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Title: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Varche on 29 August 2023, 13:31:46
We are having a gigantic clear out after a lifetime of hoarding.

I found my much used Haltrac Hoist . Extracted or put in many engines back in the 70’s. Prior to that I used to use proper hoist at local farm.

Couldnt imagine me ever using it again orr anyone else. ( the string might just have degraded!) .

So in the bin it went. I still have tools that are older.

What is oldest tool that you have ?
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Andy B on 29 August 2023, 13:40:45
not sure of the oldest but I've a pair of ramps that are over 40 yrs old ... theyre good enough to put my Smart on but I'll pass at putting 2.2t of ML on them  :o :y
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 29 August 2023, 13:48:27
There are plenty of old tools on here!  :)
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: STEMO on 29 August 2023, 14:19:49
There are plenty of old tools on here!  :)
Takes one to know one  ;D
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 29 August 2023, 16:11:31
There are plenty of old tools on here!  :)
Takes one to know one  ;D

I thought a Haltrac hoist was the sort of thing used in care homes to get old duffers like you on and off the bog.   :)
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 29 August 2023, 16:27:22
There are plenty of old tools on here!  :)
Takes one to know one  ;D

Do you have a favourite tool?

For years it was an old pair of mole grips. But now a snarling smoky 2 stroke chainsaw has now taken it's place. :y
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 29 August 2023, 16:36:56
There are plenty of old tools on here!  :)
Takes one to know one  ;D

I thought a Haltrac hoist was the sort of thing used in care homes to get old duffers like you on and off the bog.   :)

When you get to a certain age you can't be bothered getting on and off the bog.....just fill your pants and hear it squelch when you sit down. :)
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: STEMO on 29 August 2023, 16:59:09
There are plenty of old tools on here!  :)
Takes one to know one  ;D

Do you have a favourite tool?

For years it was an old pair of mole grips. But now a snarling smoky 2 stroke chainsaw has now taken it's place. :y
I have a woodsaw which is quite charismatic, but not as gorgeous as my circular saw  ;D
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 29 August 2023, 17:02:37
There are plenty of old tools on here!  :)
Takes one to know one  ;D

Do you have a favourite tool?

For years it was an old pair of mole grips. But now a snarling smoky 2 stroke chainsaw has now taken it's place. :y
I have a woodsaw which is quite charismatic, but not as gorgeous as my circular saw  ;D

A man needs a saw that can cut through human femur bone in case his wife becomes surplus to requirements but wants 50% of everything. :)
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Kevin Wood on 29 August 2023, 17:30:07
There are plenty of old tools on here!  :)
Takes one to know one  ;D

Do you have a favourite tool?

For years it was an old pair of mole grips. But now a snarling smoky 2 stroke chainsaw has now taken it's place. :y
I have a woodsaw which is quite charismatic, but not as gorgeous as my circular saw  ;D

The first time I fitted a kitchen (20+ years ago) I treated myself to a Skilsaw Classic. Still makes me smile whenever I fire it up. Goes through any wooden board like a knife through butter. :-*
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Rangie on 29 August 2023, 18:10:18
Still got the wheelbrace that came with my brand new Ford Escort Mexico in August 1973 so now had it 50 years .
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 29 August 2023, 18:32:00
Still got the wheelbrace that came with my brand new Ford Escort Mexico in August 1973 so now had it 50 years .
You must have owned all my previous cars...

Everytime I buy one, I have to replace the toolkit ::)
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: TheBoy on 29 August 2023, 23:35:54
For some reason, none of my tools are older than 10yrs, 6 weeks......
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Andy B on 30 August 2023, 08:09:28
For some reason, none of my tools are older than 10yrs, 6 weeks......

 ::) ::) ::)

Is it really that long ago?!
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 30 August 2023, 12:23:06
Still got the wheelbrace that came with my brand new Ford Escort Mexico in August 1973 so now had it 50 years .
You must have owned all my previous cars...

Everytime I buy one, I have to replace the toolkit ::)

No spare wheel with the Mexican. Supposedly to save weight and the environment. ;D
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Varche on 30 August 2023, 12:58:17
Omega roof rack and Halfords bike carriers going to the dump today. Only 22 years old….
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: ronnyd on 30 August 2023, 13:12:54
For some reason, none of my tools are older than 10yrs, 6 weeks......
There's an awful lot of space debris orbiting the planet at the moment. ;)
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Kevin Wood on 30 August 2023, 20:44:17
For some reason, none of my tools are older than 10yrs, 6 weeks......
There's an awful lot of space debris orbiting the planet at the moment. ;)

He needed a new garage - well, the door, anyway. There was a piece missing from the old one. :-X
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Nick W on 30 August 2023, 23:03:05
Still got the wheelbrace that came with my brand new Ford Escort Mexico in August 1973 so now had it 50 years .
You must have owned all my previous cars...

