond my thinking skills, the people who ride them all want to do so along fast stretches of road where the poor drivers amongst us scare the animals & have total disregard for them. It's a bad situation that does need to be addressed.
same mentality as lycra clad cyclists that insist on riding on busy the 2 & 4 lane by-passes around here when there's a dedicated cycle lane near by ..... they're entitled to.
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Don't we have kerbs over here? Not curbs .....
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/17/15/46094807-10317955-This_graphic_shows_how_the_Highway_Code_will_change_early_next_y-a-34_1639754907742.jpg)
I'm in two minds about this:
the junctions change is contrary to all good sense, and if followed will increase the number of rear end collisions at junctions. It takes away the pedestrian's responsibility for being aware of what they're doing.
Drivers expect.... cycle training has ALWAYS taught cyclists that riding in the gutter is very dangerous. The government's own publication(I've just checked my copy) suggests that 0.5metre from the curb is the minimum distance which it calls the Secondary Riding Position. and 'should be adopted when it is reasonable when this could help others as long as your safety is not thereby impaired' - their emphasis. The Primary Riding Position is in the centre of the left hand lane. I'll wait while you all froth at the mouth. This is not new advice, as it's what I learnt when taking the cycling proficiency test in junior school over forty years ago. Incidentally, the school still runs the same test, using the same roads. It's the same advice that anyone who takes extra vehicle instruction; you take control of your bit of the road for you own safety and then that of other road users, whether your vehicle is a bicycle or a 40 tonne truck.
The same bill also makes changes to how road layouts are constructed for cycle lanes etc to reduce the complaints and improve their abysmal safety - that's my opinion from using many of them around here. I guarantee that won't be followed.
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We have paths along riverbanks & fields with paths galore all local to me all are suitable for horse riding but for reasons beyond my thinking skills, the people who ride them all want to do so along fast stretches of road where the poor drivers amongst us scare the animals & have total disregard for them. It's a bad situation that does need to be addressed.
same mentality as lycra clad cyclists that insist on riding on busy the 2 & 4 lane by-passes around here when there's a dedicated cycle lane near by ..... they're entitled to.
And in many cases, the dedicated cycle lanes are utterly inadequate for any cycle without training wheels. There are several around here that I won't use for that reason.
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We have paths along riverbanks & fields with paths galore all local to me all are suitable for horse riding but for reasons beyond my thinking skills, the people who ride them all want to do so along fast stretches of road where the poor drivers amongst us scare the animals & have total disregard for them. It's a bad situation that does need to be addressed.
same mentality as lycra clad cyclists that insist on riding on busy the 2 & 4 lane by-passes around here when there's a dedicated cycle lane near by ..... they're entitled to.
And in many cases, the dedicated cycle lanes are utterly inadequate for any cycle without training wheels. There are several around here that I won't use for that reason.
so you can't complain too much then when vehicles pass a little closer to you than you'd like ;)
You've lost me re the training wheels/stabilisers .... ???
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Presumably a suitability issue... ie in such poor condition that training wheels are required to negotiate them safely...
I agree re the positions... If you're in the middle of the lane anyone wishing to pass has to consider how they are going to, ie they actually have to think about the manoeuvre. Riding at the edge of the lane is asking to get smeared into the kerb.
I was always under the impression that a pedestrian walking along a main road and having to cross a side road had priority along the main road over any traffic wishing to turn into that road.
Likewise, anyone passing a cyclist etc immediately before turning left needs a slap.
Neither of these are new concepts.
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And in many cases, the dedicated cycle lanes are utterly inadequate for any cycle without training wheels. There are several around here that I won't use for that reason.
so you can't complain too much then when vehicles pass a little closer to you than you'd like ;)
You've lost me re the training wheels/stabilisers .... ???
I don't. I've made the decision to avoid the dangerous cycle path and use the road where all vehicles should be. I do change my routes when using a bike compared to a car to take advantage of the different characteristics of both the vehicle and the road. For instance, if cycling towards Maidstone from home, I use two residential roads instead of the main route, and join it after pushing the bike 50m through an alley. This is quicker, easier, safer and has fewer junctions than riding up the main road. And that's just the first mile...
Training wheels: how fast do you think a bike fitted with them can travel and corner? It's the limit that many dedicated cycle lanes are safe to use. That's assuming that they're in a reasonable condition; if you think the roads are in a state, try a bike/lane.
