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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Terbs on 10 July 2025, 18:51:33
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I predict that 'One in, one out' will not make the slightest difference to the boats/migrants crossing the channel
What planet are Starmer and Macron living on !!!!! >:( >:(
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The same one most politicians do, cloud cuckoo land!
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I think you are right Terbs. Short term it will look like a win and then lapse back to the norm.
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I predict that 'One in, one out' will not make the slightest difference to the boats/migrants crossing the channel
What planet are Starmer and Macron living on !!!!! >:( >:(
Macron knows what he is doing. Starmer is just weak and foolish. :-X
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So will it be 50 migrants returned, France sends 50 more. The returned migrants try again. Uk sends 50 back and has to accept a new 50 ? Biometric cards . Fingerprints and photo of everyone including all European residents.
If that is the case Macron must be laughing!
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Precisely. :y
Macron has run rings around the waste of space, skin & fresh air we currently have as our PM. Just as everyone else does.
Should have sent the little shit back to France in a dinghy, accompanied by 50 or so of the "people" he has allowed to come here.
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" Like the old Danish king of England, Starmer sits and watches as the waves of people wash irresistibly to our shores, and in his self-imposed impotence he is making himself look like a complete and utter Canute. " Boris Johnson ;D
Boris's article in the Mail (https://archive.ph/kHGNM#selection-1713.0-1713.211)
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Lol. That is almost Shakespearean.
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I do not usual make political comment on here now, but I have noted all of your sentiments which I have great sympathy for. But I would ask one question..................
"So, as a SOLUTION that recognises we are a democracy, respecter of human rights, are not a Nazi, Russian or Chinese type state, and do not kill men, women and children deliberately, like slashing the boats out in the English Channel and watching them drown, if you were legally in charge of the UK, and legally responsible for the actions of our Government, what would YOU do? No, what really would you do as an answer to, in fact, a worldwide issue to stop illegal immigration? ??? ??? ???
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The money these people are paying to get here would buy a first class ticket on any flag carrying airline.
Their actions are deliberately illegal and should be treated as such.Their numbers may well include women and children, but innocent they are not. There may be a case for picking up the children, housing and educating them then send them back as the seeds of new generations for the countries they left, but the adults know better.
Nothing that has been done to date has had any level of deterrence. Apparently the crossing itself isn't dangerous enough to deter people.
The people supplying the boats on the beaches should be shot on sight. The people trading in the boats should be held to account.
Sinking the boats in shallow water on the French side, detaining survivors on a barge mid channel might help focus the mind without being too barbaric, but a robust problem requires a robust approach. Human rights shouldn't apply to international criminals.
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If they really wanted to "smash" the gangs they could easily,the amount of intelligence they must have obtained by now would make it a simple task, but the amount of cash the French are obtaining from the UK makes it simply not worth their while bothering, & Starmer & his cronies think that these parasites are good for us when they integrate.
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IMO....the only deterrent is, that, if you know that when you land, you are going to be deported straightway, ie: off the boat and on to a plane, to be taken miles away to some predetermined country, example Rwanda, where your asylum request will be listened to, and if successful, you come in legally.
It was set up, but Starmers lot went against it, even though it eventually cleared the courts. Leave the ECHR to start with, to stop these money grabbing lawyers appealing this and that.
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Not unreasonable ;)
Outlawing Uber Eats/Just Eat/Deliveroo would go someway to cutting off income streams too.
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Not unreasonable ;)
Outlawing Uber Eats/Just Eat/Deliveroo would go someway to cutting off income streams too.
People would riot! :o ;D
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I do not usual make political comment on here now, but I have noted all of your sentiments which I have great sympathy for. But I would ask one question..................
"So, as a SOLUTION that recognises we are a democracy, respecter of human rights, are not a Nazi, Russian or Chinese type state, and do not kill men, women and children deliberately, like slashing the boats out in the English Channel and watching them drown, if you were legally in charge of the UK, and legally responsible for the actions of our Government, what would YOU do? No, what really would you do as an answer to, in fact, a worldwide issue to stop illegal immigration? ??? ??? ???
