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Title: The last throws of a desperate man
Post by: Jay w on 03 October 2008, 13:14:34
twice resigned, and they still ask him back unelected  >:( >:(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7650013.stm

Can't see Labour making the next election
Title: Re: The last throws of a desperate man
Post by: waspy on 03 October 2008, 13:26:05
Stupid idiotic arses. Don't these people ever learn >:(
Title: Re: The last throws of a desperate man
Post by: Kevin Wood on 03 October 2008, 13:51:25
Just when we thought it couldn't get any worse... ::)
Title: Re: The last throws of a desperate man
Post by: unlucky alf on 03 October 2008, 14:15:40
all theives stick together >:(
Title: Re: The last throws of a desperate man
Post by: Kevin Wood on 03 October 2008, 14:21:45
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In another surprise move, a new department of energy and climate will be created, to be headed by former Cabinet Office minister Ed Miliband.

Oh, good, another "Department of bullshit, extortion and civil service job creation".  >:(

Kevin
Title: Re: The last throws of a desperate man
Post by: Nickbat on 03 October 2008, 14:27:43
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In another surprise move, a new department of energy and climate will be created, to be headed by former Cabinet Office minister Ed Miliband.

Oh, good, another "Department of bullshit, extortion and civil service job creation".  >:(

Kevin

Yes, Kevin, Ed Milliband, who said in July 1998 (in an address to the Compass Group):

Take the issue of climate change, the biggest threat to humankind that we face. How can progressive politics address the issue? Fundamentally, it is about government shaping markets. It is about government's role in ensuring that we control the big forces that exist in our society, like climate change, and the protection of the next generation.

And the new carbon budgets that we are planning will have profound effects on government. That's why we need to have a manifesto that thinks radically about our energy policy, our transport policy, our urban policy - and also about our economic policy. Because we see in economics today, with the oil price as it is, economics and environmentalism coming together. That means thinking very hard and very seriously about the alternatives to oil, but it also means thinking very seriously about how we can be ahead with the green economy of the future.

(My emphasis added)

Big Brother riding the green bandwagon. A dangerous situation!  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: The last throws of a desperate man
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 03 October 2008, 15:45:06
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twice resigned, and they still ask him back unelected  >:( >:(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7650013.stm

Can't see Labour making the next election

Oh yes Jay you are right!! :y :y

Gordon Brown, a desperate man, has run out of ideas, running out of time, and certainly running out of any form of popularity fast!! ::) ::) ::)

Good bye GB!! :y :y :y :y
Title: Re: The last throws of a desperate man
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 03 October 2008, 15:48:28
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In another surprise move, a new department of energy and climate will be created, to be headed by former Cabinet Office minister Ed Miliband.

Oh, good, another "Department of bullshit, extortion and civil service job creation".  >:(

Kevin

Yes, Kevin, Ed Milliband, who said in July 1998 (in an address to the Compass Group):

Take the issue of climate change, the biggest threat to humankind that we face. How can progressive politics address the issue? Fundamentally, it is about government shaping markets. It is about government's role in ensuring that we control the big forces that exist in our society, like climate change, and the protection of the next generation.

And the new carbon budgets that we are planning will have profound effects on government. That's why we need to have a manifesto that thinks radically about our energy policy, our transport policy, our urban policy - and also about our economic policy. Because we see in economics today, with the oil price as it is, economics and environmentalism coming together. That means thinking very hard and very seriously about the alternatives to oil, but it also means thinking very seriously about how we can be ahead with the green economy of the future.

(My emphasis added)

Big Brother riding the green bandwagon. A dangerous situation!  >:( >:( >:(

Indeed Nick :y :y and it is all retoric, no substance, no action and certainly no support from the people because they are who they are; Gordon Brown's Government! >:( >:( >:( >:(

Gordon Brown OUT! OUT! OUT! OUT!.......Labour OUT! OUT! OUT! OUT!  :y :y :y :y :y :y  
Title: Re: The last throws of a desperate man
Post by: Auto Addict on 03 October 2008, 17:19:04
I see Maggie B's in charge of housing, wise choice as she tows a caravan ::)
Title: Re: The last throws of a desperate man
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 03 October 2008, 17:32:01
I note GB has kept  David Miliband on as Foreign Secretary. ::) ::) ::)

