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Anyone watching how many European countries are making vaccination mandatory.
Italy is the latest for the over 50s .
Doesnt apply in Spain or UK as a high take up already but does make one wonder…….
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Anyone watching how many European countries are making vaccination mandatory.
Italy is the latest for the over 50s .
Doesnt apply in Spain or UK as a high take up already but does make one wonder…….
How the hell the Italian government think they're going to get away with that one. A step too far, I think.
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It shows that much of Europe have lost sight of the fundamental concepts of personal freedom and democracy.
Having said that, my solution for people stupid enough to think they shouldnt have the vaccine because its all a conspiracy is to shoot them and do the gene pool a favour. ;D
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It shows that much of Europe have lost sight of the fundamental concepts of personal freedom and democracy.
Having said that, my solution for people stupid enough to think they shouldnt have the vaccine because its all a conspiracy is to shoot them and do the gene pool a favour. ;D
Have you mooted this to the Italians, Albs? It seems a lot more simple than tying them up and sticking needles in them :-\
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Mandatory vaccinations are being introduced in several European countries, with Austria leading the way for over-14s from next month and Germany planning a similar move for adults. Italy's government was on Wednesday considering a compulsory vaccine pass for at least anyone over 60.
Turn the clock back two years and who would have imagined us wearing masks out and about. Turn the clock forward two years from now and what will we be just accepting?
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Mm. Austria, Germany and Italy. Anyone else see a pattern here ? ::) :D
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Like a sort of axis but where is Japan?
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Give it time. They will join in later. :y ;D
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Much like being required to have proof of vaccination to travel (proof of yellow fever and some other vaccinations have been mandated by certain countries for years) mandatory vaccination is not a new concept.
France, Italy, Austria and others have had mandatory vaccination policies long before COVID. Others mandate vaccinations in order to access certain public services - such as schools.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/mandatory-childhood-vaccination (https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/mandatory-childhood-vaccination)
I don't have a problem with mandatory COVID vaccination, particularly as people invariably seem want the state to look after them, at considerable expense, when they do catch it.
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I don't have a problem with this action.
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None of the countries mentioned are proposing to hold people down and stab them in the arm with whatever the latest jab is. They're going to fine people who aren't jabbed, and deny them access to certain public facilities - libraries, cinemas, pubs, bars, swimming pools etc.
The European Court of Human Rights has already ruled this is lawful in a case brought by two Czech people. Article 2 (Govt responsibility for public health) trumped Article 8 (respect for your private life).
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This is interesting. I accept that these governments are acting within their laws, but the resistance to this particular vaccine is very widespread, and I think I should stock up on popcorn. ;D
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This is interesting. I accept that these governments are acting within their laws, but the resistance to this particular vaccine is very widespread, and I think I should stock up on popcorn. ;D
Nothing else to watch until Sunday...
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This is interesting. I accept that these governments are acting within their laws, but the resistance to this particular vaccine is very widespread, and I think I should stock up on popcorn. ;D
Its the arsebook generation. Obviously its not just about vaccines or 5G networks (not withstanding Boeing/Airbus concerns on aircraft instrumentation, before DG pipes in), its in every aspect of life. Somebody makes up pure shit for the hell of it, posts it on social media, some nobody "influencer" reidiotters it, and suddenly it becomes fact.
I've said before, social media is the cancer of modern society.
My views on mandated vaccination for a population are complex, but essentially it boils down to the government has a duty to protect its population as a whole (not individuals, though). Individuals should have a moral obligation to not cause harm and medical suffering to others. If vaccines fulfil that, then it should be considered as an option if no other viable options are available.
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OK....so what happens next if a person (as is their right) decides that they don't want to be jabbed ?
Where does it lead?
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None of the countries mentioned are proposing to hold people down and stab them in the arm with whatever the latest jab is. They're going to fine people who aren't jabbed, and deny them access to certain public facilities - libraries, cinemas, pubs, bars, swimming pools etc.
The European Court of Human Rights has already ruled this is lawful in a case brought by two Czech people. Article 2 (Govt responsibility for public health) trumped Article 8 (respect for your private life).
Oh....much like the Nazi party and the Jews.
Oh course later on they went even further.
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None of the countries mentioned are proposing to hold people down and stab them in the arm with whatever the latest jab is. They're going to fine people who aren't jabbed, and deny them access to certain public facilities - libraries, cinemas, pubs, bars, swimming pools etc.
The European Court of Human Rights has already ruled this is lawful in a case brought by two Czech people. Article 2 (Govt responsibility for public health) trumped Article 8 (respect for your private life).
Are you Ok if their children are excluded from school?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to work and make a living?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to use the supermarket?
These restrictions tend to get 'extended' especially when talikng about countries with form.....such as Germany, Italy, and Austria. :)
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OK....so what happens next if a person (as is their right) decides that they don't want to be jabbed ?
