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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: FRE07962128 on 11 September 2008, 07:04:02
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I am just one person in this country of 61 million souls, and of the 6 billion worldwide. I am nothing special, just an individual like everyone else who is struggling daily with the turmoil and strains of everyday life, trying always to make the best of a bad job.
However although I am a very small cog in this fantastically large machine of life, I believe that whilst I am in this plain of existance I have a duty to express my views and opinions on what I, as everyone else does I think, perceive is transpiring around me. I have been brought up to believe in this right, to defend it doggedly, questioning 'what is', whilst always respecting the view of others even if diametrically opposed to mine.
In the politics of life debate is very healthy if we want our lives, and more importantly those of our children / grandchildren to enjoy a high quality of mortal existance. Sometimes to achieve this you have to debate topics "against the flow", and place yourself in a position of maybe receiving disdain and ridicule because you are arguing a certain position.
On oof the vast majority of those who regulaly post, which in fact is numerically very tiny compared to the full membership of the Forum, do enter into the spirit of good healthy debate, using counter arguments that I personally may not always agree with, but always respect if promoted in a fashion that respects the feelings and rights of others.
As has been previously quoted on this site, Voltaire (1694 - 1778) is credited with stating "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" (but interestingly was actually first used by S.G. Tallentyre in 1759) Partington, A. editor. (1996) The Oxford Dictionary of Quotations: 4th Edition Oxford: Oxford University Press.
This is indeed my way so we all together in debate, and perhaps later action, can as small cogs can start to make a difference in this imperfect world of ours, or at least make us feel that we have a "voice" in our "free society".
Such was the case in a very lively debate over the last few days, which raised many counter arguments and aired many personal opinions from those that wished to post. This was very healthy initially, but then the very small minority who resort to personal insult when they oppose an argument, or fail to grasp the full implications of it, start to destroy the debate, with the end result that the Admins 'pull it'.
Suddenly, because I was defending an opinion (and that is all it is as I am human like the rest of you and far from being right all the time ::) ::) ::)) in what I considered to be a worthy debate, start to be accused of being on my "high horse", of being ill, with indeed being "mental", and "aggressive", urgently needing to "get a grip" by the very small majority. Many others were expressing very worthwhile intelligent counter arguments in a polite and dignified manner, but as usual this small minded band yet again start hurling derogatory comment because I dare to challenge what they see as a "joke", even after I explain how involved and knowlegable I am in the subject matter.
As stated before, I respect counter argument and, as in this case, much of it I actually accept and take on board. But when insults are thrown, against the rules of this Forum, I do wonder why I should bother to comment on anything on the Forum, or even continue my membership of it.
This I sure has been the case of a number of "newbies" I have seen depart, even within a few hours of joining, in my short time on the OOF, and maybe a 'consideration' made by the aforementioned vast majority of members who are still classed as "newbies" due to not risking posting their observations, opinions, recommendations and advise as should be possible in any healthy democracy for fear of ridicule and insult.
Sorry to disappoint those who would like to see this strong minded, educated and life experienced muture woman, stop expressing her opinions and observations, along with political statements, and leave the OOF, I am NOT going to! I will not be bullied, as I have never allowed myself to be, by a tiny majority, as I will reserve my right to put forth such topics, arguments and the like if I believe it can constructively assist public debate in this world (and this Forum is worldwide!).
What I do not expect is to be insulted in destructrive debate by the small minded minority who find it so difficult to grasp a reasoned viewpoint without resorting to such tactics. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( Strongly argue by all means, and that is great :y :y, but do not insult me as you may receive it back, which actually I try not to do, lowering myself to your level, and deeply regret afterwards! >:(
To the vast majority of OOF members I say a big thank you for making my few months of membership so welcoming and providing much interesting debating material, along with the accompanying debate, that certainly has made me appreciate a few more different aspects of life. :y :y :y :y :y :y
Lizzie
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I am just one person in this country of 61 million souls, and of the 6 billion worldwide. I am nothing special, just an individual like everyone else who is struggling daily with the turmoil and strains of everyday life, trying always to make the best of a bad job.
However although I am a very small cog in this fantastically large machine of life, I believe that whilst I am in this plain of existance I have a duty to express my views and opinions on what I, as everyone else does I think, perceive is transpiring around me. I have been brought up to believe in this right, to defend it doggedly, questioning 'what is', whilst always respecting the view of others even if diametrically opposed to mine.
