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Title: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: albitz on 21 November 2008, 22:07:21
According to BBC news the planned increase in ved will be cancelled as part of the tax cuts which are being planned.
Downside is,give it 3 or 4 years and taxes will rise so much we wont be able to afford to run a bicycle.
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: Danny on 21 November 2008, 22:18:14
its looking that way, but tragically it still wont do much for the values of cars!
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: Albatross on 21 November 2008, 22:51:09
Sorry?

Does this mean that the proposed hike on road tax for post march 2001 cars is not going to increase to £400+ next year after all?
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: Danny on 21 November 2008, 22:52:35
correct........... allegedly!!
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: Albatross on 21 November 2008, 22:55:17
Woo hoo! :D [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]


Paaaarty
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: mantahatch on 21 November 2008, 23:00:35
Well if they do, then can I sue the government for making me sell the wife's volvo at a reduced price, and bu a smaller car at increased price. And all because of this tax.
At the end of the day there must be thousands of people in our situation.
Love to no if we have any legal recourse.
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: Danny on 21 November 2008, 23:09:25
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Well if they do, then can I sue the government for making me sell the wife's volvo at a reduced price, and bu a smaller car at increased price. And all because of this tax.
At the end of the day there must be thousands of people in our situation.
Love to no if we have any legal recourse.

cant see us getting very far suing for that otherwise I would aswell, even tho thats not officially why i sold mine
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: Dave-C on 22 November 2008, 08:09:55
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Well if they do, then can I sue the government for making me sell the wife's volvo at a reduced price, and bu a smaller car at increased price. And all because of this tax.
At the end of the day there must be thousands of people in our situation.
Love to no if we have any legal recourse.

Vote accordingly, as many will. :y

Gordon Brown was on Jeremy Vines show yesterday, he pulled the copycat routine when a trucker from Southampton phoned in about his fixed interest 5 year mortgage.  GB did just what Mr Blair did and agrred to have a private word with the man after the show, to see what they could sort out. ::)


Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: Martin_1962 on 22 November 2008, 09:53:12
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Well if they do, then can I sue the government for making me sell the wife's volvo at a reduced price, and bu a smaller car at increased price. And all because of this tax.
At the end of the day there must be thousands of people in our situation.
Love to no if we have any legal recourse.

Vote accordingly, as many will. :y

Gordon Brown was on Jeremy Vines show yesterday, he pulled the copycat routine when a trucker from Southampton phoned in about his fixed interest 5 year mortgage.  GB did just what Mr Blair did and agrred to have a private word with the man after the show, to see what they could sort out. ::)




I can see my local town changing sides again - it went C to L at boundary changes and the local mp went sideways into a new one with half of his old one, L took over Worcester.

TBH our local mp does nothing but vote whatever he is told, ie pro ID cards ect >:(

Our next mp will be the son of a retired mp who was replaced by the first mentioned C mp. A bit blunt I think but I expect to see a swing back next election.

Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: STMO123 on 22 November 2008, 14:00:04
Middle earners will get no benefit from these "giveaways", but will be taxed to death to help to pay for them. I truly hope that this bunch of tossers get routed at the next election.
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 22 November 2008, 15:01:33
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Middle earners will get no benefit from thes "giveaways", but will be taxed to death to help to pay for them. I truly hope that this bunch of tossers get routed at the next election.


I am a Conservative and couldn't agree more with you, but I just wonder if David Cameron has the imagination and strength of character to pull this country around as we all want once GB and his monkeys have gone! ::) ::) ::)

I want to think so, but the mess we are in is extreme and from what David has said already, don't expect any massive miracles like tax cuts, as GB is borrowing at the rate of £2,000 per second to keep it all afloat.  The incomming party will have to work bloody hard to reverse that!! ::) ::) >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: Martin_1962 on 22 November 2008, 16:25:55
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Middle earners will get no benefit from thes "giveaways", but will be taxed to death to help to pay for them. I truly hope that this bunch of tossers get routed at the next election.


