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Title: TB's buggered motor
Post by: TheBoy on 12 July 2023, 16:07:01
P006A.  DTC snapshot data shows very low boost pressure, suspect a loss of boost pressure.

Sent the DTC snapshot data and some photos to that DTM geezer, and he concurs that one of the intake manifolds has split being the most likely cause.  Cheap, crap, plastic shite that plagues this engine.  Still, to be expected when it was a JV between the yanks and the French ;D
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: STEMO on 12 July 2023, 16:26:44
Plastic, you say? Print one off and do it yourself  ;D
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 12 July 2023, 16:41:22
You forgot the 'Buy a Mercedes' option >:D
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 12 July 2023, 16:49:50
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Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 12 July 2023, 16:56:54
We know you want to.  ;D (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/394365560559?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D251361%26meid%3Da6acdea8e3104d63b3add2b90c01f633%26pid%3D101195%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D384314015518%26itm%3D394365560559%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D4429486%26algv%3DSimplAMLv11WebTrimmedV3MskuWithLambda85KnnRecallV1V2ItemNrtInQueryAndCassiniVisualRankerAndBertRecallWithVMEV3&_trksid=p4429486.c101195.m1851&amdata=cksum%3A394365560559a6acdea8e3104d63b3add2b90c01f633%7Cenc%3AAQAIAAABYCvNJCDpv8JKJ0xCukMH3s3gkAge2ftmvQmk3emJy7HZz57DQyZhCi3sdmDXb%252FmJl8zlPrPXQXGqXP%252FEJhR6e8rmDiP6tDLHxtY%252BhBSmo16s%252Bpuaej%252FxG3tRxSXQgj3PwnVLqQhxpNbltd%252Fo%252Bp69BfD%252BbGD4Fc7kMitdueUQQ40bMkcSSWIwsRoOXkPwKkgpFwgfVcKQqgblUOLnE8FYycn1t%252Bn%252FZ4pco0kz3HHXUznegYT0IrfGLZC3b4c0LawoDqldm77HsykLgE9%252F60hSyzTGTPLg5Nk9pfisiPIcUvNFG6ZRv54eyPI%252FvWB8XAlHzPEXYyQSB5vn3I%252BRyR33TbLKJQRIPGlw%252BcrXvaERcRmhJR865o75YJs4jdPrdQH1zHLoMN4e2j3URSSzgQnYrQdOuuP3TnCKL0BxsiRLx1kTm84SGs5%252Bufy64QaP7mHrEHtLu5FYKlWg5Fimfamavx0%253D%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A4429486)
I might even be able to return it when it doesn't work  >:D
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: STEMO on 12 July 2023, 16:57:34
We know you want to.  ;D (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/394365560559?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D251361%26meid%3Da6acdea8e3104d63b3add2b90c01f633%26pid%3D101195%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D384314015518%26itm%3D394365560559%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D4429486%26algv%3DSimplAMLv11WebTrimmedV3MskuWithLambda85KnnRecallV1V2ItemNrtInQueryAndCassiniVisualRankerAndBertRecallWithVMEV3&_trksid=p4429486.c101195.m1851&amdata=cksum%3A394365560559a6acdea8e3104d63b3add2b90c01f633%7Cenc%3AAQAIAAABYCvNJCDpv8JKJ0xCukMH3s3gkAge2ftmvQmk3emJy7HZz57DQyZhCi3sdmDXb%252FmJl8zlPrPXQXGqXP%252FEJhR6e8rmDiP6tDLHxtY%252BhBSmo16s%252Bpuaej%252FxG3tRxSXQgj3PwnVLqQhxpNbltd%252Fo%252Bp69BfD%252BbGD4Fc7kMitdueUQQ40bMkcSSWIwsRoOXkPwKkgpFwgfVcKQqgblUOLnE8FYycn1t%252Bn%252FZ4pco0kz3HHXUznegYT0IrfGLZC3b4c0LawoDqldm77HsykLgE9%252F60hSyzTGTPLg5Nk9pfisiPIcUvNFG6ZRv54eyPI%252FvWB8XAlHzPEXYyQSB5vn3I%252BRyR33TbLKJQRIPGlw%252BcrXvaERcRmhJR865o75YJs4jdPrdQH1zHLoMN4e2j3URSSzgQnYrQdOuuP3TnCKL0BxsiRLx1kTm84SGs5%252Bufy64QaP7mHrEHtLu5FYKlWg5Fimfamavx0%253D%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A4429486)
That's very reasonable. I would do both sides just to be sure  :)
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 12 July 2023, 17:06:25
We know you want to.  ;D (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/394365560559?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D251361%26meid%3Da6acdea8e3104d63b3add2b90c01f633%26pid%3D101195%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D384314015518%26itm%3D394365560559%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D4429486%26algv%3DSimplAMLv11WebTrimmedV3MskuWithLambda85KnnRecallV1V2ItemNrtInQueryAndCassiniVisualRankerAndBertRecallWithVMEV3&_trksid=p4429486.c101195.m1851&amdata=cksum%3A394365560559a6acdea8e3104d63b3add2b90c01f633%7Cenc%3AAQAIAAABYCvNJCDpv8JKJ0xCukMH3s3gkAge2ftmvQmk3emJy7HZz57DQyZhCi3sdmDXb%252FmJl8zlPrPXQXGqXP%252FEJhR6e8rmDiP6tDLHxtY%252BhBSmo16s%252Bpuaej%252FxG3tRxSXQgj3PwnVLqQhxpNbltd%252Fo%252Bp69BfD%252BbGD4Fc7kMitdueUQQ40bMkcSSWIwsRoOXkPwKkgpFwgfVcKQqgblUOLnE8FYycn1t%252Bn%252FZ4pco0kz3HHXUznegYT0IrfGLZC3b4c0LawoDqldm77HsykLgE9%252F60hSyzTGTPLg5Nk9pfisiPIcUvNFG6ZRv54eyPI%252FvWB8XAlHzPEXYyQSB5vn3I%252BRyR33TbLKJQRIPGlw%252BcrXvaERcRmhJR865o75YJs4jdPrdQH1zHLoMN4e2j3URSSzgQnYrQdOuuP3TnCKL0BxsiRLx1kTm84SGs5%252Bufy64QaP7mHrEHtLu5FYKlWg5Fimfamavx0%253D%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A4429486)
That's very reasonable. I would do both sides just to be sure  :)

