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Title: CBT Passed
Post by: tunnie on 31 October 2008, 17:28:51
YaY - Passed!

Much more professional place this time, learnt loads more than the other idiot said, much more involved. Spent about 45 mins in a classroom being shown road positions during corners, junctions ect, what to do.

Last place i used he spent 5 mins on it, with a picture on the inside of his Van!

Instruction was much better, when a mistake was made, said no worries, do this this and this, and try again. When done right, said perfect and a pat on back, great confidence booster. None of this swearing black and blue and foaming at the mouth the last guy did.

Very much impressed, was really disappointed when he told us we were heading back, i wanted more!! Was great fun dropping it to second, then pulling away hardish into 3rd.

Gave it some beans once, thinking yeah baby, damn this is fast! Looked down, was only doing 35  :-[  ;D  :D

Next is the DAS course with the same place!
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: Jimbob on 31 October 2008, 17:31:22
Congrats mate!
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: hotel21 on 31 October 2008, 17:33:07
Well done, glad the second instructor was much more professional....  :y

No rain then??   :P

 ;D
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: tunnie on 31 October 2008, 17:38:30
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Well done, glad the second instructor was much more professional....  :y

No rain then??   :P

 ;D

No, but i was cold! Put some waterproof trousers on to help with the wind chill, felt fine! Nice and toasty, some 16 year old kid on the twist and go was freezing hits nuts off.

I must have done all right, there was 2 of us on the geared bikes, but one girl could not get the hang of changing gears, and she was put on a twist and go.

Car said 2.5 degress when i got in shortly after we finished, so it was cold, but with the gear on was fine.

I still firmly believe i only wanted to learn in the dry, sooo much to think about. Slipping the clutch, riding the rear brake in the corners, tigher turns. Now however, i would not be bothered by rain when i do the DAS.
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: Tony H on 31 October 2008, 17:39:50
Congrats Tunnie and you right it always seems faster on two wheels especially if your not wearing a full face helmet and your eyes start to water so you can't see where your bl@@dy going!  :o
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: albitz on 31 October 2008, 17:54:25
well done Tunnie,pleased for you after your original experience.
sounds like your starting to get hooked already,this time next year ,a Fireblade. :y ;D ;D
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: VXL V6 on 31 October 2008, 17:55:48
Well Done!  :y
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: TheBoy on 31 October 2008, 17:56:05
Well done Tunnie :y, pleased you didn't bottle out this time.

Now don't try the same stunt of 'giving it beans pulling hard in 2nd' if you get on my ZX10...  ...you're far too light ;D


Good luck with the DAS when you do it - bigger bikes, even 500cc twins which they tend to do DAS on, are completely different animals (though in many respects easier to ride).

My biggest problem when I did the test was the U-turns.  That, for me, took a lot of practice.
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: Debs. on 31 October 2008, 17:58:41
 :y Yay!....well done Tunnie! :y
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: albitz on 31 October 2008, 17:59:20
A bit of velcro on the zx10 seat, he will be fine. ;D
tbh, Tunnie cant be much lighter than me,and I dont have any particular problems.
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: tunnie on 31 October 2008, 18:00:38
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Well done Tunnie :y, pleased you didn't bottle out this time.

Now don't try the same stunt of 'giving it beans pulling hard in 2nd' if you get on my ZX10...  ...you're far too light ;D


Good luck with the DAS when you do it - bigger bikes, even 500cc twins which they tend to do DAS on, are completely different animals (though in many respects easier to ride).

My biggest problem when I did the test was the U-turns.  That, for me, took a lot of practice.

Same!

I found it very hard, although after a while i was turning it in the width of the road time and time again, whilst slipping the clutch and riding the back brake. But for some reason, pulling off from a stand still its much harder!

I know in my mind i am not ready to go out on my own yet, even though i have the CBT, hence the DAS.

Seamed to be, ER5's for the DAS, looked much more bike like, even on the 125cc, gave it some revs, would not really go after i got used to it.

We actually cause a blockade for your neighbor near your road, doing our U turns  ;D

Damn good fun, though, much better instructors, i want more!
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: Lazydocker on 31 October 2008, 18:02:37
Well done Tunnie... DAS is great fun but just remember that just because you will be licensed for any bike doesn't mean you have to have a sports bike.

