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Title: Front or Back?
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 08 August 2023, 13:32:03
I've got a pair of new tyres on the Monsit and I generally put new tyres on the front for better traction and water displacement in the wet.

However, I've see some say that new tyres should go on the back to increase traction on the back end reduce the chance of the back end sliding out.

What do you lot do?  ???
Title: Re: Front or Back?
Post by: Rangie on 08 August 2023, 13:35:12
Had two new tyres on my V8 Merc when I had it a couple of years back, and was advised by the fitter to put the new ones on the rear but in all honesty  I never noticed any difference. With my 4x4s I always replace all 4 at the same time.
Title: Re: Front or Back?
Post by: dave the builder on 08 August 2023, 14:01:23
The fronts do the steering, most of the braking and on Wrong wheel drive ....the traction
rears just get dragged about on WWR ,unless things go wrong  :P
Title: Re: Front or Back?
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 08 August 2023, 14:10:36
It's wwd. The rear wheels just stop the back end from being dragged down the road. ;)

If you're worried about lift off over steer, the don't drive like a twart or buy a proper car >:D
Title: Re: Front or Back?
Post by: Andy B on 08 August 2023, 14:19:26
if you go to Costco you won't get a choice ... they will put them on the rear (assuming same size front & back)
Title: Re: Front or Back?
Post by: Raeturbo on 08 August 2023, 16:11:47
Rear…. The front is a  lot easier to control than the rear in the event of an emergency.
Title: Re: Front or Back?
Post by: STEMO on 08 August 2023, 16:24:29
if you go to Costco you won't get a choice ... they will put them on the rear (assuming same size front & back)
I'd get a choice. "Fit them to the front or shove them up your arse"
Title: Re: Front or Back?
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 08 August 2023, 16:55:08
Rear…. The front is a  lot easier to control than the rear in the event of an emergency.
That depends on the circumstances, car and driver.
Title: Re: Front or Back?
Post by: TheBoy on 08 August 2023, 17:24:39
Best tyres should be on the rear, as most people can deal with understeer or front end lock-ups, less people nowadays can cope with oversteer.  More so with cheap budgets, where the dry v wet grip is so dramatically different, and can catch people unawares.



I usually put the best on the rears if the car setup allows, even with the decent tyres I choose.



Title: Re: Front or Back?
Post by: Raeturbo on 08 August 2023, 17:50:22
Exactly, and well known by good drivers for years👍
Title: Re: Front or Back?
Post by: Auto Addict on 08 August 2023, 18:15:20
Best tyres should be on the rear, as most people can deal with understeer or front end lock-ups, less people nowadays can cope with oversteer.  More so with cheap budgets, where the dry v wet grip is so dramatically different, and can catch people unawares.



I usually put the best on the rears if the car setup allows, even with the decent tyres I choose.

I don't have a problem with oversteer/understeer as I never go over 35mph, and 5mph around corners.
Title: Re: Front or Back?
Post by: Varche on 09 August 2023, 09:06:03
That must be mostly motorway driving AutoAddict!
Title: Re: Front or Back?
Post by: Auto Addict on 09 August 2023, 10:59:32
That must be mostly motorway driving AutoAddict!

Centre Lane job.
Title: Re: Front or Back?
Post by: Varche on 09 August 2023, 11:18:17
 ;D
Title: Re: Front or Back?
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 09 August 2023, 11:30:11
The real reason they recommend putting the new ones on the back for FWD is because the rears wear pretty slowly and can be a fair old age, this means you keep the tyre age down.

Title: Re: Front or Back?
Post by: Andy B on 09 August 2023, 11:44:38
The real reason they recommend putting the new ones on the back for FWD is because the rears wear pretty slowly and can be a fair old age, this means you keep the tyre age down.

but the general 'advise' from the tyre companies & subsequently Costco, is new to the rear irrespective of FWD or RWD. Costco will only sell you 4 new tyres if 4 wheel drive (not sure what they'd say if it was only slip & grip/part time 4x4  :-\)
Title: Re: Front or Back?
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 09 August 2023, 12:02:20
RWD is less of an issue as they wear at a similar rate to fronts (or faster on the rear if trying hard).

By applying the always rear rule its simple for the knuckle dragging tyre fitter and they can apply it to all

The 4WD is because to many cars now are AWD rather than 4WD so have a clutch based Haldex setup which burns out when the tyre diameters are excessively different (plenty of 'sporty' VAG models about with AWD warning lights on as a result). Again on something with a transfer box its not such an issue.

Title: Re: Front or Back?
Post by: Andy B on 09 August 2023, 13:15:53
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 Again on something with a transfer box its not such an issue.

pretty much what MB said to me when I questioned Costco only wanting to sell me 4 on my R Class  :y
Title: Re: Front or Back?
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 10 August 2023, 16:24:39
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 Again on something with a transfer box its not such an issue.

pretty much what MB said to me when I questioned Costco only wanting to sell me 4 on my R Class  :y
Ford recommended swapping all four at once on the 4x4 Sierra and Granada. They had a chain driven transfer case similar to the Merc set up ;)
Title: Re: Front or Back?
Post by: Andy B on 10 August 2023, 17:40:07
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 Again on something with a transfer box its not such an issue.

pretty much what MB said to me when I questioned Costco only wanting to sell me 4 on my R Class  :y
Ford recommended swapping all four at once on the 4x4 Sierra and Granada. They had a chain driven transfer case similar to the Merc set up ;)
When I emailed MB, their was reply was that it was OK to replace just 2 as long as there wasn't too much difference in tread depth .... make of that what you want. At the time I wasn't prepared to spend that much on 4 tyres  ;)
Title: Re: Front or Back?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 10 August 2023, 18:54:42
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 Again on something with a transfer box its not such an issue.

pretty much what MB said to me when I questioned Costco only wanting to sell me 4 on my R Class  :y
Ford recommended swapping all four at once on the 4x4 Sierra and Granada. They had a chain driven transfer case similar to the Merc set up ;)

I reckon the rears on the Mexican will be Donald-ducked well before the front tyres.

I'm told  power and torque only goes to the front when there is a lack of traction at the rear.

That's roughly how it feels to drive....RWD. :)



Title: Re: Front or Back?
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 11 August 2023, 07:20:15
....
 Again on something with a transfer box its not such an issue.

pretty much what MB said to me when I questioned Costco only wanting to sell me 4 on my R Class  :y
Ford recommended swapping all four at once on the 4x4 Sierra and Granada. They had a chain driven transfer case similar to the Merc set up ;)

I reckon the rears on the Mexican will be Donald-ducked well before the front tyres.

I'm told  power and torque only goes to the front when there is a lack of traction at the rear.

That's roughly how it feels to drive....RWD. :)

Yes but that is because its probably an AWD and not a 4WD, so may well need all four changing at once