Where does it lead?
That depends on what other options are available, but potentially IMHO could mean those individuals have more stringent requirements to certain actions - I'm trying to think wider than just this chinese sniffle.
Back when I was a lad, AIDS was a big worry. Lets say I knowingly had AIDS in the 80s, a time when I was of an age, if it was alive, humanoid and female, it was fair sport. Should I be allowed* to have unprotected sex without telling them?
*allowed morally, who cares about legally.
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None of the countries mentioned are proposing to hold people down and stab them in the arm with whatever the latest jab is. They're going to fine people who aren't jabbed, and deny them access to certain public facilities - libraries, cinemas, pubs, bars, swimming pools etc.
The European Court of Human Rights has already ruled this is lawful in a case brought by two Czech people. Article 2 (Govt responsibility for public health) trumped Article 8 (respect for your private life).
Are you Ok if their children are excluded from school?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to work and make a living?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to use the supermarket?
These restrictions tend to get 'extended' especially when talikng about countries with form.....such as Germany, Italy, and Austria. :)
We don't have freedoms. If we did, I would have culled 2/3rds of the UK population by now.
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None of the countries mentioned are proposing to hold people down and stab them in the arm with whatever the latest jab is. They're going to fine people who aren't jabbed, and deny them access to certain public facilities - libraries, cinemas, pubs, bars, swimming pools etc.
The European Court of Human Rights has already ruled this is lawful in a case brought by two Czech people. Article 2 (Govt responsibility for public health) trumped Article 8 (respect for your private life).
Are you Ok if their children are excluded from school?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to work and make a living?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to use the supermarket?
These restrictions tend to get 'extended' especially when talikng about countries with form.....such as Germany, Italy, and Austria. :)
But for starters, speaking specifically about covid-19, if you refuse the jabs because you are ignorant, arrogant or believe shite on arsebook, that should immediately reduce your priority to medical care for said disease.
That in itself will help cull a few....
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None of the countries mentioned are proposing to hold people down and stab them in the arm with whatever the latest jab is. They're going to fine people who aren't jabbed, and deny them access to certain public facilities - libraries, cinemas, pubs, bars, swimming pools etc.
The European Court of Human Rights has already ruled this is lawful in a case brought by two Czech people. Article 2 (Govt responsibility for public health) trumped Article 8 (respect for your private life).
Are you Ok if their children are excluded from school?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to work and make a living?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to use the supermarket?
These restrictions tend to get 'extended' especially when talikng about countries with form.....such as Germany, Italy, and Austria. :)
We don't have freedoms. If we did, I would have culled 2/3rds of the UK population by now.
Only 2/3rds.....you're getting soft in your old age. It used to be 90% minimum. ;D
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None of the countries mentioned are proposing to hold people down and stab them in the arm with whatever the latest jab is. They're going to fine people who aren't jabbed, and deny them access to certain public facilities - libraries, cinemas, pubs, bars, swimming pools etc.
The European Court of Human Rights has already ruled this is lawful in a case brought by two Czech people. Article 2 (Govt responsibility for public health) trumped Article 8 (respect for your private life).
Are you Ok if their children are excluded from school?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to work and make a living?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to use the supermarket?
These restrictions tend to get 'extended' especially when talikng about countries with form.....such as Germany, Italy, and Austria. :)
We don't have freedoms. If we did, I would have culled 2/3rds of the UK population by now.
Only 2/3rds.....you're getting soft in your old age. It used to be 90% minimum. ;D
I didn't say I'd stop at 2/3rds. But seemed like a good place to reassess the criteria :P
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None of the countries mentioned are proposing to hold people down and stab them in the arm with whatever the latest jab is. They're going to fine people who aren't jabbed, and deny them access to certain public facilities - libraries, cinemas, pubs, bars, swimming pools etc.
The European Court of Human Rights has already ruled this is lawful in a case brought by two Czech people. Article 2 (Govt responsibility for public health) trumped Article 8 (respect for your private life).
Are you Ok if their children are excluded from school?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to work and make a living?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to use the supermarket?
These restrictions tend to get 'extended' especially when talikng about countries with form.....such as Germany, Italy, and Austria. :)
But for starters, speaking specifically about covid-19, if you refuse the jabs because you are ignorant, arrogant or believe shite on arsebook, that should immediately reduce your priority to medical care for said disease.
That in itself will help cull a few....
I don't think I am any of these and I'm certainly not anti-vax. :D
If the next variant turns out to be the black death on steroids I'll be first in he queue for jab 3........but for a pissy wet fart of a virus that is about 10% as potent as deadly man flu I'll pass for now. :)
About 40% of the population have not had the booster jab......in London it seems that over 70% have decided not to have it.
Have it or don't have it, it's up to the individual.
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OK....so what happens next if a person (as is their right) decides that they don't want to be jabbed ?
