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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: JamesV6CDX on 08 November 2008, 19:17:39
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About 18 of us today, in a 08 reg Ford Transit Minibus turbo diesel.
Trying to get to our destination a bit swiftly... and the bl00dy thing would only do just over 60mph, foot to the floor, in any gear, on the motorway.
We pulled from lane 1 to lane 2 to try and overtake a slowing lorry, but in the end when the lorry sped up we had to back off and pull back in behind it.
The driver, next to me (an experienced persuit driver) was tearing his heir out with it, calling it all the names under the sun, until we noticed the sticker: "Limited to 60mph".
His view was, that the limiter put us in a dangerous position, when we'd began an overtaking manouver, needed an extra burst of power to get by, and didn't have it available... I must say I'm inclined to agree with him.
What's the idea of limiting these things? I think it does more harm than good, and certainly inconvenienced a lot of people behind us...
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not really, since its limited to 60mph, you won't attempt an overtake ;)
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60mph is prob most economical for a transit, so put on to save fuel, reduce accidents
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better I 'll walk, instead of driving this slow pain..when I was 15 my race bicycle was making 70 mph downhill ;D
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I think it could cause more accidents than it saves to be honest...
Imagine how annoying it is. Lorry in lane 1 doing 55mph. You start passing at 60mph in lane 2, and lorry speeds up and matches your speed.
The safest thing to do would be to toe it and get past it as quickly and safely as possible.
As it happens, we had to slow down, and pull back in behind it.
Given the above, it means you can only realistically drive at about 50mph on the motorway -
Dangerous if you ask me!
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At least it gives you something to sue over WHEN there is an accident
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and to think that quite a few "respected"people and groups from the road safety lobby want to introduce this for all vehicles,particularily motorcycles. :(
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About 18 of us today, in a 08 reg Ford Transit Minibus turbo diesel.
Trying to get to our destination a bit swiftly... and the bl00dy thing would only do just over 60mph, foot to the floor, in any gear, on the motorway.
We pulled from lane 1 to lane 2 to try and overtake a slowing lorry, but in the end when the lorry sped up we had to back off and pull back in behind it.
The driver, next to me (an experienced persuit driver) was tearing his heir out with it, calling it all the names under the sun, until we noticed the sticker: "Limited to 60mph".
His view was, that the limiter put us in a dangerous position, when we'd began an overtaking manouver, needed an extra burst of power to get by, and didn't have it available... I must say I'm inclined to agree with him.
What's the idea of limiting these things? I think it does more harm than good, and certainly inconvenienced a lot of people behind us...
Is that not overloaded, ::)even in the ,good old days, the crew bus version, wooden seats down each side, was only 17 seats :)
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Been shown to be the cause of many an accident in smaller cc bikes. They have enough power to get into trouble but not enough to get clear as in the overtake above. Even worse is when large bikes are power limited for Direct Access etc when they become so sluggish they do not handle properly at all.
I can see a case in larger HGV/PSU being limited to a reasonable speed as they have enough grunt and gears to cope but restriciting something as tinny as a tranny is asking for issues, especially if it is not made clear to whoever is driving.
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have to disagree about it being dangerous.
18 people in a transit? The safest thing to do is sit in the inside land and plod along safley.
So what if its limited? 5/10mph will get you there what 10 minutes quicker?
A fully laiden transit should keep to truck speeds, 18 people in a transit doing 75mph & hitting a car? There will be a lot of blood on the road. Much less if it was doing 55mph! - much more time to react, fully laden, handling, and braking will be affected.
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Having driven restricted vehicles, i have to agree with you James. They are dangerous, just when you need a little extra speed to get out of trouble you don't have it. I can understand them restricting, but from a driving point of view no. Speed in itself is not dangerous, it's speed in the wrong circumstances
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again have to disagree. HGV's have been limited for years, they seam to get on ok ;)
Being restricted makes you think more about forward planning in the road ahead.
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again have to disagree. HGV's have been limited for years, they seam to get on ok ;)
Being restricted makes you think more about forward planning in the road ahead.
Very true tunnie ,but it still does wind me up when you see other trucks go flying past you with no limiter fitted (poles , irish,germans) i think that coaches need slowing down a bit , 50 -70 people in a aluminuim box ,when they have a ding it can be a bit naughty as there dosnt seem to be much structral strength in them
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When there is a need for the extra speed - like doing an overtake on a single carriageway road - restricting is lethal
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have to disagree about it being dangerous.
18 people in a transit? The safest thing to do is sit in the inside land and plod along safley.
So what if its limited? 5/10mph will get you there what 10 minutes quicker?
A fully laiden transit should keep to truck speeds, 18 people in a transit doing 75mph & hitting a car? There will be a lot of blood on the road. Much less if it was doing 55mph! - much more time to react, fully laden, handling, and braking will be affected.
I must agree completely Tunnie, and I can certainly speak with experience of driving University minibuses that are limited to 60 :y :y.
Usually I like bombing along, but when you have responsibility for 17 kids in the bus I would sooner drive well within the limitations of the vehicle and me as the driver. At lower speeds I can still make the thing accellerate well and keep out of any trouble, and 60 (well I got it to 62 on some stretches) is quite fast enough on any road, including motorways. 8-) 8-)
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When there is a need for the extra speed - like doing an overtake on a single carriageway road - restricting is lethal
Well in a truck you dont have that problem as your only supposed to do 40 mph on a single track road so you have 15 mph to play with but theres no way id overtake unless its downright safe ,ie I could see at least 500 yds or more
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When there is a need for the extra speed - like doing an overtake on a single carriageway road - restricting is lethal
If you are overtaking driving a loaded minibus then you should be doing it to overtake a vehicle perhaps doing no more than 35 anyway, which is no problem in a 60 mph speed restricted bus. ;)
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Imagine how annoying it is. Lorry in lane 1 doing 55mph. You start passing at 60mph in lane 2, and lorry speeds up and matches your speed.
Welcome to the life of a trucker mate !!
Just for reference, most if not all trucks are flat out on their limiters at 55-58mph, and the only time they pass is due to hills and inclines.
No trucker speeds up just for the sake of it.
I have 10 yrs 7.5t experience and 4 yrs Class 2 experience in a 18t
:)
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When there is a need for the extra speed - like doing an overtake on a single carriageway road - restricting is lethal
If you are overtaking driving a loaded minibus then you should be doing it to overtake a vehicle perhaps doing no more than 35 anyway, which is no problem in a 60 mph speed restricted bus. ;)
I was thinking of something doing say 45 when a blast up to 65 makes it a LOT safer.
That said I did get hit by a rental minibus who pulled out to overtake while I was overtaking him and the car in front.
(he didn't signal)
School teacher too :o
wheel nut damage to my door, paint damage to the minibus - my car was worth pence so I filled the holes and left it at that. The rental company were not happy with the school!
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When there is a need for the extra speed - like doing an overtake on a single carriageway road - restricting is lethal
If you are overtaking driving a loaded minibus then you should be doing it to overtake a vehicle perhaps doing no more than 35 anyway, which is no problem in a 60 mph speed restricted bus. ;)
I was thinking of something doing say 45 when a blast up to 65 makes it a LOT safer.
That said I did get hit by a rental minibus who pulled out to overtake while I was overtaking him and the car in front.
(he didn't signal)
School teacher too :o
wheel nut damage to my door, paint damage to the minibus - my car was worth pence so I filled the holes and left it at that. The rental company were not happy with the school!
But Martin 65 is exceeding the speed limit on a single carriageway by at least 5 mph! :D :D :D ::)
With a loaded minibus of up to 17 other souls, that is a little illegal and irresponsible and is just not necessary (even for me!! ;D ::)) :-X :-X
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Plodding along at 50mph in the inside lane is hardly safe either, when at that speed, you can bet your bottom dollar you'll have a *restricted* HGV 2 inches from your arse, who also won't overtake because he's restricted...
Tunnie - next time you're on the motorway, sit at bang on 50 in lane 1. Keep an eye in that mirror, and just see how close those lorries get to you ::)
I'd personally still rather have the power to get out of situations like that...
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Plodding along at 50mph in the inside lane is hardly safe either, when at that speed, you can bet your bottom dollar you'll have a *restricted* HGV 2 inches from your arse, who also won't overtake because he's restricted...
Tunnie - next time you're on the motorway, sit at bang on 50 in lane 1. Keep an eye in that mirror, and just see how close those lorries get to you ::)
I'd personally still rather have the power to get out of situations like that...
But why James plod along at 50 mph when the limiter allows you to go up to 60, which is my cruising speed in the minibuses? :-? :-? ::)
At that speed you are usually at least 5 mph faster than the lorries. :y
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Maybe said van driver any myself are in a minority with our views...
but on a practical level, I personally feel that drivers should be at a level that they're competent enough to assess the road conditions and adjust speed acordingly - without the vehicle having to be limited to compensate for this.
Thing is Tunnie, it's not just the minibus. Don't get me wrong, I'm no angel and we've all gone too fast at some point, but I've read threads here where members claim to have driven on public roads at 140mph..
At that speed, get a blowout, and you could easily roll it several times onto the opposite carriageway and cause just as much carnaige.. especially if you take out a van/coach load of people with you...
Given your views that restricting is good, and the possibility that a speeding (passenger car) driver could just as easily CAUSE an accident to a bus full of people, do you think all road going cars should be limited to 70mph? ;) ::)
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About 18 of us today, in a 08 reg Ford Transit Minibus turbo diesel.
Trying to get to our destination a bit swiftly... and the bl00dy thing would only do just over 60mph, foot to the floor, in any gear, on the motorway.
We pulled from lane 1 to lane 2 to try and overtake a slowing lorry, but in the end when the lorry sped up we had to back off and pull back in behind it.
The driver, next to me (an experienced persuit driver) was tearing his heir out with it, calling it all the names under the sun, until we noticed the sticker: "Limited to 60mph".
His view was, that the limiter put us in a dangerous position, when we'd began an overtaking manouver, needed an extra burst of power to get by, and didn't have it available... I must say I'm inclined to agree with him.
What's the idea of limiting these things? I think it does more harm than good, and certainly inconvenienced a lot of people behind us...
James, had you have checked the Mini Bus carefully you have have seen the limited to 60 mph sticker there fore setting off with plenty of time to get to your destination, rather than "trying to get there swiftly" in what was possibly an overladen mini bus.
As part time plod I leave you to work out what you would be saying to to a driver of an over laden Mini Bus trying to swiftly get to it's destination, that may have suffered a blow out and caused a motorway pile up.
Braking distance V Speed
Braking distance V extra weight
Braking distance + 1 extra Adult + 10 mph are just some considerations to take on board.
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About 18 of us today, in a 08 reg Ford Transit Minibus turbo diesel.
Trying to get to our destination a bit swiftly... and the bl00dy thing would only do just over 60mph, foot to the floor, in any gear, on the motorway.
We pulled from lane 1 to lane 2 to try and overtake a slowing lorry, but in the end when the lorry sped up we had to back off and pull back in behind it.
The driver, next to me (an experienced persuit driver) was tearing his heir out with it, calling it all the names under the sun, until we noticed the sticker: "Limited to 60mph".
His view was, that the limiter put us in a dangerous position, when we'd began an overtaking manouver, needed an extra burst of power to get by, and didn't have it available... I must say I'm inclined to agree with him.
What's the idea of limiting these things? I think it does more harm than good, and certainly inconvenienced a lot of people behind us...
James, had you have checked the Mini Bus carefully you have have seen the limited to 60 mph sticker there fore setting off with plenty of time to get to your destination, rather than "trying to get there swiftly" in what was possibly an overladen mini bus.
As part time plod I leave you to work out what you would be saying to to a driver of an over laden Mini Bus trying to swiftly get to it's destination, that may have suffered a blow out and caused a motorway pile up.
Braking distance V Speed
Braking distance V extra weight
Braking distance + 1 extra Adult + 10 mph are just some considerations to take on board.
I wasn't driving, or in control, so I didn't even look at the sticker (which incidently, wasn't in clear view!) :y
In addition, getting somewhere swiftly doesn't necessarily mean braking the law, it just means making as much progress as the road conditions safely allow :y
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My old LWB series 3 Landrover only used to do about 65, if you could put up with the noise, many times driven from Hertford to Durham and back at the weekend at around 55. That is what the vehicle is capable of so you just drive within it,s limits. :y
Many Buses will not do much more than 60mph as well, and they manage on the motorway.
Regarding trucks restricted to 56mph, how come I see so many, over the years doing around 70mph and not down a steap hill. ::)
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Why was the bus over laden? There was a seat, and a seat belt, for every person? :-/
I don't pretent I know in depth traffic law, I've not even been trained on it yet - but the thread is about the practicalities of a limiter :y
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Regarding trucks restricted to 56mph, how come I see so many, over the years doing around 70mph and not down a steap hill. ::)
No idea, are they maybe from other countries, where they're not limited as standard? :-/
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Why was the bus over laden? There was a seat, and a seat belt, for every person? :-/
I don't pretent I know in depth traffic law, I've not even been trained on it yet - but the thread is about the practicalities of a limiter :y
I asked the question as 18 seemes a lot for a Transit, were always 12 or 15 seat minibus or 17 seats crew bus, just wondered :)
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Why was the bus over laden? There was a seat, and a seat belt, for every person? :-/
I don't pretent I know in depth traffic law, I've not even been trained on it yet - but the thread is about the practicalities of a limiter :y
I asked the question as 18 seemes a lot for a Transit, were always 12 or 15 seat minibus or 17 seats crew bus, just wondered :)
Ah ok. I say about 18 as I'm not sure of the exact figure - some people followed in car too. It could have been 17 :y
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The fact remains James you have 18 people onboard a van which is underpowered when its empty!
