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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: albitz on 28 October 2008, 16:58:34
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Lots of coverage on the news about this today,just wondered what oofers think about it. :-/
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Russel Brand should be deported, cant stand the cockspanner!
Jonathan Ross isn't that bad, has his funny moments!
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Russel Brand should be deported, cant stand the cockspanner!
Jonathan Ross isn't that bad, has his funny moments![/quote]
Except he's a silly old fart who thinks he's up-to-the-minute.
Kill them both.
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Don't think they should to be honest.
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What, phoning an Elderly person while at work, telling them you've f***ed their grand daughter, and keeping your job?
IF the facts reported in this morning's paper are correct, then It's disgusting.
Those involved should be sacked.
I wouldn't blame the chap if he reported them for harrasment...
I know for sure what would happened if I did this - in any of my occupations!
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I don't think what they did was acceptable. I'm suprised at Jonathan Ross, he has a teenage daughter, just hope someone phones him in a few years time, see how he likes it >:(
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Absolutely!......`sneering, vindictive and far-from the comic genius` asserted by
many, some a few.
When one thinks of the genuine comedic talent that has graced the stage and Tv. over the years; such idiocy deserves to be seen for the "emperor`s new clothes" it really is.
`Shame on the BBC for 'fawning' over the likes of Brand and Ross. >:(
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What, phoning an Elderly person while at work, telling them you've f***ed their grand daughter, and keeping your job?
IF the facts reported in this morning's paper are correct, then It's disgusting.
Those involved should be sacked.
I wouldn't blame the chap if he reported them for harrasment...
I know for sure what would happened if I did this - in any of my occupations!
I thought they only rang someone on a radio 2 show? If that is true^^^ sack both of the bas**rds
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Actions/words they used /took, in any other job, the likes of me and you, we would be sacked - why should they be given special treatment ????? - they are in the public eye so should know better
SACK 'EM...................Dont like either of 'em anyway
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Sack 'em both and i cannot believe the amount of money we are paying Johnathon Ross.
We should apply the law/common decency across all wlaks of life,i don't give a f**k about "celebrity status",they are just as culpable as anyone of us on here.As said if i had done that when i was not working for myself then i would have no case to be not sacked.
a bit back Brand was using the sexual assault of a woman near the theatre he was at as comic material.
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What worries me with public figures like this is that there's never any decisive action these days. Assuming claims of what happened are true, they should have been dismissed as soon as the recording was discovered by senior management in the BBC, IMHO. As it is, they broadcasted it and only now after the media has hyped it up a bit are people starting to ask questions.
If either of them had any decency they'd have resigned as soon as it became public, IMHO.
I think they should be sacked and we should have our license fees refunded. The license fee is extorted from us to pay for "public service" broadcasting, not tripe like this. Nor blatant government propaganda, Eastenders and the rest of it while we're on the subject. >:(
Kevin
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I don't think what they did was acceptable. I'm suprised at Jonathan Ross, he has a teenage daughter, just hope someone phones him in a few years time, see how he likes it >:(
Yep Pete, that is how I feel and up to now I have thought Ross was ok, but this went far too far so both should go! >:( In addition the producers/bosses who allowed this pre-recorded programme to be broadcast should also be sacked. >:(
That's my opinion anyway to stop these "presenters" believing anything, no matter how distasteful, is acceptable. ::) ::)
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i quite like wossy, but russell brandf is the unfunniest person ive ever seen on tv, dirty scruffy piece of shit, he should go and stick his head up his rse and walk off a cliff ;D ;D ;D
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Dont think on the face of it they should be sacked. Not at all.
Would be intresting to see what the " injured parties" have to say though....
That would change my view point....
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Now Gordon Brown, David Cameron and other MPs have got invovled with questions being asked in the House of Commons. :o :o :o
Now I have already said they both should go, but these politicians getting involved is just far too much!! Have they not got enough serious national problems to deal with??!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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The BBC programmer who allowed it to be broadcast will probably carry the can.
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The BBC programmer who allowed it to be broadcast will probably carry the can.
Well with top politicians getting involved heads WILL role!! :y :y :y
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Russel Brand should be deported, cant stand the cockspanner!
Jonathan Ross isn't that bad, has his funny moments!
Whats a cockspanner?
Doug
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The BBC programmer who allowed it to be broadcast will probably carry the can.
Sadly true I think >:(
Sack em. :y
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Russel Brand should be deported, cant stand the cockspanner!
Jonathan Ross isn't that bad, has his funny moments!
Whats a cockspanner?
Doug
It`s what a obscenity filter substitutes for a winker or clocksucker ;D
....Ooh-err! ;D
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i believe they should both be sacked for what they did there, i have read a transcript of the message and it was not what i would call 'suitable for public broadcast'
At the ABSOLUTE least they should be fined by the BBC for their actions, both of them earn very good money from the Beeb, they should be made to pay some of that back for the insult they broadcast
I used to like Rossy, but recently he has become more and more of an arsehole
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JR and RB like to be controversial.....like to see how far they can go...see what they can get away with.
This time they went too far and offended several people in the process....
This is clearly unacceptable.My understanding is that both JR and RB have made an apology..sent flowers in the case of JR.
Bad judgement ..yes.. tactless also....but time to move on in my opinion....besides who would watch JR if he came over all PC. :y :y
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Why should they be?
I'm not a fan of Brand (or Ross for that matter), but both have made their comedic careers on taking the piss.
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Both have got to go and not be given jobs elsewhere and not given severance pay. And some BBC execs ought to go as well. It won't happen of course, never does - no accountability. People like Brand and Ross just keep pushing the envelope of decency. Where will it end. And then we wonder why society is like it is.
Am I the only one that thinks it a bit odd that the BBC has a Friday night show where "guests" come on to plug their book/film/time in the jungle AND the licence payer pays the presenter an arm and a leg? £18m I wouldn't pay him more than £50k a year. Same with Carol Vorderman. £1.5 million to put a few letters and numbers on a stand.
Off me soap box now!
varche
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Why should they be?
I'm not a fan of Brand (or Ross for that matter), but both have made their comedic careers on taking the piss.
The message left on Andrew Sachs answer machine was a lot more than taking the piss
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Cretins!!
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I have never liked Brand, but used to think Woss was ok but think they should both be sacked for this.
