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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: tunnie on 26 June 2024, 08:56:49
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Thinking of changing the wifes car for an EV, all she does is stop/start town runs, school drop offs, clubs. Perfect for EV use really, with the occasional longer weekend run off to places.
The price of an iPace are very tempting, but are they tempting for a reason? Little research suggests MY 21 onwards might be the way to go, but then again clubs/forms tend to focus more of faults than examples that are fine.
Was looking at something like this:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202406050429863 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202406050429863)
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Will it fit all 3 kids in the back?
Do you have the infrastructure at home to charge it? If not, that's an extra cost to consider.
How does the visibility compare to the Zafira from SWMBOs perspective?
£19k seems like a lot of money for a 5 year old car.
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Thinking of changing the wifes car for an EV, all she does is stop/start town runs, school drop offs, clubs. Perfect for EV use really, with the occasional longer weekend run off to places.
The price of an iPace are very tempting, but are they tempting for a reason? Little research suggests MY 21 onwards might be the way to go, but then again clubs/forms tend to focus more of faults than examples that are fine.
Was looking at something like this:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202406050429863 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202406050429863)
I had a test drive in one while my XFR was being serviced. White in colour, if memory serves.
Nice car and moderately brisk with 400 BHP.
As you've found out they depreciate faster than jumping off a cliff.
Although £80,000 new, delivery mileage 24 plate cars can be had for sub £50,000. 8)
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Maximum charge rate is low by 2024 standards. Not a problem if you have a home charger.
Range of 200 miles, if lucky.
https://youtu.be/CEyfCcAbtKU?feature=shared (https://youtu.be/CEyfCcAbtKU?feature=shared)
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- Range not a massive issue, as 95% journeys are short.
- Can use my BMW if we do a longer run, as everyone fits in that and done Wales runs with ease.
- Car seats no longer an issue, so opens up a choice of cars. EV's with flat floors mean good space in the back
- Cannot go £50k, but £20k makes them a modern day Omega in terms of depreciation.
- Charger install not a concern for me.
Just wondering about issues, from what I can see:
Pre MY21 cars have 2x 12v batteries and they appear more problematic on forums. Post MY21 they appear better.
Some have had traction cell issues, but they appear rare and would be covered.
Windscreen fault appears to popup a few times.
The cheaper ones are outside JLR dealers, but concerned could be a bit risky if issues popup.
I thought they were like Taycans a used bargain, huge amount of car for the money.
iPace full of nice extras as well, cooling/heated seats, etc.
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I'd always be concerned about the condition of the battery with a second hand EV. :-\
It would be sods law that the battery died on cold dark wet January morning as Mrs T is about to do the school run.............. The day after the warranty expired. ::)
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I'd always be concerned about the condition of the battery with a second hand EV. :-\
It would be sods law that the battery died on cold dark wet January morning as Mrs T is about to do the school run.............. The day after the warranty expired. ::)
They usually come with an 8 year warranty.
My advice......if it is mainly used for short journeys and you have access to a home charger than go for it. I certainly wouldn't waste my time queueing up for chargers that are broken, or won't accept your card or app.
It would be no good for TB as the battery would be flat as a witch tit after 30 miles. :)
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I'd always be concerned about the condition of the battery with a second hand EV. :-\
It would be sods law that the battery died on cold dark wet January morning as Mrs T is about to do the school run.............. The day after the warranty expired. ::)
They usually come with an 8 year warranty.
My advice......if it is mainly used for short journeys and you have access to a home charger than go for it. I certainly wouldn't waste my time queueing up for chargers that are broken, or won't accept your card or app.
It would be no good for TB as the battery would be flat as a witch tit after 30 miles. :)
OK so the trick is to trade it while it's still got battery warranty? ???
Although I guess the residual value is directly linked to the time left of the battery warranty. IE: no warranty=no value. :-\
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I'd always be concerned about the condition of the battery with a second hand EV. :-\
It would be sods law that the battery died on cold dark wet January morning as Mrs T is about to do the school run.............. The day after the warranty expired. ::)
They usually come with an 8 year warranty.
