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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Sir Tigger KC on 18 August 2022, 23:06:53
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Apparently Britain is experiencing around 1000 excess deaths a week at the moment, many of which are thought to be caused by delays in treatment for things like cancer, heart disease, diabetes etc due to lockdowns and the National Health Service becoming the National Covid Service. ::)
Mark Steyn was talking about this on his GB News show recently, and The Telegraph has the story on it's front page tomorrow, but I wonder how many of the opposition politicians and big corporate media characters who constantly demanded that the government locked down sooner, harder and for longer, will now pivot and attack the government for the NHS neglecting people with serious non covid illnesses and conditions during the Covid period? ???
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/silent-crisis-of-soaring-excess-deaths-gripping-britain-is-only-tip-of-the-iceberg/ar-AA10OkMt?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c92fdfaa26934c4aaea4b0f15e83da93
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Apparently Britain is experiencing around 1000 excess deaths a week at the moment, many of which are thought to be caused by delays in treatment for things like cancer, heart disease, diabetes etc due to lockdowns and the National Health Service becoming the National Covid Service. ::)
Mark Steyn was talking about this on his GB News show recently, and The Telegraph has the story on it's front page tomorrow, but I wonder how many of the opposition politicians and big corporate media characters who constantly demanded that the government locked down sooner, harder and for longer, will now pivot and attack the government for the NHS neglecting people with serious non covid illnesses and conditions during the Covid period? ???
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/silent-crisis-of-soaring-excess-deaths-gripping-britain-is-only-tip-of-the-iceberg/ar-AA10OkMt?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c92fdfaa26934c4aaea4b0f15e83da93
A red herring .Its because the National Health Service has become the International Health Service.
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I quit the London Ambulance Service in 1989 because of the abuse of the service by the general public we were despatched to some of the most ridiculous calls ie period pain & toothache, this was an absolute waste of our time, I'm not surprised one bit of the chaotic state of the NHS in fact I'm surprised it's still in existence. However when the dispute was on in the eighties a Doctor was in the control room to assess calls to see if it warranted a front line vehicle & callouts were reduced by over 50 percent, unfortunately the whole system is now a complete shambles.
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Apparently Britain is experiencing around 1000 excess deaths a week at the moment, many of which are thought to be caused by delays in treatment for things like cancer, heart disease, diabetes etc due to lockdowns and the National Health Service becoming the National Covid Service. ::)
Mark Steyn was talking about this on his GB News show recently, and The Telegraph has the story on it's front page tomorrow, but I wonder how many of the opposition politicians and big corporate media characters who constantly demanded that the government locked down sooner, harder and for longer, will now pivot and attack the government for the NHS neglecting people with serious non covid illnesses and conditions during the Covid period? ???
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/silent-crisis-of-soaring-excess-deaths-gripping-britain-is-only-tip-of-the-iceberg/ar-AA10OkMt?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c92fdfaa26934c4aaea4b0f15e83da93
A red herring .Its because the National Health Service has become the International Health Service.
No I don't believe it is. They pretty much shut down the NHS during the lockdowns and even cancelled peoples cancer treatments which was disgraceful. >:(
It took me over month last year to get to see my GP, albeit for a minor issue, but how many serious conditions have been missed because people couldn't see a GP or waited for hours and hours in A&E and being very British didn't want to make a fuss.
The International Health Service that you refer to is a separate issue, but I think the lockdown chickens are coming home to roost. ::)
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Indeed don’t make a fuss about your impending death unless it’s a covid related one.
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Our family and friends experiences bears out the fact that the nhs shut down.
We still have folk waiting for treatment. They very cleverly manipulate the stats to make it look better than it is. My brother is still waiting for his cataract operation. It got delayed for this that and the other reason at Scarborough. Then he had the op cancelled on the day at least once due to staffing issues. Then he got on the table only for the surgeon to say “ Ican’t operate on this. Too complicated. Needs to be done at York by a better team! So he is now on the list at York ( no doubt the bottom) .All along at no stage will he appear on any stats waiting over two years.