>:(
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The best bit about Johnfon Woss's Saturday radio show was when he was off & Mark Lamarr and Jo Brand stood in for him. ;D ;D ;D :y :y
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Yes, they both should go. It was an act of maliciousness. If one of us received messages like that on our answerphone, we would be outraged, and rightly so. If a private citizen should not be allowed to get away with it, there's no way TV "celebs" should. Indeed, I think they should both be prosecuted. >:(
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[rant mode] My tuppence... Brand is an horrid crass idiot and should've been institutionalised many years ago. Ross has his funny moments but if you watch Friday night with... he is extremely rude, insulting and talks down to people. I'd high jump the pair of them! As for poor Andrew Sachs and his family I feel for them and I hope they pursue this matter to the highest level! >:( [/rant mode]
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Sack em both as cant stand either of em & as for the reputed salary Jonathon woss gets £6 m /yr thats obscene who ever offered him that much at the beeb was sacking too :y
Our tv license money well spent NOT!!
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WHo decided Brand was a comedian - I didn;t he is not funny - he is an irritating twerp
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...... irritating twerp
Mmm? Not quite the word I'd think of ........ same begining but rhyming with cat! ;) :y
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For crying out loud, lighten up you lot. Yes they were offensive in their actions & Andrew Sachs is an unassuming bloke who has a right to be offended, yes RB is nothing more than a gobshite & Wossy is a more seasoned gobshite, both are condescending & self obsessed, they should probably elope & sycophant each others egos. It was a silly prank that went to far but put the ducking stool away FFS, far more important issues.
If the Beeb pay Wossie 6m a year he must make them a fortune so they'll ignore you blood baying mob, you won't change anything, get over it. It's really not that important.
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Russel Brand should be deported, cant stand the cockspanner!
Jonathan Ross isn't that bad, has his funny moments!
exactly my sentiments
Ross is ok in small doses but Brand >:( is a talentless ex druggie waster >:(
ps
i'm under 35 and have only recently started listening to radio2 ::)
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Don't sack them .. shoot them ... :)
Whoever decided they are "comedians" needs to check the dictionary definition.
Total wasters the pair of them.. or as I heard someone described the other day ... "oxygen thieves" !!!
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Cant stand either of them to be honest,but id have thought GB would
have more to worry about at the mo, than a pair of $hitehawks
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Just seen the news, I think someones head will roll for this, but likely to be someone from the BBC. :)
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Cant stand these pair of gits, >:( >:(they have no talent, certainly not funny and anybody who would allow these creeps to be near them needs head examined. only problem is WE the british public are paying these a??holes wages. :-[ So we should get a say if they say or go. I sentence mucky Brand to a haircut,shave and a scrub for every day of his life. ;D as for Wossy he should get a lifetime of anti - smug lessons and speech therepy for life, ;D ;D In fact get rid of the beeb entirely and save everybody the liscence fee. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Pair of pr1cks. Used to think Wossy was quite entertaining but thats way over the top. As for Brand I can't stand the idiot.
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Why should they be?
I'm not a fan of Brand (or Ross for that matter), but both have made their comedic careers on taking the piss.
The message left on Andrew Sachs answer machine was a lot more than taking the piss
Agreed....
Why should someone of extended years be confronted with humour which, if truth be told, is literally 2 or 3 generations away from what is the elder persons accepted norm? I think they both overstepped the mark by a very long margin.... :'(
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Hiya B,
Where have you been hiding? :y
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Hiya B,
Where have you been hiding? :y
Me and her needed some quiet time away from the big bad world, so had some. Now back to cold reality...... ;)
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YES. THEY WERE OUT OF ORDER. They should be made to make a large donation to the charities of Andrew & his grand daughters choice.
This might not hurt them financially but it would help the said charities no end, make an example of the pair of pillocks & give some deserved closure to the Sachs family & everyone else who'se sick of hearing about it. :(
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Hiya B,
Where have you been hiding? :y
Me and her needed some quiet time away from the big bad world, so had some. Now back to cold reality...... ;)
Welcome back, and of course hope you are both well :) :y
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They should both go.
The reported behaviour would not be tolerated by you or I in our chosen professions.
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Hiya B,
Where have you been hiding? :y
Me and her needed some quiet time away from the big bad world, so had some. Now back to cold reality...... ;)
Welcome back, and of course hope you are both well :) :y
here here welcome back Brucie :y
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Hiya B,
Where have you been hiding? :y
Me and her needed some quiet time away from the big bad world, so had some. Now back to cold reality...... ;)
Welcome back, and of course hope you are both well :) :y
Ta. Were still here to moan about it, when we want to, so not all bad.... :y
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It appears that few of you on this forum like ross or brand I have to agree with you. Apparently though lots of other people out in the other world find their tasteless supposed humour very funny. It just show how little respect there is out there for other peoples feelings privacy or dignity. I feel sacking wuold not be good enough bring back the stocks in trafalgar square and allow the public to administer their own justice. :y
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Hiya B,
Where have you been hiding? :y
Me and her needed some quiet time away from the big bad world, so had some. Now back to cold reality...... ;)
Hi Broocie. Hope you & Liz enjoyed some time out. Went to Ellon last week & got back from Portlethen today....just keeping an eye on you!!!! 8-)
Welcome back, and of course hope you are both well :) :y
Ta. Were still here to moan about it, when we want to, so not all bad.... :y
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From the BBC website:
"Meanwhile, the pair have received strong support from Radio 1 listeners."
What does that imply, I wonder? ::)
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From the BBC website:
"Meanwhile, the pair have received strong support from Radio 1 listeners."
What does that imply, I wonder? ::)
What are you implying i wonder? Are you superior to R1 listeners?
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From the BBC website:
"Meanwhile, the pair have received strong support from Radio 1 listeners."
What does that imply, I wonder? ::)
What are you implying i wonder? Are you superior to R1 listeners?
Yep! I have a positive IQ, albeit just positive ;)
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From the BBC website:
"Meanwhile, the pair have received strong support from Radio 1 listeners."
What does that imply, I wonder? ::)
What are you implying i wonder? Are you superior to R1 listeners?
Yep! I have a positive IQ, albeit just positive ;)
"Just" Explains why your're happy on the bandwagon.
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From the BBC website:
"Meanwhile, the pair have received strong support from Radio 1 listeners."
What does that imply, I wonder? ::)
What are you implying i wonder? Are you superior to R1 listeners?
Yep! I have a positive IQ, albeit just positive ;)
"Just" Explains why your're happy on the bandwagon.
Huh?
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"just" positive iq? Are you that superior?
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"just" positive iq? Are you that superior?
