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Omega Help Area => Omega Electrical and Audio Help => Topic started by: cam.in.head on 17 October 2024, 08:48:17
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hi all
my head unit was fine at playing cd's with no issues . i took the cartridge into the house to replace the cd's as id been listening to the same ones for quite a while !
a week later i put the cartridge back in and it does the usual ......check cd4,,check cd3 etc and you can hear it loading up etc.
after which it says NO CD
ive tried it a few times. all proper cd's the right way up and tried the previous cd's too .it ejects fine and inserts fine . doesnt show open or magazine messages . radio and cassette working fine .
any ideas please ?
thankyou.
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Might be worth trying a lens cleaner disc. Probably a quid or two on the eBays nowadays.
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i think ive got one somewhere . maybee worth a try . thankyou
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Might be worth trying a lens cleaner disc. Probably a quid or two on the eBays nowadays.
Yes, that's always the first thing to try :y
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still no go so next on list is to remove unit and clean it manually .and maybee power it up to see if its drawing in all the discs and the laser is operating .otherwise ive heard the lasers are obsolite now ( there is a ebay listing for new ones at the moment ? )
then maybee a trip round scrappys . is it the same unit as fitted into ncdc2013 2015 and cdc3 .
anything else ?
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ok so next observation . in a correct working unit
when you put in a magazine it will check if theres a cd in all 4 slots in turn and then at the end say 1234 if theres 4 in . so if theres none in it will still check as normal and then should say 'no cd'
. so if i put a magazine in with just one cd it should still check all 4 as normal and just report 1 cd in . is this correct ?. if so i would expect the noise of it loading up cd's to be different with an empty slot rather than with a cd in .mine seems to make the same noises regardless how many cd's are in the magazine which makes me think its not actually loading any . when you look into the front as you put the magazine in you can see it expand upwards as it should but its hard to see if the cd's are actually bring drawn in or not ????
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Doesn't the playing arm/laser move in beneath the disc to be ready within the expanded case?
There physically isn't the space for it to be removed from the pile...
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i think my next port of call has to be
remove the unit,power it up on the bench and see if the discs are loading and / or see if the laser is moving or illuminating.
seeing as it was working perfectly until i changed the discs i cannot see the coincidence that the laser has suddenly failed but obviously its possible.
i need to see whats happening inside then decide whats needed.
otherwise a trip to the scrappies next week to see what theyve got. usually have omegas and vectras in so anything with the cdc3 4 disc unit in should be suitable ( lids and vertical pcb retained )
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Doesn't the playing arm/laser move in beneath the disc to be ready within the expanded case?
There physically isn't the space for it to be removed from the pile...
ah ok i didnt realise that. all should be obvious when i get it apart / powered up .
thankyou
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If the Vectra units are from the same unit manufacturer they should be ok for parts supply but the Vectra C is a CanBus connected unit so isn't plug and play and some of the control elements within it may be different ;)
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does that apply if im only using the cd mechanism itself from one ?
all im thinking is there are far more vectras around in scrapyards than omegas and although i inow a yard that had plenty omega bits in finding a good cd unit will be hard nowadays . mind you this all depends on what mine actually does on the bench !
thanks
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You should be ok for the mechanics of it, just tread carefully with any electronic bits...
Compare each component side by side and you shouldn't go to far wrong ;)
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cheers
so please if anyone has the same unit can i confirm that what i think is correct
( or if someone can try theirs and listen to it !)
the magazine itself doesnt know how many cd's are in it .ie it has no electronics or tags .
when you insert a magazine the player checks all the discs and reports 1234 if all are present and correct ?
does it do this by reading each disc index info
can you hear it spin the discs ? i cannot hear mine do this ??? but it may not be very audible ?
all i hear is a very quiet two or three little clicks ?
ive ordered some removal clips which should arrive hopefully before the weekend and then wel see
otherwise ( and if the scrappies cannt help) il be looking for a replacement unit . i was hoping for a reply on here from dave dnd but didnt get one so messaged him at dnd services . he says he cannot help !
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so
fired it up on the kitchen table . the cartidge opens up and the laser / arm moves into each section in steps to check for a disc. as dg said it would.
the discs spin and you can hear some laser movement ? so it look like it is the usual laser problem.
