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http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Speeding-Penalty-Six-Points-On-Licence-Driving-Ban-Proposals-Being-Considered-By-Government/Article/200811315155826?lpos=UK_News_Top_Stories_Header_2&lid=ARTICLE_15155826_Speeding_Penalty_Six_Points_On_Licence%3A_Driving_Ban_Proposals_Being_Considered_By_Government
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heard this on the news this morning. personaly all speeding convictions should be judged on there own merits.
ie. 85mph on a motorway, nice sunny day, very little traffic is no way near as bad as 45 in a 30 on a wet day with plenty of pedestrians. yet they both carry the same penalty.
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heard this on the news this morning. personaly all speeding convictions should be judged on there own merits.
ie. 85mph on a motorway, nice sunny day, very little traffic is no way near as bad as 45 in a 30 on a wet day with plenty of pedestrians. yet they both carry the same penalty.
Judging is expensive, though, especially in our farcical legal system. I suspect this measure is a move to rubber-stamp more serious speeding offences with 6 points of cheap justice rather than have too many cases being decided the expensive way on their merits in court.
It's plain to see that the problems of our roads today aren't caused by speeding but by lack of traffic Police who could correct the wider range of driving problems less easy to detect. Unfortunately they're expensive too. >:(
Kevin
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Watching The Wright Stuff this morning they were saying Ministers are trying to decide if the 6 points should b for 15 "or" 20 mph above the limit.
But also mention of 2 points for being 2 or 3 mph over limit.
Maybe a sliding scale could work, but then there are the considerations of the area/road, maybe a built up school area, or a motorway with no pedestians and no oncomimng traffic.
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What is the Speed classed as over the limit though.
Road wars the other night.
40 MPH speed limit, they said the camera was set to pick up a prosecution at 49 MPH. Thats based on 40 limit + 10 % + 4 MPH = 48 MPH therefore 49 MPH is a ticket. Ok
Motorways.70 + 10% +7 = 84 but I think they mentioned having no interest up to 90 if you were behaving lane wise and general driving allthough still speeding. BUT at 96 MPH it goes to court and put the case in front of a judge.
From what I have seen of road wars I feel the Police are quite fair and as long as you are driving with "the flow" in a normal way then all is fine. But sadly the unmanned static camera dont have a say in pending proecusions or points on licence. :-/
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Watching The Wright Stuff this morning they were saying Ministers are trying to decide if the 6 points should b for 15 "or" 20 mph above the limit.
But also mention of 2 points for being 2 or 3 mph over limit.
Maybe a sliding scale could work, but then there are the considerations of the area/road, maybe a built up school area, or a motorway with no pedestians and no oncomimng traffic.
housing estates, shopping areas, near schools, any where kids play. put cameras every 50 yds. dual carriage ways, motorways. leave alone. also educating children and some adults wouldnt hurt much either. youd be suprised the amount of people these days who cross roads/junctions with out checking properly. it's not always the drivers fault when people/idiots get run over.
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Watching The Wright Stuff this morning they were saying Ministers are trying to decide if the 6 points should b for 15 "or" 20 mph above the limit.
But also mention of 2 points for being 2 or 3 mph over limit.
Maybe a sliding scale could work, but then there are the considerations of the area/road, maybe a built up school area, or a motorway with no pedestians and no oncomimng traffic.
housing estates, shopping areas, near schools, any where kids play. put cameras every 50 yds. dual carriage ways, motorways. leave alone. also educating children and some adults wouldnt hurt much either. youd be suprised the amount of people these days who cross roads/junctions with out checking properly. it's not always the drivers fault when people/idiots get run over.
Totally agree.
Bring back the Green Cross Code. and educate motorists how to park outside the schols.
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Watching The Wright Stuff this morning they were saying Ministers are trying to decide if the 6 points should b for 15 "or" 20 mph above the limit.
But also mention of 2 points for being 2 or 3 mph over limit.
Maybe a sliding scale could work, but then there are the considerations of the area/road, maybe a built up school area, or a motorway with no pedestians and no oncomimng traffic.
Watch the accident rate greatly increase
Not workable at all
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Watching The Wright Stuff this morning they were saying Ministers are trying to decide if the 6 points should b for 15 "or" 20 mph above the limit.
But also mention of 2 points for being 2 or 3 mph over limit.