In the politics of life debate is very healthy if we want our lives, and more importantly those of our children / grandchildren to enjoy a high quality of mortal existance. Sometimes to achieve this you have to debate topics "against the flow", and place yourself in a position of maybe receiving disdain and ridicule because you are arguing a certain position.
On oof the vast majority of those who regulaly post, which in fact is numerically very tiny compared to the full membership of the Forum, do enter into the spirit of good healthy debate, using counter arguments that I personally may not always agree with, but always respect if promoted in a fashion that respects the feelings and rights of others.
As has been previously quoted on this site, Voltaire (1694 - 1778) is credited with stating "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" (but interestingly was actually first used by S.G. Tallentyre in 1759) Partington, A. editor. (1996) The Oxford Dictionary of Quotations: 4th Edition Oxford: Oxford University Press.
This is indeed my way so we all together in debate, and perhaps later action, can as small cogs can start to make a difference in this imperfect world of ours, or at least make us feel that we have a "voice" in our "free society".
Such was the case in a very lively debate over the last few days, which raised many counter arguments and aired many personal opinions from those that wished to post. This was very healthy initially, but then the very small minority who resort to personal insult when they oppose an argument, or fail to grasp the full implications of it, start to destroy the debate, with the end result that the Admins 'pull it'.
Suddenly, because I was defending an opinion (and that is all it is as I am human like the rest of you and far from being right all the time ::) ::) ::)) in what I considered to be a worthy debate, start to be accused of being on my "high horse", of being ill, with indeed being "mental", and "aggressive", urgently needing to "get a grip" by the very small majority. Many others were expressing very worthwhile intelligent counter arguments in a polite and dignified manner, but as usual this small minded band yet again start hurling derogatory comment because I dare to challenge what they see as a "joke", even after I explain how involved and knowlegable I am in the subject matter.
As stated before, I respect counter argument and, as in this case, much of it I actually accept and take on board. But when insults are thrown, against the rules of this Forum, I do wonder why I should bother to comment on anything on the Forum, or even continue my membership of it.
This I sure has been the case of a number of "newbies" I have seen depart, even within a few hours of joining, in my short time on the OOF, and maybe a 'consideration' made by the aforementioned vast majority of members who are still classed as "newbies" due to not risking posting their observations, opinions, recommendations and advise as should be possible in any healthy democracy for fear of ridicule and insult.
Sorry to disappoint those who would like to see this strong minded, educated and life experienced muture woman, stop expressing her opinions and observations, along with political statements, and leave the OOF, I am NOT going to! I will not be bullied, as I have never allowed myself to be, by a tiny majority, as I will reserve my right to put forth such topics, arguments and the like if I believe it can constructively assist public debate in this world (and this Forum is worldwide!).
What I do not expect is to be insulted in destructrive debate by the small minded minority who find it so difficult to grasp a reasoned viewpoint without resorting to such tactics. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( Strongly argue by all means, and that is great :y :y, but do not insult me as you may receive it back, which actually I try not to do, lowering myself to your level, and deeply regret afterwards! >:(
To the vast majority of OOF members I say a big thank you for making my few months of membership so welcoming and providing much interesting debating material, along with the accompanying debate, that certainly has made me appreciate a few more different aspects of life. :y :y :y :y :y :y
Lizzie
LIzzie, I won't go into the nitty gritty of all said above, as I am unaware of the full story ( haven't read the whole offending thread yet). But, bottom line ....... Don't leave us !! Your highlighted comments above point that way :-[
We can all be stubborn souls at times, as well as a little thoughtless. But we are all, afterall, human. I am sure I speak for all of us here ( even the vociferous ones) .... we love having you on our forum.
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Lizzie... I'm not aware of the offending thread at the moment, and if I have ever made comments that have been inappropriate in the aforementioned post then I truly apologise!! I don't think I have but just in case...
Please don't go... You are a valuable asset to the OOF and have some truly fantastic (and sometimes slightly bizarre ;) :D) knowledge which never ceases to amaze me :y :y
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lizzie, there will always be people ready to wind others up (and im usually the worst to react) but dont let them get to you, no doubt if you actually pm them and debate them direct im sure you would have got a different response !
stay on and it will save you walking the streets at night or hanging around at corners becoming a "chav" !!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D
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I didn't see the thread in question so I can't comment much in this case. But looking at the bigger picture, I do agree with what Lizzie says.