It probably takes a week just to get at the manifold, but TB likes a challenge!  :)
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: STEMO on 12 July 2023, 17:08:08
We know you want to.  ;D (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/394365560559?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D251361%26meid%3Da6acdea8e3104d63b3add2b90c01f633%26pid%3D101195%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D384314015518%26itm%3D394365560559%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D4429486%26algv%3DSimplAMLv11WebTrimmedV3MskuWithLambda85KnnRecallV1V2ItemNrtInQueryAndCassiniVisualRankerAndBertRecallWithVMEV3&_trksid=p4429486.c101195.m1851&amdata=cksum%3A394365560559a6acdea8e3104d63b3add2b90c01f633%7Cenc%3AAQAIAAABYCvNJCDpv8JKJ0xCukMH3s3gkAge2ftmvQmk3emJy7HZz57DQyZhCi3sdmDXb%252FmJl8zlPrPXQXGqXP%252FEJhR6e8rmDiP6tDLHxtY%252BhBSmo16s%252Bpuaej%252FxG3tRxSXQgj3PwnVLqQhxpNbltd%252Fo%252Bp69BfD%252BbGD4Fc7kMitdueUQQ40bMkcSSWIwsRoOXkPwKkgpFwgfVcKQqgblUOLnE8FYycn1t%252Bn%252FZ4pco0kz3HHXUznegYT0IrfGLZC3b4c0LawoDqldm77HsykLgE9%252F60hSyzTGTPLg5Nk9pfisiPIcUvNFG6ZRv54eyPI%252FvWB8XAlHzPEXYyQSB5vn3I%252BRyR33TbLKJQRIPGlw%252BcrXvaERcRmhJR865o75YJs4jdPrdQH1zHLoMN4e2j3URSSzgQnYrQdOuuP3TnCKL0BxsiRLx1kTm84SGs5%252Bufy64QaP7mHrEHtLu5FYKlWg5Fimfamavx0%253D%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A4429486)
That's very reasonable. I would do both sides just to be sure  :)

