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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Vamps on 11 October 2008, 21:12:45
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My 16 year old stepson came in last night, having had a drink, not sure how much, didn’t see him. He came in, took the dog out and disappeared upstairs, I did speak with him regards his scooter as it was not in the garage. :-?
To his credit he had had a drink so left his scooter at his elder brothers house and got a lift home, :y :y :y they were in a village about 3 miles away.
Spoke with him today, not in trouble but I wanted to know where he had been drinking and what.
He had been served in 2 pubs in Sedgefield. Now he is recently 16 and looks about 14, if that. ::) ::) ::)
Points to note.
Never had any problems with him as a Kid, very little anyway, he is a good lad.
I was 16 once as well.
Not so much that he had been drinking but that he was getting served, now I do have a problem when everyone gets on about young people drinking, as behind this is nearly always an adult, either serving or buying for them.
Do I have a little word with the police, about the pub’s in question, or let it go. :question
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If it was me I would pop down to the pub and have a word with the manager.
Your lad doesnt sound a bad one, but another kid could get canned up in there and things may end up alot worse.
Not the kids fault at the end of the day, kids will do what they can get away with, but something needs doing about an establishment that sells to underage drinkers.
Just my 2p worth !
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When I was 16, my mates (same age) and I would walk up the local, regularly have three or so pints, and walk back merry. Never did any harm, and had our heads screwed on.
Yes it was naughty, but also pretty harmless because we were always brought up to enjoy alcohol but not abuse it.
It sounds like he was totally in control, especially by not riding his moped, and the fact he openly admitted it means he hasn't got much to hide.
I personally would leave it... but that's just me :y
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]If it was me I would go to the pop down to the pub and have a word with the manager[/highlight].
Your lad doesnt sound a bad one, but another kid could get canned up in there and things may end up alot worse.
Not the kids fault at the end of the day, kids will do what they can get away with, but something needs doing about an establishment that sells to underage drinkers.
Just my 2p worth !
Yes I agree, and make it clear that next time you will complain to the Police! >:( >:(
Although we all drank in pubs when we were barely 16 years old, it is certainly not good due to all the dangers they can face as indeed we could have done! :o :o :o I think it is the potential driving whilst drunk that would worry me the most. :o :o
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When I was 16, my mates (same age) and I would walk up the local, regularly have three or so pints, and walk back merry. Never did any harm, and had our heads screwed on.
Yes it was naughty, but also pretty harmless because we were always brought up to enjoy alcohol but not abuse it.
It sounds like he was totally in control, especially by not riding his moped, and the fact he openly admitted it means he hasn't got much to hide.
I personally would leave it... but that's just me :y
I am surprised James, thought you would have had me sending in the armed response unit. ;D ;D ;D
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When I was 16, my mates (same age) and I would walk up the local, regularly have three or so pints, and walk back merry. Never did any harm, and had our heads screwed on.
Yes it was naughty, but also pretty harmless because we were always brought up to enjoy alcohol but not abuse it.
It sounds like he was totally in control, especially by not riding his moped, and the fact he openly admitted it means he hasn't got much to hide.
I personally would leave it... but that's just me :y
I am surprised James, thought you would have had me sending in the armed response unit. ;D ;D ;D
Oh hush.... :P ;D
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Drinking can be a very slippery slope, especially for young people. I would keep monitoring his behaviour just to make sure that he keep acting responsibly, as he has done, and if so then I would be happy with that.
As for the Pubs, it would depend to a great extent of the nature of the said establishment,. If it is a small local pub where the publican is behind the bar most of the time, then yes a quiet word would be appropriate. But if it is one of them chain-owned large commercial pubs, then I suspect no-one on-premises would really care, so it’s either talking to the Police or do nothing....
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Please people, if we called the police evey time a 16 year old got served in a pub none of us would get nicked for speeding, let alone anything worse.
Give the guy a break. He had a few beers. Failed to get stupid, throw up drunk. Failed to drink-drive his moped home. Was honest with his Dad.
Exemplary behaviour for a 16 year old these days. Exemplary behaviour for a 16 year when I was that age - and also the 'call the police' brigade when they were that age too I suspect.
Get a life people - and let him have his... :y
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Drinking can be a very slippery slope, especially for young people. I would keep monitoring his behaviour just to make sure that he keep acting responsibly, as he has done, and if so then I would be happy with that.