Its restricted to 60 for a damn good reason, so do 60!
Don't attempt any over taking on a single carriageway, think and plan ahead.
By your definition James all trucks (UK plated and purchased in the UK) at least are Dangerous because they are limited? They don't have the 'power' to get out of the way?
You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer.
A transit with 130bhp, with 18 people on board is going to have NO power what so ever! You think at 60 you slam it in 3rd and put your foot down its going to roar off like a V6? 'dangle berries', it won't go anyware, belive me i tried, it will make a hell of a lot of noise, but your forward velocity will not increase!
Fact remains if you have 18 people on board, and smash into something doing 80mph, you will probably all be dead. You won't have the time to react, the van won't be able do anything cause it will be too heavy and won't brake or turn!
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Regarding trucks restricted to 56mph, how come I see so many, over the years doing around 70mph and not down a steap hill. ::)
No idea, are they maybe from other countries, where they're not limited as standard? :-/
Or a driver who has disconnected the limiter and taken out the fuse from his tacho? ::) ::) ::)
And before anyone says it is not done, only three years ago a HGV1 driver I knew was doing it fairly regularly! :o :o :o
He was caught stealing diesel in the end. 8-) 8-) 8-)
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Maybe said van driver any myself are in a minority with our views...
but on a practical level, I personally feel that drivers should be at a level that they're competent enough to assess the road conditions and adjust speed acordingly - without the vehicle having to be limited to compensate for this.
Thing is Tunnie, it's not just the minibus. Don't get me wrong, I'm no angel and we've all gone too fast at some point, but I've read threads here where members claim to have driven on public roads at 140mph..
At that speed, get a blowout, and you could easily roll it several times onto the opposite carriageway and cause just as much carnaige.. especially if you take out a van/coach load of people with you...
Given your views that restricting is good, and the possibility that a speeding (passenger car) driver could just as easily CAUSE an accident to a bus full of people, do you think all road going cars should be limited to 70mph? ;) ::)
I feel competant at the speeds I drive at what ever they are, sadly other are not allways the same.
When I was 24 maybe I would share your argument and agree with you, sadly at 47 I dont.
Cars limited to 70 Mph . . . Bit of a difference in seating capacity and size the to make a reliable comparison.
Think about this. A car with 3 passengers has 3 possible distractions talking to the driver.
A mini bus with 17 passenger has 17 possible distraction to a driver.
Even if the bus was limited to 70mph I still feel you would be complaining that you needed an extra 10 mph to get past slow traffic.
Conclussion, allways drive with in the vechicles limits. Even if they have a sticker telling you what they are.
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The fact remains James you have 18 people onboard a van which is underpowered when its empty!
Its restricted to 60 for a darn good reason, so do 60!
Don't attempt any over taking on a single carriageway, think and plan ahead.
By your definition James all trucks (UK plated and purchased in the UK) at least are Dangerous because they are limited? They don't have the 'power' to get out of the way?
You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer. On many a motorway blast you see a mini bus minding its own business doing 60.
And come on ffs! A transit with 130bhp, with 18 people on board is going to have NO power once so ever! You think at 60 you slam it in 3rd and put your foot down its going to roar off like a V6? 'dangle berries', it won't go anyware, belive me i tried, it will make a hell of a lot of noise, but your forward velocity will not increase!
Fact remains if you have 18 people on board, and smash into something doing 80mph, you will probably all be dead. You won't have the time to react, the van won't be able do anything cause it will be too heavy and won't brake or turn!
What do you think about limiting all cars to 70mph too? I understand they carry less passengers and can handle better than a van, but, It can't hurt to limit them to 70, if that's the highest UK speed limit?
Would your opinion on buying that Monaro change if it was limited to 70mph?
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You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer.
I can think of situations (in various vehicles) when I've thought "oops, bad judgement call, should have hung back" and been able to safely accellerate out of a potentialy dodgey situation...
You really have a way with words, sometimes :'(
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The fact remains James you have 18 people onboard a van which is underpowered when its empty!
Its restricted to 60 for a darn good reason, so do 60!
Don't attempt any over taking on a single carriageway, think and plan ahead.
By your definition James all trucks (UK plated and purchased in the UK) at least are Dangerous because they are limited? They don't have the 'power' to get out of the way?
You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer. On many a motorway blast you see a mini bus minding its own business doing 60.
And come on ffs! A transit with 130bhp, with 18 people on board is going to have NO power once so ever! You think at 60 you slam it in 3rd and put your foot down its going to roar off like a V6? 'dangle berries', it won't go anyware, belive me i tried, it will make a hell of a lot of noise, but your forward velocity will not increase!
Fact remains if you have 18 people on board, and smash into something doing 80mph, you will probably all be dead. You won't have the time to react, the van won't be able do anything cause it will be too heavy and won't brake or turn!
What do you think about limiting all cars to 70mph too? I understand they carry less passengers and can handle better than a van, but, It can't hurt to limit them to 70, if that's the highest UK speed limit?
Would your opinion on that Monaro change if it was limited to 70mph?
A mini bus is a public service vehicle, it is responsible for a lives. Hence the restriction, is selfish of the driver to charge around in a van full of people. Your own car, be it a Monaro or Omega is another story, its yours, and yours alone.
If your transporting 18 people in a Van and it hits a parked car doing 75 mph, questions would be asked! Its limited to protect the hire company and save lives.
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You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer.
I can think of situations (in various vehicles) when I've thought "oops, bad judgement call, should have hung back" and been able to safely accellerate out of a potentialy dodgey situation...
You really have a way with words, sometimes :'(
Rubbish, why do you always need to 'power' out of problems? Just press the pedal in the middle!
Why race into trouble when you can pull back.
If your in a head on collision, why accelerate into it? Increasing the danger?
If you both brake its a lot safer
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The fact remains James you have 18 people onboard a van which is underpowered when its empty!
Its restricted to 60 for a darn good reason, so do 60!
Don't attempt any over taking on a single carriageway, think and plan ahead.
By your definition James all trucks (UK plated and purchased in the UK) at least are Dangerous because they are limited? They don't have the 'power' to get out of the way?
You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer. On many a motorway blast you see a mini bus minding its own business doing 60.
And come on ffs! A transit with 130bhp, with 18 people on board is going to have NO power once so ever! You think at 60 you slam it in 3rd and put your foot down its going to roar off like a V6? 'dangle berries', it won't go anyware, belive me i tried, it will make a hell of a lot of noise, but your forward velocity will not increase!
Fact remains if you have 18 people on board, and smash into something doing 80mph, you will probably all be dead. You won't have the time to react, the van won't be able do anything cause it will be too heavy and won't brake or turn!
What do you think about limiting all cars to 70mph too? I understand they carry less passengers and can handle better than a van, but, It can't hurt to limit them to 70, if that's the highest UK speed limit?
Would your opinion on that Monaro change if it was limited to 70mph?
A mini bus is a public service vehicle, it is responsible for a lives. Hence the restriction, is selfish of the driver to charge around in a van full of people. Your own car, be it a Monaro or Omega is another story, its yours, and yours alone.
If your transporting 18 people in a Van and it hits a parked car doing 75 mph, questions would be asked! Its limited to protect the hire company and save lives.
No!! Just because it's your own, doesn't mean it's "yours alone" when on a public road, you need to consider other road users when driving it, therefore it's just as important not to speed in a car!
A car could just as easily have a blow out and swerve into a PSV full of kids etc..
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The fact remains James you have 18 people onboard a van which is underpowered when its empty!
Its restricted to 60 for a darn good reason, so do 60!
Don't attempt any over taking on a single carriageway, think and plan ahead.
By your definition James all trucks (UK plated and purchased in the UK) at least are Dangerous because they are limited? They don't have the 'power' to get out of the way?
You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer. On many a motorway blast you see a mini bus minding its own business doing 60.
And come on ffs! A transit with 130bhp, with 18 people on board is going to have NO power once so ever! You think at 60 you slam it in 3rd and put your foot down its going to roar off like a V6? 'dangle berries', it won't go anyware, belive me i tried, it will make a hell of a lot of noise, but your forward velocity will not increase!
Fact remains if you have 18 people on board, and smash into something doing 80mph, you will probably all be dead. You won't have the time to react, the van won't be able do anything cause it will be too heavy and won't brake or turn!
What do you think about limiting all cars to 70mph too? I understand they carry less passengers and can handle better than a van, but, It can't hurt to limit them to 70, if that's the highest UK speed limit?
Would your opinion on that Monaro change if it was limited to 70mph?
A mini bus is a public service vehicle, it is responsible for a lives. Hence the restriction, is selfish of the driver to charge around in a van full of people. Your own car, be it a Monaro or Omega is another story, its yours, and yours alone.
If your transporting 18 people in a Van and it hits a parked car doing 75 mph, questions would be asked! Its limited to protect the hire company and save lives.
No!! Just because it's your own, doesn't mean it's "yours alone" when on a public road, you need to consider other road users when driving it, therefore it's just as important not to speed in a car!
A car could just as easily have a blow out and swerve into a PSV full of kids etc..
Exactly.
If the minibus was doing 60, chances are it would not be too bad. What if the minibus was doing 75?
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The fact remains James you have 18 people onboard a van which is underpowered when its empty!
Its restricted to 60 for a darn good reason, so do 60!
Don't attempt any over taking on a single carriageway, think and plan ahead.
By your definition James all trucks (UK plated and purchased in the UK) at least are Dangerous because they are limited? They don't have the 'power' to get out of the way?
You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer. On many a motorway blast you see a mini bus minding its own business doing 60.
And come on ffs! A transit with 130bhp, with 18 people on board is going to have NO power once so ever! You think at 60 you slam it in 3rd and put your foot down its going to roar off like a V6? 'dangle berries', it won't go anyware, belive me i tried, it will make a hell of a lot of noise, but your forward velocity will not increase!
Fact remains if you have 18 people on board, and smash into something doing 80mph, you will probably all be dead. You won't have the time to react, the van won't be able do anything cause it will be too heavy and won't brake or turn!
What do you think about limiting all cars to 70mph too? I understand they carry less passengers and can handle better than a van, but, It can't hurt to limit them to 70, if that's the highest UK speed limit?
Would your opinion on that Monaro change if it was limited to 70mph?
A mini bus is a public service vehicle, it is responsible for a lives. Hence the restriction, is selfish of the driver to charge around in a van full of people. Your own car, be it a Monaro or Omega is another story, its yours, and yours alone.
If your transporting 18 people in a Van and it hits a parked car doing 75 mph, questions would be asked! Its limited to protect the hire company and save lives.
No!! Just because it's your own, doesn't mean it's "yours alone" when on a public road, you need to consider other road users when driving it, therefore it's just as important not to speed in a car!
A car could just as easily have a blow out and swerve into a PSV full of kids etc..
Exactly.
If the minibus was doing 60, chances are it would not be too bad. What if the minibus was doing 75?
What if a car was doing 85, had a blowout, and wrote of a buss full of people in the process. Maybe if it was only doing 70, it might have been able to control it.
So limit cars to 70?
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Your not getting it are you? :-/
A mini-bus is a public service vehicle, like a London Double decker busses they are limited for a reason, to protect the passengers, driver, and most likely the engine! ;D
Its the law that minibuses are limited.
"Meanwhile, from January 1, 2008 new speed limits come into force for commercial vehicles over 3.5 tonnes, while passenger-carrying vehicles such as minibuses with more than nine seats are speed limited to 60 mph."
Its the fact its a public service vehicle and not a private motorcar.
A mini-bus limited to 60, is not dangerous. What is dangerous is the moron behind the wheel wishing it would go faster at attempting inappropriate overtaking!
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You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer.
I can think of situations (in various vehicles) when I've thought "oops, bad judgement call, should have hung back" and been able to safely accellerate out of a potentialy dodgey situation...
You really have a way with words, sometimes :'(
I have to agree with this, on occasions, I have found power over braking has been better. :y
And I have, IAM, Full Bike, HGV and PSV so have driven a wide range of vehicles over many years. However the main thing is to drive, whatever you are driving, within the limits of the vehicle. :y
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What you're not getting, is that just because a private car is not a public service vehicle, if that CAR has a moron behind the wheel who is speeding, that could have a DIRECT RESULT on a public service vehicle, as a result of how the driver of that public car is behaving.
The driver of a car, if he or she is a "moron" as you put it, could by inappropriate use of speed, cause an accident that could INVOLVE a public service vehicle.
Therefore why not limit cars to 70mph, to reduce that risk too?
I'm not disagreeing with what you say, but you don't seem to be getting that just because a car doesn't carry a lot of passengers, if driven badly it can still cause just as much carnaige if it HITS a vehicle carrying a large number of people..
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You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer.
I can think of situations (in various vehicles) when I've thought "oops, bad judgement call, should have hung back" and been able to safely accellerate out of a potentialy dodgey situation...
You really have a way with words, sometimes :'(
I have to agree with this, on occasions, I have found power over braking has been better. :y
And I have, IAM, Full Bike, HGV and PSV so have driven a wide range of vehicles over many years. However the main thing is to drive, whatever you are driving, within the limits of the vehicle. :y
Recently, I pulled out and, hands up, misjudged the speed of the vehicle approaching behind me.
Therefore I compensated by accellerating as quick as I could, up to the speed limit, to minimise that danger.
I don't see how that can be a "fools" answer...
Yes, in an ideal world it would have been better not to pull out, but, visibility was awful and we're all human after all, mistakes can be made, but it's good to have the capability to compensate for them..
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Back to the original point of this topic.