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Anything allowed on the road should be insured
Anything mechanically propeled should have appropriate road worthyness certificaton (Including cars over 40 years old)
Cyclists push the boundaries of the law too far now (Why not allow more flexibillity and ignore red lights)
Horses/riders should have insurance (I got my jag trampled on in the late 80's by a horse at a juction with a 14 year old rider on it that was usung the horse without the owners permision)
PEDESTRIANS - There is one in a local village to me that just walks straight across juctions with his dog without checking 1st.
1st time was a petrol station managed to stop within an inch of him.
2nd was the other week, went to see my brother an the bottom of the road is a bit of a blind bend, I saw him so he must have seen me but just blateently walked in front of me.
It seems the law is now in his favour - glad I have a dash cam.
Roads are for cars
Paths are for pedestians.
and the laws an ass
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PEDESTRIANS - There is one in a local village to me that just walks straight across juctions with his dog without checking 1st.
1st time was a petrol station managed to stop within an inch of him.
2nd was the other week, went to see my brother an the bottom of the road is a bit of a blind bend, I saw him so he must have seen me but just blateently walked in front of me.
It seems the law is now in his favour - glad I have a dash cam.
Roads are for cars
Paths are for pedestians.
and the laws an ass
just about about kid coming out of school seems to have the right to just walk out into traffic .... they do look but assume you'll be able to stop.
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The rule about the speed limiter will certainly bring some strange situations. New models with the limiter will be stuck at 70 on the motorway while 20 year old Ford fiestas fly past them.
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I was always under the impression that a pedestrian walking along a main road and having to cross a side road had priority along the main road over any traffic wishing to turn into that road.
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Currently, only if they've already started to cross I believe. :y. The new rule implies that a driver turning off the main road has to give way just in case a person stood at a junction wishes to cross. That person may simply be waiting to be picked up. ;D
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The rule about the speed limiter will certainly bring some strange situations. New models with the limiter will be stuck at 70 on the motorway while 20 year old Ford fiestas fly past them.
I sincerely hope the driver has the option to disable this.......much like the stop/start nanny thingy.
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The rule about the speed limiter will certainly bring some strange situations. New models with the limiter will be stuck at 70 on the motorway while 20 year old Ford fiestas fly past them.
I sincerely hope the driver has the option to disable this.......much like the stop/start nanny thingy.
Of course they don't, what would be the point?
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I was always under the impression that a pedestrian walking along a main road and having to cross a side road had priority along the main road over any traffic wishing to turn into that road.
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Currently, only if they've already started to cross I believe. :y. The new rule implies that a driver turning off the main road has to give way just in case a person stood at a junction wishes to cross. That person may simply be waiting to be picked up. ;D
Anyone following the main road has priority over vehicles joining said road, so it is implied that the 'overtaking vehicle' must keep clear of slower road users, ie not turn left across the front of them :-\
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The rule about the speed limiter will certainly bring some strange situations. New models with the limiter will be stuck at 70 on the motorway while 20 year old Ford fiestas fly past them.
I sincerely hope the driver has the option to disable this.......much like the stop/start nanny thingy.
Of course they don't, what would be the point?
To travel faster than 70 MPH. :)
My guess is that initially the driver will be able to switch the meddling nanny off......but in a few years time who knows. :-X
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Many People can't even follow the rules we already have ,so these new rules won't end well .
cyclists and pedestrians are a lot more squashy than cars ,so they will have to use common sense /risk assessment ,rather than just hope everyone follows the NEW rules ,because they won't :P
There's already that bus that kills several Covid patients daily :D
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Many People can't even follow the rules we already have ,so these new rules won't end well .
cyclists and pedestrians are a lot more squashy than cars ,so they will have to use common sense /risk assessment ,rather than just hope everyone follows the NEW rules ,because they won't :P
There's already that bus that kills several Covid patients daily :D
Yes if it's possible, these new rules will give the lycra clad brigade an even greater sense of entitlement, when IMO the onus should be on them to ride sensibly and defensively.
I saw a good meme the other day that basically said that cyclists expect all other road users to look after their safety, whereas motorcyclists assume all the other road users are trained assassins out to get them! ;D
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Cyclists push the boundaries of the law too far now (Why not allow more flexibillity and ignore red lights)
Ever looked at what some car drivers do? There's a lot more of them, and some of them shouldn't be allowed out of the house without their shoe laces tied together and their mouth sewn shut with lockwire.