My advice......if it is mainly used for short journeys and you have access to a home charger than go for it. I certainly wouldn't waste my time queueing up for chargers that are broken, or won't accept your card or app.
It would be no good for TB as the battery would be flat as a witch tit after 30 miles. :)
OK so the trick is to trade it while it's still got battery warranty? ???
Although I guess the residual value is directly linked to the time left of the battery warranty. IE: no warranty=no value. :-\
Also, if it needs a replacement PP9 the cost of the new battery will probably be more than the car is worth. Dilemma. :)
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I'd always be concerned about the condition of the battery with a second hand EV. :-\
It would be sods law that the battery died on cold dark wet January morning as Mrs T is about to do the school run.............. The day after the warranty expired. ::)
I think the main traction batteries are fine, they degrade slightly over time but many, many years.
I'm looking again at brand new, but via a work scheme
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I'd always be concerned about the condition of the battery with a second hand EV. :-\
It would be sods law that the battery died on cold dark wet January morning as Mrs T is about to do the school run.............. The day after the warranty expired. ::)
They usually come with an 8 year warranty.
My advice......if it is mainly used for short journeys and you have access to a home charger than go for it. I certainly wouldn't waste my time queueing up for chargers that are broken, or won't accept your card or app.
It would be no good for TB as the battery would be flat as a witch tit after 30 miles. :)
Yeah charging at home is a must and is ok for us, so no brainer.
£5 to fill up as well vs £60.
It means my her fuel bill will almost become nill. Which can be factored into a cost.
Work scheme ones as well are all inclusive, so tyres and insurance included.
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There was a thread on another forum I frequent, and the advice there was to get your ducks in a row well BEFORE you buy an EV - either new or used. The issue being that the cheap overnight charging rates offered by Octopus and the like rely on you having a modern Smart Meter, and a decent 4G/5G phone signal in your area. Also if you want a 22kW charger then you will need 3 phase mains supply - and few UK home have these as standard most are single phase. If you only have single phase you will be limited to 7kW charging.
To get 3 phase installed is not an overnight job - you need the agreement of, and work from your local DNO, may need your fuses upgraded (from 60A/80A to 100A), blah,blah,blah before a 22kW charger can be installed.
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If I had one I could charge it for free at work. Dont really want one, and cant afford one anyway, so its a moot point. ;D
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There was a thread on another forum I frequent, and the advice there was to get your ducks in a row well BEFORE you buy an EV - either new or used. The issue being that the cheap overnight charging rates offered by Octopus and the like rely on you having a modern Smart Meter, and a decent 4G/5G phone signal in your area. Also if you want a 22kW charger then you will need 3 phase mains supply - and few UK home have these as standard most are single phase. If you only have single phase you will be limited to 7kW charging.
To get 3 phase installed is not an overnight job - you need the agreement of, and work from your local DNO, may need your fuses upgraded (from 60A/80A to 100A), blah,blah,blah before a 22kW charger can be installed.
Yes I would get a charger installed first, 7Kw would be enough as each day it would be 'topped up' so rarely need a full from empty. Phone signal good here as well.
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I can't speak for the iPace issues (we didn't go for one as the rear space was a tad small for a rear facing child seat). But I can relay direct experience of using Octopus for cheap EV charging as we took delivery of a BMW iX last week via octopus (my employer's salary sacrifice provider).
We had a 7kw charger installed by octopus as part of the lease deal and they were very good. The installation was a week later then they said it would be, but was still done well ahead of the car coming. To compensate they gave me a £30 prepaid card to use for public charging. Nice gesture I thought.
The installation team were great and hooked up the smart charger in a morning (only about 15mins with the electric off). The octopus charging is all controlled through the app, I simply set my desired charge level and departure time and octopus schedule the charge slots. This means you can get more than the 6-7hrs of low cost electricity. For example tonight I'd run the battery right down and need to leave by 0730 tomorrow, so it's charging from 2200 all the way through to 0730. All at cheap rate.
