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Title: Stereo problem - sussed it!
Post by: TheBoy on 21 September 2008, 21:37:02
Been playing radios today...

I've found the reason why I have been unable to tech2 the replacement radios and displays.  Thats been bugging me for bloody months.

Radio, that was a missing 0v (even though all functions worked OK) on pin 26.  Wiring diagram had it, so I must have missed it when I made the loom adapter  :-[

Display was also a missing 0v, not on wiring diagrams, so how the hell was I supposed to know that pin 32 needed a 0v on it  >:(

Still, thats a result :D


Also put the CCR800 back in the tractor, and fixed a monumental fuel leak, which was also causing a awful misfire  :-[
Title: Re: Stereo problem - sussed it!
Post by: tunnie on 21 September 2008, 21:37:57
where was the fuel leak in the end?
Title: Re: Stereo problem - sussed it!
Post by: albitz on 21 September 2008, 21:39:23
Whats an 0v ? :-[ :)
Title: Re: Stereo problem - sussed it!
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 21 September 2008, 21:40:57
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Been playing radios today...

I've found the reason why I have been unable to tech2 the replacement radios and displays.  Thats been bugging me for bloody months.

Radio, that was a missing 0v (even though all functions worked OK) on pin 26.  Wiring diagram had it, so I must have missed it when I made the loom adapter  :-[

Display was also a missing 0v, not on wiring diagrams, so how the hell was I supposed to know that pin 32 needed a 0v on it  >:(
Still, thats a result :D


Also put the CCR800 back in the tractor, and fixed a monumental fuel leak, which was also causing a awful misfire  :-[

Er, I mentioned that relating to the CIDs and the mode select pin!
Title: Re: Stereo problem - sussed it!
Post by: JonArgraig on 21 September 2008, 21:45:15
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Whats an 0v ? :-[ :)

The earth or negative feed...


I'm so going to get ripped for saying this...

(Car's dont have a true earth as such)
Title: Re: Stereo problem - sussed it!
Post by: TheBoy on 21 September 2008, 21:47:57
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Been playing radios today...

I've found the reason why I have been unable to tech2 the replacement radios and displays.  Thats been bugging me for bloody months.

Radio, that was a missing 0v (even though all functions worked OK) on pin 26.  Wiring diagram had it, so I must have missed it when I made the loom adapter  :-[

Display was also a missing 0v, not on wiring diagrams, so how the hell was I supposed to know that pin 32 needed a 0v on it  >:(
Still, thats a result :D


Also put the CCR800 back in the tractor, and fixed a monumental fuel leak, which was also causing a awful misfire  :-[

Er, I mentioned that relating to the CIDs and the mode select pin!
It was your comment that made me check, though didn't think it would apply to CCRT700 MIDs or GIDs as well. But it does :y
Title: Re: Stereo problem - sussed it!
Post by: albitz on 21 September 2008, 21:52:37
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Whats an 0v ? :-[ :)

The earth or negative feed...


I'm so going to get ripped for saying this...

(Car's dont have a true earth as such)
Thanks. :-[ :y
Title: Re: Stereo problem - sussed it!
Post by: zirk on 22 September 2008, 01:21:25
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Whats an 0v ? :-[ :)

The earth or negative feed...


I'm so going to get ripped for saying this...

(Car's dont have a true earth as such)
Thanks. :-[ :y

Chassis earth, or a piece of wire going back to your Negative on your Battery.

Blimey takes me back my first Car was Posative Earth and the car was about 30 years old then. That was in the days of positive earth radio's and TV's, seem to remimber Germanium Transistors (PNP) when the world thougt that electrons traveled from positive to negative!  :-?
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Post by: Andy B on 22 September 2008, 09:13:15
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Whats an 0v ? :-[ :)

The earth or negative feed...


I'm so going to get ripped for saying this...

(Car's dont have a true earth as such)

But most people call it an 'earth'  ;)
Title: Re: Stereo problem - sussed it!
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 22 September 2008, 09:17:04
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Whats an 0v ? :-[ :)

The earth or negative feed...