It probably takes a week just to get at the manifold, but TB likes a challenge!  :)
He can strip it down of an evening instead of binge watching Mama Mia  :y
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: Andy B on 12 July 2023, 17:08:50
You forgot the 'Buy a Mercedes' option >:D

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 12 July 2023, 17:09:25
We know you want to.  ;D (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/394365560559?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D251361%26meid%3Da6acdea8e3104d63b3add2b90c01f633%26pid%3D101195%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D384314015518%26itm%3D394365560559%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D4429486%26algv%3DSimplAMLv11WebTrimmedV3MskuWithLambda85KnnRecallV1V2ItemNrtInQueryAndCassiniVisualRankerAndBertRecallWithVMEV3&_trksid=p4429486.c101195.m1851&amdata=cksum%3A394365560559a6acdea8e3104d63b3add2b90c01f633%7Cenc%3AAQAIAAABYCvNJCDpv8JKJ0xCukMH3s3gkAge2ftmvQmk3emJy7HZz57DQyZhCi3sdmDXb%252FmJl8zlPrPXQXGqXP%252FEJhR6e8rmDiP6tDLHxtY%252BhBSmo16s%252Bpuaej%252FxG3tRxSXQgj3PwnVLqQhxpNbltd%252Fo%252Bp69BfD%252BbGD4Fc7kMitdueUQQ40bMkcSSWIwsRoOXkPwKkgpFwgfVcKQqgblUOLnE8FYycn1t%252Bn%252FZ4pco0kz3HHXUznegYT0IrfGLZC3b4c0LawoDqldm77HsykLgE9%252F60hSyzTGTPLg5Nk9pfisiPIcUvNFG6ZRv54eyPI%252FvWB8XAlHzPEXYyQSB5vn3I%252BRyR33TbLKJQRIPGlw%252BcrXvaERcRmhJR865o75YJs4jdPrdQH1zHLoMN4e2j3URSSzgQnYrQdOuuP3TnCKL0BxsiRLx1kTm84SGs5%252Bufy64QaP7mHrEHtLu5FYKlWg5Fimfamavx0%253D%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A4429486)
That's very reasonable. I would do both sides just to be sure  :)

It probably takes a week just to get at the manifold, but TB likes a challenge!  :)
He can strip it down of an evening instead of binge watching Mama Mia :y