A limiter is not dangerous.
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You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer.
I can think of situations (in various vehicles) when I've thought "oops, bad judgement call, should have hung back" and been able to safely accellerate out of a potentialy dodgey situation...
You really have a way with words, sometimes :'(
I have to agree with this, on occasions, I have found power over braking has been better. :y
And I have, IAM, Full Bike, HGV and PSV so have driven a wide range of vehicles over many years. However the main thing is to drive, whatever you are driving, within the limits of the vehicle. :y
Power is one thing but speed is annother.
The Mini Bus was limited to 60mph, not the ammount of power it has. The power available todo a swift manouvre was hampered wih it being fully laden/overladen.
I am so glad this is not a thread that started "What should we do, we had an accidet in a fully loaded transit today"
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You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer.
I can think of situations (in various vehicles) when I've thought "oops, bad judgement call, should have hung back" and been able to safely accellerate out of a potentialy dodgey situation...
You really have a way with words, sometimes :'(
I have to agree with this, on occasions, I have found power over braking has been better. :y
And I have, IAM, Full Bike, HGV and PSV so have driven a wide range of vehicles over many years. However the main thing is to drive, whatever you are driving, within the limits of the vehicle. :y
Recently, I pulled out and, hands up, misjudged the speed of the vehicle approaching behind me.
Therefore I compensated by accellerating as quick as I could, up to the speed limit, to minimise that danger.
I don't see how that can be a "fools" answer...
FFS!
You are in a 3.0 V6!
Do the same thing in a mini bus? Whats it gunna do? fek all! >:(
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You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer.
I can think of situations (in various vehicles) when I've thought "oops, bad judgement call, should have hung back" and been able to safely accellerate out of a potentialy dodgey situation...
You really have a way with words, sometimes :'(
I have to agree with this, on occasions, I have found power over braking has been better. :y
And I have, IAM, Full Bike, HGV and PSV so have driven a wide range of vehicles over many years. However the main thing is to drive, whatever you are driving, within the limits of the vehicle. :y
Recently, I pulled out and, hands up, misjudged the speed of the vehicle approaching behind me.
Therefore I compensated by accellerating as quick as I could, up to the speed limit, to minimise that danger.
I don't see how that can be a "fools" answer...
FFS!
You are in a 3.0 V6!
Do the same thing in a mini bus? Whats it gunna do? fek all! >:(
Indeed, but, it goes to show that the statement about using power to get out of a situation being a fools answer is a little generic, and not specific to every situation...
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I hear what you are saying James, but statically how many lives have been lost in coaches and minibuses due to them being driven badly as oppossed to them crashing due to car drivers incompetance? :-? :-?
Let's face it bus v. car and there is usually one winner. ::) ::)
Minibus v. car not so certain, granted, but the car will usually come off worse. :'(
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You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer.
I can think of situations (in various vehicles) when I've thought "oops, bad judgement call, should have hung back" and been able to safely accellerate out of a potentialy dodgey situation...
You really have a way with words, sometimes :'(
I have to agree with this, on occasions, I have found power over braking has been better. :y
And I have, IAM, Full Bike, HGV and PSV so have driven a wide range of vehicles over many years. However the main thing is to drive, whatever you are driving, within the limits of the vehicle. :y
Recently, I pulled out and, hands up, misjudged the speed of the vehicle approaching behind me.
Therefore I compensated by accellerating as quick as I could, up to the speed limit, to minimise that danger.
I don't see how that can be a "fools" answer...
FFS!
You are in a 3.0 V6!
Do the same thing in a mini bus? Whats it gunna do? fek all! >:(
Indeed, but, it goes to show that the statement about using power to get out of a situation being a fools answer is a little generic, and not specific to every situation...
I/We are talking about vans here ;) - Van's don't have any power!
I have tried overtaking with a Transit myself, bloody dangerous, i shoved it in 3rd, at just under 60 tried to over take, had nothing it was gutless. That was in a empty van!
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About 18 of us today, in a 08 reg Ford Transit Minibus turbo diesel.
Trying to get to our destination a bit swiftly... and the bl00dy thing would only do just over 60mph, foot to the floor, in any gear, on the motorway.
We pulled from lane 1 to lane 2 to try and overtake a slowing lorry, but in the end when the lorry sped up we had to back off and pull back in behind it.
The driver, next to me (an experienced persuit driver) was tearing his heir out with it, calling it all the names under the sun, until we noticed the sticker: "Limited to 60mph".
His view was, that the limiter put us in a dangerous position, when we'd began an overtaking manouver, needed an extra burst of power to get by, and didn't have it available... I must say I'm inclined to agree with him.
What's the idea of limiting these things? I think it does more harm than good, and certainly inconvenienced a lot of people behind us...
I have fast forwarded from initial post to the last, without reading any thats been posted in between....
Whats the legal maximum speed of the van on a UK road? Could that be why its limited?
How many in it? About 18? Guess thats the driver plus 16 passengers seated then. Where was the other one sitting?? :-? ;D
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i think even without a limiter with 18 people onboard it was barley going to touch 60 anyway! ;D
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About 18 of us today, in a 08 reg Ford Transit Minibus turbo diesel.
Trying to get to our destination a bit swiftly... and the bl00dy thing would only do just over 60mph, foot to the floor, in any gear, on the motorway.
We pulled from lane 1 to lane 2 to try and overtake a slowing lorry, but in the end when the lorry sped up we had to back off and pull back in behind it.
The driver, next to me (an experienced persuit driver) was tearing his heir out with it, calling it all the names under the sun, until we noticed the sticker: "Limited to 60mph".
His view was, that the limiter put us in a dangerous position, when we'd began an overtaking manouver, needed an extra burst of power to get by, and didn't have it available... I must say I'm inclined to agree with him.
What's the idea of limiting these things? I think it does more harm than good, and certainly inconvenienced a lot of people behind us...
I have fast forwarded from initial post to the last, without reading any thats been posted in between....
Whats the legal maximum speed of the van on a UK road? Could that be why its limited?
How many in it? About 18? Guess thats the driver plus 16 passengers seated then. Where was the other one sitting?? :-? ;D
I too haven't read thread. But the number of crashed minibuses due to driver inexperience makes limiting a goo thing.
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You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer.
I can think of situations (in various vehicles) when I've thought "oops, bad judgement call, should have hung back" and been able to safely accellerate out of a potentialy dodgey situation...
You really have a way with words, sometimes :'(
I have to agree with this, on occasions, I have found power over braking has been better. :y
And I have, IAM, Full Bike, HGV and PSV so have driven a wide range of vehicles over many years. However the main thing is to drive, whatever you are driving, within the limits of the vehicle. :y
Power is one thing but speed is annother.
The Mini Bus was limited to 60mph, not the ammount of power it has. The power available todo a swift manouvre was hampered wih it being fully laden/overladen.
I am so glad this is not a thread that started "What should we do, we had an accidet in a fully loaded transit today"
As would be the case in and fully laden vehicle, just drive within it,s limits. Talking of loaded vehicles, how many car accidents are caused in the summer with overloaded family cars, driven be a driver that, for the most part, is the only one in the car. :question The car suddenly drives, slows and stops much different to what the driver is used to. ::)
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For what its worth,imo James is right.The limiter is removing one of your options.Always better to have all options available and an experienced/trained/educated driver using judgement on which option to use in a given situation.
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I get the impression some are looking for someone to flame, tonight?
There have been threads posted about members travelling at near on 140mph which clearly WASN'T on a private track ( http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1185116237/40 )
Nobody got flamed for this, but seem very keen to split hairs over a few MPH in a van.
I don't pretend to know everything - I don't, far from it. But, it would be nice if things could be kept a little more civil and friendly, as per the nature of this forum.
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About 18 of us today, in a 08 reg Ford Transit Minibus turbo diesel.
Trying to get to our destination a bit swiftly... and the bl00dy thing would only do just over 60mph, foot to the floor, in any gear, on the motorway.
We pulled from lane 1 to lane 2 to try and overtake a slowing lorry, but in the end when the lorry sped up we had to back off and pull back in behind it.
The driver, next to me (an experienced persuit driver) was tearing his heir out with it, calling it all the names under the sun, until we noticed the sticker: "Limited to 60mph".
His view was, that the limiter put us in a dangerous position, when we'd began an overtaking manouver, needed an extra burst of power to get by, and didn't have it available... I must say I'm inclined to agree with him.
What's the idea of limiting these things? I think it does more harm than good, and certainly inconvenienced a lot of people behind us...
I have fast forwarded from initial post to the last, without reading any thats been posted in between....
Whats the legal maximum speed of the van on a UK road? Could that be why its limited?
How many in it? About 18? Guess thats the driver plus 16 passengers seated then. Where was the other one sitting?? :-? ;D
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My question exactly :-/
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About 18 of us today, in a 08 reg Ford Transit Minibus turbo diesel.
Trying to get to our destination a bit swiftly... and the bl00dy thing would only do just over 60mph, foot to the floor, in any gear, on the motorway.
We pulled from lane 1 to lane 2 to try and overtake a slowing lorry, but in the end when the lorry sped up we had to back off and pull back in behind it.
The driver, next to me (an experienced persuit driver) was tearing his heir out with it, calling it all the names under the sun, until we noticed the sticker: "Limited to 60mph".
His view was, that the limiter put us in a dangerous position, when we'd began an overtaking manouver, needed an extra burst of power to get by, and didn't have it available... I must say I'm inclined to agree with him.
What's the idea of limiting these things? I think it does more harm than good, and certainly inconvenienced a lot of people behind us...
I have fast forwarded from initial post to the last, without reading any thats been posted in between....
Whats the legal maximum speed of the van on a UK road? Could that be why its limited?
How many in it? About 18? Guess thats the driver plus 16 passengers seated then. Where was the other one sitting?? :-? ;D
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My question exactly :-/
Strapped to the roof?
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About 18 of us today, in a 08 reg Ford Transit Minibus turbo diesel.
Trying to get to our destination a bit swiftly... and the bl00dy thing would only do just over 60mph, foot to the floor, in any gear, on the motorway.
We pulled from lane 1 to lane 2 to try and overtake a slowing lorry, but in the end when the lorry sped up we had to back off and pull back in behind it.
The driver, next to me (an experienced persuit driver) was tearing his heir out with it, calling it all the names under the sun, until we noticed the sticker: "Limited to 60mph".
His view was, that the limiter put us in a dangerous position, when we'd began an overtaking manouver, needed an extra burst of power to get by, and didn't have it available... I must say I'm inclined to agree with him.
What's the idea of limiting these things? I think it does more harm than good, and certainly inconvenienced a lot of people behind us...
I have fast forwarded from initial post to the last, without reading any thats been posted in between....
Whats the legal maximum speed of the van on a UK road? Could that be why its limited?
How many in it? About 18? Guess thats the driver plus 16 passengers seated then. Where was the other one sitting?? :-? ;D
Broocie, just out of interest, what would your view be on limiting cars in a simelar way?
As I have explained in other posts, I say ABOUT 18, because some travelled by car and I don't know the exact number.
Everyone had a seat and belt though, so I don't think we were over...
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i think even without a limiter with 18 people onboard it was barley going to touch 60 anyway! ;D
My old transit that I had for work, which on a weighbridge breached 3t (even though max gross weight was supposed to be 2.8t), and with 2 ladders on the roof, would sit at a ton all day long up and down the M1.
That was a K reg 2.5 non turbo diesel, and was certainly no slouch.
Transits handle reasonably well, but will bite you if you overcook it, usually with no warning - the number of times I had mine facing the wrong way ::)
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I get the impression some are looking for someone to flame, tonight?
not from me. as stated, I read the first post then replied as per. Did now read all in between (now I have) before posting my initial reply.
Gues it was a Police vehicle you were in? In that case, its a corporate responsibility issue, not the fault of the driver??
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I get the impression some are looking for someone to flame, tonight?
not from me. as stated, I read the first post then replied as per. Did now read all in between (now I have) before posting my initial reply.
Gues it was a Police vehicle you were in? In that case, its a corporate responsibility issue, not the fault of the driver??
Brucie - comment wasn't aimed at you ;)
AFAIK, it was leased/hired from somewhere....
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I get the impression some are looking for someone to flame, tonight?
There have been threads posted about members travelling at near on 140mph which clearly WASN'T on a private track ( http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1185116237/40 )
Nobody got flamed for this, but seem very keen to split hairs over a few MPH in a van.
I don't pretend to know everything - I don't, far from it. But, it would be nice if things could be kept a little more civil and friendly, as per the nature of this forum.
You forget, I have (limited) access to a runway, about 12000ft iirc. So there is every possibility it may have been there ;)
Can't remember the exact incident - you dug up a 15 month old thread, I can't remember what happened last week, let alone then ;D
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i think even without a limiter with 18 people onboard it was barley going to touch 60 anyway! ;D
My old transit that I had for work, which on a weighbridge breached 3t (even though max gross weight was supposed to be 2.8t), and with 2 ladders on the roof, would sit at a ton all day long up and down the M1.
That was a K reg 2.5 non turbo diesel, and was certainly no slouch.
Transits handle reasonably well, but will bite you if you overcook it, usually with no warning - the number of times I had mine facing the wrong way ::)
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Only managed that once, coming down a hill with a broken down tanker on my side of the road, touched the brakes, did a full 360........ one of those sh1te........ moments ;D ;D ;D
Driven a lot of transist, ofer the years, mostly petrol and all good for 90 or more, Mk 1's 2's and 3's.
