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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 24 December 2024, 16:30:55
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£80,000+ list.
£60,000 when I asked just a couple of months ago.
£40,000 Now. ::) ::) ::)
That is seriously good value.
https://www.duckworth.co.uk/used-cars/?COGDealerID=6614&COGFuelType=Electric (https://www.duckworth.co.uk/used-cars/?COGDealerID=6614&COGFuelType=Electric)
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Or it was £40k overpriced.
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Or it was £40k overpriced.
Quite possibly.....but I'm sure a few idiots stumped up full list price.
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When there was a Silicone shortage car prices shot through the roof, are they taking the piss by keeping the prices high or are they now realising people just don't want EV's
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…….or are they now realising people just don't want EV's
And here lies the problem. :y It’s a massive headache for the car manufacturers.
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The Govt. have announced they are to have consultations with the manufacturers about the deadline for EV only vehicles.
Expect it to get pushed back at least 5 years, which will then become 10 years......
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The Govt. have announced they are to have consultations with the manufacturers about the deadline for EV only vehicles.
Expect it to get pushed back at least 5 years, which will then become 10 years......
That's not what I've been reading, Albs:
"Some of Britain’s best-selling hybrid cars will be banned from sale after 2030 under a net zero crackdown proposed by ministers.
The Government favours a strict limit on CO2 emissions that would mean popular new hybrids made by Range Rover, Ford, VW and Nissan could no longer be sold.
In consultation documents published the day before Christmas, the Government confirmed plans to allow some new hybrids to remain on the market for five years after a ban on pure petrol and diesel cars comes into force.
However, the proposed emissions limits are stricter than expected and would mean that swathes of popular vehicles have to come off the market."
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Which will then result in motoring being the pastime of the rich, again. We are only going full circle.
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Boston Jaguar no less than 14 I-pace EV 400 for sale all on a 74 plate ( so Sept 2024 or later) all with just 15 miles delivery mileage.
A cheeky offer may secure an £80,000 car for mid thirties.
The mighty Signum costs the thick end of £800 each year to tax which is a lot of money even for a valuable classic.
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Boston Jaguar no less than 14 I-pace EV 400 for sale all on a 74 plate ( so Sept 2024 or later) all with just 15 miles delivery mileage.
A cheeky offer may secure an £80,000 car for mid thirties.
The mighty Signum costs the thick end of £800 each year to tax which is a lot of money even for a valuable classic.
They're all over Autotrader, for around £40-45K, with very low mileage. Except for this deluded fool ;D
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202410175305891
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Boston Jaguar no less than 14 I-pace EV 400 for sale all on a 74 plate ( so Sept 2024 or later) all with just 15 miles delivery mileage.
A cheeky offer may secure an £80,000 car for mid thirties.
The mighty Signum costs the thick end of £800 each year to tax which is a lot of money even for a valuable classic.
They're all over Autotrader, for around £40-45K, with very low mileage. Except for this deluded fool ;D
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202410175305891
Yep...totally deluded.
It looks like the SE version is £40995.....the higher spec HSE and Sport all £41995.
But that is before 'haggle' ...I would expect sub £40,000....free coffee, and a go on the receptionists tits. >:D
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£39,995 doesn't make it a good idea.
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https://youtu.be/Txinn7ZCY7E?feature=shared (https://youtu.be/Txinn7ZCY7E?feature=shared)
Who exactly do Jaguar hope to attract as future customers?
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Saw one last week for just over £36k
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301032922630?sort=price-asc&twcs=true&searchId=b88960a5-fe99-4065-947c-a93de42ad430&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Electric&make=Jaguar&maximum-mileage=100&postcode=S66%207LF&year-to=2024&fromsra
New Year now, customers will be wanting 2025 models so prices on old stock may drop.
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Saw one last week for just over £36k
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301032922630?sort=price-asc&twcs=true&searchId=b88960a5-fe99-4065-947c-a93de42ad430&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Electric&make=Jaguar&maximum-mileage=100&postcode=S66%207LF&year-to=2024&fromsra
New Year now, customers will be wanting 2025 models so prices on old stock may drop.
They are a good car (for a milk float) and excellent value.
My local dealer now has no less than 38 cars with delivery mileage only for £40,000.
New 2025 registration in March so they may well drop further.
New 2026 Jags will be for 'mincers' only.
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Saw one last week for just over £36k
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301032922630?sort=price-asc&twcs=true&searchId=b88960a5-fe99-4065-947c-a93de42ad430&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Electric&make=Jaguar&maximum-mileage=100&postcode=S66%207LF&year-to=2024&fromsra
New Year now, customers will be wanting 2025 models so prices on old stock may drop.
Jeez, charge time to 100% is 12 hours and 36 minutes. :o That’ll be handy when I pop up to the Lakes or down to Cornwall. ::) I’d have to book an extra day at each end of the holiday just for charging time, as the Holiday Lets that I use don’t have charging points.
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Saw one last week for just over £36k
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301032922630?sort=price-asc&twcs=true&searchId=b88960a5-fe99-4065-947c-a93de42ad430&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Electric&make=Jaguar&maximum-mileage=100&postcode=S66%207LF&year-to=2024&fromsra
New Year now, customers will be wanting 2025 models so prices on old stock may drop.
Jeez, charge time to 100% is 12 hours and 36 minutes. :o That’ll be handy when I pop up to the Lakes or down to Cornwall. ::) I’d have to book an extra day at each end of the holiday just for charging time, as the Holiday Lets that I use don’t have charging points.