Where does it lead?
That depends on what other options are available, but potentially IMHO could mean those individuals have more stringent requirements to certain actions - I'm trying to think wider than just this chinese sniffle.
Back when I was a lad, AIDS was a big worry. Lets say I knowingly had AIDS in the 80s, a time when I was of an age, if it was alive, humanoid and female, it was fair sport. Should I be allowed* to have unprotected sex without telling them?
*allowed morally, who cares about legally.
So fussy. :D ;D
Although I agree on the female point.
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1. Are you Ok if their children are excluded from school?
2. Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to work and make a living?
3. Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to use the supermarket?
Doesn't really matter if I'm Ok with those things. What matters is if Parliament votes to bring those things in, then challenges to the ECtHR will not succeed, because they've already been ruled as proportionate. But since you ask....
1. Already happens in some states of the USA. Can't remember which virus it is - Small Pox, Measels, or summut - but if your kids aren't vaxxed then they can't go to state funded schools.
2. Already applies here (England) if you're a care worker, or frontline NHS. I believe NHS Surgeons also have to be vaxxed for HepB too.
3. Not aware of anywhere that does that, unless you're currently infected and supposed to be in isolation from something.
I get that there are "slippery slope arguments" everywhere in this, and that's one reason I support our current system of Govt. Idiots in the commons who read the Daily Mirror elected by the public who read the Sun and Social Mejia. And a house of Lords containing people of representing the Law, former Politicians who know how it works, and Religeous leaders trying to protect morals. It's not perfect, and yes there are chancers everywhere, but I'm not aware of a better system.
To put it in Star Trek terms - "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few".
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I must remember to quote that one to Lizzie. :)
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1. Are you Ok if their children are excluded from school?
2. Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to work and make a living?
3. Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to use the supermarket?
Doesn't really matter if I'm Ok with those things. What matters is if Parliament votes to bring those things in, then challenges to the ECtHR will not succeed, because they've already been ruled as proportionate. But since you ask....
1. Already happens in some states of the USA. Can't remember which virus it is - Small Pox, Measels, or summut - but if your kids aren't vaxxed then they can't go to state funded schools.
2. Already applies here (England) if you're a care worker, or frontline NHS. I believe NHS Surgeons also have to be vaxxed for HepB too.
3. Not aware of anywhere that does that, unless you're currently infected and supposed to be in isolation from something.
I get that there are "slippery slope arguments" everywhere in this, and that's one reason I support our current system of Govt. Idiots in the commons who read the Daily Mirror elected by the public who read the Sun and Social Mejia. And a house of Lords containing people of representing the Law, former Politicians who know how it works, and Religeous leaders trying to protect morals. It's not perfect, and yes there are chancers everywhere, but I'm not aware of a better system.
To put it in Star Trek terms - "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few".
That was Spock and I broadly agree. However, I don't see how not being vaccinated makes any difference to vaccinated people.
Keir mancervix Starmer has caught the lurgy again despite being triple jabbed, and may well have been infected by somebody else who is double or triple jabbed.
My point, in general, is that I want government influence on my life to be as small as possible. If we get to the point where everyone is forced to be vaccinated against their will then it all becomes 1984 and Room 101.
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None of the countries mentioned are proposing to hold people down and stab them in the arm with whatever the latest jab is. They're going to fine people who aren't jabbed, and deny them access to certain public facilities - libraries, cinemas, pubs, bars, swimming pools etc.
The European Court of Human Rights has already ruled this is lawful in a case brought by two Czech people. Article 2 (Govt responsibility for public health) trumped Article 8 (respect for your private life).
Are you Ok if their children are excluded from school?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to work and make a living?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to use the supermarket?
These restrictions tend to get 'extended' especially when talikng about countries with form.....such as Germany, Italy, and Austria. :)
We don't have freedoms. If we did, I would have culled 2/3rds of the UK population by now.
Only 2/3rds.....you're getting soft in your old age. It used to be 90% minimum. ;D
I didn't say I'd stop at 2/3rds. But seemed like a good place to reassess the criteria :P
There will only be you and Albitz left soon. It will be your job to repopulate the earth. ;D ;D ;D :D ;)
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None of the countries mentioned are proposing to hold people down and stab them in the arm with whatever the latest jab is. They're going to fine people who aren't jabbed, and deny them access to certain public facilities - libraries, cinemas, pubs, bars, swimming pools etc.
The European Court of Human Rights has already ruled this is lawful in a case brought by two Czech people. Article 2 (Govt responsibility for public health) trumped Article 8 (respect for your private life).
Are you Ok if their children are excluded from school?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to work and make a living?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to use the supermarket?
These restrictions tend to get 'extended' especially when talikng about countries with form.....such as Germany, Italy, and Austria. :)
But for starters, speaking specifically about covid-19, if you refuse the jabs because you are ignorant, arrogant or believe shite on arsebook, that should immediately reduce your priority to medical care for said disease.