People are very, very quick to jump on somone if they do something "wrong" and once a couple of people respond in this manner, it becomes (by human nature) a bit of a pile-on. Not saying constructive debate or differences of opinions are not good - they are. But when it retorts to name calling, and in some cases sarcastic comments, it is downright out of order.
I personally need to stop biting to comments that (often rightly) wind me up - because I am naturally quite defensive, and it's something I am self aware of and work on. People are very quick to pick up on such points and use them against you - to the extent that people who you have only properly conversed with online, are telling you they think you won't be able to perform your own job! This is especially bad when they have little or no knowlede of you as a person, or your life history, or qualifications.
There are loads of websites out there for disussing "general" things, so I don't need to be here for that. I am here because I like
A) The amount of decent friends I've met
B) Sharing technical knowledge and skills
Both as important as each other to me, really. But same applies to me as it has to Lizzie:
I will happily accept constructive critisism, and will accept that opinions may not always be the same as mine and will take this on the chin.
What I will not accept, is when this is conveyed (by a small minority) of people, in a rude, sarcastic way - because all this is doing is having a bash, which regardless of guidelines, isn't in the spirit of why we are here.
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This was very healthy initially, but then the very small minority who resort to personal insult when they oppose an argument, or fail to grasp the full implications of it, start to destroy the debate, with the end result that the Admins 'pull it'.
What I will not accept, is when this is conveyed (by a small minority) of people, in a rude, sarcastic way
Please remember .. these are YOUR INTERPRETATIONS of these peoples posts... they might think they are being humorous, cynical, witty, etc etc. and they have every right to post in such a manner.
The problem with T'internet chat is the lack of "expression" or "eye contact" which in normal conversation gives added emphasis to the spoken word. Thus we all "interpret" the written word in our own way.
If we react to someone else's post that is not "written" in a way we like .. its 99.9% certain that the writer will not like our ripost and the slanging match erupts.
We all read, write, interpret and respond in differing fashion. We also are architects of our own downfall, in as much that we will ALL take the p!ss in an obviously humerous thread, but then expect exactly the same written words to be interpreted differently when we decide to be "serious". This is where the lack of expression plays such a big part. OK .. smilies etc can help ... especially to emphasise humour .. but there are no smilies to emphasise "seriousness".
At the end of the day, IMHO, the best reaction is no reaction. If you don't like what is written, or how you interpret a response, then don't answer it. The world will continue to turn regardless, and you will suffer far less stress.
As a few last thoughts ... and this is from past moderating experience in non-car related chat rooms ....
There are some folks who relish winding others up deliberately - just to get the reactions mentioned.
There are some folks who strongly believe that chat rooms are not the place for long winded heavy discussions - and will always try and divert the subject somehow .. even anyhow at times.
There are some subjects which have very strong, personal links for some folks - they will react - the OP has no way of knowing this will happen - we have no idea of the personal circumstances of most members.
At the end of the day .. it's supposed to be a fun, enjoyable, pastime. lets just all "Live and Let Live"
Just my opinions .. nothing else .. :)
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Heres some solution to express your states
serious [serious] [\serious]
fight [fight] [\fight]
relax [relax] [\relax]
etc etc... ;D :y
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well said entwood ! :y
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This was very healthy initially, but then the very small minority who resort to personal insult when they oppose an argument, or fail to grasp the full implications of it, start to destroy the debate, with the end result that the Admins 'pull it'.
What I will not accept, is when this is conveyed (by a small minority) of people, in a rude, sarcastic way
Please remember .. these are YOUR INTERPRETATIONS of these peoples posts... they might think they are being humorous, cynical, witty, etc etc. and they have every right to post in such a manner.
The problem with T'internet chat is the lack of "expression" or "eye contact" which in normal conversation gives added emphasis to the spoken word. Thus we all "interpret" the written word in our own way.
If we react to someone else's post that is not "written" in a way we like .. its 99.9% certain that the writer will not like our ripost and the slanging match erupts.
We all read, write, interpret and respond in differing fashion. We also are architects of our own downfall, in as much that we will ALL take the p!ss in an obviously humerous thread, but then expect exactly the same written words to be interpreted differently when we decide to be "serious". This is where the lack of expression plays such a big part. OK .. smilies etc can help ... especially to emphasise humour .. but there are no smilies to emphasise "seriousness".
At the end of the day, IMHO, the best reaction is no reaction. If you don't like what is written, or how you interpret a response, then don't answer it. The world will continue to turn regardless, and you will suffer far less stress.