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This thread is obviously only including and allowing for male comment over an obsession for speed in no matter what is being driven, where, the road conditions, and the fact that you are talking about 16 passengers (YES 16 as minbuses are limited to 17 including the driver!) who could well be children as in the case I mentioned posts ago of me driving minibuses. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
I will now say no more as this will be ignored like my other posts in this thread anyway!! ::) ::) ::) ::) :D :D ;)
Going to bed; good night! ;)
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Broocie, just out of interest, what would your view be on limiting cars in a simelar way?
As I have explained in other posts, I say ABOUT 18, because some travelled by car and I don't know the exact number.
Everyone had a seat and belt though, so I don't think we were over...
Cars are already limited to 158 mph, if I recall. You know the uproar that causes at the moment, imagine taking it to 70?? Especially if the Autobahn (non) limit is still available?
As long as each seat had an arse on it and none left over, than thats the 'about 18' covered.... ;)
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I get the impression some are looking for someone to flame, tonight?
There have been threads posted about members travelling at near on 140mph which clearly WASN'T on a private track ( http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1185116237/40 )
Nobody got flamed for this, but seem very keen to split hairs over a few MPH in a van.
I don't pretend to know everything - I don't, far from it. But, it would be nice if things could be kept a little more civil and friendly, as per the nature of this forum.
You forget, I have (limited) access to a runway, about 12000ft iirc. So there is every possibility it may have been there ;)
Can't remember the exact incident - you dug up a 15 month old thread, I can't remember what happened last week, let alone then ;D
Of course, the runway... how could I forget :y
Come on guys, we've all driven badly at SOME point, let's be friends eh :y
As an aside, we've been discussing speed, but there are so many other factors also - distance, conditions, state of the vehicle, driver impairments...
Speed alone doesn't usually kill...
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Sounds like your judging all vans from your experience of one there Tunnie.
Those I've driven in recent years and by nature of my job there's been a fair variety have in the main been able to keep up with or exceed the flow of traffic as TB says in some cases by quite a margin.
Can't say I'm in favour of limiters myself, much more to be gained by driver training so the vehicle is driven at the correct speed for the conditions rather than some arbitary limit set by the limiter.
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This thread is obviously only including and allowing for male comment over an obsession for speed in no matter what is being driven, where, the road conditions, and the fact that you are talking about 16 passengers (YES 16 as minbuses are limited to 17 including the driver!) who could well be children as in the case I mentioned posts ago of me driving minibuses. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
I will now say no more as this will be ignored like my other posts in this thread anyway!! ::) ::) ::) ::) :D :D ;)
Going to bed; good night! ;)
Lizzie when has anyone not taken heed of your posts ? you speak a lot of sense and are a font of knowledge :D :D :D
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This thread is obviously only including and allowing for male comment over an obsession for speed in no matter what is being driven, where, the road conditions, and the fact that you are talking about 16 passengers (YES 16 as minbuses are limited to 17 including the driver!) who could well be children as in the case I mentioned posts ago of me driving minibuses. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
I will now say no more as this will be ignored like my other posts in this thread anyway!! ::) ::) ::) ::) :D :D ;)
Going to bed; good night! ;)
What's this male/female thing you speak of?
*confused*
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i think even without a limiter with 18 people onboard it was barley going to touch 60 anyway! ;D
My old transit that I had for work, which on a weighbridge breached 3t (even though max gross weight was supposed to be 2.8t), and with 2 ladders on the roof, would sit at a ton all day long up and down the M1.
That was a K reg 2.5 non turbo diesel, and was certainly no slouch.
Transits handle reasonably well, but will bite you if you overcook it, usually with no warning - the number of times I had mine facing the wrong way ::)
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Only managed that once, coming down a hill with a broken down tanker on my side of the road, touched the brakes, did a full 360........ one of those sh1te........ moments ;D ;D ;D
Driven a lot of transist, ofer the years, mostly petrol and all good for 90 or more, Mk 1's 2's and 3's.
I've had a few 360s. Also had an 'interesting' one down the lanes near Thame, when I overcooked a chicane, the back whipped round quicker than I could catch it, and ended up sideways on the single track road, with front bumper on bank, and rear step on other bank, and 4 wheels virtually off the road. Good job I carried a spade, took me about 2hrs to dig it out :-[
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I get the impression some are looking for someone to flame, tonight?
not from me. as stated, I read the first post then replied as per. Did now read all in between (now I have) before posting my initial reply.
Gues it was a Police vehicle you were in? In that case, its a corporate responsibility issue, not the fault of the driver??
Brucie - comment wasn't aimed at you ;)
AFAIK, it was leased/hired from somewhere....
Still the responsibility of the Police if they hired it.
Might be a Hire car thing then, I drove a hired ldv, brand new 3 years ago, ford engine iirc and it was painfully slow.
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Broocie, just out of interest, what would your view be on limiting cars in a simelar way?
As I have explained in other posts, I say ABOUT 18, because some travelled by car and I don't know the exact number.
Everyone had a seat and belt though, so I don't think we were over...
Cars are already limited to 158 mph, if I recall. You know the uproar that causes at the moment, imagine taking it to 70?? Especially if the Autobahn (non) limit is still available?
As long as each seat had an arse on it and none left over, than thats the 'about 18' covered.... ;)
afaik its only the german (saloon) cars which are restricted,under a voluntary agreement to appease the the h&s/tree hugging lobby. :-/
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I get the impression some are looking for someone to flame, tonight?
There have been threads posted about members travelling at near on 140mph which clearly WASN'T on a private track ( http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1185116237/40 )
Nobody got flamed for this, but seem very keen to split hairs over a few MPH in a van.
I don't pretend to know everything - I don't, far from it. But, it would be nice if things could be kept a little more civil and friendly, as per the nature of this forum.
You forget, I have (limited) access to a runway, about 12000ft iirc. So there is every possibility it may have been there ;)
Can't remember the exact incident - you dug up a 15 month old thread, I can't remember what happened last week, let alone then ;D
Of course, the runway... how could I forget :y
Come on guys, we've all driven badly at SOME point, let's be friends eh :y
As an aside, we've been discussing speed, but there are so many other factors also - distance, conditions, state of the vehicle, driver impairments...
Speed alone doesn't usually kill...
Don't think you've been there :-/ - was going to be venue for last cambelt party, but we had trouble getting that many people onsite, plus Timbuk came up trumps with his unit.
Speed doesn't kill, its the rapid slowdown that kills.
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Broocie, just out of interest, what would your view be on limiting cars in a simelar way?
As I have explained in other posts, I say ABOUT 18, because some travelled by car and I don't know the exact number.
Everyone had a seat and belt though, so I don't think we were over...
Cars are already limited to 158 mph, if I recall. You know the uproar that causes at the moment, imagine taking it to 70?? Especially if the Autobahn (non) limit is still available?
As long as each seat had an arse on it and none left over, than thats the 'about 18' covered.... ;)
afaik its only the german (saloon) cars which are restricted,under a voluntary agreement to appease the the h&s/tree hugging lobby. :-/
Dont think so. Agreement is between all mainline manufacturers, as far as I understand it..... :y
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Broocie, just out of interest, what would your view be on limiting cars in a simelar way?
As I have explained in other posts, I say ABOUT 18, because some travelled by car and I don't know the exact number.
Everyone had a seat and belt though, so I don't think we were over...
Cars are already limited to 158 mph, if I recall. You know the uproar that causes at the moment, imagine taking it to 70?? Especially if the Autobahn (non) limit is still available?
As long as each seat had an arse on it and none left over, than thats the 'about 18' covered.... ;)
afaik its only the german (saloon) cars which are restricted,under a voluntary agreement to appease the the h&s/tree hugging lobby. :-/
Dont think so. Agreement is between all mainline manufacturers, as far as I understand it..... :y
I think it started off in Germany though? They all had to be bigger better and faster, all pushing 200mph barrier?
So the big 3, BMW/Merc/Audi all decided to limit to 155 i think? Which then spread to others?
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Bugatti veyron/all ferraris/lamborghinis/porsches/and quite a few others do well in excess of 158mph.
Japanese bike manufactures have a voluntary agreement of 300 kph (186mph).
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Similar to the gentlemens agreements with superbikes to limit to 165. Usually very easy to unrestrict.
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Broocie, just out of interest, what would your view be on limiting cars in a simelar way?
As I have explained in other posts, I say ABOUT 18, because some travelled by car and I don't know the exact number.
Everyone had a seat and belt though, so I don't think we were over...
Cars are already limited to 158 mph, if I recall. You know the uproar that causes at the moment, imagine taking it to 70?? Especially if the Autobahn (non) limit is still available?
As long as each seat had an arse on it and none left over, than thats the 'about 18' covered.... ;)
afaik its only the german (saloon) cars which are restricted,under a voluntary agreement to appease the the h&s/tree hugging lobby. :-/
Dont think so. Agreement is between all mainline manufacturers, as far as I understand it..... :y
I think it started off in Germany though? They all had to be bigger better and faster, all pushing 200mph barrier?
So the big 3, BMW/Merc/Audi all decided to limit to 155 i think? Which then spread to others?
May have started there but they are all at it now! ;D
Back to topic, please. No hijacking allowed! ;D
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When there is a need for the extra speed - like doing an overtake on a single carriageway road - restricting is lethal
If you are overtaking driving a loaded minibus then you should be doing it to overtake a vehicle perhaps doing no more than 35 anyway, which is no problem in a 60 mph speed restricted bus. ;)
I was thinking of something doing say 45 when a blast up to 65 makes it a LOT safer.
That said I did get hit by a rental minibus who pulled out to overtake while I was overtaking him and the car in front.
(he didn't signal)
School teacher too :o
wheel nut damage to my door, paint damage to the minibus - my car was worth pence so I filled the holes and left it at that. The rental company were not happy with the school!
But Martin 65 is exceeding the speed limit on a single carriageway by at least 5 mph! :D :D :D ::)
With a loaded minibus of up to 17 other souls, that is a little illegal and irresponsible and is just not necessary (even for me!! ;D ::)) :-X :-X
I'd rather they touched it while passing then dropped slower as it lower TED and this is a very important and oft forgotten point
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Maybe said van driver any myself are in a minority with our views...
but on a practical level, I personally feel that drivers should be at a level that they're competent enough to assess the road conditions and adjust speed acordingly - without the vehicle having to be limited to compensate for this.
Thing is Tunnie, it's not just the minibus. Don't get me wrong, I'm no angel and we've all gone too fast at some point, but I've read threads here where members claim to have driven on public roads at 140mph..
At that speed, get a blowout, and you could easily roll it several times onto the opposite carriageway and cause just as much carnaige.. especially if you take out a van/coach load of people with you...
Given your views that restricting is good, and the possibility that a speeding (passenger car) driver could just as easily CAUSE an accident to a bus full of people, do you think all road going cars should be limited to 70mph? ;) ::)
Blowout at 80 - had very little effect, pulled slightly but no issue until under 40.
Managed to limp to a Police turn off to put spare on.
Had a bike front blow out at 80 - no issue until I tried to stop and the front went everywhere.
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My tuppence:
As a driver of a coach that weighs 12500kg unladen i can tell you that over 62mph -100kmph (which is what they are limited to) is bloody scary! - i will admit i have had a coach with a broken limiter - no fuse pulled just a bad earth, and i passed the 70mph mark - but as soon as i looked down i backed RIGHT off.
I can also tell you that from my experience it is quite easy to overtake a hgv with my coach i just have to plan ahead i.e how fast is that car coming in the next lane how fast am i gaining on the hgv and from what i remember hgv's are limited to 56mph (thats why few flash me back in ...jealousy ;D)
I regulary overtake cars aswell on dual carraigeway and single carraigeway - but i know my coaches limits and if the car is doing much more than 40mph i just back off.
Someone mentioned that 40mph on a single carraigeway road for hgv's - i wish they would do that, i am sick of sitting at my allowed 50mph to find some artic trying to find a place to pass me. >:( or bully me into speeding up >:(
Limiters arent dangerous - having NO limiter with 10litres of engine, 12500kg unladen weight, 380+bhp and 57 LIVES ON BOARD is!!!
Mick
P.S could we just also clarify something a bus has 2 doors and standing is allowed, a COACH has one door and no standing!! :D :D
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I get the impression some are looking for someone to flame, tonight?
There have been threads posted about members travelling at near on 140mph which clearly WASN'T on a private track ( http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1185116237/40 )
Nobody got flamed for this, but seem very keen to split hairs over a few MPH in a van.
I don't pretend to know everything - I don't, far from it. But, it would be nice if things could be kept a little more civil and friendly, as per the nature of this forum.
You forget, I have (limited) access to a runway, about 12000ft iirc. So there is every possibility it may have been there ;)
Can't remember the exact incident - you dug up a 15 month old thread, I can't remember what happened last week, let alone then ;D
Of course, the runway... how could I forget :y
Come on guys, we've all driven badly at SOME point, let's be friends eh :y
As an aside, we've been discussing speed, but there are so many other factors also - distance, conditions, state of the vehicle, driver impairments...
Speed alone doesn't usually kill...
Very true James.
Gun alone dont usually kill either.
On the balance of speed plus making a point using us as drivers. Every one can tell thier own stories using thier own vechicles. This thread is different, Hire Vechicle with 17/18 lives at risk is different.
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My tuppence:
As a driver of a coach that weighs 12500kg unladen i can tell you that over 62mph -100kmph (which is what they are limited to) is bloody scary! - i will admit i have had a coach with a broken limiter - no fuse pulled just a bad earth, and i passed the 70mph mark - but as soon as i looked down i backed RIGHT off.