What I always say should happen. And don't just stop at the illegal immigrants either, there are an awful lot of Brits that need adding to the list. The country is stupidly overpopulated, and we're losing our ability to feed our country ourselves as each day passes, with ever more agricultural land repurposed to house the growing population.
But if I'm not allowed to cull people, I'd remove all benefits that makes the UK so attractive. Lets be frank, no matter how left some people's views may be, even the Corbynites must realise there simply aren't enough rich individuals or organisations to cover the welfare spending, and we can't just keep borrowing forever. The benefits system should, at most, cover short term those that unexpectedly fall on hard times, not be a career choice.
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Seconded.
The trouble is no one in charge actually has the gumption to do what's required.
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I do not usual make political comment on here now, but I have noted all of your sentiments which I have great sympathy for. But I would ask one question..................
"So, as a SOLUTION that recognises we are a democracy, respecter of human rights, are not a Nazi, Russian or Chinese type state, and do not kill men, women and children deliberately, like slashing the boats out in the English Channel and watching them drown, if you were legally in charge of the UK, and legally responsible for the actions of our Government, what would YOU do? No, what really would you do as an answer to, in fact, a worldwide issue to stop illegal immigration? ??? ??? ???
What I always say should happen. And don't just stop at the illegal immigrants either, there are an awful lot of Brits that need adding to the list. The country is stupidly overpopulated, and we're losing our ability to feed our country ourselves as each day passes, with ever more agricultural land repurposed to house the growing population.
But if I'm not allowed to cull people, I'd remove all benefits that makes the UK so attractive. Lets be frank, no matter how left some people's views may be, even the Corbynites must realise there simply aren't enough rich individuals or organisations to cover the welfare spending, and we can't just keep borrowing forever. The benefits system should, at most, cover short term those that unexpectedly fall on hard times, not be a career choice.
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Totally agree 100 percent, if only there was someone who had the balls to do this it would certainly help putting the UK back on track but it won't happen in my lifetime.
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From an article in today's Telegraph by Daniel Hannan.
Consider, one more time, some of the statistics.
Around 3,000 people a day are signed off as too sick to work. The total number of claimants is forecast by the government to go from 3.3 million to 4.1 million by the end of this parliament.
According to the NHS Confederation, in 2021-22, 63,392 people went straight from university onto long-term sickness benefits.
The fastest rise is among 25- to 34-year-olds, an incredible increase of 69 per cent in five years. (Incredible in every sense: such a sudden and cataclysmic explosion in disability would surely be visible on the streets.)
In Birmingham, one in four working-age adults is inactive. One. In. Four. Even at the height of the Great Depression, the proportion in our second city never rose so high. Then, mass worklessness was treated as the most important challenge facing the nation; now, we barely notice.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/12/reform-welfare-or-failed-state-britain-only-choice/
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From an article in today's Telegraph by Daniel Hannan.
Consider, one more time, some of the statistics.
Around 3,000 people a day are signed off as too sick to work. The total number of claimants is forecast by the government to go from 3.3 million to 4.1 million by the end of this parliament.
According to the NHS Confederation, in 2021-22, 63,392 people went straight from university onto long-term sickness benefits.
The fastest rise is among 25- to 34-year-olds, an incredible increase of 69 per cent in five years. (Incredible in every sense: such a sudden and cataclysmic explosion in disability would surely be visible on the streets.)
In Birmingham, one in four working-age adults is inactive. One. In. Four. Even at the height of the Great Depression, the proportion in our second city never rose so high. Then, mass worklessness was treated as the most important challenge facing the nation; now, we barely notice.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/12/reform-welfare-or-failed-state-britain-only-choice/
Ah, Sir Tigger, you have now got to the hub of the issue :y :y
It is not just the small boat issue, but a far, far bigger challenge; the issue of what “our own” people are up to. Not a lot many would argue!. Just look at the NHS. It is run by very good people originally from abroad. When I was in hospital all staff were from across the planet! The doctors, nurses, porters, down to the cleaners.