So far, it's all worked faultlessly and if it continues, will be much more convenient than an ICE car for us.
As for the iPace, I did a test drive of almost all the premium SUV/crossover EVs and it was the nicest to drive by a good margin. Not as refined as the iX on the motorway but a better drive in every other respect.
FWIW I think they're a bargain second hand. :y
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Thanks. Very useful. Cheers for sharing.
I’m with Octopus as well for electric, but my sacrifice deal is Lex and they are not so good.
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Considering Tesla Model Y and VW ID Buzz via work. Their prices are good at the moment, better than I’ve seen for a while.
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As its a work scheme, you dont need to car about issues. I suspect most of JLR's standard silly faults will happen long after your "ownership" anyway.
To make it viable, you do need a charger at home. Period. Also - as I discovered talking to some of the Tesla boyz - you might not be able to completely charge it overnight at home, as most tariffs only give around 4-5hrs at cheap rate (so about 35kWHr - and charging isn't 100% efficient). I doubt this will be an issue for Mrs Tunnie, but bear in mind if thinking of using it for longer days out or weekends away.
I've only been in 1 iPace, with that reprobate DTM at the wheel. My thoughts where that something that big and that heavy should not be able to corner like that. Predictably, it was a nice place to be as a passenger. I understand Mrs DTM loves driving it, and taking no shit off those challenging her at the lights.
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Nice :y
Maybe a missed post, but I’m considering a second hand iPace.
Like Omegas their value sinks faster than a brick in a pool.
£20k gets some very nice looking examples. But I fear they will be riddled with faults at 4 years old.
Via work the iPace is considerably more, due to its high list price. (£74k)
Where as Tesla at a mere £43k list, results in the monthlies being much more reasonable.
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On our scheme, Teslas and iPace are massively different, like around £30 a month.
As a rule, I'm wary of the first year or so of production and wait for the niggles to become known and revised. That said, we bought a very, very, very early XE ;D
2nd hand, all TVs have crashed. Also, look at insurance prices, not just for this year, but for the last couple of years (so you can gauge what it would be after a year), as they look to be cripplingly high, possibly why used prices have tanked - this reason alone makes our schemes if you wanted an EV quite affordable. Sadly, our schemes are EV only, and I'm not yet ready for that hassle.
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TB is correct that some tariffs are time limited, afaik the two that aren't are octopus and ovo. Both give you as much cheap EV charging as you need, with slightly different strings attached.
One thing I would say is that if you are paying for your own 7kw charger install (and having run two EVs without one I would say it's mandatory for a big batteried car), you don't need to pay for a smart ev charger.
We had one because Octopus paid for it. But the octopus app talks directly to the car to schedule charging and apparently can do the same with the iPace. So we could have had the cheapest basic one going, and had the same result.
Also FWIW we've done 855 miles in six days in the car and no public charging was required. I've charged twice at my work because it's free, but I need not have done. :y
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On our scheme, Teslas and iPace are massively different, like around £30 a month.
As a rule, I'm wary of the first year or so of production and wait for the niggles to become known and revised. That said, we bought a very, very, very early XE ;D
2nd hand, all TVs have crashed. Also, look at insurance prices, not just for this year, but for the last couple of years (so you can gauge what it would be after a year), as they look to be cripplingly high, possibly why used prices have tanked - this reason alone makes our schemes if you wanted an EV quite affordable. Sadly, our schemes are EV only, and I'm not yet ready for that hassle.
Surprised given the list price difference, it's about £150/m more for an iPace on SS.
It's around £500 for a Tesla Model Y (net loss) ~£900 gross.
Insurance is reasonable, not dirt cheap like the Zaf. It's around £700 on quotes, but yes they do tend to attract a premium.