I can also tell you that from my experience it is quite easy to overtake a hgv with my coach i just have to plan ahead i.e how fast is that car coming in the next lane how fast am i gaining on the hgv and from what i remember hgv's are limited to 56mph (thats why few flash me back in ...jealousy ;D)
I regulary overtake cars aswell on dual carraigeway and single carraigeway - but i know my coaches limits and if the car is doing much more than 40mph i just back off.
Someone mentioned that 40mph on a single carraigeway road for hgv's - i wish they would do that, i am sick of sitting at my allowed 50mph to find some artic trying to find a place to pass me. >:( or bully me into speeding up >:(
Limiters arent dangerous - having NO limiter with 10litres of engine, 12500kg unladen weight, 380+bhp and 57 LIVES ON BOARD is!!!
Mick
P.S could we just also clarify something a bus has 2 doors and standing is allowed, a COACH has one door and no standing!! :D :D
You certainly dont work for National Coaches then. . .. ;D ;D ;D
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You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer.
I can think of situations (in various vehicles) when I've thought "oops, bad judgement call, should have hung back" and been able to safely accellerate out of a potentialy dodgey situation...
You really have a way with words, sometimes :'(
I have to agree with this, on occasions, I have found power over braking has been better. :y
And I have, IAM, Full Bike, HGV and PSV so have driven a wide range of vehicles over many years. However the main thing is to drive, whatever you are driving, within the limits of the vehicle. :y
Recently, I pulled out and, hands up, misjudged the speed of the vehicle approaching behind me.
Therefore I compensated by accellerating as quick as I could, up to the speed limit, to minimise that danger.
I don't see how that can be a "fools" answer...
FFS!
You are in a 3.0 V6!
Do the same thing in a mini bus? Whats it gunna do? fek all! >:(
Indeed, but, it goes to show that the statement about using power to get out of a situation being a fools answer is a little generic, and not specific to every situation...
I/We are talking about vans here ;) - Van's don't have any power!
I have tried overtaking with a Transit myself, bloody dangerous, i shoved it in 3rd, at just under 60 tried to over take, had nothing it was gutless. That was in a empty van!
I have seen LDV 400s at over 100mph, both with Police and with Ambulance. They appeared to handle the speed well.
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My tuppence:
As a driver of a coach that weighs 12500kg unladen i can tell you that over 62mph -100kmph (which is what they are limited to) is bloody scary! - i will admit i have had a coach with a broken limiter - no fuse pulled just a bad earth, and i passed the 70mph mark - but as soon as i looked down i backed RIGHT off.
I can also tell you that from my experience it is quite easy to overtake a hgv with my coach i just have to plan ahead i.e how fast is that car coming in the next lane how fast am i gaining on the hgv and from what i remember hgv's are limited to 56mph (thats why few flash me back in ...jealousy ;D)
I regulary overtake cars aswell on dual carraigeway and single carraigeway - but i know my coaches limits and if the car is doing much more than 40mph i just back off.
Someone mentioned that 40mph on a single carraigeway road for hgv's - i wish they would do that, i am sick of sitting at my allowed 50mph to find some artic trying to find a place to pass me. >:( or bully me into speeding up >:(
Limiters arent dangerous - having NO limiter with 10litres of engine, 12500kg unladen weight, 380+bhp and 57 LIVES ON BOARD is!!!
Mick
P.S could we just also clarify something a bus has 2 doors and standing is allowed, a COACH has one door and no standing!! :D :D
You certainly dont work for National Coaches then. . .. ;D ;D ;D
Same as all those 70 mph trucks on the motorway...... try stopping one. :)
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Maybe said van driver any myself are in a minority with our views...
but on a practical level, I personally feel that drivers should be at a level that they're competent enough to assess the road conditions and adjust speed acordingly - without the vehicle having to be limited to compensate for this.
Thing is Tunnie, it's not just the minibus. Don't get me wrong, I'm no angel and we've all gone too fast at some point, but I've read threads here where members claim to have driven on public roads at 140mph..
At that speed, get a blowout, and you could easily roll it several times onto the opposite carriageway and cause just as much carnaige.. especially if you take out a van/coach load of people with you...
Given your views that restricting is good, and the possibility that a speeding (passenger car) driver could just as easily CAUSE an accident to a bus full of people, do you think all road going cars should be limited to 70mph? ;) ::)
Blowout at 80 - had very little effect, pulled slightly but no issue until under 40.
Managed to limp to a Police turn off to put spare on.
Had a bike front blow out at 80 - no issue until I tried to stop and the front went everywhere.
Not necessarily always the case. Had a few blowouts when I used to drive the vans all day long, though one in particular was more luck than skill that it didn't end in the ditch. Lose a front catastrophically, and you can get in a bit of trouble
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You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer.
I can think of situations (in various vehicles) when I've thought "oops, bad judgement call, should have hung back" and been able to safely accellerate out of a potentialy dodgey situation...
You really have a way with words, sometimes :'(
I have to agree with this, on occasions, I have found power over braking has been better. :y
And I have, IAM, Full Bike, HGV and PSV so have driven a wide range of vehicles over many years. However the main thing is to drive, whatever you are driving, within the limits of the vehicle. :y
Recently, I pulled out and, hands up, misjudged the speed of the vehicle approaching behind me.
Therefore I compensated by accellerating as quick as I could, up to the speed limit, to minimise that danger.
I don't see how that can be a "fools" answer...
FFS!
You are in a 3.0 V6!
Do the same thing in a mini bus? Whats it gunna do? fek all! >:(
Indeed, but, it goes to show that the statement about using power to get out of a situation being a fools answer is a little generic, and not specific to every situation...
I/We are talking about vans here ;) - Van's don't have any power!
I have tried overtaking with a Transit myself, bloody dangerous, i shoved it in 3rd, at just under 60 tried to over take, had nothing it was gutless. That was in a empty van!
I have seen LDV 400s at over 100mph, both with Police and with Ambulance. They appeared to handle the speed well.
Till the doors fall off. ;D
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Broocie, just out of interest, what would your view be on limiting cars in a simelar way?
As I have explained in other posts, I say ABOUT 18, because some travelled by car and I don't know the exact number.
Everyone had a seat and belt though, so I don't think we were over...
Cars are already limited to 158 mph, if I recall. You know the uproar that causes at the moment, imagine taking it to 70?? Especially if the Autobahn (non) limit is still available?
As long as each seat had an arse on it and none left over, than thats the 'about 18' covered.... ;)
afaik its only the german (saloon) cars which are restricted,under a voluntary agreement to appease the the h&s/tree hugging lobby. :-/
Dont think so. Agreement is between all mainline manufacturers, as far as I understand it..... :y
It is a multi lateral agreement between the various manufacturers, the German government and the greenies
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An interesting (if not a little heated :D ) debate. I still hold most of the same views, but, it's good to hear things from everyone's angle. (Hence the post :y )
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My tuppence:
As a driver of a coach that weighs 12500kg unladen i can tell you that over 62mph -100kmph (which is what they are limited to) is bloody scary! - i will admit i have had a coach with a broken limiter - no fuse pulled just a bad earth, and i passed the 70mph mark - but as soon as i looked down i backed RIGHT off.
I can also tell you that from my experience it is quite easy to overtake a hgv with my coach i just have to plan ahead i.e how fast is that car coming in the next lane how fast am i gaining on the hgv and from what i remember hgv's are limited to 56mph (thats why few flash me back in ...jealousy ;D)
I regulary overtake cars aswell on dual carraigeway and single carraigeway - but i know my coaches limits and if the car is doing much more than 40mph i just back off.
Someone mentioned that 40mph on a single carraigeway road for hgv's - i wish they would do that, i am sick of sitting at my allowed 50mph to find some artic trying to find a place to pass me. >:( or bully me into speeding up >:(
Limiters arent dangerous - having NO limiter with 10litres of engine, 12500kg unladen weight, 380+bhp and 57 LIVES ON BOARD is!!!
Mick
P.S could we just also clarify something a bus has 2 doors and standing is allowed, a COACH has one door and no standing!! :D :D
You certainly dont work for National Coaches then. . .. ;D ;D ;D
Same as all those 70 mph trucks on the motorway...... try stopping one. :)
Exactly even with a retader, and a Telmar ( huge electro magnet that is wrapped around the propshaft and works REALLY well), and all the anti skid etc i dread ever having to do an emergency stop :o
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Maybe said van driver any myself are in a minority with our views...
but on a practical level, I personally feel that drivers should be at a level that they're competent enough to assess the road conditions and adjust speed acordingly - without the vehicle having to be limited to compensate for this.
Thing is Tunnie, it's not just the minibus. Don't get me wrong, I'm no angel and we've all gone too fast at some point, but I've read threads here where members claim to have driven on public roads at 140mph..
At that speed, get a blowout, and you could easily roll it several times onto the opposite carriageway and cause just as much carnaige.. especially if you take out a van/coach load of people with you...
Given your views that restricting is good, and the possibility that a speeding (passenger car) driver could just as easily CAUSE an accident to a bus full of people, do you think all road going cars should be limited to 70mph? ;) ::)
Blowout at 80 - had very little effect, pulled slightly but no issue until under 40.
Managed to limp to a Police turn off to put spare on.
Had a bike front blow out at 80 - no issue until I tried to stop and the front went everywhere.
Not necessarily always the case. Had a few blowouts when I used to drive the vans all day long, though one in particular was more luck than skill that it didn't end in the ditch. Lose a front catastrophically, and you can get in a bit of trouble
The vehicle concerned had a good chassis design
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The vehicle concerned had a good chassis design
Or more likely luck was simply on your side that day :y
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The vehicle concerned had a good chassis design
Or more likely luck was simply on your side that day :y
I've had 2 blowouts, one was fine, the other was certainly an experience!
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My tuppence:
As a driver of a coach that weighs 12500kg unladen i can tell you that over 62mph -100kmph (which is what they are limited to) is bloody scary! - i will admit i have had a coach with a broken limiter - no fuse pulled just a bad earth, and i passed the 70mph mark - but as soon as i looked down i backed RIGHT off.
I can also tell you that from my experience it is quite easy to overtake a hgv with my coach i just have to plan ahead i.e how fast is that car coming in the next lane how fast am i gaining on the hgv and from what i remember hgv's are limited to 56mph (thats why few flash me back in ...jealousy ;D)
I regulary overtake cars aswell on dual carraigeway and single carraigeway - but i know my coaches limits and if the car is doing much more than 40mph i just back off.
Someone mentioned that 40mph on a single carraigeway road for hgv's - i wish they would do that, i am sick of sitting at my allowed 50mph to find some artic trying to find a place to pass me. >:( or bully me into speeding up >:(
Limiters arent dangerous - having NO limiter with 10litres of engine, 12500kg unladen weight, 380+bhp and 57 LIVES ON BOARD is!!!
Mick
P.S could we just also clarify something a bus has 2 doors and standing is allowed, a COACH has one door and no standing!! :D :D
You certainly dont work for National Coaches then. . .. ;D ;D ;D
Same as all those 70 mph trucks on the motorway...... try stopping one. :)
Exactly even with a retader, and a Telmar ( huge electro magnet that is wrapped around the propshaft and works REALLY well), and all the anti skid etc i dread ever having to do an emergency stop :o
you want try it with a bit that bends in middle and 30 tonnes behind you that make your bum eat cloth i can tell you :o :o :o
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Friend of mine is a lorry driver.
He picked up a load, ticket said a permitted weight.
He went to brake, couldn't stop!!
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Broocie, just out of interest, what would your view be on limiting cars in a simelar way?
As I have explained in other posts, I say ABOUT 18, because some travelled by car and I don't know the exact number.
Everyone had a seat and belt though, so I don't think we were over...
Cars are already limited to 158 mph, if I recall. You know the uproar that causes at the moment, imagine taking it to 70?? Especially if the Autobahn (non) limit is still available?
As long as each seat had an arse on it and none left over, than thats the 'about 18' covered.... ;)
afaik its only the german (saloon) cars which are restricted,under a voluntary agreement to appease the the h&s/tree hugging lobby. :-/
Dont think so. Agreement is between all mainline manufacturers, as far as I understand it..... :y
It is a multi lateral agreement between the various manufacturers, the German government and the greenies
Bmw/merc/vag ,not porsche or any non german manufacturers.
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My tuppence:
As a driver of a coach that weighs 12500kg unladen i can tell you that over 62mph -100kmph (which is what they are limited to) is bloody scary! - i will admit i have had a coach with a broken limiter - no fuse pulled just a bad earth, and i passed the 70mph mark - but as soon as i looked down i backed RIGHT off.
I can also tell you that from my experience it is quite easy to overtake a hgv with my coach i just have to plan ahead i.e how fast is that car coming in the next lane how fast am i gaining on the hgv and from what i remember hgv's are limited to 56mph (thats why few flash me back in ...jealousy ;D)
I regulary overtake cars aswell on dual carraigeway and single carraigeway - but i know my coaches limits and if the car is doing much more than 40mph i just back off.
Someone mentioned that 40mph on a single carraigeway road for hgv's - i wish they would do that, i am sick of sitting at my allowed 50mph to find some artic trying to find a place to pass me. >:( or bully me into speeding up >:(
Limiters arent dangerous - having NO limiter with 10litres of engine, 12500kg unladen weight, 380+bhp and 57 LIVES ON BOARD is!!!