As for the Pubs, it would depend to a great extent of the nature of the said establishment,. If it is a small local pub where the publican is behind the bar most of the time, then yes a quiet word would be appropriate. But if it is one of them chain-owned large commercial pubs, then I suspect no-one on-premises would really care, so it’s either talking to the Police or do nothing....
agreed :y
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I'd let it go if no harm was done. Does'nt make you an uncaring parent but sometimes you have to let them find out for themselves. We all supped a few @ 16 or younger, i see no need to rock the boat.
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Please people, if we called the police evey time a 16 year old got served in a pub none of us would get nicked for speeding, let alone anything worse.
Give the guy a break. He had a few beers. Failed to get stupid, throw up drunk. Failed to drink-drive his moped home. Was honest with his Dad.
Exemplary behaviour for a 16 year old these days. Exemplary behaviour for a 16 year when I was that age - and also the 'call the police' brigade when they were that age too I suspect.
Get a life people - and let him have his... :y
I am not worried about him, he is sensible.
So it is OK for pubs to serve kids, well don't complain about gangs of drunken youths then, someone served them.
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at 16 i was doing the same sort of thing, we weren't getting drunk but were doing a pint or two on the weekends...........
i know things have changed and we have more of a focus of what can be 'unsocial behaviour' excessive drinking being one of those.
James, my stepson, was drinking in the house at 15/16, he was too baby faced to get served, and there were a few times that he overdid it and ended up with his head down the loo in the middle of the night......
He is now 19 and has a pretty responsible attitude to drink, yes he goes out and yes he has a few, but knows when to call it a day.
Personally i would be having a chat with him, however it does seem that by leaving his bike and getting a lift he is showing some sensibility.....
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I wouldn't worry about going near the pubs in question. There are hundreds of pubs and if the lad wants a drink he will find one somewhere that will serve him. I would talk to him about it, he is the one who will decide whether he walks through the door of the pub in the first place and he will decide how much he is going to drink whilst in there.
Make it clear that there is nothing wrong with a drink now and again and it is natural for him to want to try and 'grow up'.
Tell him you trust him and know that he wont let you down, but at the same time point out how one foolish mistake, ie, getting on his scooter, will stay with him for a very long time.
The lad has not let you down so far, give him some credit.
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sensible stepson,irresponsible landlord.
considering the drink related problems we see these days,pubs shouldnt be serving 16 year olds imo......I would be tempted to make the call.
A 17 y.o. was drinking in a pub near to where I live about a year ago.
he wasnt quite as sensible and decided he could ride 1 mile home on his scooter.He hit a telegraph pole less than 100 yards from his house and was killed.
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he will be fine got a 16 year old lad mesen ! had a few beers with him in cyprus when we were there ! worst thing you can do is make a fuss next time he wont be so forth coming with deatails :y
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I am not worried about him, he is sensible.
Sorry Mike but if that's the case, why did you ask?
I think you are rght about him, but we all need to find out for ourselves when we are 16.
So it is OK for pubs to serve kids, well don't complain about gangs of drunken youths then, someone served them.
Pubs do not serve gangs of drunken kids. If anything, it is corner shops that do. And if we remove that supply then they will buy aerosols, glue or drugs. I saw first hand the glue sniffing craze rip through kids just below my age in the early 80s.
I don't think it's right Mike that this can happen.
But what I do think is:
Your Stepson is responsible and not deserving any sanction based on your post. He walked the dog FFS...
The problem of 16 year olds drinking (and doing worse) has no more easy answers than it did when we were that age.
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Guys, thanks for the replys, can I make it clear that I do not have any problem with my stepson, he is in no trouble at all, we talked, he is honest and sensible.
My point is about the pubs in question, I know lots of pubs serve kids, does that mean they should be alowed, he does not look anything like 16 let alone 18, this being my point that whoever served him clearly not interested in his age.