I am a Conservative and couldn't agree more with you, but I just wonder if David Cameron has the imagination and strength of character to pull this country around as we all want once GB and his monkeys have gone! ::) ::) ::)

I want to think so, but the mess we are in is extreme and from what David has said already, don't expect any massive miracles like tax cuts, as GB is borrowing at the rate of £2,000 per second to keep it all afloat.  The incomming party will have to work bloody hard to reverse that!! ::) ::) >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(


Member, supporter, or toilet user (don't ask :-[)
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: STMO123 on 22 November 2008, 17:52:15
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Middle earners will get no benefit from thes "giveaways", but will be taxed to death to help to pay for them. I truly hope that this bunch of tossers get routed at the next election.


I am a Conservative and couldn't agree more with you, but I just wonder if David Cameron has the imagination and strength of character to pull this country around as we all want once GB and his monkeys have gone! ::) ::) ::)

I want to think so, but the mess we are in is extreme and from what David has said already, don't expect any massive miracles like tax cuts, as GB is borrowing at the rate of £2,000 per second to keep it all afloat.  The incomming party will have to work bloody hard to reverse that!! ::) ::) >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(


Member, supporter, or toilet user (don't ask :-[)

I have to. What planet are you from exactly?
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 22 November 2008, 17:54:52
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Middle earners will get no benefit from thes "giveaways", but will be taxed to death to help to pay for them. I truly hope that this bunch of tossers get routed at the next election.


I am a Conservative and couldn't agree more with you, but I just wonder if David Cameron has the imagination and strength of character to pull this country around as we all want once GB and his monkeys have gone! ::) ::) ::)

I want to think so, but the mess we are in is extreme and from what David has said already, don't expect any massive miracles like tax cuts, as GB is borrowing at the rate of £2,000 per second to keep it all afloat.  The incomming party will have to work bloody hard to reverse that!! ::) ::) >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(


Member, supporter, or toilet user (don't ask :-[)

I have to. What planet are you from exactly?

Planet Earth, a Conservative supporter and proud of it!  Why?  Where are you from? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: Martin_1962 on 22 November 2008, 18:02:05
Some one I used to wor with lodged rather than buy or rent his own place, the last place I saw him at was a house owned by a Conservative MP and there was a cabinet photo (with Maggie) in the loo.
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 22 November 2008, 18:05:00
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Some one I used to wor with lodged rather than buy or rent his own place, the last place I saw him at was a house owned by a Conservative MP and there was a cabinet photo (with Maggie) in the loo.

Oh yes we are a loyal bunch!! ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: STMO123 on 22 November 2008, 18:45:02
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Middle earners will get no benefit from thes "giveaways", but will be taxed to death to help to pay for them. I truly hope that this bunch of tossers get routed at the next election.


I am a Conservative and couldn't agree more with you, but I just wonder if David Cameron has the imagination and strength of character to pull this country around as we all want once GB and his monkeys have gone! ::) ::) ::)

I want to think so, but the mess we are in is extreme and from what David has said already, don't expect any massive miracles like tax cuts, as GB is borrowing at the rate of £2,000 per second to keep it all afloat.  The incomming party will have to work bloody hard to reverse that!! ::) ::) >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(


Member, supporter, or toilet user (don't ask :-[)

I have to. What planet are you from exactly?

Planet Earth, a Conservative supporter and proud of it!  Why?  Where are you from? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

I think you'll find I was asking Martin, but that's never stopped a woman before.
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 22 November 2008, 18:47:58
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Middle earners will get no benefit from thes "giveaways", but will be taxed to death to help to pay for them. I truly hope that this bunch of tossers get routed at the next election.


I am a Conservative and couldn't agree more with you, but I just wonder if David Cameron has the imagination and strength of character to pull this country around as we all want once GB and his monkeys have gone! ::) ::) ::)

I want to think so, but the mess we are in is extreme and from what David has said already, don't expect any massive miracles like tax cuts, as GB is borrowing at the rate of £2,000 per second to keep it all afloat.  The incomming party will have to work bloody hard to reverse that!! ::) ::) >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(


Member, supporter, or toilet user (don't ask :-[)

I have to. What planet are you from exactly?

Planet Earth, a Conservative supporter and proud of it!  Why?  Where are you from? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

I think you'll find I was asking Martin, but that's never stopped a woman before.

You are so right STMO123!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)  Naturally we have to get involved and know all that's going on! :D ;)
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: tmx on 22 November 2008, 18:59:35
aye labour reign will hopefully be over! waste of time ****** *****

they dont even spend these so called "Eco Taxes" on climate change they just fund tax credits and help keep benefit cheats on the sofa with sky that we all pay
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: Dusty on 22 November 2008, 19:10:22
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Well if they do, then can I sue the government for making me sell the wife's volvo at a reduced price, and bu a smaller car at increased price. And all because of this tax.
At the end of the day there must be thousands of people in our situation.
Love to no if we have any legal recourse.

