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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: JamesV6CDX on 26 November 2008, 18:31:12
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Officer sacked over remark in Police canteen:
http://www.policeoracle.com/news/1,000-Arrest-PC-Sacked_17742.html
Officer sacked for sending sinful email:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/7750329.stm
Walls definately have eyes and ears :-/
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Bit much this
1 joke remark nowhere near the public
BTW if he said it to the public - different matter - why did his collegue ask about the colour of the chap?
Did they get the right person?
If the person mentioned was from Africa - would not actually be racist - just stupid?
If Carribean - tosser
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you're in a position of responsibility - if your basic attitude is discriminatory then you're not treating members of the public fairly - totally agree they can't do the job on that basis - tough lesson, but a lesson learned I'm afraid :o
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you're in a position of responsibility - if your basic attitude is discriminatory then you're not treating members of the public fairly - totally agree they can't do the job on that basis - tough lesson, but a lesson learned I'm afraid :o
A bit simelar to the Cops being struck off for being on the the BNP list really.
With the first link, my personal view is that sacking was harsh, after such an impecable record.
If there was evidence that he was using extremist views in the way he dealt with people then fair enough, sack him...
But for making a private joke just with a colleage, for me doesn't evidence that the person involved really holds any discriminatory views - more just bad taste :-/
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you're in a position of responsibility - if your basic attitude is discriminatory then you're not treating members of the public fairly - totally agree they can't do the job on that basis - tough lesson, but a lesson learned I'm afraid :o
Totally agree :y.
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the met has been in the news lately with rascism claims from the asst commisioner i believe.300grand pay off havent they offered him. could be using him as a scape goat and made an example of him just to show they dont tolerate rascism.excellenmt case for race relations id say. we all joke about colour, race, disability,anything to make you laugh. it part of life
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you're in a position of responsibility - if your basic attitude is discriminatory then you're not treating members of the public fairly - totally agree they can't do the job on that basis - tough lesson, but a lesson learned I'm afraid :o
Totally agree :y.
So do I! :y :y :y
Any member of the Kent Police would get the same traetment, just as it should be in 2008. 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
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you're in a position of responsibility - if your basic attitude is discriminatory then you're not treating members of the public fairly - totally agree they can't do the job on that basis - tough lesson, but a lesson learned I'm afraid :o
Totally agree :y.
So do I! :y :y :y
Any member of the Kent Police would get the same traetment, just as it should be in 2008. 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
Does one, possibly misjudged, comment, give you a clear picture of one's "basic attitude"?
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Do Police Officers have to be saint's these days ? We have all, at some point, made ill thought out remarks -- they don't reflect our innermost attitudes or beliefs.
Be honest -- how many times have you sworn you hated someone -- does that now make you a hateful person --- have you ever uttered "I will kill you / her / him " -- I have I am sure -- does that make me a murderer.
Point out the error of their ways -- but this knee jerk reaction just to prove political correctness is way over the top !
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I think the first joke is nothing, a bit silly, but...... Let he/she who is without sin throw the first stone. Nobody is perfect, and I imagine life in the police force is very stressful, so the occasional reaction to stress is to be expected. What did the person being detained do during arrest?.
The Police can't be perfect all the time, yet some people try and force them to be. The net result will be to influence police actions, eg a problem in a coloured area, so should a white police person go in, and risk offending somebody by offending their "rights", often I suspect invented for convenience. Now lets see, it is a Scottish custom to wear the Skian Dhu, tucked into their sock. So I can walk around with one, and not be done for carrying a dangerous weapon ?.
I think the net effect will be to demoralise the Police force, and who ever made this judgement should be sacked immediately.
Ken
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I think the first joke is nothing, a bit silly, but...... Let he/she who is without sin throw the first stone. Nobody is perfect, and I imagine life in the police force is very stressful, so the occasional reaction to stress is to be expected. What did the person being detained do during arrest?.
The Police can't be perfect all the time, yet some people try and force them to be. The net result will be to influence police actions, eg a problem in a coloured area, so should a white police person go in, and risk offending somebody by offending their "rights", often I suspect invented for convenience. Now lets see, it is a Scottish custom to wear the Skian Dhu, tucked into their sock. So I can walk around with one, and not be done for carrying a dangerous weapon ?.