But a 50kW fast charger will it to 80% in an hour & 25mins :y
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There is something wrong with that Autotrader calculation.
2.3Kw to 100% = 43h
7.4Kw to 100% = 12h36
22Kw to 100% = 9h18
50Kw to 80% = 1h25
100Kw to 80% = 0h50
The 22Kw figure makes no sense. I think the car has a 90KWh battery. You are much more likely to charge it to 100% at home. So 90KWh/2.3Kw = 39 hours, right sort of ballpark. 90KWh/7.4Kw = 12.16h, again about right. 90KWh/22Kw = 4.09 hours, so should be more like 4.5 hours.
If you're going on a long trip you typically plan to get down to about 10% charge, and then charge them back up to 80%. The batteries do not charge at a constant rate - the charging starts to tail off once you go past 50-60% charge, and the bit between 90% and 100% takes forever. So it is usually quicker to stop again and take two 45% charges rather than one 90% charge.
However, what this really means is that the advertised 100%-0% range of 279 miles is in reality a 100%-10% range of 250 miles for the first stint (starting from home), and then subsequent stints of sub 200 miles (80%-10%), and stops of around and hour to charge in between. And that's assuming the 279 mile range is realistic in the first place, which it probably isn't.
An 600 mile trip therefore typically needs 3 charges, so 3 hours. Most petrol cars can do the trip with one stop for fuel (say 15 minutes), and a Diesel car could probably do it without stopping at all.
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Saw one last week for just over £36k
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301032922630?sort=price-asc&twcs=true&searchId=b88960a5-fe99-4065-947c-a93de42ad430&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Electric&make=Jaguar&maximum-mileage=100&postcode=S66%207LF&year-to=2024&fromsra
New Year now, customers will be wanting 2025 models so prices on old stock may drop.
Jeez, charge time to 100% is 12 hours and 36 minutes. :o That’ll be handy when I pop up to the Lakes or down to Cornwall. ::) I’d have to book an extra day at each end of the holiday just for charging time, as the Holiday Lets that I use don’t have charging points.
But a 50kW fast charger will it to 80% in an hour & 25mins :y
Oh yeh, I only saw the 7KW home charging time, I missed the 50KW charge time. ::) Most Services have a 2 hour limit so it’s going to be cutting it fine for some people. :)
On a decent run, my diesel has a range of well over 700 miles, so unless things change drastically with EV’s I have no interest in them.
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I was at a company a few months ago, and they all get Teslas for company cars...
...which isn't working out for them. They can fast charge for around 5hrs on cheap rate, and at 7KW, thats 35kWH assuming 100% efficiency.
Reality is they are getting about 100 miles range per overnight charge, less if using the motorways, which for most of them means they struggle to get into the office each day (without getting rapped on non cheap rate leccy)
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Saw one last week for just over £36k
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301032922630?sort=price-asc&twcs=true&searchId=b88960a5-fe99-4065-947c-a93de42ad430&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Electric&make=Jaguar&maximum-mileage=100&postcode=S66%207LF&year-to=2024&fromsra
New Year now, customers will be wanting 2025 models so prices on old stock may drop.
Jeez, charge time to 100% is 12 hours and 36 minutes. :o That’ll be handy when I pop up to the Lakes or down to Cornwall. ::) I’d have to book an extra day at each end of the holiday just for charging time, as the Holiday Lets that I use don’t have charging points.
This works if.
1. You have a home charger.
2. Travel less than 200 miles at any one time.
3. Never use any part of the current charging system (much of which doesn't work, and is very expensive) and pay £5 for a cup of coffee and another £3 for a sticky bun whilst waiting for the large PP9 to charge.
4. You own a proper 3 litre straight 6 petrol car, or desirable 2.8 V6 petrol car for longer or unexpected trips. :)
No sane person should rely 100% on an electric car alone.
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And I suspect those would were early adopters, but found 70-100 miles a day was either not enough, or causing battery issues due to regularly taking below 20-30%, have given up and gone back to ICE. And then the arse has dropped out of it.
In these parts, we're mostly either London or Brum commuters. Both of which are 75 miles each way. 7kW home chargers aren't sufficient.
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No sane person should rely 100% on an electric car alone.
They will work for some people. People living in Milton Keynes for example.
As any Keynees here will attest to, it's far too scary to leave MK's grid, similar to Columbus sailing off the edge of the world. Thus paying 3-5p per mile in a shitbox Chinky milkfloat is viable. And given the nature of city driving, the torque characteristics are perfect.
So they have a place in life.... ....just not where I live!
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And I suspect those would were early adopters, but found 70-100 miles a day was either not enough, or causing battery issues due to regularly taking below 20-30%, have given up and gone back to ICE. And then the arse has dropped out of it.
In these parts, we're mostly either London or Brum commuters. Both of which are 75 miles each way. 7kW home chargers aren't sufficient.
Assuming you can charge for 12 hours each day (full charge) that would mean 7 hours of cheap leccy and 5 hours of standard rate electricity......currently around 28p KW hour plus VAT form Octopussy.
Anyone good at maths? :D
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And I suspect those would were early adopters, but found 70-100 miles a day was either not enough, or causing battery issues due to regularly taking below 20-30%, have given up and gone back to ICE. And then the arse has dropped out of it.