Then I was in my dentists the other day, where all the medical staff were from Asia and other foreign lands. Only the receptionists were orginally from Britain!
Then, of course, the regular one is the nail bars and car wash outlets; all run by those from all over the World.
Then there is the Amazon delivery staff, who are all of a “foreign” background, almost without exception!
So where are our youngsters? Obviously many are actively in work, but as the figures suggest so many are just on their backsides, making excuses why they are not fit to work and taking welfare payments. 50 to 60 years ago that was not the case as we left school knowing we had to work. We had the work ethic drummed into us by our parents. What the fk is happening now?!!
No, it is not the boat people we should be worrying about, but our own!!
Now I could get very politically right wing, but I will leave that to others ;D ;)
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Boat people - tow the boats back to France and drop them off.
If the French want a fight over it, well they need to remember history.
Young Brits who think the country owes them a living without them having to get out of bed - starve them into a job.
If they claim to be disabled. Tell them Stephen Hawking was the most disabled person you could ever see, and he worked all his life.
99% of people are capable of doing something.
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Boat people - tow the boats back to France and drop them off.
If the French want a fight over it, well they need to remember history.
Young Brits who think the country owes them a living without them having to get out of bed - starve them into a job.
If they claim to be disabled. Tell them Stephen Hawking was the most disabled person you could ever see, and he worked all his life.
99% of people are capable of doing something.
Gets my vote. The French are just operating a taxi service. They should be questioning the prospective ( now punctured) boat people and bussing them back to the EU country they arrived in.for asylum processing. Imagine the Frogs if boat people arrived in the UK and gangs smuggled them to France. I wonder what their response would be.
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Boat people - tow the boats back to France and drop them off.
If the French want a fight over it, well they need to remember history.
Young Brits who think the country owes them a living without them having to get out of bed - starve them into a job.
If they claim to be disabled. Tell them Stephen Hawking was the most disabled person you could ever see, and he worked all his life.
99% of people are capable of doing something.
Gets my vote. The French are just operating a taxi service. They should be questioning the prospective ( now punctured) boat people and bussing them back to the EU country they arrived in.for asylum processing. Imagine the Frogs if boat people arrived in the UK and gangs smuggled them to France. I wonder what their response would be.
It would certainly be a much more robust response than our useless spineless political and governing classes can muster. ::)
At the very least they would demand that Britain take back all illegal immigrants that arrived by dinghy from England, and I've little doubt that the UK Govt would agree to do it without so much as a whimper. :-X
I've seen the occasional report of the odd migrant trying to get back to France when they find life in Britain is not for them, only to be caught and stopped by the British authorities. ::) I think one stole a canoe and tried to paddle back to France. :)
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Lizzie, you miss the point. We're paying for both the workshy AND the boat people.
We can't support our workshy let alone everyone else.
And this is actually bourne out by the figures Steve mentioned...
3,000 people a day plus 3,000 people a day arriving expecting everything on a plate actually equates to 6,000 people a day. Stopping the boats halves the problem. Instantly.
It's not about being racist... If people want to come here legally, contribute fully to society both in work and taxes then that's to be celebrated and welcomed.
The trouble is, the people arriving by boat are largely scavengers and vermin. Much like the workshy.
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It would appear the the French police have started splashing boats as they're launched.
Finally some robust action.
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It would appear the the French police have started splashing boats as they're launched.
Finally some robust action.
Splashing boats? That'll do the trick! ;D
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I suspect its a publicity stunt that wont last.
We shall see.
If the NHS ( for example) needs people from abroad then of course they should be allowed to come, and should be allowed to work on a rolling work visa.
Then if at some point their services are no longer needed then they should return to where they came from.
Thats how most of the rest of the world do it.