I was being ironic. The fact of the matter is that, and I quote the BBC:
"Most of those who sent text messages to the youth-orientated station said reaction to the pranks had been "over the top".
I, and I think there are many like me, think that causing distress to someone by leaving filthy and abusive answerphone messages is indefensible. If the majority of "youf" listeners disagree, they are:
1. Thick
2. Devoid of morality
3. Beyond help
(Tick as appropriate)
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"just" positive iq? Are you that superior?
I was being ironic. The fact of the matter is that, and I quote the BBC:
"Most of those who sent text messages to the youth-orientated station said reaction to the pranks had been "over the top".
I, and I think there are many like me, think that causing distress to someone by leaving filthy and abusive answerphone messages is indefensible. If the majority of "youf" listeners disagree, they are:
1. Thick
2. Devoid of morality
3. Beyond help
(Tick as appropriate)
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Fair go mate, but i'm 45 so no longer a "yoof". I honestly think you're all overreacting. They were both out of order but i can't believe the press & outrage this relatively minor issue has attracted.
I think i'm divided with you all on this one but i'll stick my neck out once again, this is not worthy of the press....simple. ::)
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JR is a self obsessed overbearing egomaniac,give me Parky any day.
RB there are no words.
Whoever decided to let this pathetic nonentity on TV/radio should be deported at the very least.
To ring up a 78 yr old man and shout into his answerphone "he,s breaked your grandaughter" as Ross did is beneath contempt
To boast on the air about a sexual relationship with any female is beneath contempt.
To do this to a man who has more talent in his little finger than these two Specimens have in their whole beings(watch the repeats of fawlty towers) is an outrage.
I would love to see them fired and the firing to be a signal of a return to some degree of standards and basic human decency in public life in this country,but sadly I doubt it will happen.
Just my tuppence worth. :( :( :(
And while we are talking about radio 1,it now has an ever dwindling share of the market and couldnt possibly survive in the private sector and should therefore be taken off the airwaves. :y
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I find it worrying that Brand and Ross appear to have so much influence over young people, who seem to think their behaviour is acceptable , if the Radio one survey is anything to go by.
If anyone thinks this sort of thing is acceptable, maybe they should ask themselves a couple of questions.
Would they have any problem if their son/daughter did something similar?
Would they have any problem if it was done to their elderly relative?
I agree that Brand and Ross should be sacked and prosecuted, and I also agree that they are both talentless egocentrics who rely on sensationalism , innuendo and blatant filth to raise an easy laugh from a mindless audience.
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Many youngsters look to people like Brand as an example of how to bahave. The old well if he does it they I can attitude.
I would rather they kept their jobs and be shown to have been in the wrong, to accept that themselves and publicly and openly shift their behaviour accordingly hopefully getting the message through to young-uns about how they should behave. Take em away and youngsters wont take much notice.
Dont forget the infuence the popular kid in school had on the masses :y
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what i cannot stand is garbage like the Sun and the Mail getting on their high horses - it actually makes me feel ill!!!
some of the shameful lies these 2 in particular have vomited on our streets in the guise of news beggars belief
Yes, Ross and Brand went over the top and they've apologised for it
No, you don't sack them
Storm in a teacup - interestingly, the BBC received 10000 sorry 5000 sorry 500 oops - errr....3 complaints when it was broadcast, so who are these 9997 pious listeners who weren't offended until the tabloids told them they should be?
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what i cannot stand is garbage like the Sun and the Mail getting on their high horses - it actually makes me feel ill!!!
some of the shameful lies these 2 in particular have vomited on our streets in the guise of news beggars belief
Yes, Ross and Brand went over the top and they've apologised for it
No, you don't sack them
Storm in a teacup - interestingly, the BBC received 10000 sorry 5000 sorry 500 oops - errr....3 complaints when it was broadcast, so who are these 9997 pious listeners who weren't offended until the tabloids told them they should be?
When the Sun and the Mail leave messages on a 78 year-old's private answerphone saying they have shagged his granddaughter, I'll agree.
As for the number of complainants who did not hear the original broadcast, it's irrelevant. As licence-fee payers, we all have a right to comment on the BBC's output, whether or not we witnessed it at the time of broadcast. >:(
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what i cannot stand is garbage like the Sun and the Mail getting on their high horses - it actually makes me feel ill!!!
some of the shameful lies these 2 in particular have vomited on our streets in the guise of news beggars belief
Yes, Ross and Brand went over the top and they've apologised for it
No, you don't sack them
Storm in a teacup - interestingly, the BBC received 10000 sorry 5000 sorry 500 oops - errr....3 complaints when it was broadcast, so who are these 9997 pious listeners who weren't offended until the tabloids told them they should be?
When the Sun and the Mail leave messages on a 78 year-old's private answerphone saying they have shagged his granddaughter, I'll agree.
As for the number of complainants who did not hear the original broadcast, it's irrelevant. As licence-fee payers, we all have a right to comment on the BBC's output, whether or not we witnessed it at the time of broadcast. >:(
you're defending the integrity of the tabloids?
I dont think Ross or Brand exactly covered themselves in glory - i listened to the recording on Youtube - you can literally feel it spinning out of control - yes it went too far but they're all part of the same game aren't they? if you listen to it - theres no malice or evil there, theres embarrassment, shame and apologies from Ross and Brand.
imagine how dull life would be if no one was offended or allowed to be offended - you can't just scream for peoples heads on the slightest mistake or error of judgement :o
of those who heard the broadcast - 3 people found it necessary to complain - are you saying that we should be governed on what we can and can't have access to by a tiny, vocal and easily offended minority?
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There probably wasnt much more than 3 people listening,they dont operate on a commercial basis.The gaurdianistas in linen suits hi jacked the beeb and turned it into their own private little kingdom a long time ago.
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They have just been suspended.(should be by their necks.) :y
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what i cannot stand is garbage like the Sun and the Mail getting on their high horses - it actually makes me feel ill!!!
some of the shameful lies these 2 in particular have vomited on our streets in the guise of news beggars belief
Yes, Ross and Brand went over the top and they've apologised for it
No, you don't sack them
Storm in a teacup - interestingly, the BBC received 10000 sorry 5000 sorry 500 oops - errr....3 complaints when it was broadcast, so who are these 9997 pious listeners who weren't offended until the tabloids told them they should be?
When the Sun and the Mail leave messages on a 78 year-old's private answerphone saying they have shagged his granddaughter, I'll agree.