In these parts, we're mostly either London or Brum commuters. Both of which are 75 miles each way. 7kW home chargers aren't sufficient.
Assuming you can charge for 12 hours each day (full charge) that would mean 7 hours of cheap leccy and 5 hours of standard rate electricity......currently around 28p KW hour plus VAT form Octopussy.
Anyone good at maths? :D
Assuming 8p per KWh off peak...
((5h * 0.28p/KWh) + (7h * 0.08p/KWh)) * 7KWh = £13.72. Plus VAT @ 5% = £14.40
So sub £15 if you can charge at home, and do less than 200 miles per trip or per day. Works for a shopping trolley and school run mumsy bus.
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The I-Pace is currently available new for under £31,000 to fleet operators, with a 6 month retention clause. JLR and Mercedes in particular are doing very good deals on EV.
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The main reason I started this thread is because Mrs Opti wants her next car to run on 'elastictrickery'. She rarely travels more than 100 miles in any one day. However, she thinks electric cars are the future whether we like it or not.......so presumably it is some sort of economic decision
Quite strange really considering her politics are even further to the right than that of Albitz and TB, and she would be quite happy to club a baby seal to death.... >:D
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......and with the mighty Signum costing almost £800 each year to tax. :-\
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The main reason I started this thread is because Mrs Opti wants her next car to run on 'elastictrickery'. She rarely travels more than 100 miles in any one day. However, she thinks electric cars are the future whether we like it or not.......so presumably it is some sort of economic decision
Quite strange really considering her politics are even further to the right than that of Albitz and TB, and she would be quite happy to club a baby seal to death.... >:D
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Yes female thinking is strange, she had a new MX5 a couple of years back & hated it , now got a 2 year old Toyota Yaris Cross
(hybrid) and loves it . Got to admit that I'm impressed with it as well.
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The main reason I started this thread is because Mrs Opti wants her next car to run on 'elastictrickery'. She rarely travels more than 100 miles in any one day. However, she thinks electric cars are the future whether we like it or not.......so presumably it is some sort of economic decision
Quite strange really considering her politics are even further to the right than that of Albitz and TB, and she would be quite happy to club a baby seal to death.... >:D
I actually agree for some, possibly lots of, people, milk floats are the answer.
They should be more reliable and longer lasting that ICE. They have all the right torque in the right places. They don't need heavy gearboxes and the driver doesn't have to concern themselves with gears and clutches.
Ignoring costs, they have a few pitfalls though. Travelling beyond their range is problematic due to charge times (and chargers and public charge costs in the UK make it worse). Regularly depleting the battery below around 30% is harmful to battery life. Battery and motor maintenance is specialised and time consuming, thus expensive. Lithium batteries are volatile, and even minor scrapes tend to write the cars off as the batteries cannot be trusted not to suffer "thermal events" in accidents, even if the battery pack appears to be untouched. Cheap home charging only allows around 70-120 miles of charge per cheap rate overnight charging. Driving any quicker than miss daisy mullers range,
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The main reason I started this thread is because Mrs Opti wants her next car to run on 'elastictrickery'. She rarely travels more than 100 miles in any one day. However, she thinks electric cars are the future whether we like it or not.......so presumably it is some sort of economic decision
Quite strange really considering her politics are even further to the right than that of Albitz and TB, and she would be quite happy to club a baby seal to death.... >:D
I actually agree for some, possibly lots of, people, milk floats are the answer.
They should be more reliable and longer lasting that ICE. They have all the right torque in the right places. They don't need heavy gearboxes and the driver doesn't have to concern themselves with gears and clutches.
Ignoring costs, they have a few pitfalls though. Travelling beyond their range is problematic due to charge times (and chargers and public charge costs in the UK make it worse). Regularly depleting the battery below around 30% is harmful to battery life. Battery and motor maintenance is specialised and time consuming, thus expensive. Lithium batteries are volatile, and even minor scrapes tend to write the cars off as the batteries cannot be trusted not to suffer "thermal events" in accidents, even if the battery pack appears to be untouched. Cheap home charging only allows around 70-120 miles of charge per cheap rate overnight charging. Driving any quicker than miss daisy mullers range,
Because she is a woman she has very little interest in cars. Colour and badge is probably about it.
Out of her own personal money she is having a home charger installed next week......almost £1000. :-\
Jeeezz what a waste. :-X
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The main reason I started this thread is because Mrs Opti wants her next car to run on 'elastictrickery'. She rarely travels more than 100 miles in any one day. However, she thinks electric cars are the future whether we like it or not.......so presumably it is some sort of economic decision
Quite strange really considering her politics are even further to the right than that of Albitz and TB, and she would be quite happy to club a baby seal to death.... >:D
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Yes female thinking is strange, she had a new MX5 a couple of years back & hated it , now got a 2 year old Toyota Yaris Cross
(hybrid) and loves it . Got to admit that I'm impressed with it as well.
And yet an MX5 would seem ideal for a woman.
Long ago I gave up trying to understand female logic. :-X :D
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How much does a dual motor unit weigh?
Likewise the battery pack?*
Box and Torque converter on the proper car is 64kg. Diff is probably 30kg. Engine is 160kg. So 254kg for the drive train.
Another 100kg for the fuel system including the fuel.
*610kg, so that's a bust ;D
In the interest of fairness, The proper car weighs 1,900kgs and has a real use range of 400 miles.
