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Title: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: STEMO on 08 July 2023, 20:33:14
.....this is fickin mental.
As it says in the article, it's not about depreciation, it's about what you would have pave paid for a certain model, of a certain age and a certain mileage in January, and what that same model would cost you now.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-12160659/Used-electric-cars-nosedived-value-2023.html
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 08 July 2023, 20:48:35
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-12276725/Why-Ill-buying-brand-new-petrol-car-just-2030-ban-says-MATT-RIDLEY.html?ico=mol_desktop_moneycars
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: Rangie on 09 July 2023, 07:49:17
See quite a few EVs round here now mainly ,Kia Hyundai & MG personally I wouldn't have one if it was free.
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 09 July 2023, 10:10:45
I thought you said you were quite impressed by the MG something or other ???
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: Varche on 09 July 2023, 23:39:26
Good. Chinese crap!

Remember when we “ hated “ Japanese crap”? Different now though as the world polarises into buy Chinese or not.
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 10 July 2023, 00:05:36
Saw an advert about how the global shipping industry is a mahoosive contribution to climate change, and that the solution is to build more energy efficient ships powered by wind or hydrogen or solar power...

Er no, how about not transporting ship loads of crap around the world to begin with. ???
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: Kevin Wood on 10 July 2023, 07:10:47
Saw an advert about how the global shipping industry is a mahoosive contribution to climate change, and that the solution is to build more energy efficient ships powered by wind or hydrogen or solar power...

Er no, how about not transporting ship loads of crap around the world to begin with. ???

Well, that's novel. ;D
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: Andy B on 10 July 2023, 09:02:39
....

Well, that's novel. ;D

That's what I thought too ..... we have wind powered ships 100s of years ago!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 10 July 2023, 10:12:42
And think how much the extra time will add to the price of goods.

They're going about it all arse backwards.

Trying to solve the wrong problems.

Stop buying cheap, unreliable shit from China and yo won't have to worry about global shipping emissions. Not to mention all the other socioeconomic benefits that go along with such a choice.
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 10 July 2023, 12:37:09
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-12276725/Why-Ill-buying-brand-new-petrol-car-just-2030-ban-says-MATT-RIDLEY.html?ico=mol_desktop_moneycars

That about sums up the great delusion and nonsense rather well. :P :P

Roll on my Omega! 8) ;D ;)
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 10 July 2023, 14:19:14
Saw an advert about how the global shipping industry is a mahoosive contribution to climate change, and that the solution is to build more energy efficient ships powered by wind or hydrogen or solar power...

Er no, how about not transporting ship loads of crap around the world to begin with. ???

Well, that's novel. ;D

It will be, as they'll try and reinvent the wheel...

https://gizmodo.com/giant-kite-will-pull-a-ship-across-the-ocean-next-month-1848233992
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: ronnyd on 10 July 2023, 19:25:19
Saw an advert about how the global shipping industry is a mahoosive contribution to climate change, and that the solution is to build more energy efficient ships powered by wind or hydrogen or solar power...

Er no, how about not transporting ship loads of crap around the world to begin with. ???

Well, that's novel. ;D

It will be, as they'll try and reinvent the wheel...

https://gizmodo.com/giant-kite-will-pull-a-ship-across-the-ocean-next-month-1848233992
It would most likely be a square one.  :D
Opti's car would have taken even longer to arrive as well.
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 10 July 2023, 20:33:35
Saw an advert about how the global shipping industry is a mahoosive contribution to climate change, and that the solution is to build more energy efficient ships powered by wind or hydrogen or solar power...

Er no, how about not transporting ship loads of crap around the world to begin with. ???

Well, that's novel. ;D

It will be, as they'll try and reinvent the wheel...

https://gizmodo.com/giant-kite-will-pull-a-ship-across-the-ocean-next-month-1848233992
It would most likely be a square one.  :D
Opti's car would have taken even longer to arrive as well.

Ha ha yes, I imagine Lord Optis conversation with BMW dealer would have gone something like this....

LO: Hello, just phoning to see if my car has arrived at your dealership yet?

BMW: Oh yes let me check... tippity tap of keyboard.... No M'Lud it's not here yet.