As a few last thoughts ... and this is from past moderating experience in non-car related chat rooms ....
There are some folks who relish winding others up deliberately - just to get the reactions mentioned.
There are some folks who strongly believe that chat rooms are not the place for long winded heavy discussions - and will always try and divert the subject somehow .. even anyhow at times.
There are some subjects which have very strong, personal links for some folks - they will react - the OP has no way of knowing this will happen - we have no idea of the personal circumstances of most members.
At the end of the day .. it's supposed to be a fun, enjoyable, pastime. lets just all "Live and Let Live"
Just my opinions .. nothing else .. :)
Very valid points there Nige - perception accounts for a heck of a lot, in online communities.
Your point that people have a right to post in a sarcastic manner is again largly a perception thing, and yes if there is no intent to insult then I agree people can post how they wish - providing it's not clearly offensive.
Anyway - onwards and upwards :y
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Wonderfull proof here of EXACTLY what I was trying to say .... :) :) if I interpret his response correctly ...... (big IF) ..
from me
they might think they are being humorous, cynical, witty, etc etc. and they have every right to post in such a manner.
from James
Your point that people have a right to post in a sarcastic manner is again largly a perception thing,...
I was trying to say that "they think ....... they have the right"
James has interpreted it as "I (Entwood) think they have the right"
subtley different .. down to interpretation... do I now react and tell James he's putting words in my mouth and I never said that etc etc a start a slanging match that has nowt to do with the thread ?? or do I say to myself .. "dammit ... didn't express that too well ... must put up another post and explain it better" .. or do I say "sod it" and let it pass ....
Thank you James for .. unwittingly no doubt ... helping me get the point across better .. :)
but then again .. did you mean what I think you mean ....... :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/
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Wonderfull proof here of EXACTLY what I was trying to say .... :) :) if I interpret his response correctly ...... (big IF) ..
from me
they might think they are being humorous, cynical, witty, etc etc. and they have every right to post in such a manner.
from James
Your point that people have a right to post in a sarcastic manner is again largly a perception thing,...
I was trying to say that "they think ....... they have the right"
James has interpreted it as "I (Entwood) think they have the right"
subtley different .. down to interpretation... do I now react and tell James he's putting words in my mouth and I never said that etc etc a start a slanging match that has nowt to do with the thread ?? or do I say to myself .. "dammit ... didn't express that too well ... must put up another post and explain it better" .. or do I say "sod it" and let it pass ....
Thank you James for .. unwittingly no doubt ... helping me get the point across better .. :)
but then again .. did you mean what I think you mean ....... :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/
I'm confused already - pub, anyone? ;D
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Thanks for ALL your supportive and/or constructive counter points made in response to my thread. :y
Yes, I will admit once I feel passionate about something I need to discuss it in the open to establish really what the situation is and my true understanding of it, which puts some people on guard as I have been told to my face that I have a "very strong presence" and are forceful in my arguments, although (I hope! ::) ::) ::)) never too insulting! :D :D ;)
Therefore when I am feeling so passionate I may well commit the sin of perceiving in something that is being said to me to be a negative comment aimed at me personally, so Entwood you are dead right mate in your thoughts on this one!! :y :y ;) ;)
Anyway I am not going to go on and on with this one and upset even the majority of you who I deeply respect!! ;) ;) I just want to say thanks for your advice and guidance on this and on many other occasions (including of course car matters!) which I highly value, which DOES also make remaining a member of the OOF worthwhile; you are a great bunch!! (I am starting to cry now with emotion, but that is me as well! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(.
Thanks all, Holy Count, Cem, SirMoanalot, Lazydocker, Entwood and James and please try to keep me on the straight and narrow!!:y :y :y Yes James owards and upwards for us all eh?! :y :y :y :y
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Having spent the last week watching, reading and promising myself that i would stay out of things I feel that i need to comment on this thread!
Lizzie- You come accross as being self righteous and hard done to! Yet in last nights deleted thread you resorted to throwing insults over something that i said 2 weeks ago. this was in response to something that jimbob said! Indeed i was not even online, so why drag me into it? How dare you? Then claim to be so upset by it all!
We are married, yes, but two very different people with our own views and opinions, interesting we hold similar opinions of you isn't it?
You are the very reason that i chose to walk away. You may not like being bullied but you do a good job of bullying!
A friend commented on my lack of posting and asked 'She isn't staying away, why are you?'