That in itself will help cull a few....
This I do agree with. :y
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Are you Ok if their children are excluded from school? - Unaware that this has happened anywhere..... yet!
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to work and make a living? - Northern Territories, Australia have decreed in their latest lockdown rule change that the unvaxxed cannot leave the house without good reason. Exercise and work are not deemed good reason.
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to use the supermarket? - France and Lithuania.
These restrictions tend to get 'extended' especially when talikng about countries with form.....such as Germany, Italy, and Austria. :)
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With freedom comes responsibility. You should have the freedom to decide not to be jabbed.
You should then be responsible enough to stay away from other people, as there is a chance you could be responsible for killing someone without even knowing you had done it.
If you arent responsible enough / too self centred to do this then TB will hopefully cull you. :)
I suspect that by the end of next month - when the Christmas / new year surge is over - and the picture becomes clearer, it will be decided that the current strain is not actually as great a threat to life as previous ones, and everyone should get back to something close to what we used to think of as normal.
Everyone having the jabs will of course get us there a lot quicker.
If we get well into this year and deaths are low and hospitals arent overwhelmed by Covid, but we are still being bombarded with fear and horror from all sides, that is the time to start worrying about Politicians wanting to keep control of us for the sake of it.
Those who are currently on that side of the argument are a bit premature imo.
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None of the countries mentioned are proposing to hold people down and stab them in the arm with whatever the latest jab is. They're going to fine people who aren't jabbed, and deny them access to certain public facilities - libraries, cinemas, pubs, bars, swimming pools etc.
The European Court of Human Rights has already ruled this is lawful in a case brought by two Czech people. Article 2 (Govt responsibility for public health) trumped Article 8 (respect for your private life).
Are you Ok if their children are excluded from school?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to work and make a living?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to use the supermarket?
These restrictions tend to get 'extended' especially when talikng about countries with form.....such as Germany, Italy, and Austria. :)
But for starters, speaking specifically about covid-19, if you refuse the jabs because you are ignorant, arrogant or believe shite on arsebook, that should immediately reduce your priority to medical care for said disease.
That in itself will help cull a few....
This I do agree with. :y
I can see the logic but......
One of the biggest drains on the NHS is treatment of obese people (to be kind and PC) I will refer to them as fat bastards. :y
Illness related to smoking is huge as is the cost to the NHS.
It can be argued these are all self inflicted......as opposed to being hit by a bus.
Now if TB culled all of these first. ::) ::) ::) 8) ;)
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However, I don't see how not being vaccinated makes any difference to vaccinated people.
In the long run, hopefully it won't. In the short term however, not being vaccinated makes it much more likely you end up in Hospital, ICU, or dead. That does directly affect vaccinated people, because they have to pay for your care, and it also deprives the vaccinated of a bed they may need for heart or stroke treatment.
Keir mancervix Starmer has caught the lurgy again despite being triple jabbed, and may well have been infected by somebody else who is double or triple jabbed.
Agreed, but AFAIK he hasn't ended up in hospital costing you and me money - presumably because he's triple jabbed and recovered.
My point, in general, is that I want government influence on my life to be as small as possible. If we get to the point where everyone is forced to be vaccinated against their will then it all becomes 1984 and Room 101.
The UK has had mandatory vaccinations in the past for Small Pox(1853-1971). I understand the slippery slope argument, but the truth is no two people have the same opinions on everything, so something that is acceptable to you may not be acceptable to me and vice verca). The basic tenet of society is that if you want to live in that society, then you need to abide by the rules of that society. If you no longer agree with those rules you can campaign to change them, or bu99er off to somewhere where their rules are more acceptable to you. However, ignoring the rules probably won't be tolerated for very long.
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None of the countries mentioned are proposing to hold people down and stab them in the arm with whatever the latest jab is. They're going to fine people who aren't jabbed, and deny them access to certain public facilities - libraries, cinemas, pubs, bars, swimming pools etc.
The European Court of Human Rights has already ruled this is lawful in a case brought by two Czech people. Article 2 (Govt responsibility for public health) trumped Article 8 (respect for your private life).
Are you Ok if their children are excluded from school?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to work and make a living?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to use the supermarket?
These restrictions tend to get 'extended' especially when talikng about countries with form.....such as Germany, Italy, and Austria. :)
But for starters, speaking specifically about covid-19, if you refuse the jabs because you are ignorant, arrogant or believe shite on arsebook, that should immediately reduce your priority to medical care for said disease.
That in itself will help cull a few....
This I do agree with. :y
I can see the logic but......
One of the biggest drains on the NHS is treatment of obese people (to be kind and PC) I will refer to them as fat bastards. :y
Illness related to smoking is huge as is the cost to the NHS.
It can be argued these are all self inflicted......as opposed to being hit by a bus.