As for the number of complainants who did not hear the original broadcast, it's irrelevant. As licence-fee payers, we all have a right to comment on the BBC's output, whether or not we witnessed it at the time of broadcast. >:(
you're defending the integrity of the tabloids?
I dont think Ross or Brand exactly covered themselves in glory - i listened to the recording on Youtube - you can literally feel it spinning out of control - yes it went too far but they're all part of the same game aren't they? if you listen to it - theres no malice or evil there, theres embarrassment, shame and apologies from Ross and Brand.
imagine how dull life would be if no one was offended or allowed to be offended - you can't just scream for peoples heads on the slightest mistake or error of judgement :o
of those who heard the broadcast - 3 people found it necessary to complain - are you saying that we should be governed on what we can and can't have access to by a tiny, vocal and easily offended minority?
No, I'm not making a wholesale defence of the tabloids, and I think you know that. This whole episode centres around the broadcast of the deeply disturbing act of leaving highly offensive messages on someone's private answering machine...in the name of entertainment.
I don't have a granddaughter, but if someone left a giggling message on my answerphone to allege that they had had sex with her, I would be outraged. If it was then broadcast to the nation, I would be more than outraged, I would be beside myself. That's not being easily offended, in my book, and I'm surprised you use that phrase.
And I stand by what I said earlier, that as licence-payers we all have a right to complain about the BBC's output whether or not we heard it. Incidentally, the BBC is not exactly easy to complain to and I should imagine that, on a Saturday night, it would be nigh on impossible to find anyone who would listen.
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I have already stated my view on these two, but it has to be said there is a danger in making them the whipping boys of all our societies ill's.
For decades the society we live in has seen its standards of decency, and what we believe is acceptable in public, to fall dramitically. I was one in my youth, I thought amoungst what seemed like everyone else, who ridiculed Mary Whitehouse and others like her. Now I do wonder where our society is heading in so many ways, with Brand and Ross an almost insignificant part of it. ::) ::)
As I stated in an earlier post, what worries me more is Gordon Brown, David Cameron and the House of Commons in general, spending time on this instead of dealing with far greater issues of importance, unless they are going to sort the morals of our Country out in one go! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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what i cannot stand is garbage like the Sun and the Mail getting on their high horses - it actually makes me feel ill!!!
some of the shameful lies these 2 in particular have vomited on our streets in the guise of news beggars belief
Yes, Ross and Brand went over the top and they've apologised for it
No, you don't sack them
Storm in a teacup - interestingly, the BBC received 10000 sorry 5000 sorry 500 oops - errr....3 complaints when it was broadcast, so who are these 9997 pious listeners who weren't offended until the tabloids told them they should be?
When the Sun and the Mail leave messages on a 78 year-old's private answerphone saying they have shagged his granddaughter, I'll agree.
As for the number of complainants who did not hear the original broadcast, it's irrelevant. As licence-fee payers, we all have a right to comment on the BBC's output, whether or not we witnessed it at the time of broadcast. >:(
you're defending the integrity of the tabloids?
I dont think Ross or Brand exactly covered themselves in glory - i listened to the recording on Youtube - you can literally feel it spinning out of control - yes it went too far but they're all part of the same game aren't they? if you listen to it - theres no malice or evil there, theres embarrassment, shame and apologies from Ross and Brand.
imagine how dull life would be if no one was offended or allowed to be offended - you can't just scream for peoples heads on the slightest mistake or error of judgement :o
of those who heard the broadcast - 3 people found it necessary to complain - are you saying that we should be governed on what we can and can't have access to by a tiny, vocal and easily offended minority?
No, I'm not making a wholesale defence of the tabloids, and I think you know that. This whole episode centres around the broadcast of the deeply disturbing act of leaving highly offensive messages on someone's private answering machine...in the name of entertainment.
I don't have a granddaughter, but if someone left a giggling message on my answerphone to allege that they had had sex with her, I would be outraged. If it was then broadcast to the nation, I would be more than outraged, I would be beside myself. That's not being easily offended, in my book, and I'm surprised you use that phrase.
And I stand by what I said earlier, that as licence-payers we all have a right to complain about the BBC's output whether or not we heard it. Incidentally, the BBC is not exactly easy to complain to and I should imagine that, on a Saturday night, it would be nigh on impossible to find anyone who would listen.
No no - I can totally see how Andrew Sachs was offended - what I don't get is how suddenly theres 18000 all throwing their hands up - congratulations - yet again, by kowtowing to the moral minority we sink further back to having our views and freedoms suppressed by 2 people (complainant 1 and complainant 2) and once more the beeb has crumbled under pressure from the tabloids ffs!!!
I love the Beeb - but this lack of a spine is beginning to annoy me - stand up for yourself Auntie!!!
absolutely ludicrous - why not have the editors of the tabloids run the country then - they may as well
i'm actually furious the more i think of it
how dare anyone tell me what i can or can't listen to!!!!!
furthermore - how can anyone complain about something they haven't heard??
finally - the BBC is probably the easiest place to make a complaint.
pathetic from the politicians, pathetic from the tabloids
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I believe that Brand is a mysogonist.He is infamous for using woman for sex and then dropping them in the most hurtful way he can think of.He pulled a similar trick by announcing to the audience at a function that he had slept with Kimberley Stewart when both she and her dad (Rod)were present.
Rod took the Mic, and laid into him and nearly made him cry in front of his little friends,he ended up grovelling for forgiveness. Shame he didnt learn his lesson then.
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Just been on the News ahat Brand and Ross have been prevented from broadcasting pending an enquiry. :y
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Glad they've both been suspended :)
JR goes too far on his TV shows all the time, and it's about time he was given a reality check.
I know I don't understand young people, and don't know why they do the things they do in the name of entertainment, but Russell Brand is just a step too far. Outrageousness for it's own sake isn't amusing - it never has been. We've had this sort of anarchic disrupter before, and they've always come to grief. Just think back to what Kenny Everett got away with before he got sacked by the Beeb. Mind you, he was funny. Russell Brand may have the odd amusing moment, but his entire persona revolts me. Hope he gets the chop. >:(
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At times Ross can be quite entertaining but I don't even know who Brand is. He / She looks like something you would see in a transvestite bar, can't even be sure what gender Brand is to be honest. When so-called entertainers have to resort to this type of " humour " it just shows how little they have to offer. If either of their shows are being repeated on the Dave channel in 25 years then I must be wrong. More likely that the recordings will have been environmentally disposed of.