I'm so going to get ripped for saying this...

(Car's dont have a true earth as such)
Thanks. :-[ :y

Chassis earth, or a piece of wire going back to your Negative on your Battery.

Blimey takes me back my first Car was Posative Earth and the car was about 30 years old then. That was in the days of positive earth radio's and TV's, seem to remimber Germanium Transistors (PNP) when the world thougt that electrons traveled from positive to negative!  :-?

Lol, you can get PNP and NPN germanium transistors as well as the same for SIlicon ones...

As said, no such thing as an earth on a car, the best it can be refered to is a chassis ground and even thats stretching the imagination!
Title: Re: Stereo problem - sussed it!
Post by: TheBoy on 22 September 2008, 11:21:15
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Whats an 0v ? :-[ :)

The earth or negative feed...


I'm so going to get ripped for saying this...

(Car's dont have a true earth as such)
Thanks. :-[ :y

Chassis earth, or a piece of wire going back to your Negative on your Battery.

Blimey takes me back my first Car was Posative Earth and the car was about 30 years old then. That was in the days of positive earth radio's and TV's, seem to remimber Germanium Transistors (PNP) when the world thougt that electrons traveled from positive to negative!  :-?

Lol, you can get PNP and NPN germanium transistors as well as the same for SIlicon ones...

As said, no such thing as an earth on a car, the best it can be refered to is a chassis ground and even thats stretching the imagination!
Its been a while, so I may be wrong, but the very first transistors were PNP only?

As said, been a while - in my heyday, BC108s were about the most popular tranny out there...
Title: Re: Stereo problem - sussed it!
Post by: Kevin Wood on 22 September 2008, 11:34:35
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Its been a while, so I may be wrong, but the very first transistors were PNP only?

As said, been a while - in my heyday, BC108s were about the most popular tranny out there...

Used to play with OC45, OC71s, etc. in my childhood <shudder> all pilfered from old radios, etc.

Kevin
Title: Re: Stereo problem - sussed it!
Post by: TheBoy on 22 September 2008, 11:39:04
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Its been a while, so I may be wrong, but the very first transistors were PNP only?

As said, been a while - in my heyday, BC108s were about the most popular tranny out there...

Used to play with OC45, OC71s, etc. in my childhood <shudder> all pilfered from old radios, etc.

Kevin
My brother used to work at a well known scales manufacturer, and I always used to pilfer all the bits off faulty boards, even down to 1p resistors.  Trouble is, in those days, was finding out what the bits were ;D
Title: Re: Stereo problem - sussed it!
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 22 September 2008, 11:47:37
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Whats an 0v ? :-[ :)

The earth or negative feed...


I'm so going to get ripped for saying this...

(Car's dont have a true earth as such)
Thanks. :-[ :y

Chassis earth, or a piece of wire going back to your Negative on your Battery.

Blimey takes me back my first Car was Posative Earth and the car was about 30 years old then. That was in the days of positive earth radio's and TV's, seem to remimber Germanium Transistors (PNP) when the world thougt that electrons traveled from positive to negative!  :-?

Lol, you can get PNP and NPN germanium transistors as well as the same for SIlicon ones...

As said, no such thing as an earth on a car, the best it can be refered to is a chassis ground and even thats stretching the imagination!
Its been a while, so I may be wrong, but the very first transistors were PNP only?

As said, been a while - in my heyday, BC108s were about the most popular tranny out there...

The first transistor was PNP........NPN soon arrived when it became a commercial product and elft the labs.
Title: Re: Stereo problem - sussed it!
Post by: Kevin Wood on 22 September 2008, 11:48:09
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My brother used to work at a well known scales manufacturer, and I always used to pilfer all the bits off faulty boards, even down to 1p resistors.  Trouble is, in those days, was finding out what the bits were ;D

My Dad did a fair bit of stores-raiding at work on my behalf, and I used to get all the junk they threw out, so perfected the art of desoldering ICs with a blowtorch.