Maybe a sliding scale could work, but then there are the considerations of the area/road, maybe a built up school area, or a motorway with no pedestians and no oncomimng traffic.
housing estates, shopping areas, near schools, any where kids play. put cameras every 50 yds. dual carriage ways, motorways. leave alone. also educating children and some adults wouldnt hurt much either. youd be suprised the amount of people these days who cross roads/junctions with out checking properly. it's not always the drivers fault when people/idiots get run over.
Overdose
People must not be so afraid that they are not looking where they are going, watch any speed camera - people drift across lanes, people nearly run into each other.
Best ideas are these.
Education
Mixed use streets - no pavements, no roads, just a wide paved area all users are wary in.
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Watching The Wright Stuff this morning they were saying Ministers are trying to decide if the 6 points should b for 15 "or" 20 mph above the limit.
But also mention of 2 points for being 2 or 3 mph over limit.
Maybe a sliding scale could work, but then there are the considerations of the area/road, maybe a built up school area, or a motorway with no pedestians and no oncomimng traffic.
housing estates, shopping areas, near schools, any where kids play. put cameras every 50 yds. dual carriage ways, motorways. leave alone. also educating children and some adults wouldnt hurt much either. youd be suprised the amount of people these days who cross roads/junctions with out checking properly. it's not always the drivers fault when people/idiots get run over.
Overdose
People must not be so afraid that they are not looking where they are going, watch any speed camera - people drift across lanes, people nearly run into each other.
Best ideas are these.
Education
Mixed use streets - no pavements, no roads, just a wide paved area all users are wary in.
That is what they have introduced here in Ashford, Kent, the first major 'shared space' town centre road system in the country apparently! ::) ::)
The council received national condemnation for spending £15,000 on a public "Crossing the Road" training DVD, after Kent County Council has lost £50 million in the Icelandic Banks fiasco!
As for these latest speeding penalty offences, I heard this morning on the BBC that it is proposed that if you are caught twice exceeding the speed limit by 20mph "you are out" ; banned, finished, finito!!!!! >:( >:( >:(
So if you are caught doing 90 mph on a motorway it is judged as bad as doing 50 mph outside a school.........if this is true it is f'ing crazy, mad, daft, ludicrous, barmy, f'ing stupid.........etc, etc!!!!!!!!! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Watching The Wright Stuff this morning they were saying Ministers are trying to decide if the 6 points should b for 15 "or" 20 mph above the limit.
But also mention of 2 points for being 2 or 3 mph over limit.
Maybe a sliding scale could work, but then there are the considerations of the area/road, maybe a built up school area, or a motorway with no pedestians and no oncomimng traffic.
housing estates, shopping areas, near schools, any where kids play. put cameras every 50 yds. dual carriage ways, motorways. leave alone. also educating children and some adults wouldnt hurt much either. youd be suprised the amount of people these days who cross roads/junctions with out checking properly. it's not always the drivers fault when people/idiots get run over.
Overdose
People must not be so afraid that they are not looking where they are going, watch any speed camera - people drift across lanes, people nearly run into each other.
Best ideas are these.
Education
Mixed use streets - no pavements, no roads, just a wide paved area all users are wary in.
That is what they have introduced here in Ashford, Kent, the first major 'shared space' town centre road system in the country apparently! ::) ::)
The council received national condemnation for spending £15,000 on a public "Crossing the Road" training DVD, after Kent County Council has lost £50 million in the Icelandic Banks fiasco!
As for these latest speeding penalty offences, I heard this morning on the BBC that it is proposed that if you are caught twice exceeding the speed limit by 20mph "you are out" ; banned, finished, finito!!!!! >:( >:( >:(
So if you are caught doing 90 mph on a motorway it is judged as bad as doing 50 mph outside a school.........if this is true it is f'ing crazy, mad, daft, ludicrous, barmy, f'ing stupid.........etc, etc!!!!!!!!! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
count me also Lizzie ;D
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Never been a big believer of speeding fines/points etc. I drive 250+ miles a day and very rarely do I see speed being a great problem on the roads.
For towns, villages and city centers there is a very simple solution - average speed cameras which are already in use. Never seen one in a town or village though, only on the notorious A77 and they are also quite common in roadworks.
Driving in fast lanes without moving in to the inside lane when it's clear; cutting lanes on roundabouts; hesitating at junctions; no use of indicators are all things in my book that are far more dangerous than someone speeding that is clearly comfortable with their speed.
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Guess I'm going to get banned eventually then! ;D
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I think the EU directive to get road deaths down by so much in a ten year period which must be 6 years through now maybe 7, is behind this.