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FWIW I think the lad has done right... No secrecy and a very sensible attitude towards the scooter. I'd make it clear to him that he is breaking the law and if he ever rode home the scooter would be in bits before he knew what had happened. I think he's been very sensible and deserves credit where credit's due :y :y
As for the pub... TBH I don't think they'll pay a lot of attention really. If it's a quiet country pub like my local then they knew the risks and were watching him! My local was still serving late into the night long before 24hr drinking laws came in and were responsible about it. They had to be really... The local Bobby was normally at the end of the bar with a glass in his hand! ;D ;D
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Drinking can be a very slippery slope, especially for young people. I would keep monitoring his behaviour just to make sure that he keep acting responsibly, as he has done, and if so then I would be happy with that.
As for the Pubs, it would depend to a great extent of the nature of the said establishment,. If it is a small local pub where the publican is behind the bar most of the time, then yes a quiet word would be appropriate. But if it is one of them chain-owned large commercial pubs, then I suspect no-one on-premises would really care, so it’s either talking to the Police or do nothing....
agreed :y
I agree too....no harm done....sounds like your lad is sensible....and tbh...my Dad used give me alcohol when i was 16/17...his 'excuse' for this was that he didnt want me coming home pissed when i was 18 and drinking with mates....ie i was used to it :y
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I am not worried about him, he is sensible.
Sorry Mike but if that's the case, why did you ask?
I think you are rght about him, but we all need to find out for ourselves when we are 16.
So it is OK for pubs to serve kids, well don't complain about gangs of drunken youths then, someone served them.
Pubs do not serve gangs of drunken kids. If anything, it is corner shops that do. And if we remove that supply then they will buy aerosols, glue or drugs. I saw first hand the glue sniffing craze rip through kids just below my age in the early 80s.
I don't think it's right Mike that this can happen.
But what I do think is:
Your Stepson is responsible and not deserving any sanction based on your post. He walked the dog FFS...
The problem of 16 year olds drinking (and doing worse) has no more easy answers than it did when we were that age.
I didn't, I asked about dobbing in the pubs. ::)
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Guys, thanks for the replys, can I make it clear that I do not have any problem with my stepson, he is in no trouble at all, we talked, he is honest and sensible.
My point is about the pubs in question, I know lots of pubs serve kids, does that mean they should be alowed, he does not look anything like 16 let alone 18, this being my point that whoever served him clearly not interested in his age.
Pubs in some cases are struggling to survive, I reckon as long as the lads behave, which they tend to do then the land lords turn a blind eye.
I would rather see responsible underage kids under adult supervision (the landlord) rather than seeing urully unsupervised yobs reaking having on the streets supping low cost supermarket booze.
I started drinking when I was 15 and went to a pub in town with 2 16 year olds that looked a lot older and had tatooes, they got kicked out, I was told I could stay. Funny old world.
I dont drink much at all these days.
All though I do have an excessive coke habbit. :-/
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I didn't, I asked about dobbing in the pubs. ::)
Just re-read your first post a bit more carefully. Sorry, previous comment withdrawn. :-[
I still think that, while it's not right that pubs serve 16 year olds - if we shut them down the next available outlet will be worse. 16 year olds need to express themselves and they will find a way...
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Better responsibly in a pub than in a bus shelter.
If the landlord knows his age and watches him carefully and makes sure he is responsible I see no issue
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Better responsibly in a pub than in a bus shelter.
If the landlord knows his age and watches him carefully and makes sure he is responsible I see no issue
Agreed! :y
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A 17 y.o. was drinking in a pub near to where I live about a year ago.
he wasnt quite as sensible and decided he could ride 1 mile home on his scooter.He hit a telegraph pole less than 100 yards from his house and was killed.
Exactly what I meant in my original post.
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A 17 y.o. was drinking in a pub near to where I live about a year ago.
he wasnt quite as sensible and decided he could ride 1 mile home on his scooter.He hit a telegraph pole less than 100 yards from his house and was killed.
Exactly what I meant in my original post.
I think this hits the subject originally raised head on! :y
That is the result of senseless drinking for the sake of drinking, as a means to an end, on who can get totally spaced out first in a night.