I still remember the look on my poor mum's face when I returned home from school, and then cleared off with her wheelbarrow only to return 15 minutes later with it loaded up with a Tektronix 546. I still have that scope and it still works. Don't make 'em like that any more.

It's so much easier finding data sheets, etc. now we have the internet. A BBC micro and an acoustic modem didn't really cut the mustard, although I did manage to score a set of the RS data books, and a set of TTL data books which were treasured posessions!

Kevin
Title: Re: Stereo problem - sussed it!
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 22 September 2008, 11:52:49
The RS data library was a prize possesion.........and bloody expensive.

Whe I was working at Alstom (13 years ago?), it was the RS 50th anniversary (or similar) of thier catalogue being available and they were offering a magnum of champagne to anybody who had a copy of the first one (tiny little paper back thing)........we found 11 at work!

You get realy bored of champagne after that much and realise just how crap it is!
Title: Re: Stereo problem - sussed it!
Post by: TheBoy on 22 September 2008, 11:57:29
LOL, the resources I had were the Craplins catalogue and an out of date RS catalogue  :'(
Title: Re: Stereo problem - sussed it!
Post by: Taxi_Driver on 22 September 2008, 13:14:04
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The RS data library was a prize possesion.........and bloody expensive.

Whe I was working at Alstom (13 years ago?), it was the RS 50th anniversary (or similar) of thier catalogue being available and they were offering a magnum of champagne to anybody who had a copy of the first one (tiny little paper back thing)........we found 11 at work!

You get realy bored of champagne after that much and realise just how crap it is!

Think ive still got a set somewhere......2 red A4 binders iirc....unless I chucked them out  :-/
Title: Re: Stereo problem - sussed it!
Post by: Kevin Wood on 22 September 2008, 13:22:30
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The RS data library was a prize possesion.........and bloody expensive.

Whe I was working at Alstom (13 years ago?), it was the RS 50th anniversary (or similar) of thier catalogue being available and they were offering a magnum of champagne to anybody who had a copy of the first one (tiny little paper back thing)........we found 11 at work!

You get realy bored of champagne after that much and realise just how crap it is!

Think ive still got a set somewhere......2 red A4 binders iirc....unless I chucked them out  :-/

That's the one. :y

Kevin
Title: Re: Stereo problem - sussed it!
Post by: jereboam on 22 September 2008, 14:50:57
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A BBC micro and an acoustic modem didn't really cut the mustard,
Is my memory playing tricks, or was there at one point a software/hardware kit you could get for the BBC micro which would let you use it as limited functionality oscilloscope?
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Post by: Kevin Wood on 22 September 2008, 17:30:23
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A BBC micro and an acoustic modem didn't really cut the mustard,
Is my memory playing tricks, or was there at one point a software/hardware kit you could get for the BBC micro which would let you use it as limited functionality oscilloscope?

It had analogue inputs but the conversion rate was too slow to do anything serious with - other than watch the weather. I do have a feeling someone made an external fast analogue interface, though.

Kevin
Title: Re: Stereo problem - sussed it!
Post by: TheBoy on 22 September 2008, 18:35:45
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A BBC micro and an acoustic modem didn't really cut the mustard,
Is my memory playing tricks, or was there at one point a software/hardware kit you could get for the BBC micro which would let you use it as limited functionality oscilloscope?
Yup, but it was shite
Title: Re: Stereo problem - sussed it!
Post by: TheBoy on 22 September 2008, 18:37:01
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A BBC micro and an acoustic modem didn't really cut the mustard,
Is my memory playing tricks, or was there at one point a software/hardware kit you could get for the BBC micro which would let you use it as limited functionality oscilloscope?

It had analogue inputs but the conversion rate was too slow to do anything serious with - other than watch the weather. I do have a feeling someone made an external fast analogue interface, though.

Kevin
We had some stuff that plugged into the 'tube' (think thats what it was called) port that made it pretty good (for its time)