Your holier than though attitude sucks! You are not the only one to have been there, done that, you know!
Admin I apologise for the upset this will cause, but felt she needed telling!
To coin a now well used phrase 'GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE' and come into the real world!
You certainly give me the impression that we are beneath you so why debate with us?????????
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I enjoyed that debate the other day - didn't see where it went (i was looking forward to catching up on it at work!)- sorry to hear it descended into insults :'( :'(
as usual - your opinion was well thought-out and eloquently argued - still dont agree tho ;) ;)
most forums abandon reasoned debate in favour of insults at the first opportunity - i'd hate that to become the norm here
and Lizzie - keep giving us all food for thought :y :y :y :y
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rearrange these words to form a common sentence. kitchen heat you if out stand get can't the of. :y ;D ;D
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Thanks for ALL your supportive and/or constructive counter points made in response to my thread. :y
Yes, I will admit once I feel passionate about something I need to discuss it in the open to establish really what the situation is and my true understanding of it, which puts some people on guard as I have been told to my face that I have a "very strong presence" and are forceful in my arguments, although (I hope! ::) ::) ::)) never too insulting! :D :D ;)
Therefore when I am feeling so passionate I may well commit the sin of perceiving in something that is being said to me to be a negative comment aimed at me personally, so Entwood you are dead right mate in your thoughts on this one!! :y :y ;) ;)
Anyway I am not going to go on and on with this one and upset even the majority of you who I deeply respect!! ;) ;) I just want to say thanks for your advice and guidance on this and on many other occasions (including of course car matters!) which I highly value, which DOES also make remaining a member of the OOF worthwhile; you are a great bunch!! (I am starting to cry now with emotion, but that is me as well! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(.
Thanks all, Holy Count, Cem, SirMoanalot, Lazydocker, Entwood and James and please try to keep me on the straight and narrow!!:y :y :y Yes James owards and upwards for us all eh?! :y :y :y :y
I've no idea what went on, but as my Dad used to say..."Don't let the b'stards grind you down" :y
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Looking in this thread for every word I dont know (and idioms)
dictionary goes in the bin and I feel stupid here :(
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Looking in this thread for every word I dont know (and idioms)
dictionary goes in the bin and I feel stupid here :(
;D ;D ;D
You really don't understand how lucky you are Cem. ;)
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rearrange these words to form a common sentence. kitchen heat you if out stand get can't the of. :y ;D ;D
stand out of heat if you can't get the kitchen
How did i do :y ;D
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rearrange these words to form a common sentence. kitchen heat you if out stand get can't the of. :y ;D ;D
stand out of heat if you can't get the kitchen
How did i do :y ;D
While you are still in the kitchen ...two sugars in mine please :D
Entwood made an excellent point about things written on (over?) the net are so easily taken out of context without that face to face interplay.
I strongly remember chatting online to an american young (?) lady when she made some mildly amusing comment to which I innocently replied "Ho Ho Ho" ( as santa might do). She went up like a roman candle, "who are you calling a ho?" etc. etc ---- never spoke to her again :-[
Anyway --- straying there .... point is we all do and say things to upset and we often get upset ourselves ----- if you find you have offended, best to apologise and shake (virtual) hands ... life really is too short !
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Looking in this thread for every word I dont know (and idioms)
dictionary goes in the bin and I feel stupid here :(
Considering the language barrier Cem you do very well :y :y :y
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Looking in this thread for every word I dont know (and idioms)
dictionary goes in the bin and I feel stupid here :(
Considering the language barrier Cem you do very well :y :y :y
Indeed you do cem, and I wouldn't worry about this thread too much. :y
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Looking in this thread for every word I dont know (and idioms)
dictionary goes in the bin and I feel stupid here :(
Considering the language barrier Cem you do very well :y :y :y
Indeed you do sem, and I wouldn't worry about this thread too much. :y
Cem. Your English is brilliant! Not always as we would say it ;) ;), but we always understand you :y :y
I can say 'Thank you' in Turkish ...... :-[
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Ive been reading both threads in this little "debate " ...dont want involved but as has been stated before sometimes what has been written doesnt read how its meant ......i wasn't part of any of the debates but all this stuff just makes me want to sigh though......just my thoughts :(
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Not sure this thread is necessary at this stage, its obvious that passions were running high last night, and still are today. Maybe waiting a day or 2 may have been beneficial.