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this isnt an argument- just because you dont personally find someone to your taste doesnt give you the right to ban them.
i cant stand Anne Robinson but i know millions watch her
it's a dangerous road
put down the pitchforks peeps :y
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I ,as a licence fee payer,very strongly object to people who have no grasp of basic human decency being paid large sums of money to broadcast gratuitously offensive claptrap on the radio.
The reason the beeb isnt exposed to the normal commercial reality is ,supposedly to allow it to concentrate on high quality/cultured/informative programmes rather than chasing ratings for ratings sake.
It obviously threw this baby out with the bath water a long time ago,so the licence fee should be abolished.
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I'm not sure the arguement that only 3 people complained initially holds water. Surely this is a reflection of the standards of the viewer they get.
Presumably the thousands who complained afterwards wouldn't have watched such trash in the first place , but felt forced to complain once they knew the facts of the case.
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And we havent yet mentioned the fact that after they had left the message on his answerphone,they then joked that he might hang himself when he heard it.
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Brand I have no time for Wossy can be very entertaining when he is not being silly, but when he gets silly he can be very embarrasing to watch.
Wossy did take flowers around and apologised in person.
I have more worries about Brand.
BTW neither of them are comedians!
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Both are now suspended, pending BBC investigation.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7696714.stm
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Edgy entertainers are "edgy" so always close to going too far but despite the majority on here climbing on the collective hang 'em thread, the fact that Ross at least is so well paid means folk like him regardless, simple. I listened to Jeremy Drone, sorry Vine today & there was one well made point. The programme was pre recorded & there are producers, censors in place to ensure certian unsuitable quotes are'nt broadcast...bit like an admin? Andrew Sachs had been contacted & asked for it not to be broadcasted so the producers should be held to task as well as they had the power to stop it but did'nt.
Out of interest are they on pay while suspended? ::)
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Edgy entertainers are "edgy" so always close to going too far but despite the majority on here climbing on the collective hang 'em thread, the fact that Ross at least is so well paid means folk like him regardless, simple. I listened to Jeremy Drone, sorry Vine today & there was one well made point. The programme was pre recorded & there are producers, censors in place to ensure certian unsuitable quotes are'nt broadcast...bit like an admin? Andrew Sachs had been contacted & asked for it not to be broadcasted so the producers should be held to task as well as they had the power to stop it but did'nt.
Out of interest are they on pay while suspended? ::)
I believe they are under contract so, as in the case of any employee under contract, they would be paid during any disciplinary or enquiry process for legal reasons. ;)
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Edgy entertainers are "edgy" so always close to going too far but despite the majority on here climbing on the collective hang 'em thread, the fact that Ross at least is so well paid means folk like him regardless, simple. I listened to Jeremy Drone, sorry Vine today & there was one well made point. The programme was pre recorded & there are producers, censors in place to ensure certian unsuitable quotes are'nt broadcast...bit like an admin? Andrew Sachs had been contacted & asked for it not to be broadcasted so the producers should be held to task as well as they had the power to stop it but did'nt.
Out of interest are they on pay while suspended? ::)
Yes, I heard that, too. However, these so-called edgy comedians should not rely on producers to tell them what's acceptable and what isn't (especially in this case). That's just a plain denial of responsibility. "We phoned up an old man and swore down the phone at him and made allegations about his granddaughter but the producer should have told us it was wrong..." :-?
Sorry, doesn't wash with me, I'm afraid. :(
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It has just been announced that Brand is going to resign from his radio show! :y
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It wouldn't surprise me if they do get fired they have severance clauses in there contract that would result in a large payout of licence payers money >:(
It wouldn't take long for another t.v. station to offer them new shows either.
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It has just been announced that Brand is going to resign from his radio show! :y
In a way i think that is a bad thing....
He should have been made to face the humility of being sacked, in this instance i would imagine he has been briefed that he was going to face serious repercussions and so decided to jump, he can then claim 'it was the right thing to do' and so claim he was a martyr.
I wonder if they were in breach of the telecommunications act? bit of a strange one i know but you never know, however Sachs has decided not to report his issue to the police
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It wouldn't surprise me if they do get fired they have severance clauses in there contract that would result in a large payout of licence payers money >:(
It wouldn't take long for another t.v. station to offer them new shows either.
Don't worry about Brand costing us more than he has already, as I have said above Tony it has been announced (by BBC News 24) that he is resigning. :y
EDIT: Brand has now actually resigned :y
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EDIT: Brand has now actually resigned
Resigned from his show on Radio 2 is what they reported. So not necessarily from the BBC. :-?
Kevin
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EDIT: Brand has now actually resigned
Resigned from his show on Radio 2 is what they reported. So not necessarily from the BBC. :-?
Kevin
So what are the other shows that Brand is contracted to do on the BBC Kevin? :-? :-?
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Brand just stated he'll no longer work for the beeb but has a ch4 show starting next week, so he's covered.
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Edgy entertainers are "edgy" so always close to going too far but despite the majority on here climbing on the collective hang 'em thread, the fact that Ross at least is so well paid means folk like him regardless, simple. I listened to Jeremy Drone, sorry Vine today & there was one well made point. The programme was pre recorded & there are producers, censors in place to ensure certian unsuitable quotes are'nt broadcast...bit like an admin? Andrew Sachs had been contacted & asked for it not to be broadcasted so the producers should be held to task as well as they had the power to stop it but did'nt.
Out of interest are they on pay while suspended? ::)
Yes, I heard that, too. However, these so-called edgy comedians should not rely on producers to tell them what's acceptable and what isn't (especially in this case). That's just a plain denial of responsibility. "We phoned up an old man and swore down the phone at him and made allegations about his granddaughter but the producer should have told us it was wrong..." :-?
Sorry, doesn't wash with me, I'm afraid. :(
True, they did wrong & it's down to them but the producers/censors should've canned it. This came from the beeb today, not just another of my stroppy opinions!!! ;D
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brand thinks hes some kind of porn star- tw&t and ross never knows when to draw a line -sack them both. >:(
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Edgy entertainers are "edgy" so always close to going too far but despite the majority on here climbing on the collective hang 'em thread, the fact that Ross at least is so well paid means folk like him regardless, simple. I listened to Jeremy Drone, sorry Vine today & there was one well made point. The programme was pre recorded & there are producers, censors in place to ensure certian unsuitable quotes are'nt broadcast...bit like an admin? Andrew Sachs had been contacted & asked for it not to be broadcasted so the producers should be held to task as well as they had the power to stop it but did'nt.