Mick
P.S could we just also clarify something a bus has 2 doors and standing is allowed, a COACH has one door and no standing!! :D :D
You certainly dont work for National Coaches then. . .. ;D ;D ;D
Same as all those 70 mph trucks on the motorway...... try stopping one. :)
Exactly even with a retader, and a Telmar ( huge electro magnet that is wrapped around the propshaft and works REALLY well), and all the anti skid etc i dread ever having to do an emergency stop :o
you want try it with a bit that bends in middle and 30 tonnes behind you that make your bum eat cloth i can tell you :o :o :o
I would love to if i had the cash - at least then my cargo wouldnt speak/whinge/complain to me lol
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My tuppence:
As a driver of a coach that weighs 12500kg unladen i can tell you that over 62mph -100kmph (which is what they are limited to) is bloody scary! - i will admit i have had a coach with a broken limiter - no fuse pulled just a bad earth, and i passed the 70mph mark - but as soon as i looked down i backed RIGHT off.
I can also tell you that from my experience it is quite easy to overtake a hgv with my coach i just have to plan ahead i.e how fast is that car coming in the next lane how fast am i gaining on the hgv and from what i remember hgv's are limited to 56mph (thats why few flash me back in ...jealousy ;D)
I regulary overtake cars aswell on dual carraigeway and single carraigeway - but i know my coaches limits and if the car is doing much more than 40mph i just back off.
Someone mentioned that 40mph on a single carraigeway road for hgv's - i wish they would do that, i am sick of sitting at my allowed 50mph to find some artic trying to find a place to pass me. >:( or bully me into speeding up >:(
Limiters arent dangerous - having NO limiter with 10litres of engine, 12500kg unladen weight, 380+bhp and 57 LIVES ON BOARD is!!!
Mick
P.S could we just also clarify something a bus has 2 doors and standing is allowed, a COACH has one door and no standing!! :D :D
You certainly dont work for National Coaches then. . .. ;D ;D ;D
Same as all those 70 mph trucks on the motorway...... try stopping one. :)
Exactly even with a retader, and a Telmar ( huge electro magnet that is wrapped around the propshaft and works REALLY well), and all the anti skid etc i dread ever having to do an emergency stop :o
you want try it with a bit that bends in middle and 30 tonnes behind you that make your bum eat cloth i can tell you :o :o :o
Aaaahhhhh.... The old arse cheeks/limpet impersonation.... been there, done that! ;D
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My tuppence:
As a driver of a coach that weighs 12500kg unladen i can tell you that over 62mph -100kmph (which is what they are limited to) is bloody scary! - i will admit i have had a coach with a broken limiter - no fuse pulled just a bad earth, and i passed the 70mph mark - but as soon as i looked down i backed RIGHT off.
I can also tell you that from my experience it is quite easy to overtake a hgv with my coach i just have to plan ahead i.e how fast is that car coming in the next lane how fast am i gaining on the hgv and from what i remember hgv's are limited to 56mph (thats why few flash me back in ...jealousy ;D)
I regulary overtake cars aswell on dual carraigeway and single carraigeway - but i know my coaches limits and if the car is doing much more than 40mph i just back off.
Someone mentioned that 40mph on a single carraigeway road for hgv's - i wish they would do that, i am sick of sitting at my allowed 50mph to find some artic trying to find a place to pass me. >:( or bully me into speeding up >:(
Limiters arent dangerous - having NO limiter with 10litres of engine, 12500kg unladen weight, 380+bhp and 57 LIVES ON BOARD is!!!
Mick
P.S could we just also clarify something a bus has 2 doors and standing is allowed, a COACH has one door and no standing!! :D :D
You certainly dont work for National Coaches then. . .. ;D ;D ;D
Same as all those 70 mph trucks on the motorway...... try stopping one. :)
Exactly even with a retader, and a Telmar ( huge electro magnet that is wrapped around the propshaft and works REALLY well), and all the anti skid etc i dread ever having to do an emergency stop :o
you want try it with a bit that bends in middle and 30 tonnes behind you that make your bum eat cloth i can tell you :o :o :o
I would love to if i had the cash - at least then my cargo wouldnt speak/whinge/complain to me lol
As i all ways said "coach drivers are glorified cattle transporters" :D :D Only joking wouldnt do your job for all the tea in china mate
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My tuppence:
As a driver of a coach that weighs 12500kg unladen i can tell you that over 62mph -100kmph (which is what they are limited to) is bloody scary! - i will admit i have had a coach with a broken limiter - no fuse pulled just a bad earth, and i passed the 70mph mark - but as soon as i looked down i backed RIGHT off.
I can also tell you that from my experience it is quite easy to overtake a hgv with my coach i just have to plan ahead i.e how fast is that car coming in the next lane how fast am i gaining on the hgv and from what i remember hgv's are limited to 56mph (thats why few flash me back in ...jealousy ;D)
I regulary overtake cars aswell on dual carraigeway and single carraigeway - but i know my coaches limits and if the car is doing much more than 40mph i just back off.
Someone mentioned that 40mph on a single carraigeway road for hgv's - i wish they would do that, i am sick of sitting at my allowed 50mph to find some artic trying to find a place to pass me. >:( or bully me into speeding up >:(
Limiters arent dangerous - having NO limiter with 10litres of engine, 12500kg unladen weight, 380+bhp and 57 LIVES ON BOARD is!!!
Mick
P.S could we just also clarify something a bus has 2 doors and standing is allowed, a COACH has one door and no standing!! :D :D
You certainly dont work for National Coaches then. . .. ;D ;D ;D
Same as all those 70 mph trucks on the motorway...... try stopping one. :)
Exactly even with a retader, and a Telmar ( huge electro magnet that is wrapped around the propshaft and works REALLY well), and all the anti skid etc i dread ever having to do an emergency stop :o
you want try it with a bit that bends in middle and 30 tonnes behind you that make your bum eat cloth i can tell you :o :o :o
I would love to if i had the cash - at least then my cargo wouldnt speak/whinge/complain to me lol
As i all ways said "coach drivers are glorified cattle transporters" :D :D Only joking wouldnt do your job for all the tea in china mate
At least the load gets on and off itself........ :P :P :P
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At least the load gets on and off itself........
Very true .... but then i only have to open back doors and reverse it on to the bank job done ,then put me feet up whilst they unload it :y :y :y :y containers i love them 8-) 8-)
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At least the load gets on and off itself........
Very true .... but then i only have to open back doors and reverse it on to the bank job done ,then put me feet up whilst they unload it :y :y :y :y containers i love them 8-) 8-)
I see your point......... ;D ;D ;D :y
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At least the load gets on and off itself........
Very true .... but then i only have to open back doors and reverse it on to the bank job done ,then put me feet up whilst they unload it :y :y :y :y containers i love them 8-) 8-)
I see your point......... ;D ;D ;D :y
Another good thing is if i ask nicely they usaully give me a sample of the goods ;) ;) ;) ;) grapes,melons,oranges,apples,bananas :y :y :yperks off the job i suppose
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My tuppence:
As a driver of a coach that weighs 12500kg unladen i can tell you that over 62mph -100kmph (which is what they are limited to) is bloody scary! - i will admit i have had a coach with a broken limiter - no fuse pulled just a bad earth, and i passed the 70mph mark - but as soon as i looked down i backed RIGHT off.
I can also tell you that from my experience it is quite easy to overtake a hgv with my coach i just have to plan ahead i.e how fast is that car coming in the next lane how fast am i gaining on the hgv and from what i remember hgv's are limited to 56mph (thats why few flash me back in ...jealousy ;D)
I regulary overtake cars aswell on dual carraigeway and single carraigeway - but i know my coaches limits and if the car is doing much more than 40mph i just back off.
Someone mentioned that 40mph on a single carraigeway road for hgv's - i wish they would do that, i am sick of sitting at my allowed 50mph to find some artic trying to find a place to pass me. >:( or bully me into speeding up >:(
Limiters arent dangerous - having NO limiter with 10litres of engine, 12500kg unladen weight, 380+bhp and 57 LIVES ON BOARD is!!!
Mick
P.S could we just also clarify something a bus has 2 doors and standing is allowed, a COACH has one door and no standing!! :D :D
You certainly dont work for National Coaches then. . .. ;D ;D ;D
Same as all those 70 mph trucks on the motorway...... try stopping one. :)
Exactly even with a retader, and a Telmar ( huge electro magnet that is wrapped around the propshaft and works REALLY well), and all the anti skid etc i dread ever having to do an emergency stop :o
you want try it with a bit that bends in middle and 30 tonnes behind you that make your bum eat cloth i can tell you :o :o :o
I would love to if i had the cash - at least then my cargo wouldnt speak/whinge/complain to me lol
As i all ways said "coach drivers are glorified cattle transporters" :D :D Only joking wouldnt do your job for all the tea in china mate
Bet cattle transporters have to clean less sh**e up lol, i only did it cause it was free(stagecoach) and every day i curse them for helping me pass my test, was much happier when i was a 7.5 tonne driver :'( :'(
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Broocie, just out of interest, what would your view be on limiting cars in a simelar way?
As I have explained in other posts, I say ABOUT 18, because some travelled by car and I don't know the exact number.
Everyone had a seat and belt though, so I don't think we were over...
Cars are already limited to 158 mph, if I recall. You know the uproar that causes at the moment, imagine taking it to 70?? Especially if the Autobahn (non) limit is still available?
As long as each seat had an arse on it and none left over, than thats the 'about 18' covered.... ;)
afaik its only the german (saloon) cars which are restricted,under a voluntary agreement to appease the the h&s/tree hugging lobby. :-/
Dont think so. Agreement is between all mainline manufacturers, as far as I understand it..... :y
I think it started off in Germany though? They all had to be bigger better and faster, all pushing 200mph barrier?
So the big 3, BMW/Merc/Audi all decided to limit to 155 i think? Which then spread to others?
The Monaro you want to buy has a top speed of 170. ::)
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on every working day my 85kph limiter (actually manages to achieve 89kph) realy really really annoys me cos i know i will upset someone by taking so long to overtake another lorry driver who is going that bit slower just to extend his journey time cos he is paid hourly by an agency
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on every working day my 85kph limiter (actually manages to achieve 89kph) realy really really annoys me cos i know i will upset someone by taking so long to overtake another lorry driver who is going that bit slower just to extend his journey time cos he is paid hourly by an agency
In 1985 I was staying in Poole in Dorset and took a temp job driving tippers, I was young and enthusiastic. A contract driver, with his own truck, had a word with me one day, cos I was doing to many runs ::) I was doing nothing special just loading and unloading, he was not happy, showed what he, and others on the same job, were doing. I took no notice. ;D ;D ;D
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this thread is showing that many of us miggy owners are actually professional drivers :y which unfortunately says a lot of us miggy owners are underpaid ::)
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My tuppence:
As a driver of a coach that weighs 12500kg unladen i can tell you that over 62mph -100kmph (which is what they are limited to) is bloody scary! - ......
You should've been in the civvy coach we were in, in the early 80's going to/from Plymouth from/to Portsmouth. There were probably 30 or 40 of us in a 72? seater coach - back in the days when they were allowed in the outside lane - doing a ton plus. It was only when we made comment about how fast we were actually going that he slowed down to more legal speeds. :-?
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My tuppence:
As a driver of a coach that weighs 12500kg unladen i can tell you that over 62mph -100kmph (which is what they are limited to) is bloody scary! - ......
You should've been in the civvy coach we were in, in the early 80's going to/from Plymouth from/to Portsmouth. There were probably 30 or 40 of us in a 72? seater coach - back in the days when they were allowed in the outside lane - doing a ton plus. It was only when we made comment about how fast we were actually going that he slowed down to more legal speeds. :-?
Was that all the buses that ran around the country for the navy, National Expresss, at the wekends. :y
Think a Coach can still use the 3rd Lane, unless I have missed something :-/
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Ok, let's say it would do 80mph. Does that mean you wouldn't try overtaking again in a similar situation ?
Better late in this world..than early in the next !
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Was that all the buses that ran around the country for the navy, National Expresss, at the wekends. :y
No Mike. Navy volunteer brass band competition in Pompey while I was a baby apprentice in Guz being ferried either there or back.
Think a Coach can still use the 3rd Lane, unless I have missed something :-/
I'm pretty sure they've been banned from the outside lane of a motorway for sometime. Too many casualties when they turned turtle.
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Going back to topic ......... ;)
I agree with the speed restriction. When you've got limited power/speed - try driving a 1.7 low blow turbo diesel everyday ;D or stick a caravan on the back of your Omega - you adjust your driving to compensate for the lack of overtaking opportunities. An Omega drives/handles completely differently with 5 in it compared to just the driver, a mini-bus with 17/18 at 60 mph is plenty fast enough.
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Being honest I dont have time this morning to read all the thread.
But going on the opening post/comments I would say the biggest mistake was not being told the vehicle was limited.
If you knew you were limited then you wouldn't/shouldn't have gone for the overtake.
I hope the pursuit driver would have applied their training and worked through the 'rules' re overtaking and haven taken the limited speed factor into account would have aborted said overtake.
OFF TOPIC
I drive my tanker for a living and I get paid per job/tip so I'm on the limiter everywhere and 'make use' of hills to gain speed (never going over 60mph ::) ) Most days I'm physically at work for 10 ish hours but invoice for 14+ due to jobs done.
I try to keep left as much as possible.
If a quicker truck, usually Irish reg or eastern block or Italian I slow by a few KPH let it pass then back up to 56-ish.
That usually prevents the massive '10 mile overtake'
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.... and 'make use' of hills to gain speed (never going over 60mph ::) ) ......
Ah! It wasn't you was it then right up my chuff going west down the hill on the M62 at 70 mph + ?? ::) :y :y :y
If a quicker truck, usually Irish reg or eastern block or Italian I slow by a few KPH let it pass then back up to 56-ish.
That usually prevents the massive '10 mile overtake'
You must be on your own then mate. ;D I've sat behind HGV's for bl00dy miles in the middle lane when I've had a caravan on the back.