The £25k price difference buys a significant amount of fuel. About 4,111 gallons in fact.
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Electric cars have been forced on motorists as the medium term future, but I dont see how they can be the long term future.
I would like one as a commute car, as I could charge it at work for free, but they are too expensive.
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Electric cars have been forced on motorists as the medium term future, but I dont see how they can be the long term future.
I would like one as a commute car, as I could charge it at work for free, but they are too expensive.
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I was thinking of changing the Range Rover for a Toyota 4x4 hybrid took a test drive & wasn't impressed but apparently Mazda have a new 3.3 litre diesel 4x4 out at present so waiting to see the reviews on it especially for towing , a lot of the hybrids don't perform well when towing according to the reviews I've read. Electric cars don't fare well at all their range is severely compromised when a tin tent is attached.
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Electric cars have been forced on motorists as the medium term future, but I dont see how they can be the long term future.
I would like one as a commute car, as I could charge it at work for free, but they are too expensive.
And the free charging will soon go when demand forces the prices up.
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We are already banned from charging either own own plug-ins or official company cars at work. Obviously the vans can be.
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I've researched these quite a bit, they appear to suffer with battery cell issues, windscreen issues. The Jag forum basically says not to get one without a warranty.....
They also all slate the dealers being horrific in support, given you must use them and can't use an indie.
Temping by price, but think it's for good reason.
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Everyone on the Jaguar/Land rover forums with newish vehicles are up in arms about the multitude of problems that they're having with their vehicles & dealerships.
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Ours is doing its job admirably, 14,500 miles in 7months and 4 days, so far I've rapid charged it three times, and for less than 10mins at a time each. Our charger gives 100-120miles of cheap charge per day.
The longest journey it does is 195 mile round trip to swmbo's office, which it can currently manage even in winter, I haven't noticed any battery depredation as yet and it goes between 100% and 5-20% on a more or less daily basis.
For us it's a very cost effective way to drive round in a very nice car. 8)
I certainly would buy one with my own money, but certainly wouldn't buy one as the only car in the household.
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I've researched these quite a bit, they appear to suffer with battery cell issues, windscreen issues. The Jag forum basically says not to get one without a warranty.....
They also all slate the dealers being horrific in support, given you must use them and can't use an indie.
Temping by price, but think it's for good reason.
I think most of the problems with JLR*, Jaguars in particular, is the franchised dealers. I suspect JLR know this which could be why they are culling virtually all franchised dealers.
When we left the EU, we took all the current EU laws, and that includes the equivalent of right to repair, so there is no reason why Indies can't do them. Obviously most indies do not want to touch any EV, due to the additional manpower and risks to business.
If I was in the market for a new or near new EV - they don't yet work for me so I'm not - the iPace would be there, as the only other realistic option is a Tesla, and they managed to make JLR build quality look brilliant.
*Aside from the Scottish idiothead ex lead designer, obviously.
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On the independent route for EV maintenance, there are a few starting to spring up Cleevely EV do mobile servicing and (if their website is to be believed) do fairly major repairs to EVs, such as pulling battery packs and replacing individual faulty modules. I would personally use them as they seem to get very good reviews.
They also charge two flat rates for EV servicing - VW and non VW (VW being £10 more) which is a decent indication that they aren't rip off merchants capitalising on the badge to maximise revenues - unlike all franchise dealers.
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Ours is doing its job admirably, 14,500 miles in 7months and 4 days, so far I've rapid charged it three times, and for less than 10mins at a time each. Our charger gives 100-120miles of cheap charge per day.
The longest journey it does is 195 mile round trip to swmbo's office, which it can currently manage even in winter, I haven't noticed any battery depredation as yet and it goes between 100% and 5-20% on a more or less daily basis.
For us it's a very cost effective way to drive round in a very nice car. 8)
I certainly would buy one with my own money, but certainly wouldn't buy one as the only car in the household.
Which electric car do you have, Jimmy?
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Ours is doing its job admirably, 14,500 miles in 7months and 4 days, so far I've rapid charged it three times, and for less than 10mins at a time each. Our charger gives 100-120miles of cheap charge per day.
The longest journey it does is 195 mile round trip to swmbo's office, which it can currently manage even in winter, I haven't noticed any battery depredation as yet and it goes between 100% and 5-20% on a more or less daily basis.
For us it's a very cost effective way to drive round in a very nice car. 8)
I certainly would buy one with my own money, but certainly wouldn't buy one as the only car in the household.
Which electric car do you have, Jimmy?
I believe he has a bmw ix3.
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That must have cost a pretty penny. 8)
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I believe he has a bmw ix3.
Close, we went full on fugly and had the iX
Externally its identical to this one, but it doesn't have the daft interior (we had brown leather in ours). Oh and the facelift version has a round steering wheel, which is... better. All joking aside, I don't *mind* the looks, and by the standards of BMWs that have been released since, shes a real looker! ;D
https://www.motors.co.uk/car-73432884/?i=2&m=sp (https://www.motors.co.uk/car-73432884/?i=2&m=sp)
That must have cost a pretty penny. 8)
AFAIK with the (very few) options we put on it, it would have been roughly £79k list price; doubtless you could get one for much less in the real world. I pay £526pcm on salary sacrifice for a 4yr 22,000 mile per year lease, this includes insurance, maintenance, tyres, the lot. We just have to add electrons. We justified it by going from 3 cars to 2: the evoque and chrysler we had before both did about 36-37mpg the way we used them, so we were spending roughly £300 per month on diesel, £100 on insurance and £45 on VED. So overall it really doesn't cost us much more than running those two did, the £100pcm extra we pay would soon have been eaten up by tyres, servicing and any planned/unplanned maintenance. Although at the rate the mileage is going up I may need to extend the lease mileage limit, so that might add a bit ;D.