Enjoy 2 wheels :y :y :y

Must confess I don't miss it at all at this time of year but come summer I really want another bike ::) ::)
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: TheBoy on 31 October 2008, 18:06:50
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Well done Tunnie :y, pleased you didn't bottle out this time.

Now don't try the same stunt of 'giving it beans pulling hard in 2nd' if you get on my ZX10...  ...you're far too light ;D


Good luck with the DAS when you do it - bigger bikes, even 500cc twins which they tend to do DAS on, are completely different animals (though in many respects easier to ride).

My biggest problem when I did the test was the U-turns.  That, for me, took a lot of practice.

Same!

I found it very hard, although after a while i was turning it in the width of the road time and time again, whilst slipping the clutch and riding the back brake. But for some reason, pulling off from a stand still its much harder!

I know in my mind i am not ready to go out on my own yet, even though i have the CBT, hence the DAS.

Seamed to be, ER5's for the DAS, looked much more bike like, even on the 125cc, gave it some revs, would not really go after i got used to it.

We actually cause a blockade for your neighbor near your road, doing our U turns  ;D

darn good fun, though, much better instructors, i want more!
Are you getting a 125? If so, get some Autocom stuff (or I have some spare cheap bike-bike stuff) and we can get some practice in.
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: Andy B on 31 October 2008, 18:27:22
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Next is the DAS course with the same place!

Well done Tunnie! [smiley=thumbup.gif] [smiley=thumbup.gif]
So  ..... how's all this Direct access bit work then? I know you can use a bike bigger than 125cc but that's as much as I know. Far simpler when I did my bike test all those years ago. ;)
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 31 October 2008, 18:29:00
Congrats Tunnie :y
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: Auto Addict on 31 October 2008, 18:53:52
Well done :y
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: tunnie on 31 October 2008, 19:03:28
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Well done Tunnie :y, pleased you didn't bottle out this time.

Now don't try the same stunt of 'giving it beans pulling hard in 2nd' if you get on my ZX10...  ...you're far too light ;D


Good luck with the DAS when you do it - bigger bikes, even 500cc twins which they tend to do DAS on, are completely different animals (though in many respects easier to ride).

My biggest problem when I did the test was the U-turns.  That, for me, took a lot of practice.

Same!

I found it very hard, although after a while i was turning it in the width of the road time and time again, whilst slipping the clutch and riding the back brake. But for some reason, pulling off from a stand still its much harder!

I know in my mind i am not ready to go out on my own yet, even though i have the CBT, hence the DAS.

Seamed to be, ER5's for the DAS, looked much more bike like, even on the 125cc, gave it some revs, would not really go after i got used to it.

We actually cause a blockade for your neighbor near your road, doing our U turns  ;D

darn good fun, though, much better instructors, i want more!
Are you getting a 125? If so, get some Autocom stuff (or I have some spare cheap bike-bike stuff) and we can get some practice in.

I was thinking about going straight for the DAS? That said its winter so bikes should be cheaper?

I guess i could get a 125cc just to potter around Brackley? I really felt it on the open road (we went on the by pass) it was really struggling to get up to 60mph.

But it would be good just to go around the estates, practice with roundabouts, and nailing those U turns.

I know for me at 24 the 125ccs are dirt cheap to insure, like £80 for the year full comp!  :o

Worth a punt to get one for a while to practice on?  :-/
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: PaulW on 31 October 2008, 19:10:05
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Well done Tunnie :y, pleased you didn't bottle out this time.

Now don't try the same stunt of 'giving it beans pulling hard in 2nd' if you get on my ZX10...  ...you're far too light ;D


Good luck with the DAS when you do it - bigger bikes, even 500cc twins which they tend to do DAS on, are completely different animals (though in many respects easier to ride).

My biggest problem when I did the test was the U-turns.  That, for me, took a lot of practice.

Same!

I found it very hard, although after a while i was turning it in the width of the road time and time again, whilst slipping the clutch and riding the back brake. But for some reason, pulling off from a stand still its much harder!

I know in my mind i am not ready to go out on my own yet, even though i have the CBT, hence the DAS.