LO: When are you expecting it to arrive then?

BMW: Well M'lud it's very much dependent on the weather these days you see. Hmm let's see.... tippity tap of keyboard... Oh that's bad luck! It looks as though it's becalmed in the doldrums off the Azores and it's been there a few days....

LO: Well how much longer will it be there?

BMW: Difficult to say M'lud, let's see what the Met Office say.... tippity tap of keyboard... Well it looks as though there will be little or no wind for another 2 or 3 weeks, but then there should be an anticyclone making it's way across the Atlantic which should push it up to Southampton. Um ..... Can I remind you M'lud of the extra climate surcharge payable in the event of a becalming event resulting in late delivery which will be added to your final payment?

LO: Sigh...
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 11 July 2023, 12:28:08
Saw an advert about how the global shipping industry is a mahoosive contribution to climate change, and that the solution is to build more energy efficient ships powered by wind or hydrogen or solar power...

Er no, how about not transporting ship loads of crap around the world to begin with. ???

Well, that's novel. ;D

It will be, as they'll try and reinvent the wheel...

https://gizmodo.com/giant-kite-will-pull-a-ship-across-the-ocean-next-month-1848233992
It would most likely be a square one.  :D
Opti's car would have taken even longer to arrive as well.

Ha ha yes, I imagine Lord Optis conversation with BMW dealer would have gone something like this....

LO: Hello, just phoning to see if my car has arrived at your dealership yet?

BMW: Oh yes let me check... tippity tap of keyboard.... No M'Lud it's not here yet.

LO: When are you expecting it to arrive then?

BMW: Well M'lud it's very much dependent on the weather these days you see. Hmm let's see.... tippity tap of keyboard... Oh that's bad luck! It looks as though it's becalmed in the doldrums off the Azores and it's been there a few days....

LO: Well how much longer will it be there?

BMW: Difficult to say M'lud, let's see what the Met Office say.... tippity tap of keyboard... Well it looks as though there will be little or no wind for another 2 or 3 weeks, but then there should be an anticyclone making it's way across the Atlantic which should push it up to Southampton. Um ..... Can I remind you M'lud of the extra climate surcharge payable in the event of a becalming event resulting in late delivery which will be added to your final payment?

LO: Sigh...

£1000 deposit paid  19th May 2022

Balance paid and car arrived 9th June 2023.

So about 13 months. :-X

When I left the deposit they estimated 3-5 months. ;D

Still, she is here now and used cars on Autotrader are being advertised for anything up to £8000 more than I paid. I reckon I could keep her for a 12-18 months and not make a loss. :y

Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 11 July 2023, 13:59:06
Saw an advert about how the global shipping industry is a mahoosive contribution to climate change, and that the solution is to build more energy efficient ships powered by wind or hydrogen or solar power...

Er no, how about not transporting ship loads of crap around the world to begin with. ???

Well, that's novel. ;D

It will be, as they'll try and reinvent the wheel...

https://gizmodo.com/giant-kite-will-pull-a-ship-across-the-ocean-next-month-1848233992
It would most likely be a square one.  :D
Opti's car would have taken even longer to arrive as well.

Ha ha yes, I imagine Lord Optis conversation with BMW dealer would have gone something like this....

LO: Hello, just phoning to see if my car has arrived at your dealership yet?

BMW: Oh yes let me check... tippity tap of keyboard.... No M'Lud it's not here yet.

LO: When are you expecting it to arrive then?

BMW: Well M'lud it's very much dependent on the weather these days you see. Hmm let's see.... tippity tap of keyboard... Oh that's bad luck! It looks as though it's becalmed in the doldrums off the Azores and it's been there a few days....

LO: Well how much longer will it be there?

BMW: Difficult to say M'lud, let's see what the Met Office say.... tippity tap of keyboard... Well it looks as though there will be little or no wind for another 2 or 3 weeks, but then there should be an anticyclone making it's way across the Atlantic which should push it up to Southampton. Um ..... Can I remind you M'lud of the extra climate surcharge payable in the event of a becalming event resulting in late delivery which will be added to your final payment?

LO: Sigh...