I think the net effect will be to demoralise the Police force, and who ever made this judgement should be sacked immediately.
Ken
Agreed. :-X
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I think the first joke is nothing, a bit silly, but...... Let he/she who is without sin throw the first stone. Nobody is perfect, and I imagine life in the police force is very stressful, so the occasional reaction to stress is to be expected. What did the person being detained do during arrest?.
The Police can't be perfect all the time, yet some people try and force them to be. The net result will be to influence police actions, eg a problem in a coloured area, so should a white police person go in, and risk offending somebody by offending their "rights", often I suspect invented for convenience. Now lets see, it is a Scottish custom to wear the Skian Dhu, tucked into their sock. So I can walk around with one, and not be done for carrying a dangerous weapon ?.
I think the net effect will be to demoralise the Police force, and who ever made this judgement should be sacked immediately.
Ken
Agreed. :-X
Thank goodness someone else sees it that way. I think HC sums it up well :y
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Now lets see, it is a Scottish custom to wear the Skian Dhu, tucked into their sock. So I can walk around with one, and not be done for carrying a dangerous weapon.
Ken
Well a Sikh can carry a Kirpan for religious and ceremonial purposes in public, so I don't see how your case is any different:
http://www.warwickshire.police.uk/Diversity/Policingourcommunities/Sikhs
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Now lets see, it is a Scottish custom to wear the Skian Dhu, tucked into their sock. So I can walk around with one, and not be done for carrying a dangerous weapon.
Ken
Well a Sikh can carry a Kirpan for religious and ceremonial purposes in public, so I don't see how your case is any different:
http://www.warwickshire.police.uk/Diversity/Policingourcommunities/Sikhs
And an ashtray thats normally used by a smoker can be a blunt instrument or an offensive weapon, depending on how its used? As could Florence Nightingales candlestick if its used as a club to split a skull??
Keep things in context to retain their worth and integrity.... :y
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Now lets see, it is a Scottish custom to wear the Skian Dhu, tucked into their sock. So I can walk around with one, and not be done for carrying a dangerous weapon.
Ken
Well a Sikh can carry a Kirpan for religious and ceremonial purposes in public, so I don't see how your case is any different:
http://www.warwickshire.police.uk/Diversity/Policingourcommunities/Sikhs
And an ashtray thats normally used by a smoker can be a blunt instrument or an offensive weapon, depending on how its used? As could Florence Nightingales candlestick if its used as a club to split a skull??
Keep things in context to retain their worth and integrity.... :y
Agreed - I guess the same could be said for many things - sports players carrying baseball bats, fishermen carrying knives for fishing tackle... etc.... most are capable of being carried for an innocent purpose - it's when they're misused that problems arise.
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With regard to the 2nd link.this man is an evangelical christian,and as such believes that homosexuality is morally wrong.
This was the norm amongst christian religions until perhaps 20 years when a debate started which stil hasnt (and probably never will) achieved a consensus.
Afaik ,the muslim religion not only views homosexuality as an abomination,but believes that they should be put to death.So to follow the logic of this dismissal surely Muslims should be barred from joining the police service in the U.K. :question ::) ::)
That is without even starting on thier attitude to women.
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Why does something someone says in jest outside a work scenario necessarily reflect their own views, and why should those views necessarily affect their ability to do their jobs?
I'm not in the police, but some of the things I say when under an Omega and things don't go right wouldn't be entirely acceptable in front of a customer. The fact is, I know what's required of me at work.
Why should it be any different in the Police? Why shouldn't they be judged on their performance on the job not in the tea room?
Kevin
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rascism or a joke??
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=D1W-HnMQUgk&feature=related
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Do Police Officers have to be saint's these days ? We have all, at some point, made ill thought out remarks -- they don't reflect our innermost attitudes or beliefs.
Be honest -- how many times have you sworn you hated someone -- does that now make you a hateful person --- have you ever uttered "I will kill you / her / him " -- I have I am sure -- does that make me a murderer.
Point out the error of their ways -- but this knee jerk reaction just to prove political correctness is way over the top !
Well put :y