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Title: Here we go again...
Post by: Nickbat on 09 October 2008, 16:10:14
"The UK Commission for Integrated Transport last year proposed a nationwide blanket of speed cameras as a means of fighting global warming. After a series of trials, the Home Office is now set to make this a reality by approving early next year the SPECS3 "distance over time speed measuring device" that will make it impossible to drive on any primary road in Britain without being tracked and subjected to an instant fine for exceeding the posted speed limit.
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The commission estimated that new SPECS3 cameras could monitor every driver on 31,136 miles of principal rural and urban roads at a cost of £443,687,656 (US $769,693,415). While the initial investment appears substantial, the commission noted that "enforcing the 70 MPH limit using SPECS would pay for itself within around two years."

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/25/2560.asp

All in the name of global warming and the pretend scientific consensus.

“I believe that global warming is the biggest scientific scam ever. There is no evidence to prove that the current climate variations are not a natural cycle.”

Will Alexander, Professor Emeritus, Department of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria.
http://co2sceptics.com/news.php?id=1724

"Variations in global temperatures since 1978 have mostly been due to climate effects in the northern hemisphere (northern extratropics) and these effects cannot be attributed to carbon dioxide."

David Douglas and John Christy. (Practicing climate scientists from the Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester, and Department of Atmospheric Science and Earth System Science Center, University of Alabama, respectively)
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0809/0809.0581.pdf

"It certainly does not follow logically that CO2 emissions drive a warming trend that began prior to widespread fossil fuel use and that has yet to reach the magnitude of the medieval warm period when Vikings colonized Greenland."

Charles Clough, an atmospheric scientist and was Chief of the Atmospheric Effects Team with the Department of the Army at Aberdeen Proving Ground from 1982 until 2006.
http://www.dcexaminer.com/opinion/columns/guestcolumnists/Officials_should_look_deeper_at_climate_change.html

Title: Re: Here we go again...
Post by: waspy on 09 October 2008, 16:24:53
I just won't drive on any M roads.
Seriously though. I hardly drive at all nowadays, because i hate it.
When i was young, i'd think of excuses to drive, now i think of excuses not to drive. Too many dick heads, speed cameras (not enough traffic cops to catch the dick heads). As for global warming brought on by emissions, it's all 'dangle berries'. TAX TAX TAX FINE FINE FINE. That's ALL they know >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
WA&%KERS
Title: Re: Here we go again...
Post by: Kevin Wood on 09 October 2008, 16:28:24
So long as they don't expect me to stop driving like a rather hooligan on rural roads they can do what they like. >:(

Cue another round of number plates getting nicked, following distances for repmobiles on the M6 halving (to 3 inches) and people falling asleep at the wheel and falling off the black stuff.

Kevin
Title: Re: Here we go again...
Post by: Martin_1962 on 09 October 2008, 16:58:51
Completely impractical and time for show plates
Title: Re: Here we go again...
Post by: Martin_1962 on 09 October 2008, 17:00:43
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Once established nationwide, records on all vehicle movements will be stored for five years in a central government Automated Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) server, allowing police to keep tabs on criminals and political opponents.

 :( >:( :( >:(

Totally wrong
Title: Re: Here we go again...
Post by: mantahatch on 09 October 2008, 18:42:24
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Once established nationwide, records on all vehicle movements will be stored for five years in a central government Automated Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) server, allowing police to keep tabs on criminals and political opponents.

 :( >:( :( >:(

Totally wrong


Agreed, that has frightening aspects  :o
Title: Re: Here we go again...
Post by: Nickbat on 09 October 2008, 18:42:43
..and of course the £443m could only be recouped in two years if enough people were fined for "contributing to global warming", meaning that the government would be hoping for enough "pollution" to make it worthwhile financially.

Illogical, and nasty. >:( >:(
Title: Re: Here we go again...
Post by: waspy on 09 October 2008, 18:47:59
Though it's ok for the government to give the go ahead for another 23,000 flights a year out of Stansted Airport & maybe another runway.
They really don't have a clue :-? :-? :-? :-?
Title: Re: Here we go again...
Post by: Martin_1962 on 09 October 2008, 18:48:24
It would need a sustained campaign of destruction and removal.
Title: Re: Here we go again...
Post by: albitz on 09 October 2008, 18:53:00
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Completely impractical and time for show plates
show plates have just become illegal.any number plate made for any purpose must go through the whole legal rigmarole :(
Title: Re: Here we go again...
Post by: LaserLance on 09 October 2008, 18:55:57
and heres another one ......From The TimesOctober 9, 2008

Drivers will have no escape from new speed cameras

Ben Webster, Transport Correspondent
Poll: for or against?

Clusters of speed cameras that will monitor drivers’ average speed on all routes across a wide area are to be deployed on hundreds of roads next year.

It will be impossible to evade detection because the digital cameras will cover every entry and exit point and, unlike the earlier speed cameras, will never run out of film.