Great idea Manta.
Doubt that it will work though. ;D ;D ;D :-* :-*
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: albitz on 22 November 2008, 20:27:14
If things keep heading in the same direction i think Brown has a good chance of being re-elected.The lefty media (BBC/Sky news) are portraying him as A world statesman who is going to heal the global economy.And the British electorate are notoriously fickle and suffer from memory lapse.Brown may even funnel the money being borrowed towards marginal constituencies.
Meanwhile Cameron and  (more so)Osborne are increasingly looking like boys who want mens jobs.
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: STMO123 on 22 November 2008, 20:39:43
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If things keep heading in the same direction i think Brown has a good chance of being re-elected.The lefty media (BBC/Sky news) are portraying him as A world statesman who is going to heal the global economy.And the British electorate are notoriously fickle and suffer from memory lapse.Brown may even funnel the money being borrowed towards marginal constituencies.
Meanwhile Cameron and  (more so)Osborne are increasingly looking like boys who want mens jobs.

Personally, I, like most folk, think they're all a load of crooks. But, sadly, we tend to vote for the people we hate least rather than like most.
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: Vamps on 22 November 2008, 20:45:07
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If things keep heading in the same direction i think Brown has a good chance of being re-elected.The lefty media (BBC/Sky news) are portraying him as A world statesman who is going to heal the global economy.And the British electorate are notoriously fickle and suffer from memory lapse.Brown may even funnel the money being borrowed towards marginal constituencies.
Meanwhile Cameron and  (more so)Osborne are increasingly looking like boys who want mens jobs.

I have bee thinking that recently.... if he pulls an election early next year I would put money on Labour getting back in.. :-X
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: hotel21 on 22 November 2008, 20:49:03
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Personally, I, like most folk, think they're all a load of crooks. But, sadly, we tend to vote for the people we hate least rather than like most.
agreed...  or those whom we distrust the least.....

For me, GB is the strongest figurehead of the whole bunch..
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: markfree on 22 November 2008, 21:20:18
At least in Scotland there is a viable alternative to Tory/Labour and it's not the Lib/Dems - by the way the Tories are now dead ducks in Scotland and if DC (pity his middle name is not Ian) gets in at the next election he would gladly let Scotland become independent as there's no way back for the Tories.
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: STMO123 on 22 November 2008, 21:25:46
I find politics in general totally exasperating nowadays. Everything is a knee-jerk reaction to some outlandish human rights/racial equality/child protection etc. issue. When real politicians were in office it would take 56 memorandums and a vote in the house to decide on which size paper clip to use. :(
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: albitz on 22 November 2008, 21:27:13
presumably the alternative is the SNP, so a vote for them is a vote for Scottish indepenence anyway.
The Tories btw are the one party who believe resolutely in unionism,so I cant see them cutting Scotland loose,they may however alter the ludicrous situation whereby scottish MP,s vote in westminster on issues which affect England but dont apply in Scotland (uni fees/prescription charges etc), and no, I dont support the Tories,to left wing for me these days. ;)
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: hotel21 on 22 November 2008, 21:33:58
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presumably the alternative is the SNP, so a vote for them is a vote for Scottish indepenence anyway.
The Tories btw are the one party who believe resolutely in unionism,so I cant see them cutting Scotland loose,they may however alter the ludicrous situation whereby scottish MP,s vote in westminster on issues which affect England but dont apply in Scotland (uni fees/prescription charges etc), and no, I dont support the Tories,to left wing for me these days. ;)

Like evrything, that ball bounces both ways...

