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Title: what kind of sealant to use?
Post by: tunnie on 21 October 2008, 17:27:44
RE my leaking rear door seal, inspected it this morning, the actual seal bit to the door looks ok, there no marks on it, its still soft, not hard.

I think its creaping in underneath it... you have the metal sill, then the rubber seal, the flap at the bottom where the rubber meets the metal, i think its getting in there, then comming in through underneath the internal plastic skirting.

I want to try and seal it along that edge, any ideas on some kind of sealant i can use?  :-/
Title: Re: what kind of sealant to use?
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 21 October 2008, 17:35:50
No idea - silicone bathroom sealent? ;D
Title: Re: what kind of sealant to use?
Post by: Timbuk on 21 October 2008, 18:20:34
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No idea - silicone bathroom sealent? ;D

Not as daft as it sounds, but i would use clear Tunnie, white might stand out a bit too much ::)
Title: Re: what kind of sealant to use?
Post by: Gaffers on 21 October 2008, 18:28:53
you can get black sealant here, surely it is available in UK DIY stores....?
Title: Re: what kind of sealant to use?
Post by: markey mark on 21 October 2008, 18:37:29
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RE my leaking rear door seal, inspected it this morning, the actual seal bit to the door looks ok, there no marks on it, its still soft, not hard.

I think its creaping in underneath it... you have the metal sill, then the rubber seal, the flap at the bottom where the rubber meets the metal, i think its getting in there, then comming in through underneath the internal plastic skirting.

I want to try and seal it along that edge, any ideas on some kind of sealant i can use?  :-/

have you tried adjusting the door bud ?? :-/
Title: Re: what kind of sealant to use?
Post by: JueV6 on 21 October 2008, 18:44:39
or even try a different seal tunnie :y i'm sure mark or myself would lend you one to see if it cures the leak.
Title: Re: what kind of sealant to use?
Post by: Richie London on 21 October 2008, 18:47:09
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you can get black sealant here, surely it is available in UK DIY stores....?

frame sealant, more flexible ;)
Title: Re: what kind of sealant to use?
Post by: TheBoy on 21 October 2008, 18:58:45
Have you proved thats where its coming in?
Title: Re: what kind of sealant to use?
Post by: tunnie on 21 October 2008, 19:53:05
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Have you proved thats where its coming in?

Its the only place it can be, i put that toilet paper on the sill, that prob did act as a wick.

But behind it, the carpet that runs up to the plastic skirting was damn.

I am thinking putting just a smear with a finger along that line to see if that fixes it.

I opened the door today, the seal is defo working felt it almost suckered on.

Door does not need adjusting, there is no movement on it, no noise from it at speed. When shut you can't feel any movement pushing against it.

Bar a whole in the chassis, i can't see any other possible place for it to get in.
Title: Re: what kind of sealant to use?
Post by: iainb on 21 October 2008, 20:15:18
Idea:Take the door card off and check if the water tight membrain is leaking, if so reseal it
You can make the rubber door seal swell by steaming them.
If you pour some water over the glass some will go inside the door and exit through the drain holes at the bottom of the door,I suspect the membrain is has dislodged
Iainb
Title: Re: what kind of sealant to use?
Post by: tunnie on 21 October 2008, 20:18:04
by membrain, do you mean this?

(http://images.omegaowners.com/images/guides/door_lock_motor/DSC06760.jpg)


or the rubber seal against the window  :-/
Title: Re: what kind of sealant to use?
Post by: iainb on 21 October 2008, 20:21:25
Nice picture of your probable leak point.
Gaffer tape comes to mind as long as your not going to want remove them again :y
Title: Re: what kind of sealant to use?
Post by: tunnie on 21 October 2008, 20:24:50
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Nice picture of your probable leak point.
Gaffer tape comes to mind as long as your not going to want remove them again :y

Its taken from the how2 i made on door lock replacement. - That image shows the drivers front...

Cheers for the idea, i will pop the door card off at the weekend.
Title: Re: what kind of sealant to use?
Post by: iainb on 21 October 2008, 20:25:23
Sorry yes the plastic film with glued edges.
Some call them shedders.
Title: Re: what kind of sealant to use?
Post by: tunnie on 21 October 2008, 20:31:18
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Sorry yes the plastic film with glued edges.
Some call them shedders.

