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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Nickbat on 24 September 2008, 23:23:51
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She's just moved up from Rainbows to Brownies. Today, I read the following:
http://www.ecorazzi.com/2008/09/24/emma-thompson-encourages-uk-girls-to-become-climate-champions/
Notice the link to Friends of the Earth where, on it's homepage it implores readers to get the government to "improve" the Climate Bill by raise the 2050 target to at least 80% by 2050, not 60% as the Bill currently says. and to include emissions from all sectors since the Bill allows the Government to exclude our share of international aviation and shipping emissions.
Er, hello? THAT'S POLITICS
Here's the Guiding page:
http://www.girlguiding.org.uk/changingtheworld/p_friends_of_the_earth_info.html
See the bit on the right-hand side about "How to write to your MP"
I do not want my 7 year-old indoctrinated by a political organisation. I thought the Brownies were all about have a happy time with friends round a campfire and helping little old ladies.
I'm seething. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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She's just moved up from Rainbows to Brownies. Today, I read the following:
http://www.ecorazzi.com/2008/09/24/emma-thompson-encourages-uk-girls-to-become-climate-champions/
Notice the link to Friends of the Earth where, on it's homepage it implores readers to get the government to "improve" the Climate Bill by raise the 2050 target to at least 80% by 2050, not 60% as the Bill currently says. and to include emissions from all sectors since the Bill allows the Government to exclude our share of international aviation and shipping emissions.
Er, hello? THAT'S POLITICS
Here's the Guiding page:
http://www.girlguiding.org.uk/changingtheworld/p_friends_of_the_earth_info.html
See the bit on the right-hand side about "How to write to your MP"
I do not want my 7 year-old indoctrinated by a political organisation. I thought the Brownies were all about have a happy time with friends round a campfire and helping little old ladies.
I'm seething. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Yes, I think I must agree Nickbat!! :y :y :y
As much as I personally love to encourage adults to be interested in politics, I do draw the line with girls in the Brownies / Guides / Scoutes whatever! Politics should come later. :(
This has nasty echo's of say the Nazis youth movements, with politics involving kids directly. Personally I think this is unhealthy and they should learn far more practicle skills as you say, or just simply have fun! :D :D ;)
That's what all of us wanted at seven! Why does modern society want to wipe out childhood at such an early age? >:( >:( >:( >:(
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She's just moved up from Rainbows to Brownies. Today, I read the following:
http://www.ecorazzi.com/2008/09/24/emma-thompson-encourages-uk-girls-to-become-climate-champions/
Notice the link to Friends of the Earth where, on it's homepage it implores readers to get the government to "improve" the Climate Bill by raise the 2050 target to at least 80% by 2050, not 60% as the Bill currently says. and to include emissions from all sectors since the Bill allows the Government to exclude our share of international aviation and shipping emissions.
Er, hello? THAT'S POLITICS
Here's the Guiding page:
http://www.girlguiding.org.uk/changingtheworld/p_friends_of_the_earth_info.html
See the bit on the right-hand side about "How to write to your MP"
I do not want my 7 year-old indoctrinated by a political organisation. I thought the Brownies were all about have a happy time with friends round a campfire and helping little old ladies.
I'm seething. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Yes, I think I must agree Nickbat!! :y :y :y
As much as I personally love to encourage adults to be interested in politics, I do draw the line with girls in the Guides / Scoutes whatever! Politics should come later. :(
This has nasty echo's of say the Nazis youth movements, with politics involving kids directly. Personally I think this is unhealthy and they should learn far more practicle skills as you say, or just simply have fun! :D :D ;)
That's what all of us wanted at seven! Why does modern society want to wipe out childhood at such an early age? >:( >:( >:( >:(
Spot on, Lizzie. :y
Not acceptable, in my book.
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My daughter is in the Brownies, I will keep an eye on what she is doing, I think they will be doing things like this in school anyway :(
I will ask my Boss about this, she is a Brown Owl, interesting it is the Guiding movement and not the Scouting movement, always thought she would be better off in the Cubs anyway. As an ex Akela ;D
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I agree, I think this is a step too far, I think its about time we just let kids be kids. Why should they worry about taxes and the environment and the likes?
It makes my blood boil, its like I constantly hear about child obesity and they should be out getting excersize. If this is the case why has every council up and down the country put up signs saying NO BALL GAMES everywhere? All the green spaces are being built on and the roads are no place to play.
Round here groups of more than 5 kids are broken up and moved on by the police, kinda buggers a game of 5-a-side...
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this climate change [was global warming until it didnt get hotter!] brainwashing is getting beyond a joke, the government promote this unproven subject for their own gain in the way of green taxes, & the yoghurt knitters [friends of the earth] are just anti car fanatics thatll believe anything that suits them, NICKBAT you are right in what youve done, perhaps a word to the rest of the parents is in order.