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TB is correct that some tariffs are time limited, afaik the two that aren't are octopus and ovo. Both give you as much cheap EV charging as you need, with slightly different strings attached.
One thing I would say is that if you are paying for your own 7kw charger install (and having run two EVs without one I would say it's mandatory for a big batteried car), you don't need to pay for a smart ev charger.
We had one because Octopus paid for it. But the octopus app talks directly to the car to schedule charging and apparently can do the same with the iPace. So we could have had the cheapest basic one going, and had the same result.
Also FWIW we've done 855 miles in six days in the car and no public charging was required. I've charged twice at my work because it's free, but I need not have done. :y
Yes seen the Octopus ones look fairly good for planned charging. 99% of the time a 4hr window would easily cover daily drives.
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It's around £500 for a Tesla Model Y (net loss) ~£900 gross.
Our scheme is around £600 for the mid range Tesla - think its a Model 3, thats all whats on ours - and around £630 for the lowest iPace, based on a 12 month lease. Thats all-in, only costs are electric and any excess should you prang it. Excess is shocking on both IIRC, due to the scheme uses the company's insurance, and both are classed as high risk cars. £750 springs to mind, but I'd have to check.
When the scheme started, the previous generation Tesla was £500 for the P85/P90 whatever it was, which was almost tempting - but my usage would mean I'd often be reliant on public charging points. Made worse by the fact virtually all our office buildings don't have parking, let alone Viral-Jim style freebie charging ;D
I think some of the Mercs start at £220 for EQsomething-or-other, but even as a pure tool, it's too dull to own.
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You inspired me to look - Cheapest Model 3 is £560, rising to £960 for the long range dual motor variants, iPace now over £1200 :o - the latter has doubled in a few months! I shall get on the blower to them to find out why, as thats insane.
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Interesting only 1 year lease? Ours our 3.
Basic RWD only Model Y is £550.
3's are more as it's a newer shape.
iPace was £680.
But these are net loss, not gross, which are always near £900+
Which I'm still cannot justify in my head as an acceptable deduction
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You inspired me to look - Cheapest Model 3 is £560, rising to £960 for the long range dual motor variants, iPace now over £1200 :o - the latter has doubled in a few months! I shall get on the blower to them to find out why, as thats insane.
Someone has probably realised that the depreciation was atrocious before the RRP got inflated to an imaginary number.
You can't have a new car and think you're not going to pay for the depreciation.
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We had one for three years (now returned - 21MY) and it was faultless, it cost us £400 (after tax on salary sacrifice) all in (so insurance, servicing, tyres, tax the works) which is a great deal hence we grabbed it. I suspect many of the 21MY cars for sale are these HSE ones with OY number plates :y
They can have issues, early cars had heater issues and there is a battery cell problem (covered under warranty for 8 years) which can occur.
The 12V battery on early cars can be a bit problematic to (but is not expensive and is easy to change).
Great to drive, and I mean really really good, not much close to it in the EV world.
They are a gen 1 400V system and hence max charge rate is just under 100A and not for the full charge cycle (not an issue for most usage).
We use to get circa 200 miles range in the winter and 240 miles in the summer but, it depends on driving style and top speed (blatting along country lanes is better than motorway cruising).
We were very close to getting another but, decided five cars was a bit excessive so didn't
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Thanks for overview. :y
Anything in particular I should look out for?
8 years is a Jag one right? So any second hand purchase should get that?
HSE spec assume is one to aim for and avoid base S.
Main thing the wife wants is memory seats ;D
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Thanks for overview. :y
Anything in particular I should look out for?
8 years is a Jag one right? So any second hand purchase should get that?
HSE spec assume is one to aim for and avoid base S.
Main thing the wife wants is memory seats ;D
.......and a colour to match her frock. :)
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Main thing the wife wants is memory seats ;D
I missed the memory seats of my Omega when I bought my R Class. If seemed to take forever to get the electric seat back to where I wanted it after being moved for hoovering etc
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The BMW has memory seats, but she finds the car to low to drive. :D