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Fugly... >:D
It's true it's looks are more Nora Batty than Hollywood starlet.....but it does have presence. ;)
Great colour, too.
What sort of mileage do you get in the real world before the PP9 needs recharging?
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Roughly 225 in the warm months, dropping to around 205 at the moment, although yesterday as the M6 was unkind, I did my 75 mile commute and got out with an indicated 150 remaining.
That's driving at typical UK daytime motorway speeds 65-75.
Range drops off fast above 80mph, or so I've read. I've heard that driving back from (say) a late night meeting, one could empty the battery in 135-145 miles doing roughly 99mph.
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Roughly 225 in the warm months, dropping to around 205 at the moment, although yesterday as the M6 was unkind, I did my 75 mile commute and got out with an indicated 150 remaining.
That's driving at typical UK daytime motorway speeds 65-75.
Range drops off fast above 80mph, or so I've read. I've heard that driving back from (say) a late night meeting, one could empty the battery in 135-145 miles doing roughly 99mph.
EV milk floats appears to be exactly the opposite of petrol cars.
Great in stop start city traffic, but poor on a long high speed cruise......say 100MPH.
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Roughly 225 in the warm months, dropping to around 205 at the moment, although yesterday as the M6 was unkind, I did my 75 mile commute and got out with an indicated 150 remaining.
That's driving at typical UK daytime motorway speeds 65-75.
Range drops off fast above 80mph, or so I've read. I've heard that driving back from (say) a late night meeting, one could empty the battery in 135-145 miles doing roughly 99mph.
EV milk floats appears to be exactly the opposite of petrol cars.
Great in stop start city traffic, but poor on a long high speed cruise......say 100MPH.
That's a good thing, surely? We all know speed kills. :)
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Roughly 225 in the warm months, dropping to around 205 at the moment, although yesterday as the M6 was unkind, I did my 75 mile commute and got out with an indicated 150 remaining.
That's driving at typical UK daytime motorway speeds 65-75.
Range drops off fast above 80mph, or so I've read. I've heard that driving back from (say) a late night meeting, one could empty the battery in 135-145 miles doing roughly 99mph.
EV milk floats appears to be exactly the opposite of petrol cars.
Great in stop start city traffic, but poor on a long high speed cruise......say 100MPH.
That's a good thing, surely? We all know speed kills. :)
Could you be tempted by a 'leccy car'?
7.4 KW home charger is about £1000.
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Roughly 225 in the warm months, dropping to around 205 at the moment, although yesterday as the M6 was unkind, I did my 75 mile commute and got out with an indicated 150 remaining.
That's driving at typical UK daytime motorway speeds 65-75.
Range drops off fast above 80mph, or so I've read. I've heard that driving back from (say) a late night meeting, one could empty the battery in 135-145 miles doing roughly 99mph.
EV milk floats appears to be exactly the opposite of petrol cars.
Great in stop start city traffic, but poor on a long high speed cruise......say 100MPH.
That's a good thing, surely? We all know speed kills. :)
Could you be tempted by a 'leccy car'?
7.4 KW home charger is about £1000.
Diesel till I die. Shouldn't think I'll have much trouble fulfilling that ;D
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Roughly 225 in the warm months, dropping to around 205 at the moment, although yesterday as the M6 was unkind, I did my 75 mile commute and got out with an indicated 150 remaining.
That's driving at typical UK daytime motorway speeds 65-75.
Range drops off fast above 80mph, or so I've read. I've heard that driving back from (say) a late night meeting, one could empty the battery in 135-145 miles doing roughly 99mph.
EV milk floats appears to be exactly the opposite of petrol cars.
Great in stop start city traffic, but poor on a long high speed cruise......say 100MPH.
That's a good thing, surely? We all know speed kills. :)
Could you be tempted by a 'leccy car'?
7.4 KW home charger is about £1000.
Diesel till I die. Shouldn't think I'll have much trouble fulfilling that ;D
I really can't get into milk float cars they leave me cold.....but Mrs Opti says it's the future and she wants one.
A Gee Whizz is electric (0r is it G-wiz?) perhaps she'll be happy with one of those. :)
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SWMBO is happy with the hybrid neither of us wants a fully electric car if when I change the RR it will be either a Petrol Subaru either a Forester or Outback or a Diesel Toyota Landcruiser but it will have to be one without the Adblue nonsense. Several neighbours of ours have electric vehicles but all are company cars.
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If I can convince wifey to convince her CEO that chargers in the school car park would be a good idea... ::)
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If I can convince wifey to convince her CEO that chargers in the school car park would be a good idea... ::)
EV chargers at school for staff is a good idea.
EV chargers for staff that are free to use is even better. :)
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Roughly 225 in the warm months, dropping to around 205 at the moment, although yesterday as the M6 was unkind, I did my 75 mile commute and got out with an indicated 150 remaining.
That's driving at typical UK daytime motorway speeds 65-75.