What staggered me is that the nearly 3000 deaths a year on the UK roads (that is approx EIGHT a day) is so good that the UK is second best in the world apparently. I don'yt know how they measure it. Road miles completed to deaths maybe.
I think a better approach would be to get everyone to drive "two chevrons apart" on Motorways, reduce the speed limit in towns on none arterial roads to 20, increase the speed limit on arterial roads to 40 and motorways to 80 and then educate people to allow just a small amount of time extra for every journey.
Drugs driving is to me a more serious problem. Just before I left the UK I was overtaken by someone on a dual carriageway ring road around Leicester and then at the last moment the car took the A50 exit by going up the grass , launching up the ARMCO and onto the road. Everyone was so lucky..... I have often thought the driver must have been high on something.
varche
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I think the EU directive to get road deaths down by so much in a ten year period which must be 6 years through now maybe 7, is behind this.
What staggered me is that the nearly 3000 deaths a year on the UK roads (that is approx EIGHT a day) is so good that the UK is second best in the world apparently. I don'yt know how they measure it. Road miles completed to deaths maybe.
I think a better approach would be to get everyone to drive "two chevrons apart" on Motorways, reduce the speed limit in towns on none arterial roads to 20, increase the speed limit on arterial roads to 40 and motorways to 80 and then educate people to allow just a small amount of time extra for every journey.
Drugs driving is to me a more serious problem. Just before I left the UK I was overtaken by someone on a dual carriageway ring road around Leicester and then at the last moment the car took the A50 exit by going up the grass , launching up the ARMCO and onto the road. Everyone was so lucky..... I have often thought the driver must have been high on something.
varche
doesnt work mate. there was a stretch of the M6 in cheshire that was marked out with chevrons. problem is i keep 2 chevrons behind you, somebody pulss into that gap, i slow down and keep 2 chevrons behind him, somebody else pulls into that gap and so on and so on. you end up going backwards, all it does is slow down the traffic and cause jams, they've now removed the chevrons and traffic flows freely again. total waste of tax payers money.
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hmm or could it be they need more money,due to the credit crunch.....i wonder
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I think the EU directive to get road deaths down by so much in a ten year period which must be 6 years through now maybe 7, is behind this.
What staggered me is that the nearly 3000 deaths a year on the UK roads (that is approx EIGHT a day) is so good that the UK is second best in the world apparently. I don'yt know how they measure it. Road miles completed to deaths maybe.
I think a better approach would be to get everyone to drive "two chevrons apart" on Motorways, reduce the speed limit in towns on none arterial roads to 20, increase the speed limit on arterial roads to 40 and motorways to 80 and then educate people to allow just a small amount of time extra for every journey.
Drugs driving is to me a more serious problem. Just before I left the UK I was overtaken by someone on a dual carriageway ring road around Leicester and then at the last moment the car took the A50 exit by going up the grass , launching up the ARMCO and onto the road. Everyone was so lucky..... I have often thought the driver must have been high on something.
varche
doesnt work mate. there was a stretch of the M6 in cheshire that was marked out with chevrons. problem is i keep 2 chevrons behind you, somebody pulss into that gap, i slow down and keep 2 chevrons behind him, somebody else pulls into that gap and so on and so on. you end up going backwards, all it does is slow down the traffic and cause jams, they've now removed the chevrons and traffic flows freely again. total waste of tax payers money.
Road deaths in the U.K..records kept since 1926.
1926.....4886
1941....9169.
1966....7985
2007....2943.
Less deaths ....far more cars.....in my opinion mainly due to car safety and NOT speed cameras.
Now let me see .....airbags ...crumple zones.....ABS/ESP...better tyres ..better everything as regards safety.
People can ...and do ...walk away after a big accident that would have killed tham 10 times over in yesteryear.
The problem is that we are so risk averse these days....frightened of this ..frightened of that.
Let us accept that their is a certain risk in almost everything..and just enjoy our cars without the need to bring accident statistics to zero.
The roads are safer than they have ever been and speed cameras make little or no difference......GET RID OF THEM.
Deaths on the road will go down ...as cars become safer still.... :y :y :y
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I think the EU directive to get road deaths down by so much in a ten year period which must be 6 years through now maybe 7, is behind this.
What staggered me is that the nearly 3000 deaths a year on the UK roads (that is approx EIGHT a day) is so good that the UK is second best in the world apparently. I don'yt know how they measure it. Road miles completed to deaths maybe.