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.... and 'make use' of hills to gain speed (never going over 60mph ::) ) ......
Ah! It wasn't you was it then right up my chuff going west down the hill on the M62 at 70 mph + ?? ::) :y :y :y
If a quicker truck, usually Irish reg or eastern block or Italian I slow by a few KPH let it pass then back up to 56-ish.
That usually prevents the massive '10 mile overtake'
You must be on your own then mate. ;D I've sat behind HGV's for bl00dy miles in the middle lane when I've had a caravan on the back.
We dont go that far north.
I have heard that 75mph-ish down hill is f**king heart stopping in a tanker!!!!!
As for overtaking, drivers just wont ease off. If the overtaking truck is going faster even if by .0000001mph just ease the cruise control by 1 or 2 kph then when they're past back up to 89kph
Unless your dry goods for most supermarkets...then 80Kph is your lot.
I really cant grasp why soooooo many dry goods drivers bitch and moan but wont get off their arse, do the ADR course then go hazard loads.
The wages on hazard loads is anything for mid 30s to upper 40s
Rumour has it Asda petrol tankers are on £46K BASIC!!!!!
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Going back to topic ......... ;)
I agree with the speed restriction. When you've got limited power/speed - try driving a 1.7 low blow turbo diesel everyday ;D or stick a caravan on the back of your Omega - you adjust your driving to compensate for the lack of overtaking opportunities. An Omega drives/handles completely differently with 5 in it compared to just the driver, a mini-bus with 17/18 at 60 mph is plenty fast enough.
But you can overtake safely with a van and get back in - you are just extremely careful while doing it, a speed limiter would make it more difficult. Remember the French towing limit is 82.5 and people go at what is comfortable rather than to the limit
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Going back to topic ......... ;)
I agree with the speed restriction. When you've got limited power/speed - try driving a 1.7 low blow turbo diesel everyday ;D or stick a caravan on the back of your Omega - you adjust your driving to compensate for the lack of overtaking opportunities. An Omega drives/handles completely differently with 5 in it compared to just the driver, a mini-bus with 17/18 at 60 mph is plenty fast enough.
But you can overtake safely with a van and get back in - you are just extremely careful while doing it, a speed limiter would make it more difficult. Remember the French towing limit is 82.5 and people go at what is comfortable rather than to the limit
Your problem arises because the majority of drivers think they are the world's best driver, when clearly there are not.
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The wages on hazard loads is anything for mid 30s to upper 40s
Rumour has it Asda petrol tankers are on £46K BASIC!!!!!
A couple of guys I used to run continentals with are on tankers now. 1 went to Hoyer (Esso) and he's on pretty much 40k, the other went to Asda and the rumour is about right :y
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What actually amazes me was attempting the manouvre in the 1st place with out fully getting to know the limits and performance of the bus whilst empty and then fully loaded. :-X
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[size=14]Haven't you boys sorted this one out yet!![/size]
I went to bed at 2300 thinking you men would maybe resolves the issues, but no it is still going! So much for male decisiveness!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
You lot are like the bloody United Nations; take weeks to make worthwhile decisions. :D :D :D ;)
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Going back to topic ......... ;)
I agree with the speed restriction. When you've got limited power/speed - try driving a 1.7 low blow turbo diesel everyday ;D or stick a caravan on the back of your Omega - you adjust your driving to compensate for the lack of overtaking opportunities. An Omega drives/handles completely differently with 5 in it compared to just the driver, a mini-bus with 17/18 at 60 mph is plenty fast enough.
But you can overtake safely with a van and get back in - you are just extremely careful while doing it, a speed limiter would make it more difficult. Remember the French towing limit is 82.5 and people go at what is comfortable rather than to the limit
Your problem arises because the majority of drivers think they are the world's best driver, when clearly there are not.
I have seen outfits which shouldn't be on the road.
Bad outfits
Frontera & van - snaking - going up hill at around 50, I was doing about 60 on the same hill in perfect stability
Cavalier and van - snaking on flat across Somerset Levels (same trip) they were doing about 60 as I passed I noticed their stabliser had fallen off. (watched them for about 1/2 mile)
Rover 800 boot scraping, literally too much nose weight. They pulled out of a layby so I saw the scraping as they joined the road, into the inside lane. I was slowing for a roundabout
Now I love to see outfits like this getting pulled as they are dangerous and give caravanners a bad name
Other seen not by me
Golf GTI and a twin axle
Astra with twin axle stuck on a motorway slip road as the Astra could not pull it up the slope and was stuck wheel spinning.
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The new Nissan Skyline thing has a limiter (iirc from Top Gear) that won't let it go over 105mph until it knows that it's somewhere that allows silly speeds, like a race track.
I think the day will come when cars are fitted with black boxes which record the last minute or so of driver input, engine speeds, g forces etc so when the sh!t hits the fan plod will be able to put it back together. Yes, of course there'll be the people that abuse it, turn it off, flash the electronics or whatever but it mightn't be such a bad thing. I mean on british roads who needs to go 100+? There's no excuse for it, it's just down to the drivers right foot and how they're feeling at the time (and yes, we've all been there going faster than perhaps we should).
Limiters dangerous? Hmm, I think there's reasonable grounds to fit them to all new cars, public or private.
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About 18 of us today, in a 08 reg Ford Transit Minibus turbo diesel.
Trying to get to our destination a bit swiftly... and the bl00dy thing would only do just over 60mph, foot to the floor, in any gear, on the motorway.
We pulled from lane 1 to lane 2 to try and overtake a slowing lorry, but in the end when the lorry sped up we had to back off and pull back in behind it.
The driver, next to me (an experienced persuit driver) was tearing his heir out with it, calling it all the names under the sun, until we noticed the sticker: "Limited to 60mph".
His view was, that the limiter put us in a dangerous position, when we'd began an overtaking manouver, needed an extra burst of power to get by, and didn't have it available... I must say I'm inclined to agree with him.
What's the idea of limiting these things? I think it does more harm than good, and certainly inconvenienced a lot of people behind us...
Welcome to the world of the coach driver... This is what we have to put up with all the time!
Try it with 49 people behind you that don't understand speed limiters. and just think it is down to bad driving.
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The new Nissan Skyline thing has a limiter (iirc from Top Gear) that won't let it go over 105mph until it knows that it's somewhere that allows silly speeds, like a race track.
I think the day will come when cars are fitted with black boxes which record the last minute or so of driver input, engine speeds, g forces etc so when the sh!t hits the fan plod will be able to put it back together. Yes, of course there'll be the people that abuse it, turn it off, flash the electronics or whatever but it mightn't be such a bad thing. I mean on british roads who needs to go 100+? There's no excuse for it, it's just down to the drivers right foot and how they're feeling at the time (and yes, we've all been there going faster than perhaps we should).
Limiters dangerous? Hmm, I think there's reasonable grounds to fit them to all new cars, public or private.
The difference between a free country and a dictatorship - in a free country you have the freedom to break the law but will suffer the consequences if caught,in a dictatorship the state controls what you do.
Freedom of the individual is a very precious thing. It is increasingly under threat these days and what you suggest would be one large step further down that road. ;)
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My tuppence:
As a driver of a coach that weighs 12500kg unladen i can tell you that over 62mph -100kmph (which is what they are limited to) is bloody scary! - ......
You should've been in the civvy coach we were in, in the early 80's going to/from Plymouth from/to Portsmouth. There were probably 30 or 40 of us in a 72? seater coach - back in the days when they were allowed in the outside lane - doing a ton plus. It was only when we made comment about how fast we were actually going that he slowed down to more legal speeds. :-?
Flippin 'eck i like to get my toe down in a car , but a ton in a coach????? "dime bar " springs to mind
No thanks
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About 18 of us today, in a 08 reg Ford Transit Minibus turbo diesel.
Trying to get to our destination a bit swiftly... and the bl00dy thing would only do just over 60mph, foot to the floor, in any gear, on the motorway.
We pulled from lane 1 to lane 2 to try and overtake a slowing lorry, but in the end when the lorry sped up we had to back off and pull back in behind it.
The driver, next to me (an experienced persuit driver) was tearing his heir out with it, calling it all the names under the sun, until we noticed the sticker: "Limited to 60mph".
His view was, that the limiter put us in a dangerous position, when we'd began an overtaking manouver, needed an extra burst of power to get by, and didn't have it available... I must say I'm inclined to agree with him.
What's the idea of limiting these things? I think it does more harm than good, and certainly inconvenienced a lot of people behind us...
Welcome to the world of the coach driver... This is what we have to put up with all the time!
Try it with 49 people behind you that don't understand speed limiters. and just think it is down to bad driving.
Yeah , thinking that you are just trying to milk the hours to get ya money up!!!
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.... and 'make use' of hills to gain speed (never going over 60mph ::) ) ......
Ah! It wasn't you was it then right up my chuff going west down the hill on the M62 at 70 mph + ?? ::) :y :y :y
If a quicker truck, usually Irish reg or eastern block or Italian I slow by a few KPH let it pass then back up to 56-ish.
That usually prevents the massive '10 mile overtake'
You must be on your own then mate. ;D I've sat behind HGV's for bl00dy miles in the middle lane when I've had a caravan on the back.
Sorry but i may be wrong .... however i was led to believe a caravan or trailer had to stick to the same rules as a hgv???
I.e 40,50 and 60??
I hate it when on a motorway and see mr 4x4 driver with a trailer on the back ( and always the wrong reg plate) doing at least 70mph past me wobbling around merrily!!!!!!
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Cars towing
50 on normal
60 on DC and MWAY
Police turn a blind eye to sensible & well driven outfits at road limits.
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Cars towing
50 on normal
60 on DC and MWAY
Police turn a blind eye to sensible & well driven outfits at road limits.
Ah i see , i knew i shouldn't have them sitting on my back bumper at 62/100k's trying to get me out the way.
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Cars towing
50 on normal
60 on DC and MWAY
Police turn a blind eye to sensible & well driven outfits at road limits.
Ah i see , i knew i shouldn't have them sitting on my back bumper at 62/100k's trying to get me out the way.
Actually there is a big safety reason for this and why I cruise at 65 to 70.
Overtaking a big vehicle the van does try to steer the car, but only to a little affect, accelerate past and it is fully stable.
When an HGV or a coach passes you the huge bow wave pushes the back of the caravan to the left, so the front to the right and is VERY unnerving - remember you are not accelerating and pulling the tow bar as much.
This is not a weight issue, this is simple aerodynamics, and the safest speed to travel is a little faster than the coaches and HGVs
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Cars towing
50 on normal
60 on DC and MWAY
Police turn a blind eye to sensible & well driven outfits at road limits.
Ah i see , i knew i shouldn't have them sitting on my back bumper at 62/100k's trying to get me out the way.
Actually there is a big safety reason for this and why I cruise at 65 to 70.
Overtaking a big vehicle the van does try to steer the car, but only to a little affect, accelerate past and it is fully stable.
When an HGV or a coach passes you the huge bow wave pushes the back of the caravan to the left, so the front to the right and is VERY unnerving - remember you are not accelerating and pulling the tow bar as much.
This is not a weight issue, this is simple aerodynamics, and the safest speed to travel is a little faster than the coaches and HGVs
Simple solution is to ban weekend pikeys from the roads...
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[size=14]Haven't you boys sorted this one out yet!![/size]
I went to bed at 2300 thinking you men would maybe resolves the issues, but no it is still going! So much for male decisiveness!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
You lot are like the bloody United Nations; take weeks to make worthwhile decisions. :D :D :D ;)[/quote]
;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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Cars towing
50 on normal
60 on DC and MWAY
Police turn a blind eye to sensible & well driven outfits at road limits.
Ah i see , i knew i shouldn't have them sitting on my back bumper at 62/100k's trying to get me out the way.
Actually there is a big safety reason for this and why I cruise at 65 to 70.
Overtaking a big vehicle the van does try to steer the car, but only to a little affect, accelerate past and it is fully stable.
When an HGV or a coach passes you the huge bow wave pushes the back of the caravan to the left, so the front to the right and is VERY unnerving - remember you are not accelerating and pulling the tow bar as much.
This is not a weight issue, this is simple aerodynamics, and the safest speed to travel is a little faster than the coaches and HGVs
Simple solution is to ban weekend pikeys from the roads...
:P :P :P :P
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Ban Snail draggers from motorways after 6pm Friday, all day Saturday and before 5pm Sunday
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Cars towing
50 on normal
60 on DC and MWAY
Police turn a blind eye to sensible & well driven outfits at road limits.
Ah i see , i knew i shouldn't have them sitting on my back bumper at 62/100k's trying to get me out the way.
Actually there is a big safety reason for this and why I cruise at 65 to 70.
Overtaking a big vehicle the van does try to steer the car, but only to a little affect, accelerate past and it is fully stable.
When an HGV or a coach passes you the huge bow wave pushes the back of the caravan to the left, so the front to the right and is VERY unnerving - remember you are not accelerating and pulling the tow bar as much.
This is not a weight issue, this is simple aerodynamics, and the safest speed to travel is a little faster than the coaches and HGVs
Simple solution is to ban weekend pikeys from the roads...