Now if TB culled all of these first. ::) ::) ::) 8) ;)
….there wouldn't be many posters left on OOF. ;D
Illness related to smoking is huge as is the cost to the NHS.
Hmmm.....
In 2020/21, tobacco duty tax receipts in the United Kingdom amounted to approximately 9.96 billion British pounds, compared with 9.29 billion pounds in the previous financial year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1DviQ9mva0
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I can see the logic but......
One of the biggest drains on the NHS is treatment of obese people (to be kind and PC) I will refer to them as fat bastards. :y
Illness related to smoking is huge as is the cost to the NHS.
It can be argued these are all self inflicted......as opposed to being hit by a bus.
Now if TB culled all of these first. ::) ::) ::) 8) ;)
the "FAT " , "alcoholic", "smokers" pay tax for the privilege
they can't get treatment in hospitals full of unvaccinated covidiots ::)
nor can anyone else unfortunate enough to require medical treatment at the moment :(
Current vaccinations are not be solution to Covid ,but they are a tool to help keep it in control until we find a working solution .
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However, I don't see how not being vaccinated makes any difference to vaccinated people.
In the long run, hopefully it won't. In the short term however, not being vaccinated makes it much more likely you end up in Hospital, ICU, or dead. That does directly affect vaccinated people, because they have to pay for your care, and it also deprives the vaccinated of a bed they may need for heart or stroke treatment.
Keir mancervix Starmer has caught the lurgy again despite being triple jabbed, and may well have been infected by somebody else who is double or triple jabbed.
Agreed, but AFAIK he hasn't ended up in hospital costing you and me money - presumably because he's triple jabbed and recovered.
My point, in general, is that I want government influence on my life to be as small as possible. If we get to the point where everyone is forced to be vaccinated against their will then it all becomes 1984 and Room 101.
The UK has had mandatory vaccinations in the past for Small Pox(1853-1971). I understand the slippery slope argument, but the truth is no two people have the same opinions on everything, so something that is acceptable to you may not be acceptable to me and vice verca). The basic tenet of society is that if you want to live in that society, then you need to abide by the rules of that society. If you no longer agree with those rules you can campaign to change them, or bu99er off to somewhere where their rules are more acceptable to you. However, ignoring the rules probably won't be tolerated for very long.
For all his numerous faults Bunter is pretty much a libertarian and I doubt he would be willing to go down the mandated route. We'll see because he also seems to be 'highly suggestable' and easily led....so who knows for sure.
Starmer certainly would. As a socialist I imagine he likes big government and all the control that goes with it.
As you say we have the right to agree to disagree. :y
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I can see the logic but......
One of the biggest drains on the NHS is treatment of obese people (to be kind and PC) I will refer to them as fat bastards. :y
Illness related to smoking is huge as is the cost to the NHS.
It can be argued these are all self inflicted......as opposed to being hit by a bus.
Now if TB culled all of these first. ::) ::) ::) 8) ;)
the "FAT " , "alcoholic", "smokers" pay tax for the privilege
they can't get treatment in hospitals full of unvaccinated covidiots ::)
nor can anyone else unfortunate enough to require medical treatment at the moment :(
Current vaccinations are not be solution to Covid ,but they are a tool to help keep it in control until we find a working solution .
So do the unvaccinated. :D
Boris will need permission of 'woke Carrie' before he decides what to do. :)
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I can see the logic but......
One of the biggest drains on the NHS is treatment of obese people (to be kind and PC) I will refer to them as fat bastards. :y
Illness related to smoking is huge as is the cost to the NHS.
It can be argued these are all self inflicted......as opposed to being hit by a bus.
Now if TB culled all of these first. ::) ::) ::) 8) ;)
the "FAT " , "alcoholic", "smokers" pay tax for the privilege
they can't get treatment in hospitals full of unvaccinated covidiots ::)
nor can anyone else unfortunate enough to require medical treatment at the moment :(
Current vaccinations are not be solution to Covid ,but they are a tool to help keep it in control until we find a working solution .
So do the unvaccinated. :D
Boris will need permission of 'woke Carrie' before he decides what to do. :)
Everyone pays tax in one form or another agreed BUT ....