I think a better approach would be to get everyone to drive "two chevrons apart" on Motorways, reduce the speed limit in towns on none arterial roads to 20, increase the speed limit on arterial roads to 40 and motorways to 80 and then educate people to allow just a small amount of time extra for every journey.
Drugs driving is to me a more serious problem. Just before I left the UK I was overtaken by someone on a dual carriageway ring road around Leicester and then at the last moment the car took the A50 exit by going up the grass , launching up the ARMCO and onto the road. Everyone was so lucky..... I have often thought the driver must have been high on something.
varche
doesnt work mate. there was a stretch of the M6 in cheshire that was marked out with chevrons. problem is i keep 2 chevrons behind you, somebody pulss into that gap, i slow down and keep 2 chevrons behind him, somebody else pulls into that gap and so on and so on. you end up going backwards, all it does is slow down the traffic and cause jams, they've now removed the chevrons and traffic flows freely again. total waste of tax payers money.
Road deaths in the U.K..records kept since 1926.
1926.....4886
1941....9169.
1966....7985
2007....2943.
Less deaths ....far more cars.....in my opinion mainly due to car safety and NOT speed cameras.
Now let me see .....airbags ...crumple zones.....ABS/ESP...better tyres ..better everything as regards safety.
People can ...and do ...walk away after a big accident that would have killed tham 10 times over in yesteryear.
The problem is that we are so risk averse these days....frightened of this ..frightened of that.
Let us accept that their is a certain risk in almost everything..and just enjoy our cars without the need to bring accident statistics to zero.
The roads are safer than they have ever been and speed cameras make little or no difference......GET RID OF THEM.
Deaths on the road will go down ...as cars become safer still.... :y :y :y
well said mate. couldnt agree more. all we got to do now is educate our children as to how to behave around roads.
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I think the EU directive to get road deaths down by so much in a ten year period which must be 6 years through now maybe 7, is behind this.
What staggered me is that the nearly 3000 deaths a year on the UK roads (that is approx EIGHT a day) is so good that the UK is second best in the world apparently. I don'yt know how they measure it. Road miles completed to deaths maybe.
I think a better approach would be to get everyone to drive "two chevrons apart" on Motorways, reduce the speed limit in towns on none arterial roads to 20, increase the speed limit on arterial roads to 40 and motorways to 80 and then educate people to allow just a small amount of time extra for every journey.
Drugs driving is to me a more serious problem. Just before I left the UK I was overtaken by someone on a dual carriageway ring road around Leicester and then at the last moment the car took the A50 exit by going up the grass , launching up the ARMCO and onto the road. Everyone was so lucky..... I have often thought the driver must have been high on something.
varche
doesnt work mate. there was a stretch of the M6 in cheshire that was marked out with chevrons. problem is i keep 2 chevrons behind you, somebody pulss into that gap, i slow down and keep 2 chevrons behind him, somebody else pulls into that gap and so on and so on. you end up going backwards, all it does is slow down the traffic and cause jams, they've now removed the chevrons and traffic flows freely again. total waste of tax payers money.
Road deaths in the U.K..records kept since 1926.
1926.....4886
1941....9169.
1966....7985
2007....2943.
Less deaths ....far more cars.....in my opinion mainly due to car safety and NOT speed cameras.
Now let me see .....airbags ...crumple zones.....ABS/ESP...better tyres ..better everything as regards safety.
People can ...and do ...walk away after a big accident that would have killed tham 10 times over in yesteryear.
The problem is that we are so risk averse these days....frightened of this ..frightened of that.
Let us accept that their is a certain risk in almost everything..and just enjoy our cars without the need to bring accident statistics to zero.
The roads are safer than they have ever been and speed cameras make little or no difference......GET RID OF THEM.
Deaths on the road will go down ...as cars become safer still.... :y :y :y
And the amazing fact is that in 1934 there were 7,000 deaths on UK roads with just 1.5 million vehicle registered :o :o.