Seamed to be, ER5's for the DAS, looked much more bike like, even on the 125cc, gave it some revs, would not really go after i got used to it.

We actually cause a blockade for your neighbor near your road, doing our U turns  ;D

darn good fun, though, much better instructors, i want more!
Are you getting a 125? If so, get some Autocom stuff (or I have some spare cheap bike-bike stuff) and we can get some practice in.

I was thinking about going straight for the DAS? That said its winter so bikes should be cheaper?

I guess i could get a 125cc just to potter around Brackley? I really felt it on the open road (we went on the by pass) it was really struggling to get up to 60mph.

But it would be good just to go around the estates, practice with roundabouts, and nailing those U turns.

I know for me at 24 the 125ccs are dirt cheap to insure, like £80 for the year full comp!  :o

Worth a punt to get one for a while to practice on?  :-/

Thats what I did!  And tbh I now use it more than the car.

Commute to liverpool for uni each day (80 mile trip),
Use it to nip to town, or round my mates
And for random rides out!

Weather doesn't really bother me (other than my feet get soaked as I've not got proper boots just yet), but I'd never look back!

Just don't pick up any bad habits on your own  ;D
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: tunnie on 31 October 2008, 19:11:25
Cheers Paul  :y

Just spotted this, think its one of those Chinese knock off cheap ones, but can''t grumble at the price (£725!) and its a 2008 plate!  :o.... although i might have to buy it just by the name!  ;D

(http://pictures.autotrader.co.uk/imgser-uk/servlet/media?id=802134235)
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: PaulW on 31 October 2008, 19:14:41
Looks like one of the many cheap knockoff versions of what I have, CG125 (older version though, about 95-98'ish)

(http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v250/74/24/528965219/n528965219_2945302_7253.jpg)

I'll give you one warning though, the drum brakes are somewhat interesting when trying to slow down from speed (above 30mph) :o
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: tunnie on 31 October 2008, 19:16:45
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Looks like one of the many cheap knockoff versions of what I have, CG125 (older version though, about 95-98'ish)

(http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v250/74/24/528965219/n528965219_2945302_7253.jpg)

I'll give you one warning though, the drum brakes are somewhat interesting when trying to slow down from speed (above 30mph) :o

yeah, they don't work!  ;D

Great for making the bike stable in a ultra slow speed turn, but useless otherwise, i found that, foot hard down on it doing 35, was not slowing me down one bit!  ;D
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: PaulW on 31 October 2008, 19:20:17
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Looks like one of the many cheap knockoff versions of what I have, CG125 (older version though, about 95-98'ish)

(http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v250/74/24/528965219/n528965219_2945302_7253.jpg)

I'll give you one warning though, the drum brakes are somewhat interesting when trying to slow down from speed (above 30mph) :o

yeah, they don't work!  ;D

Great for making the bike stable in a ultra slow speed turn, but useless otherwise, i found that, foot hard down on it doing 35, was not slowing me down one bit!  ;D

you only use the rear brake tho for emergency stop & the final few yards of normal stopping, rest is done via just the front (well thats what I was taught).

I did have the rear brakes replaced though not long after getting the bike, and the fronts adjusted.  It helped (for about 30miles), but I'm actually looking at upgrading the fronts to discs by using the front forks & brake setup from a later model CG.
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: tunnie on 31 October 2008, 19:29:29
i think if i got one it would just be for use around town, nailing those U turns and roundabout positions, T junction turns and so on.

Leave open road stuff for the DAS course.
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: Martin_1962 on 31 October 2008, 19:29:44
My first non moped bike was the first 100cc with a hydraulic disc brake and was great for doing stoppies :y


Oh and well done Mark - now keep it up :y
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: Danny on 31 October 2008, 19:36:08
you know i went through the same sort of rubbish learning to drive with my first driving instructor, i was nervous anyway but when i made any sort of mistake i was bombarded with "what do you think you're doing??" or "what are you playing at?!!"

i deliberately irresponsibly stopped the car right in the middle of a quiet road (lesson 8, that felt like lesson 1 all over again), turned engine off so he couldn't move it and said "listen you stupid *******, i'm not paying you to verbally abuse me for making mistakes, shove the lessons up your *** and kiss goodbye to today's payment!"

re-booked with BSM, was taught everything i need to pass my test and passed within weeks
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: LaserLance on 31 October 2008, 19:42:01
Well done on passing your cbt , you might think of buying a trail bike as there a bit taller in the saddle area most have disc brakes fittes to them now
 8-) 8-)
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: tunnie on 31 October 2008, 19:42:51
I learnt with BSM, they were ok ish, but as usual its all down to the actual instructor.