Personally i have never had that door card off, maybe it has been off before, and not put back right.

I have only recently discovered the wet floor as i never use the back seats, the water does smell stale it could have been there for some time, i did get a lot of water out the second time i Vax'd it.
Title: Re: what kind of sealant to use?
Post by: JesterRT on 22 October 2008, 12:51:23
Not sure that's there for water tightness.  I've taken the door cards off my TD recently and someone had obviously been in before, but not sealed up right.  There was no damp coming through.

I think I remember reading something to do with airbags and these membranes.
Title: Re: what kind of sealant to use?
Post by: Gaffers on 22 October 2008, 14:55:28
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Nice picture of your probable leak point.
Gaffer tape comes to mind as long as your not going to want remove them again :y

why do I always cringe when someone says that........ :(
Title: Re: what kind of sealant to use?
Post by: tunnie on 22 October 2008, 14:58:53
Gaffers, not posted pictures of your shagular yet?
Title: Re: what kind of sealant to use?
Post by: TheBoy on 22 October 2008, 18:47:58
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Have you proved thats where its coming in?

Its the only place it can be, i put that toilet paper on the sill, that prob did act as a wick.

But behind it, the carpet that runs up to the plastic skirting was darn.

I am thinking putting just a smear with a finger along that line to see if that fixes it.

I opened the door today, the seal is defo working felt it almost suckered on.

Door does not need adjusting, there is no movement on it, no noise from it at speed. When shut you can't feel any movement pushing against it.

Bar a whole in the chassis, i can't see any other possible place for it to get in.
This is going to get tedious... ;)

Have you proved that is the leak?
Title: Re: what kind of sealant to use?
Post by: TheBoy on 22 October 2008, 18:49:13
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Have you proved thats where its coming in?

Its the only place it can be, i put that toilet paper on the sill, that prob did act as a wick.

But behind it, the carpet that runs up to the plastic skirting was darn.

I am thinking putting just a smear with a finger along that line to see if that fixes it.

I opened the door today, the seal is defo working felt it almost suckered on.

Door does not need adjusting, there is no movement on it, no noise from it at speed. When shut you can't feel any movement pushing against it.

Bar a whole in the chassis, i can't see any other possible place for it to get in.
Thats not a test, as you have NO WAY of knowing if it was a good seal along its entire length.
Title: Re: what kind of sealant to use?
Post by: CaptainZok on 22 October 2008, 20:06:50
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Have you proved thats where its coming in?

Its the only place it can be, i put that toilet paper on the sill, that prob did act as a wick.

But behind it, the carpet that runs up to the plastic skirting was darn.

I am thinking putting just a smear with a finger along that line to see if that fixes it.

I opened the door today, the seal is defo working felt it almost suckered on.

Door does not need adjusting, there is no movement on it, no noise from it at speed. When shut you can't feel any movement pushing against it.

Bar a whole in the chassis, i can't see any other possible place for it to get in.
Thats not a test, as you have NO WAY of knowing if it was a good seal along its entire length.
Why can I see a Captain Mainwaring moment hurtling towards us with unstoppable velocity? ;D
Title: Re: what kind of sealant to use?
Post by: Phil on 22 October 2008, 22:46:40
Why not proove the door is leaking by doing a 'hose test'?

Start at the bottom and work your way up spending a couple of mins on say a 300mm section, moving left to right and checking at regular intervals, maybe its me but surely its the most obvious thing to do to see where the leak is or indeed 'if' the seal is leaking and its not just a spilt bottle of Perrier???
Title: Re: what kind of sealant to use?
Post by: Vamps on 22 October 2008, 23:06:57
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Why not proove the door is leaking by doing a 'hose test'?

Start at the bottom and work your way up spending a couple of mins on say a 300mm section, moving left to right and checking at regular intervals, maybe its me but surely its the most obvious thing to do to see where the leak is or indeed 'if' the seal is leaking and its not just a spilt bottle of Perrier???


I was just thinking that as I read the thread, that would be my first action as water leaks can be very deceiving :)