Range drops off fast above 80mph, or so I've read. I've heard that driving back from (say) a late night meeting, one could empty the battery in 135-145 miles doing roughly 99mph.
EV milk floats appears to be exactly the opposite of petrol cars.
Great in stop start city traffic, but poor on a long high speed cruise......say 100MPH.
That's a good thing, surely? We all know speed kills. :)
Could you be tempted by a 'leccy car'?
7.4 KW home charger is about £1000.
Diesel till I die. Shouldn't think I'll have much trouble fulfilling that ;D
I really can't get into milk float cars they leave me cold.....but Mrs Opti says it's the future and she wants one.
A Gee Whizz is electric (0r is it G-wiz?) perhaps she'll be happy with one of those. :)
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I think that the G Wiz is the Indian micro electric car , I've seen a couple around London & cheap & nasty springs to mind immediately.
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;(Roughly 225 in the warm months, dropping to around 205 at the moment, although yesterday as the M6 was unkind, I did my 75 mile commute and got out with an indicated 150 remaining.
That's driving at typical UK daytime motorway speeds 65-75.
Range drops off fast above 80mph, or so I've read. I've heard that driving back from (say) a late night meeting, one could empty the battery in 135-145 miles doing roughly 99mph.
EV milk floats appears to be exactly the opposite of petrol cars.
Great in stop start city traffic, but poor on a long high speed cruise......say 100MPH.
That's a good thing, surely? We all know speed kills. :)
Could you be tempted by a 'leccy car'?
7.4 KW home charger is about £1000.
Diesel till I die. Shouldn't think I'll have much trouble fulfilling that ;D
I really can't get into milk float cars they leave me cold.....but Mrs Opti says it's the future and she wants one.
A Gee Whizz is electric (0r is it G-wiz?) perhaps she'll be happy with one of those. :)
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I think that the G Wiz is the Indian micro electric car , I've seen a couple around London & cheap & nasty springs to mind immediately.
It is.
A proper pile of shit. I'm hoping the threat of one may cure her electric car insanity. >:D
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;(Roughly 225 in the warm months, dropping to around 205 at the moment, although yesterday as the M6 was unkind, I did my 75 mile commute and got out with an indicated 150 remaining.
That's driving at typical UK daytime motorway speeds 65-75.
Range drops off fast above 80mph, or so I've read. I've heard that driving back from (say) a late night meeting, one could empty the battery in 135-145 miles doing roughly 99mph.
EV milk floats appears to be exactly the opposite of petrol cars.
Great in stop start city traffic, but poor on a long high speed cruise......say 100MPH.
That's a good thing, surely? We all know speed kills. :)
Could you be tempted by a 'leccy car'?
7.4 KW home charger is about £1000.
Diesel till I die. Shouldn't think I'll have much trouble fulfilling that ;D
I really can't get into milk float cars they leave me cold.....but Mrs Opti says it's the future and she wants one.
A Gee Whizz is electric (0r is it G-wiz?) perhaps she'll be happy with one of those. :)
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I think that the G Wiz is the Indian micro electric car , I've seen a couple around London & cheap & nasty springs to mind immediately.
It is.
A proper pile of shit. I'm hoping the threat of one may cure her electric car insanity. >:D
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They look like a death trap to me.
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They are known to have a very low walk away percentage when crashed
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If I can convince wifey to convince her CEO that chargers in the school car park would be a good idea... ::)
EV chargers at school for staff is a good idea.
EV chargers for staff that are free to use is even better. :)
JLR had accidently done this with 80 of the on site chargers......18 months of free juice was much appreciated, sadly its now been 'corrected' and charging enabled again.
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Anyone with an electric car cn come visit me at work and charge it completely free while your there. :y :D
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They are known to have a very low walk away percentage when crashed
......despite not being able to see the dark side of 50 MPH. ::)
Perhaps they are made from recycled Trabants or plastic pigs >:D
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They are known to have a very low walk away percentage when crashed
......despite not being able to see the dark side of 50 MPH. ::)
Perhaps they are made from recycled Trabants or plastic pigs >:D
I think this gives a good idea of the issue ;D :
http://www.revagwizclub.co.uk/gallery (http://www.revagwizclub.co.uk/gallery)
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Christ alive. I wouldn't drive anything where my knees are the crumple zone!
How on earth are they type approved for uk roads?
Actually scratch that, I bet theyr're like the Citroen AMI ie. not actually a car.
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without the Adblue nonsense.
Is that a deal breaker? It is something else to top up, but no more frequently than screenwash and just as easy. Only hassle is storage, but you are an retired civil servant so I'm sure you'll find a suitable shelf in one of the manor's many outbuildings ;D
Seriously, though, it's not really any hassle. I'll completely ignore the debate about is it worthwhile to the environment, blah blah
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Christ alive. I wouldn't drive anything where my knees are the crumple zone!
How on earth are they type approved for uk roads?
Actually scratch that, I bet theyr're like the Citroen AMI ie. not actually a car.
I'm sure it's safety record is no worse than your average golf cart. ;D ::)
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Christ alive. I wouldn't drive anything where my knees are the crumple zone!
How on earth are they type approved for uk roads?
Actually scratch that, I bet theyr're like the Citroen AMI ie. not actually a car.
I'm sure it's safety record is no worse than your average golf cart. ;D ::)
Now be honest, who here hasn't rolled a golf cart?
I rolled one with my then boss in, opps!
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without the Adblue nonsense.