Out of interest are they on pay while suspended? ::)
Yes, I heard that, too. However, these so-called edgy comedians should not rely on producers to tell them what's acceptable and what isn't (especially in this case). That's just a plain denial of responsibility. "We phoned up an old man and swore down the phone at him and made allegations about his granddaughter but the producer should have told us it was wrong..." :-?
Sorry, doesn't wash with me, I'm afraid. :(
Comedians or Clowns?
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not a dig at this forum, as its exactly that - a discussion forum - but to the rest of society i have a question...
Hows the recession?
The exposure this is getting in the press is diabolical.
Im quite perturbed at the profile of the individual in question and that she is trying to act embarrassed. I think not, she doesnt look like Ms Prim and Proper.
And as for Manuel.....has anyone every watched the character he played in Fawlty Towers.
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Remember, before the media blew this up, as they do, there were 2 complaints made, and this was for bad language.
Somebody should sack the media who seem to be all powerful, and not answerable to anyone.
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EDIT: Brand has now actually resigned
Resigned from his show on Radio 2 is what they reported. So not necessarily from the BBC. :-?
Kevin
So what are the other shows that Brand is contracted to do on the BBC Kevin? :-? :-?
No idea. I am just recounting what I heard, which might have been "carefully worded". ;)
Kevin
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Can't stand Russell Brand, could never see the appeal. >:( He sounds like he's swallowed a dictionary. Since when did talking mince and adding a few big words into the spiel make you a comedian. I tried listening to the show and turned it off half way through because the guy irritates so much.
He also looks like a bearded lady. Sack him.
'Nuff said!
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not a dig at this forum, as its exactly that - a discussion forum - but to the rest of society i have a question...
Hows the recession?
The exposure this is getting in the press is diabolical.
Im quite perturbed at the profile of the individual in question and that she is trying to act embarrassed. I think not, she doesnt look like Ms Prim and Proper.
And as for Manuel.....has anyone every watched the character he played in Fawlty Towers.
I do not see how what this girl is or looks like has anything to do with it! This young lady had her private life exposed in a lured manner by two goons being highly offensive down a telephone line to a respectable old actor (what Manual are you thinking of?) who is the girl's Grandfather. That is beyond decency and illegal!
From what you say Markie you are suggesting that "she deserved" this humilation on Radio, like a girl in a short skirt deserves to be raped!! >:( >:(
If she now "sells" her story as she appears to have done to the Sun, so beit! :y :y At least she will get something out of it. ;)
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Most of you are still on the bandwagon, which is easy to do. From the outset i've disagreed with what they've done but my point has been this is overkill. This was the first story on tonights news. The 2nd was a toddler who died at a nursery. Says something for what the british public care about. I know which is more important to me but obviously i'm in the minority here.
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not a dig at this forum, as its exactly that - a discussion forum - but to the rest of society i have a question...
Hows the recession?
The exposure this is getting in the press is diabolical.
Im quite perturbed at the profile of the individual in question and that she is trying to act embarrassed. I think not, she doesnt look like Ms Prim and Proper.
And as for Manuel.....has anyone every watched the character he played in Fawlty Towers.
I do not see how what this girl is or looks like has anything to do with it! This young lady had her private life exposed in a lured manner by two goons being highly offensive down a telephone line to a respectable old actor (what Manual are you thinking of?) who is the girl's Grandfather. That is beyond decency and illegal!
From what you say Markie you are suggesting that "she deserved" this humilation on Radio, like a girl in a short skirt deserves to be rapped!! >:( >:(
If she now "sells" her story as she appears to have done to the Sun, so beit! :y :y At least she will get something out of it. ;)
No very simply put an ex page 3 girl who dances in a burlesque group called the " satanic sluts" and makes her living from provocation will not be embarrassed by this situation.
I am not saying she deserved it, and i am certainly not saying the conduct of the two was correct just that i feel the two injured parties are making more of this than they really feel.
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...and i think the "introduction" of Max Clifford really says it all about integrity.
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Most of you are still on the bandwagon, which is easy to do. From the outset i've disagreed with what they've done but my point has been this is overkill. This was the first story on tonights news. The 2nd was a toddler who died at a nursery. Says something for what the british public care about. I know which is more important to me but obviously i'm in the minority here.
Totally agree. 100% :y
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...and i think the "introduction" of Max Clifford really says it all about integrity.
Come the revolution he will up againt the wall ;D ;D
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Remember, before the media blew this up, as they do, there were 2 complaints made, and this was for bad language.
Somebody should sack the media who seem to be all powerful, and not answerable to anyone.
Yes ...it is all over the front pages of the "gutter press" and sadly even the "adult" newspapers have jumped on the bandwagon.
A mistake sure...but lets get this into perspective....no one has died and there are far worse things going on in the world as I type this.....time to move on. :y :y :y :y
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Andrew Sachs response to the whole episode has exhibited restraint ,decorum and class on a level which these two playground bullies could not begin to grasp.
Btw Ross,s recent new contract means he gets paid £18 million of our money for this kind of dross. ::) >:(
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Remember, before the media blew this up, as they do, there were 2 complaints made, and this was for bad language.
Somebody should sack the media who seem to be all powerful, and not answerable to anyone.
Yes ...it is all over the front pages of the "gutter press" and sadly even the "adult" newspapers have jumped on the bandwagon.
A mistake sure...but lets get this into perspective....no one has died and there are far worse things going on in the world as I type this.....time to move on. :y :y :y :y
At last the voice of reason speaks. It's a minor story relatively speaking.
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If only a few people who see something complain about it, does that mean there is nothing to complain about ?
I shouldn't think many people who attended the Nazi rallies complained much, but most of the rest of the world did , eventually.
I'm not really comparing Ross and Brand to the Nazis , but I think the insidious effect that this sort of behaviour has , is underestimated.
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If only a few people who see something complain about it, does that mean there is nothing to complain about ?
I shouldn't think many people who attended the Nazi rallies complained much, but most of the rest of the world did , eventually.
I'm not really comparing Ross and Brand to the Nazis , but I think the insidious effect that this sort of behaviour has , is underestimated.
This was a non-story before media started...
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Its their job to inform us if our money is being spent on this kind of thing.
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Its their job to inform us if our money is being spent on this kind of thing.
I don't think we needed anyone to tell us that, does'nt take much working out really does it? Do you write to points of view? ::)
Love the Bob Dylan subterranean homesick blues though :y The pumps don't work 'cos the vandals took the handles!!!! :y
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I detest Brand, and find Ross tedious - sometimes funny, mostly a bit predictable.