For those that missed it, I deleted the entire thread last night, as, to be perfectly honest, I was far to busy to disecting the abusive threads from the intelligent ones. To be honest, I have far better things to do than keep clearing up the mess >:(, esp as I was trying to clear up the mess that a VMWare update had made to the server (apologies to Auto Addict who got a rather terse reply down the phone :-[). The Admins give up significant amounts of their free time to manage this site, and really don't need to have to give up even more to sort out the mess made when people have toy throwing sessions >:(
I never normally publically post specific things about members, but its obvious that Lizzie Zoom and Ljay are never going to see eye to eye. May I respectfully suggest that you avoid each other's posts, seeing as you seem to bite at each other >:(. I can find evidence of both of you baiting the other. I should add you are not the only 2 who are at each other's throats >:(
The following paragraph is aimed at every single member of OOF: With a community the size we have, obviously we are going to have members who do not agree and do not get along with certain other members. However, the forum guidelines clearly state that being abusive to other members will not be tolerated. Obviously there is a difference between light hearted ribbing, and malicious intent. The decision of the Admin who deals with it is final - if you don't like that....
If any member feels they are being intimidated, please contact the online Admin, or myself, who will look into it. We may or may not agree, and we may or may not have a quiet word with the other parties - purely down to Admin discretion. The Admins know some people are more sensitive than others (we hope our members do as well, and act accordingly). If we are unsure, we may chose to discuss it privately. Thats the way it is, like it or lump it >:(
FFS, we are all supposedly grown-ups >:( >:( >:(
Anyone have an issue with what I have said, my finger is hovering over the ban button, as all of the Admin team have far more important non-OOF things going on to waste excessive amounts of time sorting out childish bickering >:(
Apologies to Hotel21 for deleting his thread about the Ladybord books - sorry mate, I really had too much on to be able to sort the valid threads from the intolerable ones :-[
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Having spent the last week watching, reading and promising myself that i would stay out of things I feel that i need to comment on this thread!
Lizzie- You come accross as being self righteous and hard done to! Yet in last nights deleted thread you resorted to throwing insults over something that i said 2 weeks ago. this was in response to something that jimbob said! Indeed i was not even online, so why drag me into it? How dare you? Then claim to be so upset by it all!
We are married, yes, but two very different people with our own views and opinions, interesting we hold similar opinions of you isn't it?
You are the very reason that i chose to walk away. You may not like being bullied but you do a good job of bullying!
A friend commented on my lack of posting and asked 'She isn't staying away, why are you?'
Your holier than though attitude sucks! You are not the only one to have been there, done that, you know!
Admin I apologise for the upset this will cause, but felt she needed telling!
To coin a now well used phrase 'GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE' and come into the real world!
You certainly give me the impression that we are beneath you so why debate with us?????????
Whatever Ljay!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Frankly you are not worth debating anything with as you are certainly one of those very tiny minority on OOF who throw childish insults at other oof members, as you have just admitted doing to me two weeks ago, after doing the same at Dusty....oh yes and at a newbie you bullied madam who quickly turned tail and ran away from our Forum! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
You are an offensive individual and I am going to now do what I threatened before.....ignore any silly little girl comments you make! >:( >:(
Bye bye!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Having spent the last week watching, reading and promising myself that i would stay out of things I feel that i need to comment on this thread!
Lizzie- You come accross as being self righteous and hard done to! Yet in last nights deleted thread you resorted to throwing insults over something that i said 2 weeks ago. this was in response to something that jimbob said! Indeed i was not even online, so why drag me into it? How dare you? Then claim to be so upset by it all!
We are married, yes, but two very different people with our own views and opinions, interesting we hold similar opinions of you isn't it?
You are the very reason that i chose to walk away. You may not like being bullied but you do a good job of bullying!
A friend commented on my lack of posting and asked 'She isn't staying away, why are you?'
Your holier than though attitude sucks! You are not the only one to have been there, done that, you know!
Admin I apologise for the upset this will cause, but felt she needed telling!
To coin a now well used phrase 'GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE' and come into the real world!
You certainly give me the impression that we are beneath you so why debate with us?????????
Whatever Ljay!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Frankly you are not worth debating anything with as you are certainly one of those very tiny minority on OOF who throw childish insults at other oof members, as you have just admitted doing to me two weeks ago, after doing the same at Dusty....oh yes and at a newbie you bullied madam who quickly turned tail and ran away from our Forum! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
You are an offensive individual and I am going to now do what I threatened before.....ignore any silly little girl comments you make! >:( >:(
Bye bye!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Read the bloody post above yours.