The coming death toll from lack of treatment or reluctance to be diagnosed ( most ordinary people had the fear of god instilled in them by Hancocks daily diatribes) will be greater than the deaths actually attributable to Covid. The excess deaths figures will be interesting .
The Spanish health service suffered the same sort of issues but recovered far quicker than the nhs. Eg we got face to face doctor apps much earlier than the uk. My OH made an appointment a couple of days ago for a face to face. Could have had today but in a village further away so chose Monday local..
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Mark Steyn seemed to suggest that the excess death rate is higher amongst the 'multi-jabbed' True or not?. I don't know if we will ever know the answer.
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Is that per capita i.e. adjusted for there being more jabbed than unjabbed?
It could be that the bulk of the no jabs group have good natural immunity.
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Is that per capita i.e. adjusted for there being more jabbed than unjabbed?
It could be that the bulk of the no jabs group have good natural immunity.
Not sure. We all know there is such a thing as lies, damned lies, and statistics though. It does seem the more jabbed you are the less natural immunity you retain though. Perhaps this may be related to excess deaths.
As I say....I doubt we'll ever know for sure.
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I was listening to the shrill Vanessa Feltz on Jeremy Vine's R2 show at lunchtime today and she was trying to whip up some outrage about Boris having another holiday. ::)
Anyway, some knob phoned in and blamed Boris for everything! ;D Amongst other things, he blamed him for not locking down early enough at the start, he blamed him for relaxing Covid regs as people are apparently still dying from Covid, he blamed him for inflation, conveniently ignoring that lockdown is a major cause of inflation and blamed him for the current excess deaths because the NHS isn't functioning..... because of lockdown. :-X
I'm really interested to see how the lockdown fanatics will try to spin these excess deaths possibly caused by lockdowns. :)
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Don't forget Brexit and the Donald. ;D
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Its all a conspiracy to cancel out the forthcoming pension crisis. ::)
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Our family and friends experiences bears out the fact that the nhs shut down.
We still have folk waiting for treatment. They very cleverly manipulate the stats to make it look better than it is. My brother is still waiting for his cataract operation. It got delayed for this that and the other reason at Scarborough. Then he had the op cancelled on the day at least once due to staffing issues. Then he got on the table only for the surgeon to say “ Ican’t operate on this. Too complicated. Needs to be done at York by a better team! So he is now on the list at York ( no doubt the bottom) .All along at no stage will he appear on any stats waiting over two years.
The coming death toll from lack of treatment or reluctance to be diagnosed ( most ordinary people had the fear of god instilled in them by Hancocks daily diatribes) will be greater than the deaths actually attributable to Covid. The excess deaths figures will be interesting .
The Spanish health service suffered the same sort of issues but recovered far quicker than the nhs. Eg we got face to face doctor apps much earlier than the uk. My OH made an appointment a couple of days ago for a face to face. Could have had today but in a village further away so chose Monday local..
my wife is awaiting a procedure at York & she needed to see a consultant but instead of seeing one she had a phone appointment. a week or so ago because of the pain she was in & seeing her G.P again she again was referred to a consultant but alas again another telephone appointment has been arranged, so much for the cancer advert that tell you if you have a cough for 3 weeks or so go to see your G.P could be cancer.
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And I bet you’ve paid NI all your life. If you get here on an illegal boat other ways too, you’ll get the best of health care and be put up in a nice hotel at the taxpayers expense. It will be TB and polio for us next as these illegals are fetching it over and staring it off again. I’m up for genuine causes but these boats are full of young men who have mostly nothing to fear from where they came from Albanians seems to be the most at the moment. Our NHS is being overwhelmed by these people, over twenty thousand already this year FFS.
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And I bet you’ve paid NI all your life. If you get here on an illegal boat other ways too, you’ll get the best of health care and be put up in a nice hotel at the taxpayers expense. It will be TB and polio for us next as these illegals are fetching it over and staring it off again. I’m up for genuine causes but these boats are full of young men who have mostly nothing to fear from where they came from Albanians seems to be the most at the moment. Our NHS is being overwhelmed by these people, over twenty thousand already this year FFS.