Is that a deal breaker? It is something else to top up, but no more frequently than screenwash and just as easy………
When I had errr, I mean somebody I know had Adblue Delete done, the power delivery was instantly noticeably improved. I was not expecting that but it was an added bonus. :y
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without the Adblue nonsense.
Is that a deal breaker? It is something else to top up, but no more frequently than screenwash and just as easy………
When I had errr, I mean somebody I know had Adblue Delete done, the power delivery was instantly noticeably improved. I was not expecting that but it was an added bonus. :y
These fellas do it and say it is undetectable:
https://www.yorkshiredpfcentre.com/ad-blue
But.....I wouldn't be confident that an insurance company wouldn't find out in the event of an accident.
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They are known to have a very low walk away percentage when crashed
......despite not being able to see the dark side of 50 MPH. ::)
Perhaps they are made from recycled Trabants or plastic pigs >:D
I think this gives a good idea of the issue ;D :
http://www.revagwizclub.co.uk/gallery (http://www.revagwizclub.co.uk/gallery)
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I saw one last time I was down in the smoke, I wasn't sure if it was some kind of disability carriage so searched YouTube to find out exactly what it was , can't believe anyone would actually want one.
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without the Adblue nonsense.
Is that a deal breaker? It is something else to top up, but no more frequently than screenwash and just as easy. Only hassle is storage, but you are an retired civil servant so I'm sure you'll find a suitable shelf in one of the manor's many outbuildings ;D
Seriously, though, it's not really any hassle. I'll completely ignore the debate about is it worthwhile to the environment, blah blah
On my lowly pension income even screenwash is barely affordable 😂
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without the Adblue nonsense.
Is that a deal breaker? It is something else to top up, but no more frequently than screenwash and just as easy………
When I had errr, I mean somebody I know had Adblue Delete done, the power delivery was instantly noticeably improved. I was not expecting that but it was an added bonus. :y
These fellas do it and say it is undetectable:
https://www.yorkshiredpfcentre.com/ad-blue
But.....I wouldn't be confident that an insurance company wouldn't find out in the event of an accident.
It's a valid point. :y When they say undetectable, I'm guessing that they are referring to MOT inspections. It would be instantly obvious to a main dealer when they plug in their software as its mapped out, so their standard map would throw up an inconsistency. Some vehicles have the adblue requirement mapped out on a temporary basis as parts (tank pump, line heater etc) are genuinely on back order for many weeks on end. It would be unreasonable to expect someone to have their vehicle off the road for months while awaiting parts, when those parts do not contribute to the running of the vehicle.
You are right though, it's a very valid point. :y
Incidentally, the pre-facelift version of my car did not have adblue. Same engine, same bhp, but no adblue. :)
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I would never delete anything from a vehicle simply because of the insurance implications, if I were to purchase a Landcruiser I'd find an older model that didn't require Adblue.
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if I were to purchase a Landcruiser I'd find an older model that didn't require Adblue.
Pre 2016 then, like a lot of other manufacturers. :y
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if I were to purchase a Landcruiser I'd find an older model that didn't require Adblue.
Pre 2016 then, like a lot of other manufacturers. :y
my 14 plate ML350 has Adblue ;)
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if I were to purchase a Landcruiser I'd find an older model that didn't require Adblue.
Pre 2016 then, like a lot of other manufacturers. :y
my 14 plate ML350 has Adblue ;)
I think some Peugeot’s were much earlier than that as well, with a bag of piss in the boot. :y I believe that around 2016 quite a few car manufacturers became aware of VAG diesel-gate and rushed to make sure that their diesels were within spec. I say this because my bmw 4 series from first quarter build date didn’t have adblue but my car from the last build quarter did. Same engine, same style of car etc. Me thinks they panicked about getting busted for the same reason. ;D
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Pig piss came out for Euro5.
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My diesel astra is euro 6, no pig piss.
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Our 2017 Honda 1.6i DTEC, and 2017 Hyundai 2.2 diesel Santa Fe are also both Euro6 and neither require Adblue (horrible stuff...)
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It was one of several solutions to diesel NOx emissions.
Some cars used all of them and some used some dodgy programming.
Mercedes was fitting it from around 2011 in the R350CDI for example.
Apparently it has actually been around since 2007 in certain vehicle types.
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I'll stick with petrol thanks boys.
Pigs piss this and pigs piss that.......... :D >:D
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It was one of several solutions to diesel NOx emissions.
Some cars used all of them and some used some dodgy programming.
Mercedes was fitting it from around 2011 in the R350CDI for example.
Apparently it has actually been around since 2007 in certain vehicle types.
some of the PSA cars had it from then.
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AdBlue need is very dependent on the engine tech and cc for Euro 6, Euro 7 and it becomes a must have (possibly for some petrol's to!)
Plus some manufacturers introduce the tech late and some early, depends on the research schedules and the model year cycles
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Back to EV price drop, a car traders perspective of the EV doom. He’s saying that people who actually buy them with their own money are finding that any savings made by charging them up as opposed to buying fuel, are completely wiped out plus many thousands more on resale depreciation after just a short time. The motor industry is doomed.
https://youtu.be/77vSvkJubrk?si=rV8unobH0C_MSMFW
https://youtu.be/ZNVJmmlMDCs?si=c0mjPhGDTmcleJ4z
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Yes, anyone buying one with their own money for 3-5yrs of average mileage is going to get completely battered.