But, I would still rather watch them than knobenders and such dross.
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Ross has his moments if a good guest is on but Brand...total unfunny tosser.
Brand was good when on drugs on MTV interviewing pillheads but that was a long time ago...
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Remember, before the media blew this up, as they do, there were 2 complaints made, and this was for bad language.
Somebody should sack the media who seem to be all powerful, and not answerable to anyone.
Yes ...it is all over the front pages of the "gutter press" and sadly even the "adult" newspapers have jumped on the bandwagon.
A mistake sure...but lets get this into perspective....no one has died and there are far worse things going on in the world as I type this.....time to move on. :y :y :y :y
At last the voice of reason speaks. It's a minor story relatively speaking.
Yes, it is a relatively minor story, but it nevertheless tells us a lot about society and therefore it is quite big. Many threads here on OOF originate from acts of mindlessness, especially by youngsters. When that happens, there is an outpouring of indignation, and quite rightly in my view.
What we have here are two celebrities who, it would seem, are held in high regard by younger audiences. I have seen and heard a number of younger people say "It was funny" (therefore no problem); it was "pushing the boundaries" (therefore no problem); "there are bigger things going in the world" (therefore no problem). The fact that these two clowns broke many moral codes by their actions meant that this was actually quite a defining moment in broadcasting history. Should the BBC have given unqualified support? Should they (and maybe will) sack them? The BBC has found itself in difficult position and, belatedly, has decided to come down hard. There are moral boundaries, across which these two went. That's good news since, in a small way, it is sending the signal that, despite the youthful desire for "edginess" and "no boundaries", there is still a semblance of morality within the general public. Without such a morality, we would have a feral society.
After all, if a kid ran across your Mig, denting the bonnet and roof and he and twenty mates then said to you "Why should I apologise? It was funny". Would you honestly say. "Yeah, you're right, kids, it was edgy stuff and anyway I'm more worried about the recession"? ;)
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The BBC have now no option whether or not to sack/let them resign.
Regardless of the rights or wrongs, the media have ensured there is no other outcome. Thats wrong.
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Remember, before the media blew this up, as they do, there were 2 complaints made, and this was for bad language.
Somebody should sack the media who seem to be all powerful, and not answerable to anyone.
Yes ...it is all over the front pages of the "gutter press" and sadly even the "adult" newspapers have jumped on the bandwagon.
A mistake sure...but lets get this into perspective....no one has died and there are far worse things going on in the world as I type this.....time to move on. :y :y :y :y
At last the voice of reason speaks. It's a minor story relatively speaking.
Yes, it is a relatively minor story, but it nevertheless tells us a lot about society and therefore it is quite big. Many threads here on OOF originate from acts of mindlessness, especially by youngsters. When that happens, there is an outpouring of indignation, and quite rightly in my view.
What we have here are two celebrities who, it would seem, are held in high regard by younger audiences. I have seen and heard a number of younger people say "It was funny" (therefore no problem); it was "pushing the boundaries" (therefore no problem); "there are bigger things going in the world" (therefore no problem). The fact that these two clowns broke many moral codes by their actions meant that this was actually quite a defining moment in broadcasting history. Should the BBC have given unqualified support? Should they (and maybe will) sack them? The BBC has found itself in difficult position and, belatedly, has decided to come down hard. There are moral boundaries, across which these two went. That's good news since, in a small way, it is sending the signal that, despite the youthful desire for "edginess" and "no boundaries", there is still a semblance of morality within the general public. Without such a morality, we would have a feral society.
After all, if a kid ran across your Mig, denting the bonnet and roof and he and twenty mates then said to you "Why should I apologise? It was funny". Would you honestly say. "Yeah, you're right, kids, it was edgy stuff and anyway I'm more worried about the recession"? ;)
Absolutely spot on Nickbat! :y :y
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Stuff htem two what about David Tennant needing replacing at Doctor Who
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Sorry Martin, not a Dr. Who fan so don't care but Chris Moyles suggested (amongst others) Christopher Biggins which i found funny for some reason & it could work?
Nickbat:- Hold onto your hat..... i agree with your Omega bonnet comparison about what's important to some etc.... fair go.
Ross has been suspended without pay for a sum totalling 1.4 1.5 million. Do the Beeb keep this money as a saving?
Maybe it should go to charities of the Sachs family's choice? That would bring some closure. 8-)
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Long overdue. They both needed bringing down to earth. Ross can be entertaining, but usually at the cost of others. Certainly not worth £18m over 3 years. Brand isn't worth £18m over 3 lifetimes.
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well. sacking wossy wouldnt make a difference to him. he wouldnt starve. loosing 1.5 is just pocket money. he will become a figure of noteriety and get more from appearence money and books. ifyou or I lost our jobs we could lose our houses. not fair
ARH1
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well. sacking wossy wouldnt make a difference to him. he wouldnt starve. loosing 1.5 is just pocket money. he will become a figure of noteriety and get more from appearence money and books. ifyou or I lost our jobs we could lose our houses. not fair
ARH1
Fair point.
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yes = 63
no = 18
not sure = 4
interesting. :)
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Did Brand pay to sleep with the granddaughter?
I heard she charges about £130 an hour!
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Sack the lot of em I say, overpaid t**ts, just paid my licence fee this mornin an all >:(, and rarely watch BBC >:(
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Sack the lot of em I say, overpaid t**ts, just paid my licence fee this mornin an all >:(, and rarely watch BBC >:(
same here, never watch bbc, should do away with the licence fee and pay the way you do with sky. would anyone want the channels.
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Did Brand pay to sleep with the granddaughter?
I heard she charges about £130 an hour!
Martin!! :o :o :o :o :o Do you know that as a fact, or is it a lump of mud you are slinging at a very modern young girl who you believe has no moral's. :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-?
That is some libellous judgement call you have made there, and I hope you are sure of the facts! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Did Brand pay to sleep with the granddaughter?
I heard she charges about £130 an hour!
Martin!! :o :o :o :o :o Do you know that as a fact, or is it a lump of mud you are slinging at a very modern young girl who you believe has no moral's. :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-?
That is some libellous judgement call you have made there, and I hope you are sure of the facts! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Are you questioning the "fact that she may charge" or the "amount that she may charge"
::) ::)
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Sack the lot of em I say, overpaid t**ts, just paid my licence fee this mornin an all >:(, and rarely watch BBC >:(
same here, never watch bbc, should do away with the licence fee and pay the way you do with sky. would anyone want the channels.