As for car washes, nail bars and suchlike.
Most of them either employ illegal immigrants on the black market, or actually use them as slave labour.
Then theres the countless "Turkish" barbers which have spread across the country.
Very few customers in most of them, but it doesnt matter because they are simply fronts for money laundering for organised crime groups, mainly dealing in class A drugs.
These problems and the problems of mass worklessness all stem from the same thing.
Naive left wing thinking, which unfortunately has infested the corridors of power throughout the country, (and the wider Western world) and is in the process of destroying it.
Im afraid I believe we have past the point of no return.
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Class A drugs. One of the huge problems here is the ingress of drugs. Either by sheer volume so the odd million pounds worth seized at container ports isn’t more than an inconvenience to a drug lord OR by ever more sophisticated deliveries eg single use two man 1 tonne of cocaine across the Atlantic. 60,000 euros was the going rate for police chief to Not have police patrolling a part of the river at Seville to make drop off easier…..
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Simple fact is the boat people who come here illegally are criminals, they are trying to kill each other even on the trip over here, heaven help us when they expand their foothold further we will be afraid to go out the door unarmed, (well some will) they have no right to be here and all our resources from picking them up halfway across to actually taking care of them and housing them (hotels etc) far far better than the veterans and others that have and are putting their lives on the line for this country for a pittance. Just to add when it Finally goes tits up who the hell do you think they’re going to fight for, they certainly will not be on the frontline defending our country.
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Just to add…
https://apple.news/AgSRWxhUQQLmcQkUsfmH2fA
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Simple fact is the boat people who come here illegally are criminals, they are trying to kill each other even on the trip over here, heaven help us when they expand their foothold further we will be afraid to go out the door unarmed, (well some will) they have no right to be here and all our resources from picking them up halfway across to actually taking care of them and housing them (hotels etc) far far better than the veterans and others that have and are putting their lives on the line for this country for a pittance. Just to add when it Finally goes tits up who the hell do you think they’re going to fight for, they certainly will not be on the frontline defending our country.
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They are total scum all of them, I was walking through Spalding a few days ago and one who was obviously a parasite was staring at my watch ( worth about £3000) just try it pal I thought to myself and you will need serious hospital treatment.
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Wait till you see Sky News reporting on 7000 Afghans to be relocated to Uk due to a MOD data breach . It is going to cost an eye watering amount. Could be 7 bn ( million pounds each?)
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To purport that migrants are all grafters who keep the country afloat while its just the brits who have been born and grown up with Gordon Browns client state would be a mistake.
Latest figures show that 1.26 million migrants are claiming Universal credit !
https://order-order.com/2025/07/15/more-than-one-million-migrants-claiming-benefits/
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Lizzie has a good kind heart but I think her sympathies are misplaced on this occasion. (No offence meant).
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To purport that migrants are all grafters who keep the country afloat while its just the brits who have been born and grown up with Gordon Browns client state would be a mistake.
Latest figures show that 1.26 million migrants are claiming Universal credit !
https://order-order.com/2025/07/15/more-than-one-million-migrants-claiming-benefits/
You may have misread grifters...
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The Govt has just released crime figures according to nationality, for the first time I believe.
An Afghan migrant is 22 times more likely to commit sexual offences than a UK born person.
If you add up the stats for those from various African countries, the figures are far worse than the Afghans.
Meanwhile they have just announced that 16 and 17 year olds will be allowed to vote in the next general election.
Cynical beyond belief. Brainwash them into left wing nonsense at school, promise them the moon on a stick if they vote Labour, and you have their votes until the reality of life in the adult world kicks in.
They know they cant con enough adults to vote for them next time, so they will con the kids and hope it will get them over the line.
The yanks have a saying "no taxation without representation. I think that should also work the other way around too.
If you havent paid income tax in the three years preceding the election, you shouldnt have the right to vote.