Yes  ;D
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 12 July 2023, 18:28:12
We know you want to.  ;D (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/394365560559?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D251361%26meid%3Da6acdea8e3104d63b3add2b90c01f633%26pid%3D101195%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D384314015518%26itm%3D394365560559%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D4429486%26algv%3DSimplAMLv11WebTrimmedV3MskuWithLambda85KnnRecallV1V2ItemNrtInQueryAndCassiniVisualRankerAndBertRecallWithVMEV3&_trksid=p4429486.c101195.m1851&amdata=cksum%3A394365560559a6acdea8e3104d63b3add2b90c01f633%7Cenc%3AAQAIAAABYCvNJCDpv8JKJ0xCukMH3s3gkAge2ftmvQmk3emJy7HZz57DQyZhCi3sdmDXb%252FmJl8zlPrPXQXGqXP%252FEJhR6e8rmDiP6tDLHxtY%252BhBSmo16s%252Bpuaej%252FxG3tRxSXQgj3PwnVLqQhxpNbltd%252Fo%252Bp69BfD%252BbGD4Fc7kMitdueUQQ40bMkcSSWIwsRoOXkPwKkgpFwgfVcKQqgblUOLnE8FYycn1t%252Bn%252FZ4pco0kz3HHXUznegYT0IrfGLZC3b4c0LawoDqldm77HsykLgE9%252F60hSyzTGTPLg5Nk9pfisiPIcUvNFG6ZRv54eyPI%252FvWB8XAlHzPEXYyQSB5vn3I%252BRyR33TbLKJQRIPGlw%252BcrXvaERcRmhJR865o75YJs4jdPrdQH1zHLoMN4e2j3URSSzgQnYrQdOuuP3TnCKL0BxsiRLx1kTm84SGs5%252Bufy64QaP7mHrEHtLu5FYKlWg5Fimfamavx0%253D%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A4429486)
That's very reasonable. I would do both sides just to be sure  :)

It probably takes a week just to get at the manifold, but TB likes a challenge!  :)
He can strip it down of an evening whilst binge watching Mama Mia  :y
Fixed >:D
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: TheBoy on 12 July 2023, 19:23:15
You forgot the 'Buy a Mercedes' option >:D
I only added viable options ;D
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: TheBoy on 12 July 2023, 19:25:49
If I do DIY, have to decide if the genuine part is better quality than pattern.

Genuine part looks to be about £300, including the gasket and bolts.

Britpart pattern looks to be around £130ish.

Won't be buying a Ching Chong special from egay, as it really looks a shit to change, and only want to do it once.
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: Raeturbo on 12 July 2023, 21:28:20
Is it on v6 diesel?
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: TheBoy on 12 July 2023, 21:51:42
Is it on v6 diesel?
Yup
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: VXL V6 on 12 July 2023, 21:57:28
If I do DIY, have to decide if the genuine part is better quality than pattern.

Genuine part looks to be about £300, including the gasket and bolts.

Britpart pattern looks to be around £130ish.

Won't be buying a Ching Chong special from egay, as it really looks a shit to change, and only want to do it once.

I wouldn't consider anything other than genuine or the OEM personally.
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: Raeturbo on 12 July 2023, 22:04:48
Happened to my sons too, although after it was mapped decat, de dpf etc. apparently the replacement ones are strengthened
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: Nick W on 12 July 2023, 22:06:21
If I do DIY, have to decide if the genuine part is better quality than pattern.

Genuine part looks to be about £300, including the gasket and bolts.

Britpart pattern looks to be around £130ish.

Won't be buying a Ching Chong special from egay, as it really looks a shit to change, and only want to do it once.

I wouldn't consider anything other than genuine or the OEM personally.


I wouldn't consider that a big enough saving if it's as bad a job as it looks. Especially as it's a work car.


 The Britpart one is probably the Ebay cheapie in a prettier box.
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: Raeturbo on 12 July 2023, 22:07:42
His cost £650 per side all in.
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: TheBoy on 13 July 2023, 07:45:45
His cost £650 per side all in.
Was that a while back, as looks like part price (for genuine) has crept up in last few years...
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: Raeturbo on 13 July 2023, 08:12:10
That was 18 months ago at mistermatic a Jag specialist in Swansea very good service 👍 they went at different times so I dare say it would have been better to have changed both whilst there, would have been cheaper
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: TheBoy on 13 July 2023, 08:19:43
That was 18 months ago at mistermatic a Jag specialist in Swansea very good service 👍 they went at different times so I dare say it would have been better to have changed both whilst there, would have been cheaper
The general consensus is to do both together, but from what I can see, the only commonality is the throttle body, which is about a 15-20 min job....
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: TheBoy on 13 July 2023, 08:21:29
Currently neck and neck between the DIY repair and the burn it (I voted for burning)....

Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 13 July 2023, 08:25:45
Get on with the DIY, it does not look that bad a job, plus the XJ is a much nicer drive and place to be than a Merc  ;D
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: TheBoy on 13 July 2023, 08:35:57
Get on with the DIY, it does not look that bad a job, plus the XJ is a much nicer drive and place to be than a Merc  ;D
I'd hate to see your idea of a tricky job !
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 13 July 2023, 10:56:21
Get on with the DIY, it does not look that bad a job, plus the XJ is a much nicer drive and place to be than a Merc  ;D
I'd hate to see your idea of a tricky job !

Is it easier than a clutch on a modern front wheel drive, is it easier then welding cills on a rotten Ford, is it easier than a V6 head gasket change, is it easier than spark plugs on a smart car, I would say yes, its just unboting bits to get to them  ;D
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: TheBoy on 13 July 2023, 11:15:58
You make it sound easy.  You know you will get lots of phone calls if I am daft enough to attempt this  ;D
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: Andy B on 13 July 2023, 11:24:07
....
 is it easier than spark plugs on a smart car,  ....

That depends on which Smart  ::)
The 450/452 cars with the 6 spark plug engine is a bugger as all the back end has to come off to do the lower 3
however ..... the 451 cars with the Mitsubishi engine is no more difficult than any other car ..... they're right there at the back ... coil per plug.  :y :y :y
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: Andy B on 13 July 2023, 11:24:43
You make it sound easy.  You know you will get lots of phone calls if I am daft enough to attempt this  ;D

What could possibly go wrong!  ::) ::)
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 13 July 2023, 12:22:54
Get on with the DIY, it does not look that bad a job, plus the XJ is a much nicer drive and place to be than a Merc  ;D
I'd hate to see your idea of a tricky job !

If you do decide to torch if for the insurance park it next to a caravan or two. >:D

Seriously though, what Mark says. :y.....he seems to know a thing or two about cars. :)
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 13 July 2023, 13:34:14
If you want some mutual support / a curry / few beers then let me know :y
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: Viral_Jim on 13 July 2023, 13:52:35
Britpart pattern looks to be around £130ish.

Won't be buying a Ching Chong special from egay, as it really looks a shit to change, and only want to do it once.

You are aware that the only difference between these two options is a Britpart branded box?

They aren't nicknamed Sh!tPart for nothing you know.  :y
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: TheBoy on 13 July 2023, 16:57:18
(genuine) part ordered.
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 13 July 2023, 18:21:53
(genuine) part ordered.

Now all you need is a positive attitude and a 'can do' mentality. :y

......and if you f*uck it up you can always blame Mr DTM. :D
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 13 July 2023, 18:43:17
(genuine) part ordered.

How much?  ???  Do tell...  ;D
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 13 July 2023, 18:54:08
Perhaps it's time for a petrol black pussy to replace the derv black pussy. >:D

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202304296810135? (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202304296810135?)
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: TheBoy on 13 July 2023, 19:54:07
(genuine) part ordered.

How much?  ???  Do tell...  ;D
Managed to get a few quid off, down from £330 ish to £230ish, including delivery.
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: TheBoy on 13 July 2023, 19:54:26
Perhaps it's time for a petrol black pussy to replace the derv black pussy. >:D

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202304296810135? (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202304296810135?)
Or an XJR 575....
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: Viral_Jim on 13 July 2023, 20:21:39
Or an XJR 575....

You definitely should, if only so the rest of us can have a laugh at your single figure mpg numbers  >:D
Title: Re: TB's buggered motor
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 13 July 2023, 20:30:50
Perhaps it's time for a petrol black pussy to replace the derv black pussy. >:D

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202304296810135? (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202304296810135?)
Or an XJR 575....

I very nearly bought one, but didn't.....something I now regret.

Lets face it, most on here will be worm food in 10 or 15 years ::) ::) 8) so instead of finding reasons why we shouldn't, we should find reasons why we should. :y