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oh dear here we go again !! ::) ::)
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First and Foremost .. to TB 2 things...
Sincere thanks for EVERYTHING you do to keep the forum going
Secondly .. I wasn't on-line much last night as we had visitors ... and I didn't even realise a thread had got "excited" and deleted .. so I was unaware of the background to the first post. I therefore apologise if my thoughts have stepped on any toes or inflamed/restoked a fire you tried to extinguish.
I will withdraw from this thread and hope that others do likewise. I totally agree with your sentiments.
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I thought this was a car forum, not the local debating society.
A joke was posted, many found it funny, some did not and it felt like we were told we were not allowed to find it funny because it doesnt suit everyones morals. If everybody reacted like that, there would be no jokes, and the world would be a lot sadder place for it.
Everyone is entitled to their views, and people should not be so belittling to those who dont share them.
Live and let live!
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I remember the old days when this forum first started and it was a lot smaller crowd, and we used to talk about OMEGA'S ;)
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I'll consider myself banned then!
As whats good for the goose obviously isn't good for the gander!
I can be openly abused without a murmur but get named and shamed for retaliating!
Rules should apply to all and they obviously don't around here!
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Having spent the last week watching, reading and promising myself that i would stay out of things I feel that i need to comment on this thread!
Lizzie- You come accross as being self righteous and hard done to! Yet in last nights deleted thread you resorted to throwing insults over something that i said 2 weeks ago. this was in response to something that jimbob said! Indeed i was not even online, so why drag me into it? How dare you? Then claim to be so upset by it all!
We are married, yes, but two very different people with our own views and opinions, interesting we hold similar opinions of you isn't it?
You are the very reason that i chose to walk away. You may not like being bullied but you do a good job of bullying!
A friend commented on my lack of posting and asked 'She isn't staying away, why are you?'
Your holier than though attitude sucks! You are not the only one to have been there, done that, you know!
Admin I apologise for the upset this will cause, but felt she needed telling!
To coin a now well used phrase 'GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE' and come into the real world!
You certainly give me the impression that we are beneath you so why debate with us?????????
Whatever Ljay!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Frankly you are not worth debating anything with as you are certainly one of those very tiny minority on OOF who throw childish insults at other oof members, as you have just admitted doing to me two weeks ago, after doing the same at Dusty....oh yes and at a newbie you bullied madam who quickly turned tail and ran away from our Forum! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
You are an offensive individual and I am going to now do what I threatened before.....ignore any silly little girl comments you make! >:( >:(
Bye bye!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Read the bloody post above yours.
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Don't worry yourself TB, it is now over and I will only be communicating on this site, if YOU so wish, with my opinions on the the topics involved and not involving any other member in any shape or form; in fact I am so busy I am not sure now that I really want to waste my time on all this nonense.
It is only a car forum for Christ's sake, and we obviously cannot discuss anything on here very deep, meaningful and worthwhile without risk of certain individuals turning nasty or your goodselves deleting posts / banning members. What a sorry state of affairs; this is meant to be an adult forum!!
If I am that bad a member, fair enough, cancel my membership now please and I will be gone! :y :y :y :y :y :y :y And you wonder why so many newbies do not stay communicating on this forum?!
I'm gone! ;) ;) ;)
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Lets just can it guys. Please.
As TB says its the mods that need to clear up our mess. And as TB says these guys give up a lot of their time.
I know we all appreciate it but maybe dont always show it in the heat of the moment.
I speak from experience, i have had a sharp tongue and dont see eye to eye with every person that has ever posted in here.
We share Omegas, or Omega love, (yes i still love em ;D)
It doesnt mean we need to love every forum member.
Think about your own office enviroment - do you get on with every one?
Probably not so lets all agree to disagree and avoid interaction with those that dont sing from your own hymn sheet if its going to cause distress. Doesnt make anyone better or worse if we dont see eye to eye.
As my old granny would say " you cant please all the people all the time"
By the way dont know what the original "debate" was about and dont want to but having previously caused a scene I am acutley aware of the impacts to and work involved from the Administrative team.
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I personally am truely saddened that forum members can not respect the fact that we are all different and all have different views without launching into attacks at each other.
As such, this thread has clearly (yet again) gone beyond the bounds of reasonable and open discussion and resorted to a pavement type slanging match.
because of this, this thread is now locked!