The TAX from cake sales for fat people ,fags for smokers and special brew for alcoholics is being used to treat Covidiots
Leaving fat, smoking winos with no medical treatment ::)
I may have simplified it ,but hopefully to highlight the point I was making :P
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Best get another mattress in, just to be safe... ::)
Unless you're a fat smoking whino... In which case you may have a vested interest :-X
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Best get another mattress in, just to be safe... ::)
I have a brand new spare in stock :y
Unless you're a fat smoking whino... In which case you may have a vested interest :-X
I've paid VAT on cake, fags and booze ,so yes ::)
Fortunately I don't need medical treatment myself ATM
My last personal trip to a doctors was for paid for by me, Yellow fever, Hep B etc vaccinations 15+ years ago :)
so I'm not really a drain on NHS resources
I have a first aid kit with plasters in ::)
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Best get another mattress in, just to be safe... ::)
I have a brand new spare in stock :y
Unless you're a fat smoking whino... In which case you may have a vested interest :-X
I've paid VAT on cake, fags and booze ,so yes ::)
Fortunately I don't need medical treatment myself ATM
My last personal trip to a doctors was for paid for by me, Yellow fever, Hep B etc vaccinations 15+ years ago :)
so I'm not really a drain on NHS resources
I have a first aid kit with plasters in ::)
I think we just have a bottle of TCP. Pretty sure that can cure anything. :) ;)
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I think we just have a bottle of TCP. Pretty sure that can cure anything. :) ;)
a decent antiseptic :)
won't stop you getting run over by the Covid bus though :D
you could throw the bottle at the bus screen to obscure the driver's view and then jump out the way :-\
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I think we just have a bottle of TCP. Pretty sure that can cure anything. :) ;)
a decent antiseptic :)
won't stop you getting run over by the Covid bus though :D
you could throw the bottle at the bus screen to obscure the driver's view and then jump out the way :-\
Or drink it...
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I think we just have a bottle of TCP. Pretty sure that can cure anything. :) ;)
a decent antiseptic :)
won't stop you getting run over by the Covid bus though :D
you could throw the bottle at the bus screen to obscure the driver's view and then jump out the way :-\
Or drink it...
it's poisonous ::)
so the Covid bus would have a better chance if you "drink it" :P
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Didn't someone suggest injecting disinfectant to cure Covid? ??? :)
I wonder what's better Dettol or TCP? :-\ :D
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Didn't someone suggest injecting disinfectant to cure Covid? ??? :)
I wonder what's better Dettol or TCP? :-\ :D
Yes, your mate Donald ;D
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Didn't someone suggest injecting disinfectant to cure Covid? ??? :)
I wonder what's better Dettol or TCP? :-\ :D
Yes, Al's mate Donald ;D
Fixed that for you Uncle STEMO! :)
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Didn't someone suggest injecting disinfectant to cure Covid? ??? :)
I wonder what's better Dettol or TCP? :-\ :D
Yes, Al's mate Donald ;D
Fixed that for you Uncle STEMO! :)
I believe you were quite fond of him last year :-*
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Didn't someone suggest injecting disinfectant to cure Covid? ??? :)
I wonder what's better Dettol or TCP? :-\ :D
Yes, Al's mate Donald ;D
Fixed that for you Uncle STEMO! :)
I believe you were quite fond of him last year :-*
I wouldn't go that far. I thought he was OK in parts, but thought the Trump haters were completely deranged TBH. ::)
Basically I never thought he'd do anything that affected my life, and if the American's wanted him as their President, well that was a matter for them. :)
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Didn't someone suggest injecting disinfectant to cure Covid? ??? :)
I wonder what's better Dettol or TCP? :-\ :D
Yes, Al's mate Donald ;D
Fixed that for you Uncle STEMO! :)
I believe you were quite fond of him last year :-*
I wouldn't go that far. I thought he was OK in parts, but thought the Trump haters were completely deranged TBH. ::)
Basically I never thought he'd do anything that affected my life, and if the American's wanted him as their President, well that was a matter for them. :)
No, no, no. This is how it works. You either love or hate people. Not all people, just people in politics, on the telly, in the news...you know.
You thought he was 'OK'=you loved him. Got it?
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I hate him ;D
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I hate him ;D
I'm not a fan either now Builders lost all that "wall building work" :(
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I hate him ;D
Yeh but you're fickin' deranged! ::) Get it? :P ;D
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I hate him ;D
Yeh but you're fickin' deranged! ::) Get it? :P ;D
What else is new? ;D
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https://youtu.be/fA-fvyGw-cc :-X
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(https://i.postimg.cc/mZ8Xz097/covid-witchcraft.jpg)
:)
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Apparently Citigroup have told their employees that they will terminate their employment of they dont have the jab.
I would imagine they will be on thin ice from a legal standpoint if they do.
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Presumably their extremely expensive lawyers will have looked at what the NHS has done re. Termination of carers' employment for not having the jab and figured they can do the same.
Be interesting to see how it plays out
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This will put the fox in the hen house... And really annoy DTB, mattress or no (https://youtu.be/hOlEYcd1nyI)
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That is gold! :y
It was very unfair of Javid to put junior nurses on the spot like that in front of the cameras, and the consultant piping up was clearly unexpected! ;D
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This will put the fox in the hen house... And really annoy DTB, mattress or no (https://youtu.be/hOlEYcd1nyI)
Sorry to disappoint you DG but that clip doesn't "annoy" me in the slightest ;D
I've said many times that the current Vaccines are only a tool in the fight to keep hospitalisations down etc
Wearing masks in shops and public places is also a tool in the fight ,along with social distancing
feel free to read through and quote ALL my previous posts about Covid 19 ;)
I don't own shares in Covid 19 ,
I wish it hadn't happened ,
I hope there will be a cure and things can get back to normal soon.