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Cyclists push the boundaries of the law too far now (Why not allow more flexibillity and ignore red lights)
Ever looked at what some car drivers do? There's a lot more of them, and some of them shouldn't be allowed out of the house without their shoe laces tied together and their mouth sewn shut with lockwire.
I know. Here in the Sheffield area I think we had on one driver got caught on the way to work the day red light cameras went active at traffic lights and then the same lights going home that night.
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Cyclists push the boundaries of the law too far now (Why not allow more flexibillity and ignore red lights)
Ever looked at what some car drivers do? There's a lot more of them, and some of them shouldn't be allowed out of the house without their shoe laces tied together and their mouth sewn shut with lockwire.
Tell us about it. Earlier in the year a driver demolished a trolley park area at our local B&Q., ending up with it's front end in the air on top of the wreckage.
Then, just the other week my local Sainsbury's had this happen in their car park:
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/ashford/news/shock-as-car-ploughs-into-sainsburys-trolley-bay-258326/
!! ::) ::) ::) ;D ;)
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Cyclists push the boundaries of the law too far now (Why not allow more flexibillity and ignore red lights)
Ever looked at what some car drivers do? There's a lot more of them, and some of them shouldn't be allowed out of the house without their shoe laces tied together and their mouth sewn shut with lockwire.
Tell us about it. Earlier in the year a driver demolished a trolley park area at our local B&Q., ending up with it's front end in the air on top of the wreckage.
Then, just the other week my local Sainsbury's had this happen in their car park:
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/ashford/news/shock-as-car-ploughs-into-sainsburys-trolley-bay-258326/ (https://www.kentonline.co.uk/ashford/news/shock-as-car-ploughs-into-sainsburys-trolley-bay-258326/)
!! ::) ::) ::) ;D ;)
Without seeing the vehicles or sites, here are some details:
Honda Jazz, Vauxhall Meriva or some other small, boxy car. Or it was a scratched Rover25 with the full dog hair interior.
Driver well past retirement age.
Automatic transmission
The first thing they said after being removed from the car was 'what happened?' That's if they weren't unconscious and put straight into an ambulance.
Their middle aged children quickly arrived after being called by the police
I have recovered several crashes with one or more of those things in common, like one off a traffic island that was a courtesy car from the bodyshop repairing her own car from the same place, others that had hit walls on both sides of the road just backing out of their drive, one that had gone up their steep drive and almost drive off the roof of the garage, in a car park that the driver's daughter arrived and said "that's the third car she's done that too, perhaps she should give up driving" Perhaps? oppsing perhaps :o :o ???
My favourite was one Sunday afternoon after it had punched out the wall under the garage window, then backwards onto the drive, down the side of the house, across the road, down another drive, through a hedge, across the lawn and into a swimming pool.
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Cyclists push the boundaries of the law too far now (Why not allow more flexibillity and ignore red lights)
Ever looked at what some car drivers do? There's a lot more of them, and some of them shouldn't be allowed out of the house without their shoe laces tied together and their mouth sewn shut with lockwire.
Tell us about it. Earlier in the year a driver demolished a trolley park area at our local B&Q., ending up with it's front end in the air on top of the wreckage.
Then, just the other week my local Sainsbury's had this happen in their car park:
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/ashford/news/shock-as-car-ploughs-into-sainsburys-trolley-bay-258326/ (https://www.kentonline.co.uk/ashford/news/shock-as-car-ploughs-into-sainsburys-trolley-bay-258326/)
!! ::) ::) ::) ;D ;)
Without seeing the vehicles or sites, here are some details:
Honda Jazz, Vauxhall Meriva or some other small, boxy car. Or it was a scratched Rover25 with the full dog hair interior.
Driver well past retirement age.
Automatic transmission
The first thing they said after being removed from the car was 'what happened?' That's if they weren't unconscious and put straight into an ambulance.
Their middle aged children quickly arrived after being called by the police
I have recovered several crashes with one or more of those things in common, like one off a traffic island that was a courtesy car from the bodyshop repairing her own car from the same place, others that had hit walls on both sides of the road just backing out of their drive, one that had gone up their steep drive and almost drive off the roof of the garage, in a car park that the driver's daughter arrived and said "that's the third car she's done that too, perhaps she should give up driving" Perhaps? oppsing perhaps :o :o ???