Glad i found a good place, will still with them :)
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: Turk on 31 October 2008, 19:51:24
Congrats matey.  :y
I passed my bike test 26 yrs ago. Compared to the test today it was a breeze. I take my hat off to anyone that perserveres and passes their bike test these days. It's almost as if they don't want folk to pass.

Dumbest question I've heard for part of the test is...What kind of fairing offers the most weather protection ? :o   What the heck has that got to do with assessing ones ability to control a motorcycle, road sense and understanding of the highway code etc.  
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: Andy B on 31 October 2008, 20:00:08
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Congrats matey.  :y
I passed my bike test 26 yrs ago. Compared to the test today it was a breeze. I take my hat off to anyone that perserveres and passes their bike test these days. It's almost as if they don't want folk to pass.

Dumbest question I've heard for part of the test is...What kind of fairing offers the most weather protection ? :o   What the heck has that got to do with assessing ones ability to control a motorcycle, road sense and understanding of the highway code etc.  

I think the same with the car test. What has your knowledge under the bonnet got to do with driving the thing. For people with no knowledge or interest there's the AA/RAC/Green Flag etc
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: TheBoy on 01 November 2008, 11:08:57
Hmmm, all this talk, may have to take the ZX10 for a blast ;D
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: Del Boy on 01 November 2008, 15:40:43
Well done mate.  :y
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: TheBoy on 01 November 2008, 15:44:34
Had to take the ZX10 out for a spin today.  Bit nippy out
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: ballcock50 on 01 November 2008, 15:50:35
Congratulations Tunny. once you get you full licence take care you're only as good as the worst driver you meet.
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: tunnie on 01 November 2008, 17:08:43
Cheers all, been checking out some cheapo bikes to learn on..

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2007-LIFAN-LF-125-14F-BLACK-RED_W0QQitemZ280280695133QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item280280695133&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A7|39%3A1|240%3A1318

These look quite good, gear selection light, fuel gauge, comfy ride.

Might have to watch a few of these  ::)
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 01 November 2008, 17:10:57
A very well done Tunnie!! :y :y
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: Andy B on 01 November 2008, 17:16:38
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....... fuel gauge ......
That's what I could do with on  mine. The later TDMs have one. :(
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: tunnie on 01 November 2008, 17:18:24
first place i tried the bikes had these gauges, last place did'nt, did not find this a problem, was changing through and down the gears fine, but a couple of times i did forget which one i was in,  :-[
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: Andy B on 01 November 2008, 17:24:18
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first place i tried the bikes had these gauges, last place did'nt, did not find this a problem, was changing through and down the gears fine, but a couple of times i did forget which one i was in,  :-[

Only to be expected at first. I find I still want to change to 6th .... it's only got 5 gears!  ::)  :y
As TB said the other day, you'll get the hang of what gear you're in without a tell tale. You don't need to look to see what gear your car is in do you!
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: tunnie on 01 November 2008, 17:32:16
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first place i tried the bikes had these gauges, last place did'nt, did not find this a problem, was changing through and down the gears fine, but a couple of times i did forget which one i was in,  :-[

Only to be expected at first. I find I still want to change to 6th .... it's only got 5 gears!  ::)  :y
As TB said the other day, you'll get the hang of what gear you're in without a tell tale. You don't need to look to see what gear your car is in do you!

Not usually, but some times i do just put my hand down to feel were the stick is, but thats quite rare.
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: PaulW on 01 November 2008, 17:51:44
See I'd still recommend getting a CG...

Cheap to work on (well, easy to fix stuff yourself), pretty much bullet proof (the fact mine was reversed into, pushed through a brick wall and survived is testament to this!), and very cheap to run (£13.60 worth of fuel at £104.9 did me 250 miles to Keswick and back, and the bike wasn't exactly 'light on the ground' either)

The only problem I see with all these chinese bikes, is getting parts for them.  Least with the CG I can just nip down to a motorcycle breakers and go rummaging.  The chinese ones I'd feel would be problematic to get bits in that way...