Take the piss out of my cautious approach all you like ;D
I'm not on my own ,thankfully many sensible people adapt a cautious approach too :)
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This will put the fox in the hen house... And really annoy DTB, mattress or no (https://youtu.be/hOlEYcd1nyI)
Sorry to disappoint you DG but that clip doesn't "annoy" me in the slightest ;D
I've said many times that the current Vaccines are only a tool in the fight to keep hospitalisations down etc
Wearing masks in shops and public places is also a tool in the fight ,along with social distancing
feel free to read through and quote ALL my previous posts about Covid 19 ;)
I don't own shares in Covid 19 ,
I wish it hadn't happened ,
I hope there will be a cure and things can get back to normal soon.
Take the piss out of my cautious approach all you like ;D
I'm not on my own ,thankfully many sensible people adapt a cautious approach too :)
:y :y :y
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This will put the fox in the hen house... And really annoy DTB, mattress or no (https://youtu.be/hOlEYcd1nyI)
It is utter insanity that the government is willing to sacrifice good people working in the NHS if they don't comply.
Also, because the vaccy has such a short life it must be time for jab 4 to keep people safe.....and jab 5 a month after that.
Morph looks a little awkward with the conversation. :D
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This will put the fox in the hen house... And really annoy DTB, mattress or no (https://youtu.be/hOlEYcd1nyI)
Sorry to disappoint you DG but that clip doesn't "annoy" me in the slightest ;D
I've said many times that the current Vaccines are only a tool in the fight to keep hospitalisations down etc
Wearing masks in shops and public places is also a tool in the fight ,along with social distancing
feel free to read through and quote ALL my previous posts about Covid 19 ;)
I don't own shares in Covid 19 ,
I wish it hadn't happened ,
I hope there will be a cure and things can get back to normal soon.
Take the piss out of my cautious approach all you like ;D
I'm not on my own ,thankfully many sensible people adapt a cautious approach too :)
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Agree 100 percent.👍
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When I first suggested that those in the care system weren't always as keen to be vaccinated as you might like to believe, the notion was pooh poohed.
Yet, now vaccines are merely a tool and it apparently doesn't matter ???
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This will put the fox in the hen house... And really annoy DTB, mattress or no (https://youtu.be/hOlEYcd1nyI)
It is utter insanity that the government is willing to sacrifice good people working in the NHS if they don't comply.
Also, because the vaccy has such a short life it must be time for jab 4 to keep people safe.....and jab 5 a month after that.
Morph looks a little awkward with the conversation. :D
Agreed.
If the vaccines made you immune to Covid, I could see the rational behind the policy of sacking people in healthcare who don't want to have the vaccine, but they don't so the policy is madness! ::)
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When I first suggested that those in the care system weren't always as keen to be vaccinated as you might like to believe, the notion was pooh poohed.
???
Firstly ....
who implied "those in the care system " where "keen"
OR
not keen to be Vaccinated ?
and
"as you might like to believe"
who's the "You" in this ?
Yet, now vaccines are merely a tool and it apparently doesn't matter ???
???
who said "Vaccines don't matter" ?
I said Vaccines are a tool
a hammer is a tool but you can't rebuild an engine with a hammer alone ::)
you need gaffer tape and cable ties too :D
I said "feel free to read through and quote ALL my previous posts about Covid 19 "
I didn't say miss-quote some random stuff from your poor recollection of what I actually said ::)
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When I first suggested that those in the care system weren't always as keen to be vaccinated as you might like to believe, the notion was pooh poohed.
???
Firstly ....
who implied "those in the care system " where "keen"
OR
not keen to be Vaccinated ?
and
"as you might like to believe"
who's the "You" in this ?
Yet, now vaccines are merely a tool and it apparently doesn't matter ???
???
who said "Vaccines don't matter" ?
I said Vaccines are a tool
a hammer is a tool but you can't rebuild an engine with a hammer alone ::)
you need gaffer tape and cable ties too :D
I said "feel free to read through and quote ALL my previous posts about Covid 19 "
I didn't say miss-quote some random stuff from your poor recollection of what I actually said ::)
That happens all the time Dave ;D ;D ;D ;)
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I didn't say miss-quote some random stuff from your poor recollection of what I actually said ::)
That happens all the time Dave ;D ;D ;D ;)
Surely not :o
Everyone's previous posts on this forum are easily viewable :)
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I didn't say miss-quote some random stuff from your poor recollection of what I actually said ::)
That happens all the time Dave ;D ;D ;D ;)
Surely not :o
Everyone's previous posts on this forum are easily viewable :)
Really? :o Oh shit! ;D
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When I first suggested that those in the care system weren't always as keen to be vaccinated as you might like to believe, the notion was pooh poohed.