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wait until shes eleven and stick her in the Air Cadets. I had a fantastic time flying planes and gliders, learnt how to shoot, went on team building exercises, made great friends and even went on some air experience flights with airlines around europe :y
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wait until shes eleven and stick her in the Air Cadets. I had a fantastic time flying planes and gliders, learnt how to shoot, went on team building exercises, made great friends and even went on some air experience flights with airlines around europe :y
......Oh bum!
I was in the Girl-Guides and all we did was sing, bake cakes and visit old folks! :(
The flying came later! ;)
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She's just moved up from Rainbows to Brownies. Today, I read the following:
http://www.ecorazzi.com/2008/09/24/emma-thompson-encourages-uk-girls-to-become-climate-champions/
Notice the link to Friends of the Earth where, on it's homepage it implores readers to get the government to "improve" the Climate Bill by raise the 2050 target to at least 80% by 2050, not 60% as the Bill currently says. and to include emissions from all sectors since the Bill allows the Government to exclude our share of international aviation and shipping emissions.
Er, hello? THAT'S POLITICS
Here's the Guiding page:
http://www.girlguiding.org.uk/changingtheworld/p_friends_of_the_earth_info.html
See the bit on the right-hand side about "How to write to your MP"
I do not want my 7 year-old indoctrinated by a political organisation. I thought the Brownies were all about have a happy time with friends round a campfire and helping little old ladies.
I'm seething. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I wouldn't even worry about it, the real ground level scout/guide movement is so far removed from the dis-jointed central section that it will have zero impact!
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upsetting your daughter because of that?
thank god you're not my parent.
and frankly, educating and increasing awareness of environmental and social issues that actually matter , while having fun, is damn good way of trying to ensure that future generations have more respect and consideration for each other and the world we live in. and far more likely to be effective than what passes for school these days....
my daughter , having been through rainbows and brownies, will be staying in guides ....
these organisations are about CARING.
and anyone should consider that a good thing.
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I agree with MaxV6 - kids should have as broad an education as possible then let them make more informed decisions :y
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upsetting your daughter because of that?
thank god you're not my parent.
and frankly, educating and increasing awareness of environmental and social issues that actually matter , while having fun, is darn good way of trying to ensure that future generations have more respect and consideration for each other and the world we live in. and far more likely to be effective than what passes for school these days....
my daughter , having been through rainbows and brownies, will be staying in guides ....
these organisations are about CARING.
and anyone should consider that a good thing.
I find your insinuation that I am a poor parent highly offensive. >:( >:( >:( >:(
As far as the environment is concerned, there is a huge gulf between education and propaganda.
"It is a shocking indictment of science as it is now presented by the media, (including some of the worlds leading national broadcast channels, like the ABC and the BBC) that pupils are forced to base their future hopes and fears on what are no more than a pack of computer driven scenarios. There is no scientific evidence that rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide will cause all the catastrophes they talk about.
Even worse for in a recent survey 41% of children questioned said they were losing sleep due to the man-made global warming scare. Is that acceptable given the entire scare is based solely on politically funded computer models which can be programmed to suggest whatever politicians require?
Mind you those same politicians are so worried that the truth will out that they are doing everything in their power and a lot that isn’t, to erode the roots and the routes of democracy before their term of office comes to an end. "
Not my words, but those of Prof. David Bellamy, OBE., BSc., PhD., Hon; FLS,. DSC., DUniv., C.Biol., FIBiol., FRIN., one of the most prominent caring conservationists you wish for, and one with whom I share many views.
See: http://www.nzcpr.com/guest81.htm
Friends of the Earth are an agitprop organisation who clearly wish to affect government policy on issues such as coal-fired power stations, - the lack of which may well, in the future, cause widespread electricity shortages and consequent hardship. Is that caring?
The guides should NOT have any official involvement with any organisation which peddles a particular political viewpoint.
And as for upsetting my daughter - who are you to say she would be upset? I actually don't find her desperately enthusiastic about Brownies. I have not taken any decisions as yet, but were I to do so they would be taken with her best interests at heart. For the time being, she will carry on attending. If the moment arrives that Friends of the Earth get involved at a local level (which Mark thinks is unlikely), I will raise merry hell. >:(
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wait until shes eleven and stick her in the Air Cadets. I had a fantastic time flying planes and gliders, learnt how to shoot, went on team building exercises, made great friends and even went on some air experience flights with airlines around europe :y
Me too, I had an excellent time there, I even stayed on as a staff member for a while until work and family life took over.
What Sqdn were you in I was in 2282 somer and 215 Swansea
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upsetting your daughter because of that?
thank god you're not my parent.
and frankly, educating and increasing awareness of environmental and social issues that actually matter , while having fun, is darn good way of trying to ensure that future generations have more respect and consideration for each other and the world we live in. and far more likely to be effective than what passes for school these days....
my daughter , having been through rainbows and brownies, will be staying in guides ....
these organisations are about CARING.
and anyone should consider that a good thing.