Regardless of the faults the BBC do have at times, I believe it is worth paying £132 a year for a great deal of tremendous output that Auntie produces.
Wonderful drama's, significant documentaries, and more importantly than even than that, unbiased news programmes. 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) What other broadcaster would allow it's own staff in the news department to really investigate the B & R affair and make some very daming statements over it repeatedly over a number of days, even probing the Director General on air? 8-) 8-)
If you don't watch the BBC, how do you know the quality of the BBC output?? ::) ::) ::) I have friends with Sky and most of the time it is on, but not being watched, as it is mostly American productions of dubious quality or "sales" programmes that are......well.......what can you say other than, I'll go to the shops for the exicitement of that!! :-X :-X :-X :-X The rest can be obtained with a Freeview box! 8-) 8-) 8-)
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Did Brand pay to sleep with the granddaughter?
I heard she charges about £130 an hour!
Martin!! :o :o :o :o :o Do you know that as a fact, or is it a lump of mud you are slinging at a very modern young girl who you believe has no moral's. :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-?
That is some libellous judgement call you have made there, and I hope you are sure of the facts! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Are you questioning the "fact that she may charge" or the "amount that she may charge"
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Martin you are being horrible to this young girl! :( :(
Would you say the same it it was your daughter / grandaughter?? ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Lizzie, you're right. :y
"I heard she charges..."
Without factual evidence, this is just nasty hearsay. :(
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Did Brand pay to sleep with the granddaughter?
I heard she charges about £130 an hour!
Martin!! :o :o :o :o :o Do you know that as a fact, or is it a lump of mud you are slinging at a very modern young girl who you believe has no moral's. :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-?
That is some libellous judgement call you have made there, and I hope you are sure of the facts! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Are you questioning the "fact that she may charge" or the "amount that she may charge"
::) ::)
Martin you are being horrible to this young girl! :( :(
Would you say the same it it was your daughter / grandaughter?? ::) ::) ::) ::)
Having only followed the story from the headlines, I voted for sacking based on the the prior knowledge of the two dipsticks involved and the fact that this was harrassment at best and not something to be expected from people in their position as entertainers.
I had no knowledge of what the young lady in question did for a living and from the previous posts, asked with tongue firmly in cheek for clarification :-/
Regarding my daughters;
I hope that I have equiped my 3 daughters ((18-24) 1 working mother, 1 in full time employment since leaving school and 1 following a career in nursery care)with the skills to handle most eventuallities they face in the life they chose to lead. In the event that they may stumble on their journey I will do my best to pick them up, dust them down and send them on their way again.
I have on numerous occasions through the hormonal and experimental years, heard disrespectful comments regarding 1 or more of my daughters, and can say that in the main they have been made by people with the same sort of attitude as the presenters at the head of the tread. i.e. people whom should be removed from the gene pool at the earliest opportunity. ;) ;)
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Afaik she is a singer in a band. :-/
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Afaik she is a singer in a band. :-/
What has that to do with it??!! :o :o :o :o
Sounds like the attitude of 100 years ago when all actresses were 'loose' woman of dubious morals!! >:( >:( >:( Wrong then, wrong now! :( :(
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I was simply saying that as far as I know she is a singer in a band,rather than someone who charges men for sex. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Afaik she is a singer in a band. :-/
What has that to do with it??!! :o :o :o :o
Sounds like the attitude of 100 years ago when all actresses were 'loose' woman of dubious morals!! >:( >:( >:( Wrong then, wrong now! :( :(
I think you misunderstood Albitz, Lizzie. :-[
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I haven't voted on this because I do not know the facts -- only snippets picked up here and there.
However, I think the pair should be sacked based on my (unworthy) opinion that neither of them should be on air in the first place :P
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Afaik she is a singer in a band. :-/
What has that to do with it??!! :o :o :o :o
Sounds like the attitude of 100 years ago when all actresses were 'loose' woman of dubious morals!! >:( >:( >:( Wrong then, wrong now! :( :(
I think you misunderstood Albitz, Lizzie. :-[
I don't think she did ::)...did you Lizzie ::)
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Afaik she is a singer in a band. :-/
What has that to do with it??!! :o :o :o :o
Sounds like the attitude of 100 years ago when all actresses were 'loose' woman of dubious morals!! >:( >:( >:( Wrong then, wrong now! :( :(
I think you misunderstood Albitz, Lizzie. :-[
I don't think she did ::)...did you Lizzie ::)
SORRY Albitz and thanks the rest as I DID misunderstand what you were saying :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ I thought you were having a dig at girl singers in bands!! ::) ::)
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My sister was a singer in bands for about 20 years.
dont think she ever earned £130 an hour though. ;) ;D ;D
Thankyou for the apology LZ. :)
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I did not sure - don't have all the facts and I'm not kneejerking - that is a job for the government
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I did not sure - don't have all the facts and I'm not kneejerking - that is a job for the government
;D ;D ;D ;D Nice dig Martin!! :y ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y
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http://latestnews.virginmedia.com/news/entertainment/2008/11/01/wogan_ross_may_not_return_to_bbc
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I did not sure - don't have all the facts and I'm not kneejerking - that is a job for the government
;D ;D ;D ;D Nice dig Martin!! :y ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y
.....but accurate !
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I did not sure - don't have all the facts and I'm not kneejerking - that is a job for the government
;D ;D ;D ;D Nice dig Martin!! :y ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y
.....but accurate !
Indeed it is HC with the currrent lot of wankxrs!!! :( :(
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With this you have to let everything come out in the wash before you complain or condemn.
It does appear that the chain was.
1) Manuel didn't turn up
2) Wossy went on tpots show
3) TPot decided to phone Manuel
4) Wossy told some truth
5) Both TPot and Wossy kept at it and got stupid and abusive
6) TP and WOssy apologised
7) Manuel was gracious and accepted the apologies.
8) Tart pushed it for all her worth to get publicity
Out of the lot Manuel come out best
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With this you have to let everything come out in the wash before you complain or condemn.
It does appear that the chain was.
1) Manuel didn't turn up
2) Wossy went on tpots show
3) TPot decided to phone Manuel
4) Wossy told some truth
5) Both TPot and Wossy kept at it and got stupid and abusive
6) TP and WOssy apologised
7) Manuel was gracious and accepted the apologies.
8) Tart pushed it for all her worth to get publicity
Out of the lot Manuel come out best
Would not argue with that Martin! ;) :y :y