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If 16 year olds are considered old enough to vote, then they should just lower the age of majority to 16 and let them enjoy the full rights and responsibilities of adulthood as well. ::)
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Totally agree, Sir Tigger
Lets be honest 16 years olds nowadays aren't capable of thinking for themselves. Nowhere near maturity
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Totally agree, Sir Tigger
Lets be honest 21 years olds nowadays aren't capable of thinking for themselves. Nowhere near maturity
Fixed.
There are obviously exceptions, but they're few and far between.
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Imo, people should only be allowed to vote if they have paid tax and or N.I. for (at least) three years running up to an election.
The exception would be pensioners who have paid their way re tax & N.I during their working lives.
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Imo, people should only be allowed to vote if they have paid tax and or N.I. for (at least) three years running up to an election.
The exception would be pensioners who have paid their way re tax & N.I during their working lives.
Except most pensioners haven't - not even close to paying their way. Sure they've paid what they were asked to pay, but no way did it come close to what they are now costing.
Given the mess that 18+ voters have got the country into since the war, I've no problem with allowing toddlers to vote - at least they've got an equal chance of ticking a sensible box.
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Ok, if you want to be uber pedantic - paid what they were required to from their wages during their long working lives.
Imo, voters havent really had a mainstream party worth voting for for well over thirty years.
Its been a matter of holding your nose and voting for what you hope will be the least worst option.
Not really the fault of voters, but the fault of the bunch of liars who stand for and get elected to Parliament.
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It's not "uber pedantic" to point out that a certain generation believed the promises of various govt's/parties that by paying thruppence ha'penny per week into a govt run fund it would somehow pay for a comfortable retirement pension, plus all their medical needs as they age.
And now those generations take up close to 30% of all current govt spending (Pensions 11.3%, NHS 18%) and that's not including "healthcare" which is 43% of govt spending, yet they now pay virtually nothing 'into' the system - not that they ever paid anything meaningful into the system anyway.
It's Ok though, because the young'uns will pay, even if they can't vote.
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Maybe it all went wrong about the 70/80’s.
The idea of pensions and nhs post war was fairly sound particularly socially. North Sea oil/gas surely belonged to the country and should have been used for pensions and health. Sadly it wasn’t. National debt is at ludicrous levels.
My guess on past form , is the new generation of voters will vote for bigger pensions for themselves. There will be a forum somewhere in 50 years time saying “ where did it all go wrong” unless by then Europe is just part of a giant gulag.
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It's not "uber pedantic" to point out that a certain generation believed the promises of various govt's/parties that by paying thruppence ha'penny per week into a govt run fund it would somehow pay for a comfortable retirement pension, plus all their medical needs as they age.
And now those generations take up close to 30% of all current govt spending (Pensions 11.3%, NHS 18%) and that's not including "healthcare" which is 43% of govt spending, yet they now pay virtually nothing 'into' the system - not that they ever paid anything meaningful into the system anyway.
It's Ok though, because the young'uns will pay, even if they can't vote.
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I put my life on the line for this country & my pensions don't make up for what I sacrificed over the years, most " young uns" as you put it are barely capable of wiping their arses let alone doing a days work & paying tax, many can't even string a sentence together as for preparing for a job interview .
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It's not "uber pedantic" to point out that a certain generation believed the promises of various govt's/parties that by paying thruppence ha'penny per week into a govt run fund it would somehow pay for a comfortable retirement pension, plus all their medical needs as they age.
And now those generations take up close to 30% of all current govt spending (Pensions 11.3%, NHS 18%) and that's not including "healthcare" which is 43% of govt spending, yet they now pay virtually nothing 'into' the system - not that they ever paid anything meaningful into the system anyway.
It's Ok though, because the young'uns will pay, even if they can't vote.
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I put my life on the line for this country & my pensions don't make up for what I sacrificed over the years, most " young uns" as you put it are barely capable of wiping their arses let alone doing a days work & paying tax, many can't even string a sentence together as for preparing for a job interview , I've sat on panels for HMPS it's like a comedy show the way some turn up .