Max, to date no one has been able to provide 100% irrefutable evidence to prove that climate change is a direct result of mans behavour, until such time i firmly believe that personal opinion should be just that and teaching should be based around the 'possibility that we are contributing to'
I really hate it when people (famous or otherwise) try to ram their view down others throats in the way Ms Thompson has done here, she is entitled to her views and i fully respect that, i do however believe she is abusing her rights by doing what she does.....Mr McCartney is another who falls foul as far as i am concerned, but his are other 'humanitarian' issues.
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upsetting your daughter because of that?
thank god you're not my parent.
and frankly, educating and increasing awareness of environmental and social issues that actually matter , while having fun, is darn good way of trying to ensure that future generations have more respect and consideration for each other and the world we live in. and far more likely to be effective than what passes for school these days....
my daughter , having been through rainbows and brownies, will be staying in guides ....
these organisations are about CARING.
and anyone should consider that a good thing.
I find your insinuation that I am a poor parent highly offensive. >:( >:( >:( >:(
As far as the environment is concerned, there is a huge gulf between education and propaganda.
"It is a shocking indictment of science as it is now presented by the media, (including some of the worlds leading national broadcast channels, like the ABC and the BBC) that pupils are forced to base their future hopes and fears on what are no more than a pack of computer driven scenarios. There is no scientific evidence that rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide will cause all the catastrophes they talk about.
Even worse for in a recent survey 41% of children questioned said they were losing sleep due to the man-made global warming scare. Is that acceptable given the entire scare is based solely on politically funded computer models which can be programmed to suggest whatever politicians require?
Mind you those same politicians are so worried that the truth will out that they are doing everything in their power and a lot that isn’t, to erode the roots and the routes of democracy before their term of office comes to an end. "
Not my words, but those of Prof. David Bellamy, OBE., BSc., PhD., Hon; FLS,. DSC., DUniv., C.Biol., FIBiol., FRIN., one of the most prominent caring conservationists you wish for, and one with whom I share many views.
See: http://www.nzcpr.com/guest81.htm
Friends of the Earth are an agitprop organisation who clearly wish to affect government policy on issues such as coal-fired power stations, - the lack of which may well, in the future, cause widespread electricity shortages and consequent hardship. Is that caring?
The guides should NOT have any official involvement with any organisation which peddles a particular political viewpoint.
And as for upsetting my daughter - who are you to say she would be upset? I actually don't find her desperately enthusiastic about Brownies. I have not taken any decisions as yet, but were I to do so they would be taken with her best interests at heart. For the time being, she will carry on attending. If the moment arrives that Friends of the Earth get involved at a local level (which Mark thinks is unlikely), I will raise merry hell. >:(
I agree again with you Nickbat 100% :y :y :y
Gobal warming is taking place, but it has all taken place before and scientist have now established that nature itself has and can adjust the world's climate dramatically within days, either by + or - 5 degrees C, after studying thoroughly core ice samples taken from the Artic / Greenland area. 8-) 8-)
What actual effect man is having on the climate is the big question which has yet to be properly answered, but our activities seem to pale into insignificance compared to natures our contribution to it as an historic fact. ;)
However I agree we should all be doing our bit to save resource and limiting carbon production as much as possible, and teaching our children to do likewise! :y :y
But is it necessary for 7 year old Brownies to be so involved and fed politically generated information independant of parental control instead of just enjoying their childhood for as long as possible?? :-/ :-/
I personally think not. First we, the adults / parents / grandparents should do more to sort out any environmental mess we have, and yes we all could do a lot more, but like with sex education, let's just let our children have their childhood until their parents believe it is right to go onto the next step. :y
Political indocrination in a subject that has yet to be scientifically proved should not be sublimly injected into our childrens lives just yet! ;)
Just my opinion of course, but one I strongly hold dear too. :y
I mentioned it before, the Nazis Youth movement "educated" their children in this way believing it was all sound Governmental advice and guidance!!!! >:( >:( I am not suggesting that the current situation is so sinister as that example, but we should be very cautious of such 'intitiatives'. ;)
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I think the solution is to take your kids out of Guides/Scouts etc and send them all to French bording schools instead.
That way they'll be ideally placed for when the French finally manage to buy the entire country out from under the government's nose. ::)
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wait until shes eleven and stick her in the Air Cadets. I had a fantastic time flying planes and gliders, learnt how to shoot, went on team building exercises, made great friends and even went on some air experience flights with airlines around europe :y
Me too!! :y :y
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From what I remember of the 6 weeks or so I stuck it in the cubs before deciding it wasn't for me there was also a strong christian influence. "To do my duty to God and the Queen", etc...
On the face of it that's no different - teaching a belief which has no concrete proof in fact - and I remember having schoolfriends whose parents kept them away from the scout movement because they didn't believe in that.
I think you have to keep an eye on things. You have to balance your principles against what your daughter will miss out on if she doesn't go.
Kevin
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I've read this thread with interest, some interesting views. My opinion is let children be children,and enjoy it whilst they can, as they grow up very quickly and have to face up to the adult world far to soon nowadays. :(