:P :P :P :P
No the simple solution with all this male indecision on their driving practices is to ban all men from the roads!! :P :P :P :P
Make them go by public transport, so women can have the complete freedom of the road, going shopping, doing the school run, visiting relatives, and undertaking their business without intimidation from some sizeable number of the opposite gender in extensions of their intimate parts who do not recognize the limits of the vehicle they are driving and themselves!! ::) ::) ::) :D ;) ;)
Sorry for all that chaps, but I just wanted to be contraversial as no two men will agree on the subject matter of this thread............well perhaps not until next weekend!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Having read this post from start I find there are extremes of veiws, limiters can cause serious danger to many road users, a sixteen year old on a moped than can hardly keep up with traffic around town is putting his life in danger and that of others who attempt to over take for the sake of an extra 10 mph. Trucks on a long climb causing frustration to others following. A mini bus on an B road pushing it through a twisty section is probably far more dangerous than the same mini bus cruising at 70mph on an open road or motorway they may not reach the limiter on the B road but this doesn't make it safe. The driver should be the one in control yes you are limited by the vehicles capabilities but a good driver will asses this whilst making his/ her decisions. A bad driver will be a danger what ever you try to do. To have an extra control that has no regard for road conditions has got to be dangerous whether in this specific case or others, For example if you start an over take and a vehicle pulls from a side junction that hasn't seen you, having the choice of accelerating or braking may save lives. If following a slower vehicle in a line of traffic often when you pull out to over take the vehicle behind you has already filled the gap you were in leaving you no where to pull back into if you brake so having the option of accelerating above the speed limit is probably the safest response. Speed restrictors are the thin edge of the wedge of the government controling your driving habits
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.... and 'make use' of hills to gain speed (never going over 60mph ::) ) ......
Ah! It wasn't you was it then right up my chuff going west down the hill on the M62 at 70 mph + ?? ::) :y :y :y
If a quicker truck, usually Irish reg or eastern block or Italian I slow by a few KPH let it pass then back up to 56-ish.
That usually prevents the massive '10 mile overtake'
You must be on your own then mate. ;D I've sat behind HGV's for bl00dy miles in the middle lane when I've had a caravan on the back.
Sorry but i may be wrong .... however i was led to believe a caravan or trailer had to stick to the same rules as a hgv???
I.e 40,50 and 60??...
You're right! And if you did 60 it'd be fine with me, but when you're doing 55.99999 mph & the bloke you attempted to overtake on the flat is doing 56. I 'm allowed & can do 60 uphill & down dale all day long. :y
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Having read this post from start I find there are extremes of veiws, limiters can cause serious danger to many road users, a sixteen year old on a moped than can hardly keep up with traffic around town is putting his life in danger and that of others who attempt to over take for the sake of an extra 10 mph. Trucks on a long climb causing frustration to others following. A mini bus on an B road pushing it through a twisty section is probably far more dangerous than the same mini bus cruising at 70mph on an open road or motorway they may not reach the limiter on the B road but this doesn't make it safe. The driver should be the one in control yes you are limited by the vehicles capabilities but a good driver will asses this whilst making his/ her decisions. A bad driver will be a danger what ever you try to do. To have an extra control that has no regard for road conditions has got to be dangerous whether in this specific case or others, For example if you start an over take and a vehicle pulls from a side junction that hasn't seen you, having the choice of accelerating or braking may save lives. If following a slower vehicle in a line of traffic often when you pull out to over take the vehicle behind you has already filled the gap you were in leaving you no where to pull back into if you brake so having the option of accelerating above the speed limit is probably the safest response. Speed restrictors are the thin edge of the wedge of the government controling your driving habits
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But you are all missing the point: Within the next few years there will be no space left to accelarate or speed in, not even for me, as congestion is soon to become overwhelming!! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :(
The only way to control the traffic safely will be by computer and satelite controlled vehicles on most main roads! ;)
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I fit Tachographs and speed limiters and hold the relevent cert.
Trucks are limited to 90k and coaches to 100k
And as from begining of this year transit type vans and above are limited to 100k.I dont think its introduced retrospectivley though but would have to check that.
Also the speed limiter sticker must be fitted in a place in the cab that can be seen from the drivers seat.That dosent mean its the first thing you see but if you look for it you must be able to see it.
You find alot of stickers fitted in the door frame which is inccorect but for some reason VOSA turn a blind eye to it a test time.
An exemption is blue light vehicles which have the speed limiter turned off for obviousl reasons.
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.... and 'make use' of hills to gain speed (never going over 60mph ::) ) ......
Ah! It wasn't you was it then right up my chuff going west down the hill on the M62 at 70 mph + ?? ::) :y :y :y
If a quicker truck, usually Irish reg or eastern block or Italian I slow by a few KPH let it pass then back up to 56-ish.
That usually prevents the massive '10 mile overtake'
You must be on your own then mate. ;D I've sat behind HGV's for bl00dy miles in the middle lane when I've had a caravan on the back.
Sorry but i may be wrong .... however i was led to believe a caravan or trailer had to stick to the same rules as a hgv???
I.e 40,50 and 60??...
You're right! And if you did 60 it'd be fine with me, but when you're doing 55.99999 mph & the bloke you attempted to overtake on the flat is doing 56. I 'm allowed & can do 60 uphill & down dale all day long. :y
I agree, they shouldnt overtake when the difference in speed is so minimal , a few roads have the no over 7.5t overtaking scheme at peak times and i think its a good idea!
But in a coach i can do 62 Woohoo so it dont affect me :y
And remember everyone as these hgv/pcv vehicles are capable of much more, they still have loads of torque(depending what you are carrying) right up to the point the limiter kicks in .so if you are a "good driver" you will know how to use that torque safely!
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I fit Tachographs and speed limiters and hold the relevent cert.
Trucks are limited to 90k and coaches to 100k
And as from begining of this year transit type vans and above are limited to 100k.I dont think its introduced retrospectivley though but would have to check that.
Also the speed limiter sticker must be fitted in a place in the cab that can be seen from the drivers seat.That dosent mean its the first thing you see but if you look for it you must be able to see it.
You find alot of stickers fitted in the door frame which is inccorect but for some reason VOSA turn a blind eye to it a test time.
An exemption is blue light vehicles which have the speed limiter turned off for obviousl reasons.
All coaches/buses i have driven have it stuck to the drivers window
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Cars towing
50 on normal
60 on DC and MWAY
Police turn a blind eye to sensible & well driven outfits at road limits.
Ah i see , i knew i shouldn't have them sitting on my back bumper at 62/100k's trying to get me out the way.
Actually there is a big safety reason for this and why I cruise at 65 to 70.
Overtaking a big vehicle the van does try to steer the car, but only to a little affect, accelerate past and it is fully stable.
When an HGV or a coach passes you the huge bow wave pushes the back of the caravan to the left, so the front to the right and is VERY unnerving - remember you are not accelerating and pulling the tow bar as much.
This is not a weight issue, this is simple aerodynamics, and the safest speed to travel is a little faster than the coaches and HGVs
Simple solution is to ban weekend pikeys from the roads...
:P :P :P :P
No the simple solution with all this male indecision on their driving practices is to ban all men from the roads!! :P :P :P :P
Make them go by public transport, so women can have the complete freedom of the road, going shopping, doing the school run, visiting relatives, and undertaking their business without intimidation from some sizeable number of the opposite gender in extensions of their intimate parts who do not recognize the limits of the vehicle they are driving and themselves!! ::) ::) ::) :D ;) ;)
Sorry for all that chaps, but I just wanted to be contraversial as no two men will agree on the subject matter of this thread............well perhaps not until next weekend!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
The difference between male and female drivers is (90% of the time) when women have a bump they knock wing mirrors off or scrape bumpers or hit bollards etc and men ................Do it PROPERLY!
(that was written in reply to an insurance survey that said women were better drivers than men) But as women were made from mans spare ribs how can they ever be superior :P ;D :D ::) ::)
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And remember everyone as these hgv/pcv vehicles are capable of much more, they still have loads of torque(depending what you are carrying) right up to the point the limiter kicks in .so if you are a "good driver" you will know how to use that torque safely!
I know a solo tractor unit will give you a good run for your money in the Traffic Light Grand Prix! ..... I nearly ran out of road before his 56mph limiter kicked in! ::) :y :y :y
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And remember everyone as these hgv/pcv vehicles are capable of much more, they still have loads of torque(depending what you are carrying) right up to the point the limiter kicks in .so if you are a "good driver" you will know how to use that torque safely!
I know a solo tractor unit will give you a good run for your money in the Traffic Light Grand Prix! ..... I nearly ran out of road before his 56mph limiter kicked in! ::) :y :y :y
Yeah MEGA FAST!!
I tell you whats even faster........ a bloody heavy goods recovery truck, had a race( maybe wrong word ) with one of these beasties many years ago, was in a merc atego 7.5 tonner at 80mph he was passing me ............. BUT ...he could only use lane one and two so when he came across a car in lane 2 i got away from him, oh yeah and he was pulling a tractor unit too :P ;D
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Cars towing
50 on normal
60 on DC and MWAY
Police turn a blind eye to sensible & well driven outfits at road limits.
Ah i see , i knew i shouldn't have them sitting on my back bumper at 62/100k's trying to get me out the way.
Actually there is a big safety reason for this and why I cruise at 65 to 70.
Overtaking a big vehicle the van does try to steer the car, but only to a little affect, accelerate past and it is fully stable.
When an HGV or a coach passes you the huge bow wave pushes the back of the caravan to the left, so the front to the right and is VERY unnerving - remember you are not accelerating and pulling the tow bar as much.
This is not a weight issue, this is simple aerodynamics, and the safest speed to travel is a little faster than the coaches and HGVs
Simple solution is to ban weekend pikeys from the roads...
:P :P :P :P
No the simple solution with all this male indecision on their driving practices is to ban all men from the roads!! :P :P :P :P
Make them go by public transport, so women can have the complete freedom of the road, going shopping, doing the school run, visiting relatives, and undertaking their business without intimidation from some sizeable number of the opposite gender in extensions of their intimate parts who do not recognize the limits of the vehicle they are driving and themselves!! ::) ::) ::) :D ;) ;)
Sorry for all that chaps, but I just wanted to be contraversial as no two men will agree on the subject matter of this thread............well perhaps not until next weekend!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
The difference between male and female drivers is (90% of the time) when women have a bump they knock wing mirrors off or scrape bumpers or hit bollards etc and men ................Do it PROPERLY!
(that was written in reply to an insurance survey that said women were better drivers than men) But as women were made from mans spare ribs how can they ever be superior :P ;D :D ::) ::)
Everything else I agree with tyreburner, but popular mytholgy has the rib question back to front! ::) ::)
In fact it is a historical fact that God created women and she soon became lonely, so God agreed for her to have a male baby........so now before the 12th week after conception some fetus develop as males to keep women happy. 8-) 8-) 8-):D :D ;) ;) ;D ;D
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What actually amazes me was attempting the manouvre in the 1st place with out fully getting to know the limits and performance of the bus whilst empty and then fully loaded. :-X
But why do you keep going on about that on this forum, when said driver is not available here to comment?
As per previous posts, I was NOT driving ;)
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What actually amazes me was attempting the manouvre in the 1st place with out fully getting to know the limits and performance of the bus whilst empty and then fully loaded. :-X
But why do you keep going on about that on this forum, when said driver is not available here to comment?
As per previous posts, I was NOT driving ;)
Never said you were driving james. But if you dont want people to talk or reply to posts then dont post them in the 1st place.
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What actually amazes me was attempting the manouvre in the 1st place with out fully getting to know the limits and performance of the bus whilst empty and then fully loaded. :-X
But why do you keep going on about that on this forum, when said driver is not available here to comment?
As per previous posts, I was NOT driving ;)
Never said you were driving james. But if you dont want people to talk or reply to posts then dont post them in the 1st place.
I think, everything considered, it would be better not to post anything at all ;D
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Having read this post from start I find there are extremes of veiws, limiters can cause serious danger to many road users, a sixteen year old on a moped than can hardly keep up with traffic around town is putting his life in danger and that of others who attempt to over take for the sake of an extra 10 mph. Trucks on a long climb causing frustration to others following. A mini bus on an B road pushing it through a twisty section is probably far more dangerous than the same mini bus cruising at 70mph on an open road or motorway they may not reach the limiter on the B road but this doesn't make it safe. The driver should be the one in control yes you are limited by the vehicles capabilities but a good driver will asses this whilst making his/ her decisions. A bad driver will be a danger what ever you try to do. To have an extra control that has no regard for road conditions has got to be dangerous whether in this specific case or others, For example if you start an over take and a vehicle pulls from a side junction that hasn't seen you, having the choice of accelerating or braking may save lives. If following a slower vehicle in a line of traffic often when you pull out to over take the vehicle behind you has already filled the gap you were in leaving you no where to pull back into if you brake so having the option of accelerating above the speed limit is probably the safest response. Speed restrictors are the thin edge of the wedge of the government controling your driving habits
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:y :y If we accept control rather than education is going to be the way forward ,then we are in deep shite imo. :y :y
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Speed restrictors are the thin edge of the wedge of the government controling your driving habits
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nooo... they are there to stop those really hardcore, transit driving criminals, from doing 5mph more than they're allowed when overtaking a HGV.... ;D
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I fit Tachographs and speed limiters and hold the relevent cert.
Trucks are limited to 90k and coaches to 100k
And as from begining of this year transit type vans and above are limited to 100k.I dont think its introduced retrospectivley though but would have to check that.
Also the speed limiter sticker must be fitted in a place in the cab that can be seen from the drivers seat.That dosent mean its the first thing you see but if you look for it you must be able to see it.
You find alot of stickers fitted in the door frame which is inccorect but for some reason VOSA turn a blind eye to it a test time.
An exemption is blue light vehicles which have the speed limiter turned off for obviousl reasons.
All coaches/buses i have driven have it stuck to the drivers window
Yes thats Ok,i really mean trucks as there is some people who fit the sticker in the door frame and you can only see it when the door is open and allthuogh you can see it from the seat its not in the normal driving position