Polio I can cope with, but TB? I've had my fill of him :o
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AhH… but it’s a new strain TB :y
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AhH… but it’s a new strain TB :y
What? He's mutated? ;D
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AhH… but it’s a new strain TB :y
Called consumption back in the day, I think. :)
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Yes my mil had it
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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/05/220531143051.htm
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And I bet you’ve paid NI all your life. If you get here on an illegal boat other ways too, you’ll get the best of health care and be put up in a nice hotel at the taxpayers expense. It will be TB and polio for us next as these illegals are fetching it over and staring it off again. I’m up for genuine causes but these boats are full of young men who have mostly nothing to fear from where they came from Albanians seems to be the most at the moment. Our NHS is being overwhelmed by these people, over twenty thousand already this year FFS.
my wife did pub work & cleaned the premises her hours was 6,30am -10am cleaning bar area. public bar & the lounge. she would then have some breakfast, a shower then changed to serve any lunch time customers until 2pm . back to work doing bar work from 8pm - midnight officially but many a time it was 2am & later depended on customers staying behind. she was eventually retired by her G.P telling her she had to. but she was turned 70. so yes she more than paid into the system
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And yet she’s at the back of the queue☹️ It’s all wrong and getting worse.
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And I bet you’ve paid NI all your life. If you get here on an illegal boat other ways too, you’ll get the best of health care and be put up in a nice hotel at the taxpayers expense. It will be TB and polio for us next as these illegals are fetching it over and staring it off again. I’m up for genuine causes but these boats are full of young men who have mostly nothing to fear from where they came from Albanians seems to be the most at the moment. Our NHS is being overwhelmed by these people, over twenty thousand already this year FFS.
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There is a government site you can view all your NI Contributions
I actually totalled all mine up it came to £49,784. In the scheme of things not a fantastic amount, so around 4 more years of state pension & I'll be in profit ..😁
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But if you think about the amount of people that die before collecting their pension the government is raking in a fortune.
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I always understood that the money you contribute is used to pay state pensions of those already retired thus when you retire other working people pay yours.
You will only have to live for approx five years to break even .
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I think my contributions are being used wisely, paying hotel bills for these poor young Albanian lads who fled here with no possessions apart from their mobile phones, scrounging bastards.
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But if you think about the amount of people that die before collecting their pension the government is raking in a fortune.
Average life expectancy at birth is north of 80 now whilst State Pension starts at 68. So 12+ years at £185 p/w = £115440. Yes some die young, and some die older. But on average.
Even that average is low - you don't usually pay tax or NI before 18, so if you look at age expectancy for those that actually make it to 65, then the average is 18.5years (for men) and 21years for women.
In short, your comment is tosh.
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I always understood that the money you contribute is used to pay state pensions of those already retired thus when you retire other working people pay yours.
The money was never hypothecated (reserved to pay future costs). It is and always was just another tax that went into the treasury coffers.
What NI does do is build entitlement to things the state provides - like state pensions, "free" NHS services, unemployment benefit, lockdown payments etc. If the true cost of all these things were really covered by NI alone, your NI deduction would probably be 10 times higher than it is today.
And it's no use saying "I've paid in all my life etc.." Yes you may well have paid what you were supposed to, but unless you earn north of about £70K p/a on average throughout your working life then you are a net taker "scrounging" off those richer (and paying more tax) than you.
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But if you think about the amount of people that die before collecting their pension the government is raking in a fortune.
Average life expectancy at birth is north of 80 now whilst State Pension starts at 68. So 12+ years at £185 p/w = £115440. Yes some die young, and some die older. But on average.
Even that average is low - you don't usually pay tax or NI before 18, so if you look at age expectancy for those that actually make it to 65, then the average is 18.5years (for men) and 21years for women.
In short, your comment is tosh.
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And so are yours Mr financial expert 😂😂😂