Not wanting to sound 'older and sensible' (which I'm not!! ;D ;)), but when I was 16 we drank to socialize, to enjoy ourselves with our friends, and yes to be "grown up", but we did not engage in drinking quickly to get smashed no matter what. Although by accident of course sometimes some of us did! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
This is the current 'problem' of youth, including, frighteningly, all too many females as well as males; it is a drinking for the sake of it culture, probably to escape reality (??). I have witnessed this as many have on TV programmes, and more crucially 'live' when working alongside the police on night patrol. Young woman and men just want to get speedily plastered through irresponsible drinking, then end up causing all kinds of problems for the police and therefore society. :o :o :o :'(
The message has got to be drinking itself is NOT a problem for youngsters, it is the potential lack of responsibility witnessed now with so many, who terribly will end up having their future lives blighted by alcohol; illness, alcoholism, personal injury / rape, criminal record, bankrupcy, unwanted children and possibly early death. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Re-educating the young in their drinking habits must be an aim of all of us,especially parents as I did with my three kids, and as Mike has obviously done, commendably, with his stepson who seems to know his responsibilities. :y :y
Too many others do not, and that is the problem. My personal opinion yes, but I cannot seem to arrive at any alternative conclusion with what I see around me. ::)
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When I was 16, my mates (same age) and I would walk up the local, regularly have three or so pints, and walk back merry. Never did any harm, and had our heads screwed on.
Yes it was naughty, but also pretty harmless because we were always brought up to enjoy alcohol but not abuse it.
It sounds like he was totally in control, especially by not riding his moped, and the fact he openly admitted it means he hasn't got much to hide.
I personally would leave it... but that's just me :y
Yes, but we live in a different time.
On the one hand, at least you know were he is, perhaps praise him for not driving back, but if it persists id be tempted to have word with the manager there.
Iv always been sensible about what and when I drink, but others don't. And as my mother always used to say, "in not what you do....."
Town centres nowadays on Fri/Sat nights are horrible places IMO.
Make sure he stay in with the right crowd....as stated, it's a slippery slope ;)
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Seems to be a fair bit of "pot ... kettle" in this thread .... we all did it but he musn't ??.... bit hypocritical methinks.
The lad showed good sense in not driving after drinking ... he's going to drink .. just like we did ..... far better that you KNOW what he's up to and he's encouraged to be sensible than to force him to get devious and stupid ??
In other countries kids are taught HOW to drink .. not taught TO drink... big big difference .. and they don't have a drinking culture like here ... one wonders why ??
Don't start "blaming" or "naming" .... say well done for using your brain.
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i agree with mr entwood there. we were all young once. hes 16 and seems sensible to me by not driving home. good lad id say :y
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I have to agree with Entwood on this, my thoughts exactly.
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Seems to be a fair bit of "pot ... kettle" in this thread .... we all did it but he musn't ??.... bit hypocritical methinks.
The lad showed good sense in not driving after drinking ... he's going to drink .. just like we did ..... far better that you KNOW what he's up to and he's encouraged to be sensible than to force him to get devious and stupid ??
In other countries kids are taught HOW to drink .. not taught TO drink... big big difference .. and they don't have a drinking culture like here ... one wonders why ??
Don't start "blaming" or "naming" .... say well done for using your brain.
wish i had a dad like you, ;) mine was well strict. lucky for me he was away 4 nights a week. just got 1 hiding for the whole weeks worth of mischief, ;D ;D ;D ;D
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When my two sons were around 16 they quite often used to come to the pub with me. The landlord is a good friend of mine and occassionally would let them have a pint as they were always well behaved. The landlord always said to me that he would rather let them have a drink as long as they were with me in the pub rather than them getting up to no good out on the streets. Like anything, if it's done sensibly then there's no harm in it.
You could always have a word with the landlord or manager of the pub that you stepson was being served in, but I wouldn't think it worthwhile taking it further than that.
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I'd let it go if no harm was done. Does'nt make you an uncaring parent but sometimes you have to let them find out for themselves. We all supped a few @ 16 or younger, i see no need to rock the boat.
Agreed....did it myself at 16 (and younger).....no big deal really. :y :y
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When I was 16, my mates (same age) and I would walk up the local, regularly have three or so pints, and walk back merry. Never did any harm, and had our heads screwed on.
Yes it was naughty, but also pretty harmless because we were always brought up to enjoy alcohol but not abuse it.
It sounds like he was totally in control, especially by not riding his moped, and the fact he openly admitted it means he hasn't got much to hide.
I personally would leave it... but that's just me :y
Me and my mates did the same at 16. Only ever had 3 or 4 pints and never got into any trouble :y