Everytime I buy one, I have to replace the toolkit ::)

No spare wheel with the Mexican. Supposedly to save weight and the environment. ;D Definitely saves BMW a few quid supplying one. And gives them the possibility of charging you for something that should be standard.


FTFY :y


And toolkit is what the marketing wonks call a plastic bag with the world's cheapest shonkiest jacktm and a wheelbrace that an apprentice blacksmith would be ashamed of.
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 30 August 2023, 23:19:58
Mine actually includes the tool to release the electric parking brake  :o

Granted, it should have a mechanical one and not need the release tool, but I digress ;D
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Nick W on 31 August 2023, 10:31:36
Mine actually includes the tool to release the electric parking brake  :o

Granted, it should have a mechanical one and not need the release tool, but I digress ;D


Early X5s came with a tool to manually release the transmission from park. It was necessary because the gearbox was made from chocolate, although it looked like it had been ordered from a dodgy website and delivered in a brown paper wrapper. Germans aren't always efficient, as later cars still had the tool, but the mechanism had been deleted from the gearbox.


Mercedes managed a different sort of oppswittery when they went to electric selectors on the steering column with (I think) the E-class which would only shift out of park with the engine turning. So a non-start for whatever reason meant an immobile car. Much communication with MB's technical department led to their bemusement that we thought that a lack of a manual release was poor engineering. The 2nd generation of A-class allowed you to put the trans in neutral, but only for a few seconds before shifting back into park. That's annoying, until your moronic colleague left the winch remote on the back of the truck last night.


Land Rover's first electric handbrakes were notorious for stripping the plastic gears in the gearbox between the motor and the cables - a design Renault admired so much they further under-developed it for the Megane, but that's a different rant. It's a one-way failure, in that the motor is still able to tension the cables but not release them. Which means by the time it's been operated a few times, the cables are bow-string tight, but the manual release looks like something Colin Chapman would have considered too flimsy. And I never did find out why the Discovery buries it inside the centre console(it's right at the bottom, which is a looong way down) but the RR Sport has it under the backseat.


VW decided to put their handbrake motors inside the caliper. Anyone who has ever taken a wheel off a car will appreciate why this a laughably bad idea. And because it's internal there's no possibility of releasing it without dismantling the caliper. On the car. With it locked on. At least most of them were FWD, so slipping an old wheel trim under each back wheel meant you could move the car under its own power. If it was an Audi you made damn sure that you rescued your wheel trims after doing a stealth deliverytm, as their service attitude is taken directly from the Ryanair employee manual.


Anyone who tells you that electric handbrakes are simpler than manual ones is too stupid to find their way out of a £20 gazebo with no sides.
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 31 August 2023, 10:53:48
Its called progress.  :y ;D
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Nick W on 31 August 2023, 11:45:18
Its called progress.  :y ;D


There are several definitions of progress.


The mendacious use is to imply that you mean the process of gradually improving something. This isn't applicable to any of my examples, as they didn't improve anything.


It can also mean moving forward in space or time. This is applicable, but is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Andy B on 31 August 2023, 12:15:32
electric hand/parking/emergency brakes ..... the answer to a problem that never existed.

At least my ML's only goes on when I tell it to & not automatically when the car stops.
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Varche on 31 August 2023, 12:58:00
electric hand/parking/emergency brakes ..... the answer to a problem that never existed.

At least my ML's only goes on when I tell it to & not automatically when the car stops.

Agree. Plus the stupid interlock . Open your door and the handbrake comes on.
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 31 August 2023, 13:10:35
Its called progress.  :y ;D


There are several definitions of progress.


The mendacious use is to imply that you mean the process of gradually improving something. This isn't applicable to any of my examples, as they didn't improve anything.


It can also mean moving forward in space or time. This is applicable, but is irrelevant.

My comment was an ironic one.  ;)
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: STEMO on 31 August 2023, 14:58:47
Wifeys car is only two years old and already I don't like the laboured sound of the electric handbrake when she switches off.
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 31 August 2023, 16:16:44
electric hand/parking/emergency brakes ..... the answer to a problem that never existed.

At least my ML's only goes on when I tell it to & not automatically when the car stops.
Same on the S :y
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 31 August 2023, 16:17:21
electric hand/parking/emergency brakes ..... the answer to a problem that never existed.

At least my ML's only goes on when I tell it to & not automatically when the car stops.

Agree. Plus the stupid interlock . Open your door and the handbrake comes on.
That's what you get for buying a VAG product >:D
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Andy B on 31 August 2023, 17:00:20
electric hand/parking/emergency brakes ..... the answer to a problem that never existed.

At least my ML's only goes on when I tell it to & not automatically when the car stops.