"You keep your friends close, but your enemies even closer" comes to mind! :D :D :D :D ;)  

Title: Re: The last throws of a desperate man
Post by: LaserLance on 03 October 2008, 18:08:37
retract that statement i have as its not pc really
Title: Re: The last throws of a desperate man
Post by: Martin_1962 on 03 October 2008, 18:30:35
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And the worst thing is he isnt a elected person so they have to make him a Lord , more like a queen (alledegly) but thats another story  ;) Just shows how far you can by fiddleling your morgage and having friends in influential places , you or I did it we'ed doind time at her majestys pleasure


That sounds very dodgy
Title: Re: The last throws of a desperate man
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 03 October 2008, 19:49:59
Don't underestimate Peter Mandleson ..".he has come from behind before.".......Oops sorry bad Queer joke. :y :y :y
Title: Re: The last throws of a desperate man
Post by: Jay w on 03 October 2008, 19:58:13
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And the worst thing is he isnt a elected person so they have to make him a Lord , more like a queen (alledegly) but thats another story  ;) Just shows how far you can by fiddleling your morgage and having friends in influential places , you or I did it we'ed doind time at her majestys pleasure


That sounds very dodgy

the problem is there is a lot of that statement that is true.....

He has been found with his hand in the cookie jar so to speak, been named in a passport issue with foriegn nationals, fiddled a morgage and seems to have got away with a lot of that.
He is noty an elected member of parliament so this meant he has goty in via the 'back door' and in doing so has received/will receive a life peer for the privilige.....

this is not a good example to set others, Mandy is the king of Spin AKA bull crap, we will have even less of idea of what the government is up to now....

So we currently have a prime minister and now a member of the cabinet who have not been eleceted by the electorate......somethign well fishy going on there me thinks.
the sooner an election is called the better, i fear that we will have to wait until 2010 for that though, GB is going to run full term, after  all i dont think he will have the balls to call an election early, he knows he has signed his death warrant and all you can hear in whitehall is the hammering of nails into the political coffin of Mr Goofemup Brown  ::)
Title: Re: The last throws of a desperate man
Post by: Martin_1962 on 03 October 2008, 20:00:20
I am surprised that someone hasn't put mandy out of our misery
Title: Re: The last throws of a desperate man
Post by: beemerdevil on 03 October 2008, 20:04:55
mendleson??...................did i hear right?......even after being 'evicted' a number of times for 'discrepencies', he is back in AGAIN??
I doonntt beleeeiiivvveee it !!!!!!!!! - sums this bunch of loers up huh?
BNP for me next time i think  [smiley=evil.gif] [smiley=evil.gif] LOL
Title: Re: The last throws of a desperate man
Post by: Martin_1962 on 03 October 2008, 20:12:10
I am so looking forwards for our useless labour mp to come round visiting (if he does - hasn't done so far) and I am going to push the road tax issue down his throat - I complained he said he would do something - and he did - he voted to agree with the rise - I have never voted for the tosser either.

They are a complete bunch of tossers and need throwing out.

Politicians I like

Hmm

David Davis (honest & fed up with 1984 society)
Charles Kennedy (real person)
Ken Clarke (real)
Title: Re: The last throws of a desperate man
Post by: Banjax on 03 October 2008, 20:12:43
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mendleson??...................did i hear right?......even after being 'evicted' a number of times for 'discrepencies', he is back in AGAIN??
I doonntt beleeeiiivvveee it !!!!!!!!! - sums this bunch of loers up huh?
BNP for me next time i think  [smiley=evil.gif] [smiley=evil.gif] LOL

please say you're joking  :-? :o





as far as bring Mandy back - i must admit it wierd - GB is well known that he can't stand him - maybe it is desperate times - but I see no upside - unless they've planned it to distract the media - which seems easily done.

By christ I'm glad the SNP are safe up north

God help you if you get the tories - for those that are too young to remember i'll forgive - we all learn from our mistakes - the rest of you will only have yourselves to blame!!
Title: Re: The last throws of a desperate man
Post by: Martin_1962 on 03 October 2008, 20:14:20
The BNP are an effing joke, left wing of Pol Pot and very nasty to any non whites - even if they are more British than them.

Tories have been OK, the state of the country in the mid 70s was shocking, we needed the treatment unfortunately.