£1000 deposit paid  19th May 2022

Balance paid and car arrived 9th June 2023.

So about 13 months. :-X

When I left the deposit they estimated 3-5 months. ;D

Still, she is here now and used cars on Autotrader are being advertised for anything up to £8000 more than I paid. I reckon I could keep her for a 12-18 months and not make a loss. :y

Happy days!  :y

Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: Auto Addict on 12 July 2023, 22:39:32
Saw an advert about how the global shipping industry is a mahoosive contribution to climate change, and that the solution is to build more energy efficient ships powered by wind or hydrogen or solar power...

Er no, how about not transporting ship loads of crap around the world to begin with. ???

They'll be bringing horse drawn barges back on the canals soon then, and banning lorries.
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: STEMO on 12 July 2023, 22:45:16
Saw an advert about how the global shipping industry is a mahoosive contribution to climate change, and that the solution is to build more energy efficient ships powered by wind or hydrogen or solar power...

Er no, how about not transporting ship loads of crap around the world to begin with. ???

They'll be bringing horse drawn barges back on the canals soon then, and banning lorries.
That'll be nostalgic for you, Barry  :-*
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: Andy B on 12 July 2023, 22:47:33
Geoff is still on a roll .....  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRUBzzQLNGg
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 13 July 2023, 23:04:53
Chinese burn!  :o  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOA7qKMcjcE
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: STEMO on 15 August 2023, 12:58:36
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-12404667/Over-two-thirds-councils-no-plans-install-residential-street-chargers-electric-cars.html
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: Rangie on 15 August 2023, 13:04:22
When it all goes "tits up" many of us on here can say " we told you so" 😂
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 15 August 2023, 20:40:11
Saw an advert about how the global shipping industry is a mahoosive contribution to climate change, and that the solution is to build more energy efficient ships powered by wind or hydrogen or solar power...

Er no, how about not transporting ship loads of crap around the world to begin with. ???

They'll be bringing horse drawn barges back on the canals soon then, and banning horses.
More likely.
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: Terbs on 15 August 2023, 23:38:10
Chatting with my mate from Manchester about street charging as he hasn't got a drive, and we both agreed, that, has no-one thought about the 'mouth breathers' as he calls them, young yobbo's up to no good, unplugging the chargers in the street, just for a laugh. !!
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: STEMO on 16 August 2023, 06:52:37
Chatting with my mate from Manchester about street charging as he hasn't got a drive, and we both agreed, that, has no-one thought about the 'mouth breathers' as he calls them, young yobbo's up to no good, unplugging the chargers in the street, just for a laugh. !!
Someone might correct me, Tony, but I think the cables lock in position. They'd certainly find a way to cause mischief and inconvenience though.
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: ronnyd on 16 August 2023, 09:05:40
Chatting with my mate from Manchester about street charging as he hasn't got a drive, and we both agreed, that, has no-one thought about the 'mouth breathers' as he calls them, young yobbo's up to no good, unplugging the chargers in the street, just for a laugh. !!
Someone might correct me, Tony, but I think the cables lock in position. They'd certainly find a way to cause mischief and inconvenience though.
A well insulated pair of cutters perhaps?  :)
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: Terbs on 16 August 2023, 11:07:30
I didn't think they locked in position, Steve. Not got one so wouldn't really know. All I see is vids or ads where people just plug the charger into the car and that's it. Thought it was just a pop it in, leave it, then pop it out. I had this vision of people in a street coming out to go to work, and finding the charging piece laying on the ground at a car with a flat battery.  :(
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: Rangie on 16 August 2023, 11:13:07
Saw on local TV last night charging points that lower in & out of the driveway/pavement, all looks very flash but once they get clogged up by all the shit that will collect in there then what ? And yes the charging cable is still completely exposed all ready to be vandalised.
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: Terbs on 16 August 2023, 11:20:32
Just been doing a bit of reading on the subject, and it appears it depends what socket you have....in the past it was possible to disconnect someone whilst charging, but I would imagine technology has come on since then.
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: STEMO on 16 August 2023, 11:23:46
From 'Wepoweryourcar':

EV charging cables are being targeted by thieves selling the copper content for scrap or listing the cables on the second-hand market through platforms such as eBay or Facebook Marketplace.