Drivers who slow down briefly or who make a detour from the main route will still be caught because up to 50 of the cameras will work together in a network. They can be positioned more than 15 miles apart and will automatically read numberplates and transmit data instantly to a penalty processing centre.

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Title: Re: Here we go again...
Post by: Markjay on 09 October 2008, 18:56:55
Well the tirck is to drive as fast as you like just after going into the zone, then stop at the motorway services for a snack, and then speed on out of the zone... average speed below the legal limit...  ;D
Title: Re: Here we go again...
Post by: theolodian on 09 October 2008, 19:11:28
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Completely impractical and time for show plates
show plates have just become illegal.any number plate made for any purpose must go through the whole legal rigmarole :(
Do you have a link for that please?
Title: Re: Here we go again...
Post by: albitz on 09 October 2008, 19:36:11
sorry,no. read it in mcn a while back.
Title: Re: Here we go again...
Post by: Nickbat on 09 October 2008, 19:38:05
Oh, and if you just want to stay at home and phone, text or surf, they'll still know what you're up to:

"Next month's Queen's speech will contain a brief reference to an innocuous-sounding communications data bill. But what this means is the development of a centralised database that will track, in real time, every call we make, every website we visit, and every text and email we send. That information will then be stored and analysed - perhaps for decades. It will mean the end of privacy as we know it.

In the name of the fight against crime, and the fight against terror, we are all to be monitored as if we could be suspects. Computers will analyse our behaviour for signs of deviance. The minute we become of interest to anyone in authority - perhaps because we take part in a demonstration, have an argument with a security guard at an airport, spend too long on a website, or are witness to a crime - the police or the security services will be able to dip into our records and construct a near-complete pattern of our lives."


 >:( >:( >:(
See: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/oct/08/civilliberties.privacy
Title: Re: Here we go again...
Post by: albitz on 09 October 2008, 19:44:45
i am not a big fan of "call me Dave" and the pretend tories,but hopefully they will dump at least some of this stalinist nonsense when they (probably) win the next election.
Title: Re: Here we go again...
Post by: Kevin Wood on 09 October 2008, 20:20:32
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Well the tirck is to drive as fast as you like just after going into the zone, then stop at the motorway services for a snack, and then speed on out of the zone... average speed below the legal limit...  ;D

Don't suppose your Kompressor has got one of those handy average speed displays like my MID has, has it? :-X

I have a feeling they're going to be coming in handy.

In all seriousness, I keep expecting all this tripe to turn out to be some kind of mistimed April fool. Do they seriously expect us to vote for living in 1984?

I hate to think how much cash is getting flushed down the toilet employing "experts" to sit in the pub and pull these ideas out of their @rse over a liquid lunch every Friday.

Kevin
Title: Re: Here we go again...
Post by: Richie London on 09 October 2008, 20:30:10
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Though it's ok for the government to give the go ahead for another 23,000 flights a year out of Stansted Airport & maybe another runway.
They really don't have a clue :-? :-? :-? :-?

and an extra 117,000 out of heathrow
Title: Re: Here we go again...
Post by: Martin_1962 on 09 October 2008, 20:37:51
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Completely impractical and time for show plates
show plates have just become illegal.any number plate made for any purpose must go through the whole legal rigmarole :(


Are they illegal in Ireland?
Title: Re: Here we go again...
Post by: Martin_1962 on 09 October 2008, 20:39:57
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i am not a big fan of "call me Dave" and the pretend tories,but hopefully they will dump at least some of this stalinist nonsense when they (probably) win the next election.


If they dump it all they have nearly £40,000,000,000 to plough into useful things and give us hopefully a tax cut
Title: Re: Here we go again...
Post by: Kevin Wood on 09 October 2008, 20:57:29
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and an extra 117,000 out of heathrow

The CAA are trying to foist some pretty nasty legislation on the private flying community at the moment and one of their justifications is that the government have told them to plan for air traffic in the UK to double in the next decade. :o

When trying to respond to their consultation I wondered how this sits with their commitments to the environment, and the fact that they are always beating up motorists over CO2 emissions. I can't remember the exact figures but, IIRC, an airliner emits the equivalent of about 200g/km CO2 per passenger.

So, jumping on a plane to a meeting in New York is roughly equivalent to jumping in a V6 Omega and driving 5,000 miles. Four Months motoring for the average driver in an above average car, and that's for one passenger to attend one meeting. And some people do that once a week. :o

Remember, that's an Omega with a single person in it. Put a passenger in it and you halve the emissions.

However, when you think about it, when you're on a plane you're being looked after by Nanny state's rules and regs. You're being fed the right number of calories of vegan/veggie/halal food. You're getting a taste of alcohol, but not too much. You're unable to decide your own direction and speed. Just like sitting on a bus, there's no chance of us using our own common sense, making decisions for ourselves or being an individual. So bu66er the environment. We know what the real agenda is. >:(

Kevin