But then the change of government was required in the 90s love or hate Blair the goverment was stale and getting out of touch, but then the big pension fund raids were nothing but evil.

I still rate Maggie as a good PM, she was right for the time and proof women only shortlists give you ineffectual women - and they should take it as an insult.
Title: Re: The last throws of a desperate man
Post by: Banjax on 03 October 2008, 20:42:17
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The BNP are an effing joke, left wing of Pol Pot and very nasty to any non whites - even if they are more British than them.

Tories have been OK, the state of the country in the mid 70s was shocking, we needed the treatment unfortunately.

But then the change of government was required in the 90s love or hate Blair the goverment was stale and getting out of touch, but then the big pension fund raids were nothing but evil.

I still rate Maggie as a good PM, she was right for the time and proof women only shortlists give you ineffectual women - and they should take it as an insult.

right wing Marty  ::)

yep - a lot of folk still idolise old "Milk Snatcher" i'm not one of them tho - i remember the miner's strike, destruction of unions, rewarding the rich with ludicrous tax cuts (paid for with N Sea oil revenue i might add), bringing the NHS to its knees - maybe it was necessary, i hope so - because it cost a lot of jobs, a lot of communities were destroyed
and a lot of people were consigned to the bin

no matter what you think of Mrs T - my abiding memory is of her condemning Nelson Mandela as a terrorist and hailing Pinochet as a great leader - lol  ;D

yes, i think the tories would be bad..........

.........BUT if the BNP got in down south then I would have to leave the country  :(

i couldn't live near a place where people saw them as a choice  >:(

Title: Re: The last throws of a desperate man
Post by: Martin_1962 on 03 October 2008, 21:35:26
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The BNP are an effing joke, left wing of Pol Pot and very nasty to any non whites - even if they are more British than them.

Tories have been OK, the state of the country in the mid 70s was shocking, we needed the treatment unfortunately.

But then the change of government was required in the 90s love or hate Blair the goverment was stale and getting out of touch, but then the big pension fund raids were nothing but evil.

I still rate Maggie as a good PM, she was right for the time and proof women only shortlists give you ineffectual women - and they should take it as an insult.

right wing Marty  ::)

yep - a lot of folk still idolise old "Milk Snatcher" i'm not one of them tho - i remember the miner's strike, destruction of unions, rewarding the rich with ludicrous tax cuts (paid for with N Sea oil revenue i might add), bringing the NHS to its knees - maybe it was necessary, i hope so - because it cost a lot of jobs, a lot of communities were destroyed
and a lot of people were consigned to the bin

no matter what you think of Mrs T - my abiding memory is of her condemning Nelson Mandela as a terrorist and hailing Pinochet as a great leader - lol  ;D

yes, i think the tories would be bad..........

.........BUT if the BNP got in down south then I would have to leave the country  :(

i couldn't live near a place where people saw them as a choice  >:(



The policies I have sene of the BNP are similar to that of a certain pre war German party, and I wish people would use the political compass they are totalairians rather than libertarians, I tend to libertairianism and centre right economic policies.

Miners strike, that was basically Scargill trying to oust the goverment, the pits which spilt off seemed to do quite well. Unions did need cutting down to size, as much as bad managers need sacking.

As to Pinochet - all comes down to Argentina, and to Nelson Mandela - that I don't know, but remember that ethnic British were treated badly in SA as well and that the blacks tended to side with them rather than the Africaans (or Boers).

BNP NF and all those joke parties, again I'd leave the country, however some of my family tree is back over 500 years and is British, but before that - we all came over the land bridge after the last ice age anyway.
Title: Re: The last throws of a desperate man
Post by: Kevin Wood on 03 October 2008, 22:40:47
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But then the change of government was required in the 90s love or hate Blair the goverment was stale and getting out of touch, but then the big pension fund raids were nothing but evil.

This is the crux of the issue. We've been in this state with both electable parties. There's not much to choose between them in terms of policies, IMHO, but we have arrived at the situation again where there is a desperate need to clear out all the cr@p and start afresh. That requires a change of government and, love them or hate them, that means the tories.

Especially since the Lib Dems preached on about people's rights to privacy during their conference and then started illegally cold-calling the electorate. ::)

Kevin