Fixed the starter motor the other day on it too, £147 Honda wanted for a new motor...  I just stripped it down, cleaned it all up and refitted it inside 20 minutes!  Seriously easy to work with!
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: tunnie on 01 November 2008, 18:54:30
might hunt down a Honda then :)
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: Martin_1962 on 01 November 2008, 21:03:29
Starter motor?

With a 125 a right leg is enough

I used to know of an absolute nutter with a CG125, I passed them once (I was at near terminal velocity) on the flat came into a village slowed down and they ran into the back of me!

They were flat out too but my smaller engined bike was two up!
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: Andy B on 01 November 2008, 21:06:16
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With a 125 a right leg is enough .....

Right leg is only any good if there's a kick start.  ;)  ;)  ;)
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: PaulW on 01 November 2008, 21:29:06
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With a 125 a right leg is enough .....

Right leg is only any good if there's a kick start.  ;)  ;)  ;)

There is on mine (it has the benefit of both), but I'm a lazy shite  ;D
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: Andy B on 01 November 2008, 21:35:38
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With a 125 a right leg is enough .....

Right leg is only any good if there's a kick start.  ;)  ;)  ;)

There is on mine (it has the benefit of both), but I'm a lazy sh*te  ;D

My TDM is either the starter or a bump start down the road.  :y
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: tunnie on 01 November 2008, 22:15:12
all the ones i have learnt on had leccy starts.

Seams like £1,200/300 is the going rate for a newish Honda CB125, that said its not money spent as its still there in the value of the bike, just sell it and trade up when needed.
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: TheBoy on 01 November 2008, 22:31:32
CG is a good 125.  Doesn't have the performance of the 2 strokes, but is a good start, nice and torquey, easy ride.

Don't worry about gear indicators - which gear you are in is irrelevent, as long as you are in a gear that puts you in the right rev range.
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: Martin_1962 on 01 November 2008, 22:35:02
Prices are scarey now - my bike was about 450 new
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: PaulW on 01 November 2008, 22:46:15
I'd never own a 2stroke...  I'd be too tempted to try cut down a tree with it given the noise they make :-X
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: albitz on 01 November 2008, 22:52:12
twice the power for a given capacity,but bugger all torque.perfect for a motorbike (unless you want to tour.)
But fashion and emissions regs have virtually killed them off.
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: TheBoy on 01 November 2008, 22:56:16
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I'd never own a 2stroke...  I'd be too tempted to try cut down a tree with it given the noise they make :-X
They have advantages and disadvantages, but I've always liked 2 strokes. Always have to keep them in good tune though, and frequent plug cleaning is needed
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: albitz on 01 November 2008, 22:59:39
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I'd never own a 2stroke...  I'd be too tempted to try cut down a tree with it given the noise they make :-X
They have advantages and disadvantages, but I've always liked 2 strokes. Always have to keep them in good tune though, and frequent plug cleaning is needed
All part of the fun (at least when your young),I would still love to have an old 500/750 triple kawasaki 2 stroke. 8-) 8-)
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: Martin_1962 on 01 November 2008, 23:29:04
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I'd never own a 2stroke...  I'd be too tempted to try cut down a tree with it given the noise they make :-X


With a Micron expansion pipe they could be a bit loud!
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: Martin_1962 on 01 November 2008, 23:29:44
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twice the power for a given capacity,but bugger all torque.perfect for a motorbike (unless you want to tour.)
But fashion and emissions regs have virtually killed them off.

But small bikes except the C90 should be 2 strokes :o
Title: Re: CBT Passed
Post by: Martin_1962 on 01 November 2008, 23:30:38
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I'd never own a 2stroke...  I'd be too tempted to try cut down a tree with it given the noise they make :-X
They have advantages and disadvantages, but I've always liked 2 strokes. Always have to keep them in good tune though, and frequent plug cleaning is needed


Especially when running different plugs.

Also remember the constant port polishing as well.

2 strokes can be easy to tune