My favourite was one Sunday afternoon after it had punched out the wall under the garage window, then backwards onto the drive, down the side of the house, across the road, down another drive, through a hedge, across the lawn and into a swimming pool.[/highlight]
Answers to the name of Moon. ;)
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Didn't answer to anything, as the heart attack that happened at some point during all of that killed him.
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Can't have been that much left to recover.
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Can't have been that much left to recover.
Why not?
I probably did more damage getting it out of the pool than was done previously.
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Cyclists push the boundaries of the law too far now (Why not allow more flexibillity and ignore red lights)
Ever looked at what some car drivers do? There's a lot more of them, and some of them shouldn't be allowed out of the house without their shoe laces tied together and their mouth sewn shut with lockwire.
Tell us about it. Earlier in the year a driver demolished a trolley park area at our local B&Q., ending up with it's front end in the air on top of the wreckage.
Then, just the other week my local Sainsbury's had this happen in their car park:
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/ashford/news/shock-as-car-ploughs-into-sainsburys-trolley-bay-258326/ (https://www.kentonline.co.uk/ashford/news/shock-as-car-ploughs-into-sainsburys-trolley-bay-258326/)
!! ::) ::) ::) ;D ;)
Without seeing the vehicles or sites, here are some details:
Honda Jazz, Vauxhall Meriva or some other small, boxy car. Or it was a scratched Rover25 with the full dog hair interior.
Driver well past retirement age.
Automatic transmission
The first thing they said after being removed from the car was 'what happened?' That's if they weren't unconscious and put straight into an ambulance.
Their middle aged children quickly arrived after being called by the police
I recognise those comments well. My dear departed 80 year old dad would not give up driving, until he had twice, in separate incidents, ended up having a lorry run up his offside when on a motorway. Both times he lost his door mirror, and had dents in the bodywork. He reluctantly gave up driving and left that to my lovely, now departed mum, who was 78……………..
Whilst their car was in for accident repairs, she managed to accelerate in the just loaned garage car to end up hitting a ramp and flying onto the roofs of three “for sale” cars!!! She always claimed to have not known what happened………
She then gave up driving to the relief of us children ::) ::) ;D ;D
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Cyclists push the boundaries of the law too far now (Why not allow more flexibillity and ignore red lights)
Ever looked at what some car drivers do? There's a lot more of them, and some of them shouldn't be allowed out of the house without their shoe laces tied together and their mouth sewn shut with lockwire.
Tell us about it. Earlier in the year a driver demolished a trolley park area at our local B&Q., ending up with it's front end in the air on top of the wreckage.
Then, just the other week my local Sainsbury's had this happen in their car park:
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/ashford/news/shock-as-car-ploughs-into-sainsburys-trolley-bay-258326/
!! ::) ::) ::) ;D ;)
Heres how they park in Doncaster just up the road from me. :-X
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28uy-a_Cclk
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That's a real mess , what on earth was going on ?
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That's a real mess , what on earth was going on ?
Just read the article on Yorkshire Live, Mick, a lorry lost control and smashed into them.
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/scene-utter-chaos-lorry-smashes-22590183
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That's a real mess , what on earth was going on ?
Just read the article on Yorkshire Live, Mick, a lorry lost control and smashed into them.
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/scene-utter-chaos-lorry-smashes-22590183
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Hi Steve, he certainly made a great job of that imagine what it sounded like what an insurance claim that's going to be, fancy parking up & coming back to that !
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A lorry did similar to the Mercedes dealers at the bottom of the road from Capt Zok a few years ago. The lorry driver had some kind of medical problem (presume heart attack) while at the wheel and took out a line of brand new & almost new Mercs. I would imagine that would have cost a few quid too.
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Cyclists push the boundaries of the law too far now (Why not allow more flexibillity and ignore red lights)
Ever looked at what some car drivers do? There's a lot more of them, and some of them shouldn't be allowed out of the house without their shoe laces tied together and their mouth sewn shut with lockwire.
Tell us about it. Earlier in the year a driver demolished a trolley park area at our local B&Q., ending up with it's front end in the air on top of the wreckage.
Then, just the other week my local Sainsbury's had this happen in their car park:
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/ashford/news/shock-as-car-ploughs-into-sainsburys-trolley-bay-258326/
!! ::) ::) ::) ;D ;)
Heres how they park in Doncaster just up the road from me. :-X
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28uy-a_Cclk
Yes, what a mess indeed! ::) ::) ::)