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one more thing to ask curiosity wise .
the plugs on the back (std iso) have the section populated that on a single din unit would be to accept the square blue connector from a remote cd changer ( eg blaupunkt 10disc unit )
are these wired into the car and if so for what purpose ?
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one more thing to ask curiosity wise .
the plugs on the back (std iso) have the section populated that on a single din unit would be to accept the square blue connector from a remote cd changer ( eg blaupunkt 10disc unit )
are these wired into the car and if so for what purpose ?
From memory, yes, and for simplicity. Just because the plug is there doesn't mean that it's fully populated ;)
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i have my unit on the kitchen table all wired up . i also have a blaupunkt 10 disc changer upstairs i may just plug it into the back and see what it does ?
awaiting spare unit otherwise to hopefully swap out the cd module on mine .
i have dismantled it from the box and after removing the top arm and guide assembly can swing out the laser on its arm and tried cleaning the lens . also replaced a couple of caps but still no go . it does its thing but nothing else !
i have a wanted ad up for a replacement or two ( or more ! for future proofing )
last weekends scrapyard trip must have seen 30 single disc units in various vauxhalls but not one single 4 disc unit !
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fired it up on the kitchen table . the cartidge opens up and the laser / arm moves into each section in steps to check for a disc. as dg said it would.
the discs spin and you can hear some laser movement ? so it look like it is the usual laser problem.
I would concur :y
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i have my unit on the kitchen table all wired up . i also have a blaupunkt 10 disc changer upstairs i may just plug it into the back and see what it does ?
awaiting spare unit otherwise to hopefully swap out the cd module on mine .
i have dismantled it from the box and after removing the top arm and guide assembly can swing out the laser on its arm and tried cleaning the lens . also replaced a couple of caps but still no go . it does its thing but nothing else !
i have a wanted ad up for a replacement or two ( or more ! for future proofing )
last weekends scrapyard trip must have seen 30 single disc units in various vauxhalls but not one single 4 disc unit !
Top 1/3rd of the ISO? Its used for all sorts, including phone and display. I *think* the CDC connectors are present, and directly connected to the pins that the ribbon going to bottom half plug in. At best, it would only support a Phillips 4 disc CDC3... ...kinda bypassing the point in your case
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hi . cheers for reply .
once i get a unit to play with and steal the cd changer out of i will experiment with the top unit and see what happens if i plug in a 10 disc blaupunkt unit. i have a few of these as i use them in other cars with a bkaupunkt san diego head unit . if it doesnt work its no big deal !
hopefully my ccr2006 will be ok when i get a changer in it but not got one yet !
last weekends scrapyard trip found many many single shot players but not a single 4 disc one . i have a few other yards to try and also a member on here may have one that might work .
im just 10 years too late to finding loads now by the looks of it !
just makes you wonder what certain spares will be tricky as the years go by ?
glad i got plenty cav and viva slares back in the day . should have done the same with omega bits but walk around scrapyards reduced dramatically in the past few years .
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It wont work. Not worth even bothering with. Best case, it won't work. Worse case, due to the non consistent pinouts to the top block of the 36 pin ISO, it will let the magic smoke out...
It has to talk Phillip's protocol on the right pins, and only 4 disc variants, it doesn't even support the 6 disk variant. Which, in Phillips terms means CDC3's control board.
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hi . cheers for reply .
once i get a unit to play with and steal the cd changer out of i will experiment with the top unit and see what happens if i plug in a 10 disc blaupunkt unit. i have a few of these as i use them in other cars with a bkaupunkt san diego head unit . if it doesnt work its no big deal !
hopefully my ccr2006 will be ok when i get a changer in it but not got one yet !
last weekends scrapyard trip found many many single shot players but not a single 4 disc one . i have a few other yards to try and also a member on here may have one that might work .
im just 10 years too late to finding loads now by the looks of it !
just makes you wonder what certain spares will be tricky as the years go by ?
glad i got plenty cav and viva slares back in the day . should have done the same with omega bits but walk around scrapyards reduced dramatically in the past few years .
I gave one out of my ruined Desmond to Gastrokleptomaniac a few years ago. Don't know if he still has it, or even if it was any good when i gave it to him. :-\
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hopefully he will have seen my wanted ad !
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replacement ccr2006 unit kindly sent from a member on here ( BazaJT)
fitted the cd mech into my existing cd changer and all working fine now.
thankyou for everyones replys along the way .
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Glad to hear the unit sorted you out ok.