Electric car manufacturers are aware of the risk of charging cable theft, and most EVs have locking mechanisms to secure the charging cable while the vehicle is charging unattended. However, these mechanisms are not always foolproof.

As such, electric vehicle drivers have been looking for additional methods to prevent their charging cables from being stolen.
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: Rangie on 16 August 2023, 11:32:48
From 'Wepoweryourcar':

EV charging cables are being targeted by thieves selling the copper content for scrap or listing the cables on the second-hand market through platforms such as eBay or Facebook Marketplace.

Electric car manufacturers are aware of the risk of charging cable theft, and most EVs have locking mechanisms to secure the charging cable while the vehicle is charging unattended. However, these mechanisms are not always foolproof.

As such, electric vehicle drivers have been looking for additional methods to prevent their charging cables from being stolen.
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Sleep in the car while it's charging with a shotgun on the passenger seat.
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: STEMO on 16 August 2023, 12:04:37
From 'Wepoweryourcar':

EV charging cables are being targeted by thieves selling the copper content for scrap or listing the cables on the second-hand market through platforms such as eBay or Facebook Marketplace.

Electric car manufacturers are aware of the risk of charging cable theft, and most EVs have locking mechanisms to secure the charging cable while the vehicle is charging unattended. However, these mechanisms are not always foolproof.

As such, electric vehicle drivers have been looking for additional methods to prevent their charging cables from being stolen.
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Sleep in the car while it's charging with a shotgun on the passenger seat.
That'd do it  ;D
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: dave the builder on 16 August 2023, 12:15:58

Sleep in the car while it's charging with a shotgun on the passenger seat.
But that would be illegal to protect your own property from thieving scumbags  :o
there was a time when stealing was illegal ,police don't bother with that sort of crime anymore though  :(
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 16 August 2023, 12:22:15

Sleep in the car while it's charging with a shotgun on the passenger seat.
But that would be illegal to protect your own property from thieving scumbags  :o
there was a time when stealing was illegal ,police don't bother with that sort of crime anymore though :(

They like to police 'hurty words' these days. They are very good at it.

 It is even worse in Scotland where the ginger dwarf from the north wanted to make 'hurty words' illegal even in our own homes.

Humza Useless is cut from the same cloth.
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: STEMO on 16 August 2023, 14:49:57

Sleep in the car while it's charging with a shotgun on the passenger seat.
But that would be illegal to protect your own property from thieving scumbags  :o
there was a time when stealing was illegal ,police don't bother with that sort of crime anymore though :(

They like to police 'hurty words' these days. They are very good at it.

 It is even worse in Scotland where the ginger dwarf from the north wanted to make 'hurty words' illegal even in our own homes.

Humza Useless is cut from the same cloth.

They didn't used to investigate hurty words but, now they've said sorry, it's all ok

South Yorkshire Police apology over historical homophobic failings https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-66522413
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: Rangie on 16 August 2023, 15:16:24

Sleep in the car while it's charging with a shotgun on the passenger seat.
But that would be illegal to protect your own property from thieving scumbags  :o
there was a time when stealing was illegal ,police don't bother with that sort of crime anymore though  :(
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All I'd have to say is that I have "mental health issues" and they'd probably let me off lightly, that seems to be the most popular option at present..
Title: Re: I know I keep going on about EV's, but....
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 16 August 2023, 16:57:51

Sleep in the car while it's charging with a shotgun on the passenger seat.
But that would be illegal to protect your own property from thieving scumbags  :o
there was a time when stealing was illegal ,police don't bother with that sort of crime anymore though :(

They like to police 'hurty words' these days. They are very good at it.

 It is even worse in Scotland where the ginger dwarf from the north wanted to make 'hurty words' illegal even in our own homes.

Humza Useless is cut from the same cloth.

They didn't used to investigate hurty words but, now they've said sorry, it's all ok

South Yorkshire Police apology over historical homophobic failings
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-66522413

Ms Lauren Poultney not Mrs Poultney.

Ms Cressida Dick not Mrs Dick.

Merely an observation. ::) ::)