Stick with it for 100k+ on the other hand.... 8)
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Yes, anyone buying one with their own money for 3-5yrs of average mileage is going to get completely battered.
Stick with it for 100k+ on the other hand.... 8)
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I think his point, as a trader, is that EV’s are not selling. They are sitting around, with 10 miles on the clock, for a couple of years, then being sent to auction and still not selling. The time the ad was placed is shown on Auto Trader and the amount of days that they are not selling is not inspiring traders to even stock them.
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Yes, anyone buying one with their own money for 3-5yrs of average mileage is going to get completely battered.
Stick with it for 100k+ on the other hand.... 8)
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I think his point, as a trader, is that EV’s are not selling. They are sitting around, with 10 miles on the clock, for a couple of years, then being sent to auction and still not selling. The time the ad was placed is shown on Auto Trader and the amount of days that they are not selling is not inspiring traders to even stock them.
That's terrible news, I'm heartbroken for them.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Yes, anyone buying one with their own money for 3-5yrs of average mileage is going to get completely battered.
Stick with it for 100k+ on the other hand.... 8)
Depreciation will be replaced by battery replacement costs.
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Yes, anyone buying one with their own money for 3-5yrs of average mileage is going to get completely battered.
Stick with it for 100k+ on the other hand.... 8)
Depreciation will be replaced by battery replacement costs.
At 100k, doubtful.
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Yes, anyone buying one with their own money for 3-5yrs of average mileage is going to get completely battered.
Stick with it for 100k+ on the other hand.... 8)
Depreciation will be replaced by battery replacement costs.
I've seen Teslas with 200k on the dial as airport taxis and range still good
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Yes, anyone buying one with their own money for 3-5yrs of average mileage is going to get completely battered.
Stick with it for 100k+ on the other hand.... 8)
Depreciation will be replaced by battery replacement costs.
At 100k, doubtful.
Buy the car for whatever imaginary mnumber passes for market value, lose 75% of that in depreciation then after an as yet undiscoveredileage replace the battery for twice what the car is worth or throw it away and write off the whole amount.
Better off putting the entire purchase price on red.
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Just seen an ad for the latest Grandland EV... £435 a month PCP and NO option to purchase. ???
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Just seen an ad for the latest Grandland EV... £435 a month PCP and NO option to purchase. ???
You can pay £33-37,000 up front for the hybrid, if that floats your boat.
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Just seen an ad for the latest Grandland EV... £435 a month PCP and NO option to purchase. ???
You can pay £33-37,000 up front for the hybrid, if that floats your boat.
Er, no. Thanks though :D
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Hybrids seem to be the ones struggling with battery reliability, the Merc, BMW and Audi ones look to get to about 70kish with Prius and similar dumping theirs closer to 100k (probably as most of the early ones were not Li-Ion tech).
But those batteries do not have such advanced battery management and cooling, plus they are lower current cells and driven very hard
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My eldest has a Nissan Joke hybrid. The range on battery is abysmal, about two or three miles. Why bother i asked. ;D
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My eldest has a Nissan Joke hybrid. The range on battery is abysmal, about two or three miles. Why bother i asked. ;D
So he can sneak in without waking the wife up ;D
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My eldest has a Nissan Joke hybrid. The range on battery is abysmal, about two or three miles. Why bother i asked. ;D
So he can sneak in without waking the wife up ;D
......or return home from boning his secretary without waking the wife up. :)
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My eldest has a Nissan Joke hybrid. The range on battery is abysmal, about two or three miles. Why bother i asked. ;D
So he can sneak in without waking the wife up ;D
......or return home from boning his secretary without waking the wife up. :)
Trouble is, when he first got the car, he was too busy showing off all it's quirks and features to his wife that he forgets that he downloaded the car's app to her phone and used her birthday as the pass code...
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God, you lot. ::) ;D
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I see that Porsche has abandoned its goal of having 80% of new sales being electric by 2030. :)
The company now says it will only meet that goal if customer demand for EVs increases, which isn’t likely, so Porsche is reconsidering its plans for future models, and some previously planned all-electric vehicles may be developed with hybrid or combustion engine options.
The company has cited a lack of demand from customers as the reason for abandoning its EV sales target.
VW (part of the same group I believe) have taken similar steps by indicating a shift away from their initial "all-in" approach, with plans to incorporate more plug-in hybrid models.
Oh dear, perhaps other manufacturers will join them. :-X
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I see that Porsche has abandoned its goal of having 80% of new sales being electric by 2030. :)
The company now says it will only meet that goal if customer demand for EVs increases, which isn’t likely, so Porsche is reconsidering its plans for future models, and some previously planned all-electric vehicles may be developed with hybrid or combustion engine options.
The company has cited a lack of demand from customers as the reason for abandoning its EV sales target.
VW (part of the same group I believe) have taken similar steps by indicating a shift away from their initial "all-in" approach, with plans to incorporate more plug-in hybrid models.
Oh dear, perhaps other manufacturers will join them. :-X
The jumped up 'people will by twice as many if we make it more expensive' approach to marketing may just be starting to lose its effectiveness.
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If a base VW Polo costs £12,300 in Brazil. It should cost that wherever it's sold. Yet here they start at £20,300.
I bet they sell more in Brazil. ::)
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Concentrating on plug in hybrids is fine, unless you can't fit a home charger. Then it's no more use than an EV.