The following year voluntary, then compulsary driving tests were introduced. 8-) 8-)
The 9,000+ deaths of 1941 were reckoned to be down to the "blackout" conditions in the UK's towns and cities, with people walking out in front of darkened vehicles, especially in the fogs. :( :(
Although we of course want road deaths to fall from the current 3,000+ per year figure (with how many millions of registered vehicles?!), it will not be solely achieved by stopping us doing 90 on a motorway, or "catching" us by speed cameras. What we need is far more police traffic officers to take the unlicenced, uninsured, untaxed, drunk bastards off the roads! 8-) 8-) 8-)
The cash cow of the speed camera is of course politically attractive, and the Government do not want to spend real money, on real policeman, for real road safety advances were the education of the wreckless amoungs't us can be dealt with! No that takes political guts and common sense.........I say no more!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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I think the EU directive to get road deaths down by so much in a ten year period which must be 6 years through now maybe 7, is behind this.
What staggered me is that the nearly 3000 deaths a year on the UK roads (that is approx EIGHT a day) is so good that the UK is second best in the world apparently. I don'yt know how they measure it. Road miles completed to deaths maybe.
I think a better approach would be to get everyone to drive "two chevrons apart" on Motorways, reduce the speed limit in towns on none arterial roads to 20, increase the speed limit on arterial roads to 40 and motorways to 80 and then educate people to allow just a small amount of time extra for every journey.
Drugs driving is to me a more serious problem. Just before I left the UK I was overtaken by someone on a dual carriageway ring road around Leicester and then at the last moment the car took the A50 exit by going up the grass , launching up the ARMCO and onto the road. Everyone was so lucky..... I have often thought the driver must have been high on something.
varche
doesnt work mate. there was a stretch of the M6 in cheshire that was marked out with chevrons. problem is i keep 2 chevrons behind you, somebody pulss into that gap, i slow down and keep 2 chevrons behind him, somebody else pulls into that gap and so on and so on. you end up going backwards, all it does is slow down the traffic and cause jams, they've now removed the chevrons and traffic flows freely again. total waste of tax payers money.
Road deaths in the U.K..records kept since 1926.
1926.....4886
1941....9169.
1966....7985
2007....2943.
Less deaths ....far more cars.....in my opinion mainly due to car safety and NOT speed cameras.
Now let me see .....airbags ...crumple zones.....ABS/ESP...better tyres ..better everything as regards safety.
People can ...and do ...walk away after a big accident that would have killed tham 10 times over in yesteryear.
The problem is that we are so risk averse these days....frightened of this ..frightened of that.
Let us accept that their is a certain risk in almost everything..and just enjoy our cars without the need to bring accident statistics to zero.
The roads are safer than they have ever been and speed cameras make little or no difference......GET RID OF THEM.
Deaths on the road will go down ...as cars become safer still.... :y :y :y
And the amazing fact is that in 1934 there were 7,000 deaths on UK roads with just 1.5 million vehicle registered :o :o.
The following year voluntary, then compulsary driving tests were introduced. 8-) 8-)
The 9,000+ deaths of 1941 were reckoned to be down to the "blackout" conditions in the UK's towns and cities, with people walking out in front of darkened vehicles, especially in the fogs. :( :(
Although we of course want road deaths to fall from the current 3,000+ per year figure (with how many millions of registered vehicles?!), it will not be solely achieved by stopping us doing 90 on a motorway, or "catching" us by speed cameras. What we need is far more police traffic officers to take the unlicenced, uninsured, untaxed, drunk bastards off the roads! 8-) 8-) 8-)
The cash cow of the speed camera is of course politically attractive, and the Government do not want to spend real money, on real policeman, for real road safety advances were the education of the wreckless amoungs't us can be dealt with! No that takes political guts and common sense.........I say no more!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Yep....You are dead right about the 1941 "blackout" figures Lizzie.An all time high figure . :y :y :y
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I must note that we are world #2 in death accidents :( :-[
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Would make for some interesting stats turning the numbers into percentages for all years
No of cars / Deaths = %
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Would make for some interesting stats turning the numbers into percentages for all years
No of cars / Deaths = %
here is numbers for 2007 only
749,456 accidents
3,459 death
149,140 wounded
:(
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Would make for some interesting stats turning the numbers into percentages for all years
No of cars / Deaths = %
here is numbers for 2007 only
749,456 accidents
3,459 death
149,140 wounded
:(
Is this just for the UK or worldwide?
Will need number of cars on the roads as well.
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Would make for some interesting stats turning the numbers into percentages for all years
No of cars / Deaths = %
here is numbers for 2007 only
749,456 accidents
3,459 death
149,140 wounded
:(
Is this just for the UK or worldwide?
Will need number of cars on the roads as well.
These numbers are for Turkey..#total vehicles 13,022,945...
I'm a lazy git.. ;D