Agree. Plus the stupid interlock . Open your door and the handbrake comes on.

Not always .....  :-\ It'll go into Park if already in Drive, but doesn't always put the parking/hand brake on. In 4 plus years I've never quite worked out when or why it'll put the brake on. I know that if it puts on itself, it won't auto release & I have to release it - that's caught me out once or twice.
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 31 August 2023, 21:01:30
Auto hill hold, but without a button. The S has it too. Great when you first stop on a slope, but not so functional in stop start/creeping traffic as it thinks you've pulled away already and won't reapply itself so you have to physically apply the parking brake to stop rolling back :D

The R had it too, not surprising being a related chassis to the ML/GL, although it had the traditional foot operated mechanical parking brake. The hill hold aspect is done through the ABS ;)
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Andy B on 01 September 2023, 07:25:56
Auto hill hold, but without a button. The S has it too. Great when you first stop on a slope, but not so functional in stop start/creeping traffic as it thinks you've pulled away already and won't reapply itself so you have to physically apply the parking brake to stop rolling back :D

The R had it too, not surprising being a related chassis to the ML/GL, although it had the traditional foot operated mechanical parking brake. The hill hold aspect is done through the ABS ;)
That's what your left foot is for   ;)
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Kevin Wood on 01 September 2023, 07:40:25
Auto hill hold, but without a button. The S has it too. Great when you first stop on a slope, but not so functional in stop start/creeping traffic as it thinks you've pulled away already and won't reapply itself so you have to physically apply the parking brake to stop rolling back :D

The R had it too, not surprising being a related chassis to the ML/GL, although it had the traditional foot operated mechanical parking brake. The hill hold aspect is done through the ABS ;)
That's what your left foot is for   ;)
.. and your left arm. Oh, wait! ::)

What's traditional about a foot operated "hand" brake? :-X
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: dave the builder on 01 September 2023, 08:28:48
Idea for "dragon's den",,,
A mechanical lever ,between the 2 front seats , let the driver decide if the hand brake should be on or not  :P
it could double as an "emergency brake" in the event of hydraulic brake failure  too  8)
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Nick W on 01 September 2023, 09:02:46
Auto hill hold, but without a button. The S has it too. Great when you first stop on a slope, but not so functional in stop start/creeping traffic as it thinks you've pulled away already and won't reapply itself so you have to physically apply the parking brake to stop rolling back :D

The R had it too, not surprising being a related chassis to the ML/GL, although it had the traditional foot operated mechanical parking brake. The hill hold aspect is done through the ABS ;)
That's what your left foot is for   ;)
.. and your left arm. Oh, wait! ::)

What's traditional about a foot operated "hand" brake? :-X


Everything if you're American. Or Mercedes, who have never seen a more complicated solution they didn't like.
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: ronnyd on 01 September 2023, 10:56:57
Idea for "dragon's den",,,
A mechanical lever ,between the 2 front seats , let the driver decide if the hand brake should be on or not  :P
it could double as an "emergency brake" in the event of hydraulic brake failure  too  8)
What a novel idea Dave. Surprised that no one had thought of that before.  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 01 September 2023, 12:08:38
Auto hill hold, but without a button. The S has it too. Great when you first stop on a slope, but not so functional in stop start/creeping traffic as it thinks you've pulled away already and won't reapply itself so you have to physically apply the parking brake to stop rolling back :D

The R had it too, not surprising being a related chassis to the ML/GL, although it had the traditional foot operated mechanical parking brake. The hill hold aspect is done through the ABS ;)
That's what your left foot is for   ;)
.. and your left arm. Oh, wait! ::)

What's traditional about a foot operated "hand" brake? :-X

My CLS 500 had a hand a foot operated 'handbrake'.

Can't say I grew to like the idea. :-X
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Rangie on 01 September 2023, 16:53:52
My mate popped over this morning in his 1962 4.5 litre Daimler Majestic everything still works as it should & it sounds glorious the chrome is stunning,wind down windows which  still function properly & no stupid messages popping up , simply drive it & enjoy it.How many Teslas will still be functioning perfectly in 60+ years?
Title: Re: Haltrac Hoist
Post by: Nick W on 01 September 2023, 17:31:28
My mate popped over this morning in his 1962 4.5 litre Daimler Majestic everything still works as it should & it sounds glorious the chrome is stunning,wind down windows which  still function properly & no stupid messages popping up , simply drive it & enjoy it.How many Teslas will still be functioning perfectly in 60+ years?


Likely more than Majestics, considering fewer than 1200 of those were made in 8 years. There can't be more than a couple of dozen left, and that would include the non-running limousine on a drive a mile up the road from here...


The 4.5l engine is a straight swap for the 2.5 V8 used in mk2 Jags and Darts, which killed a lot of Majestics