Maggie tested the water with poll tax/community charge by overnumbers of English MP's in Scotland before unleashing it on the rst of the UK...
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: STMO123 on 22 November 2008, 21:38:15
I, for one, would be sad if the United Kingdom was to be split up. I consider the Scots, the Welsh and the Irish to be part of the same country. We've been through enough together. When I was in the army (long ago) we were all in it together, none of this devolution nonsense.
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: albitz on 22 November 2008, 22:04:12
I also believe that the best option is fir the constituent parts of the U.K. to stick together,certainly much more than seems to be the case at the moment.I do believe though that the devolution experiment is a waste of time and that all 4 countries of the u.k. should be governed by one government at Westminster or be given full independence.
The situation we have at the moment imo just isnt right,the ball may have swung too far the other way in Thatchers time but it doesnt make it right to let it swing too far the other way in the future.
btw H21 the poll tax experiment didnt quite get rolled out across the U.K it never got to norn irn,she was brave but not that brave. ;D
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 22 November 2008, 22:12:44
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I also believe that the best option is fir the constituent parts of the U.K. to stick together,certainly much more than seems to be the case at the moment.I do believe though that the devolution experiment is a waste of time and that all 4 countries of the u.k. should be governed by one government at Westminster or be given full independence.
The situation we have at the moment imo just isnt right,the ball may have swung too far the other way in Thatchers time but it doesnt make it right to let it swing too far the other way in the future.
btw H21 the poll tax experiment didnt quite get rolled out across the U.K it never got to norn irn,she was brave but not that brave. ;D


It is no experiment Albitz. ;)  

It was brought in by Blair under severe pressure from Scotland and Wales to gain full political democratic representation for those countries, who had basically pushed out 'English' Conservative and Labour MPs of the Westminster Parliament after the percieved/actual destruction of their heavy industries which they blamed on Maggie T.  

The population of those countries had made it clear they wanted representation and Blair promised they would get it to gain votes for his 1997 Election win. ;)

Cannot yet see any sign that this constitutional arrangement will/can be ammended any time soon. :(
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: albitz on 22 November 2008, 22:26:31
In the bigger picture of the past and future of the U.K. it could be viewed as an experiment,and one which went badly wrong in my view,but whatever term is hung on it I believe it should either be reversed,or (a much less preferable option) Scotland Wales & N.I.should be given complete independence.
From my own personal viewpoint,some of the things which go on in N.I. politics these days are disgraceful. They have always had a fantastic education system and didnt follow most of the rest of the UK up the blind alley of abolition of grammer schools,but the republicans who now hold a lot of power at stormont are unreconstructed marxists and have this week finally succeeded in having the 11 plus abolished.
A couple of weeks ago there was a homecoming parade for soldiers returning from Iraq/Afghanistan in Belfast and Sinn Fein and their friends held demonstration parades against the homecoming parade.
Its the UK ffs, charge them with treason and carry on regardless.
 >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: Martin_1962 on 22 November 2008, 22:44:00
Grammmar schools - you have to pay for them now.

We are having a LOT of help, but why should we have to when the grammar system worked so well for clever children.
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: Martin_1962 on 22 November 2008, 22:45:12
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A couple of weeks ago there was a homecoming parade for soldiers returning from Iraq/Afghanistan in Belfastn and Sinn Fein and there friends held demonstration parades against the homecoming parade.
Its the UK ffs, charge them with treason and carry on regardless.
 >:( >:( >:(


Good excuse to put the boot into them - these soldiers put their life on the line and get shit like this thrown at them.
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: albitz on 22 November 2008, 22:48:51
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Grammmar schools - you have to pay for them now.

We are having a LOT of help, but why should we have to when the grammar system worked so well for clever children.
Dont think you have to pay for them in Essex,or if so its very recent. :-/
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: albitz on 22 November 2008, 22:50:07
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A couple of weeks ago there was a homecoming parade for soldiers returning from Iraq/Afghanistan in Belfastn and Sinn Fein and there friends held demonstration parades against the homecoming parade.
Its the UK ffs, charge them with treason and carry on regardless.
 >:( >:( >:(


Good excuse to put the boot into them - these soldiers put their life on the line and get shit like this thrown at them.
This is what comes with appeasement. :-X :-X......trouble is,the rest of the world sometimes seem to think we are all like that. :'(
Title: Re: VED increase cancelled ?
Post by: Martin_1962 on 23 November 2008, 19:25:29
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Grammmar schools - you have to pay for them now.

We are having a LOT of help, but why should we have to when the grammar system worked so well for clever children.
Dont think you have to pay for them in Essex,or if so its very recent. :-/

Do here - the secondary schools - one is a performing arts academy, another is a sink school, another too far, the nearest over subscribed, the one doing OK is Catholic, leaving a couple of fee paying Grammars