???
Firstly ....
who implied "those in the care system " where "keen"
OR
not keen to be Vaccinated ?
and
"as you might like to believe"
who's the "You" in this ?
Yet, now vaccines are merely a tool and it apparently doesn't matter ???
???
who said "Vaccines don't matter" ?
I said Vaccines are a tool
a hammer is a tool but you can't rebuild an engine with a hammer alone ::)
you need gaffer tape and cable ties too :D
I said "feel free to read through and quote ALL my previous posts about Covid 19 "
I didn't say miss-quote some random stuff from your poor recollection of what I actually said ::)
Brain fog? Long covid? ::)
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Brain fog?
unlikely :P
Long covid? ::)
He's only about 10 days in to "Flu" IIRC
for "long Covid" the symptoms last more than 12 weeks after a Covid 19 infection which cannot be explained by other causes.
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Looks like there have been massive protests in Paris today after comments by Macron that he intended to 'piss off' the unvaccinated and that the unvaccinated are not citizens of France. ::)
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Looks like there have been massive protests in Paris today after comments by Macron that he intended to 'piss off' the unvaccinated and that the unvaccinated are not citizens of France. ::)
He wears built up shoes to make himself look taller.
He is a proper shortarse and his wife is about 150 years old. :)
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Looks like there have been massive protests in Paris today after comments by Macron that he intended to 'piss off' the unvaccinated and that the unvaccinated are not citizens of France. ::)
He wears built up shoes to make himself look taller.
He is a proper shortarse and his wife is about 150 years old. :)
A common trait of French leaders I believe? Napoleon, Sarkozy ...... ::) ;D
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Looks like there have been massive protests in Paris today after comments by Macron that he intended to 'piss off' the unvaccinated and that the unvaccinated are not citizens of France. ::)
Well that is usual for the French to protest very noisily, and with physical presence. They can make our Colston statue protests look like a Sunday afternoon tea party! ::) ;D ;D
If you require a revolution, speak to the French. I love them! Viva la France 1789 8) ;D ;)
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Apparently Citigroup have told their employees that they will terminate their employment of they dont have the jab.
I would imagine they will be on thin ice from a legal standpoint if they do.
Pretty much all of the American tech giants are doing the same thing in their home country. In their European subsidiaries, to be more compliant with local EU laws, they are wording it a bit different, along the lines of "you must not come into our buildings without being fully vaccinated", followed by a "you need to come in to the office by XYZ date, else your contract will be terminated".
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It is utter insanity that the government is willing to sacrifice good people working in the NHS if they don't comply.
And how is that different to our "utter insanity" to sacrifice future good people coming easily into the UK from Europe to work in the NHS?
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The number of people who are employed in the "desperately under staffed and under funded" NHS is around 1.85 million. Up from approx. 1.4 million 15 or so years ago.
I doubt we have a shortage of "good" people - current or future. :)
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Ah Brexit ........I'd forgotten all about that . ;D
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It is utter insanity that the government is willing to sacrifice good people working in the NHS if they don't comply.
And how is that different to our "utter insanity" to sacrifice future good people coming easily into the UK from Europe to work in the NHS?
Ah well now you're moving on to the utter insanity of NHS recruitment policy, where they refuse to invest in training and encouraging our own youngsters, preferring to steal ready trained staff from overseas countries who do invest in their youngsters despite being poorer than the UK. ::)
There's no shortage of youngsters wanting to work in the NHS either. Medicine degrees are usually well oversubscribed at the Universities that offer them, and thousands are locked out of nursing careers because having a degree in nursing has become a necessity. :(
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Would it be inappropriate to suggest that those very educational establishments earn a significant amount of government subsidies from foreign medical students?
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Well here i am , 3 jabs and just tested positive , funny thing is that I actually feel Ok , just a bit of a sniffle , BUT i work with people who have frail elderly parents , do I say sod them and carry on or be socially responsible ?
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Having tested positive you are legally obliged to self isolated for 10 days.
There are exceptions to the ten days, but not the isolation.
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Well here i am , 3 jabs and just tested positive , funny thing is that I actually feel Ok , just a bit of a sniffle , BUT i work with people who have frail elderly parents , do I say sod them and carry on or be socially responsible ?
Will you get paid?....
Many people are 'off well' rather than 'off sick' following a positive test.
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Well here i am , 3 jabs and just tested positive , funny thing is that I actually feel Ok , just a bit of a sniffle , BUT i work with people who have frail elderly parents , do I say sod them and carry on or be socially responsible ?
Will you get paid?....
Many people are 'off well' rather than 'off sick' following a positive test.
SSP starts from Day 1 for TCV related offness