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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Welung666 on 29 November 2008, 15:22:55
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As I still haven't got to the bottom of it I thought I'd ask you lot ;)
The main pc I use died on me about 10 days ago. On a reboot just stayed a blank screen. Tried disconnecting 1 thing at a time but still nothing, ended up down to main hard drive and dvd r/w drive and still blank screen, not even as far as memory check. So reset cmos and it came up, went into bios and reset the date etc. saved and exited and back to blank screen. Reset cmos, pressed F1 to ignore smos settings, halfway booted into vista and BSOD! Reset cmos again and booted to vista dvd, into repar console and did chkdsk c: /r let it run but still doing the same thing...
Fitted new stick of ram, no difference. New motherboard, no difference. New hard drive, no difference. Only thing left is processor and I can't see that causing it! Any opinions?
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does it have on board graphics card?
if it is a separate card that could be the problem or even the PSU
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1 does it have on board graphics card?
2 if it is a separate card that could be the problem or even the PSU
yep..an on board graphics card and a seperate one together can cause the problem..try connecting the monitor to both vga outlets to see if any have signal..and if still nothing take the vga card out..
secondly you say you tried a new motherboard and still no difference that means also it can be PSU..
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Try changing/testing the little button sized battery on the motherboard - if it's dead replace it.
Sorry - forget it if you've changed motherboard
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Original board was a Foxconn Winfast 6150K8MA with onboard graphics but never used them, have a 512 NVidea card in PCI+E. New board is a LanParty gaming board no onboard graphics, using my original nvidea card. RAM is a single 1gb DDR also tried 2 x 512 sticks no difference. Processor is an Athalon 64 3600+ PSU was new 3 months ago but haven't tried replacing that yet
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Try changing/testing the little button sized battery on the motherboard - if it's dead replace it.
Brand new board
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PSU is still at the top of the bathtub curve for failure over time then
(http://www.itl.nist.gov/div898/handbook/apr/section1/gifs/bathtub2.gif)
http://www.itl.nist.gov/div898/handbook/apr/section1/apr124.htm
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I'll have to have a dig and see if I have another PSU to try. Problem is it needs to be high powered PSU as I run quite a few hard drives.
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I'll have to have a dig and see if I have another PSU to try. Problem is it needs to be high powered PSU as I run quite a few hard drives.
try a simple configuration.. 1 hard drive 1 memory stick no dvd
and check the extra cables and mobo chasis mountings..
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and dont connect the reset switch!
and you said you connected some number of hard disks..
may be this caused the failure of psu..
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If you are now using a LAN Party gaming board they usually have switches built onto the board for easy running outside of the case if you ever want to test it.
Must admit I would be leaning towards PSU on this. If it gets half way to Windows the graphics card is working. Disconnect all drives except the HDD with Vista on it and try again. Have you connected all the extra plugs from the PSU to the motherboard? My LAN Party board had a 4way Molex and a 3 way Molex connected to the board apart from all the usual ones. Think this was because they hadn't used the standard SLI power connectors at the time but not certain.
Getting half way into Vista could also be a driver problem, you say you changed the board but if it hasn't worked since all the drivers will be wrong. Changing the board will also mean you need to reinstall/re-activate Vista as well.
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If you are now using a LAN Party gaming board they usually have switches built onto the board for easy running outside of the case if you ever want to test it.
Must admit I would be leaning towards PSU on this. If it gets half way to Windows the graphics card is working. Disconnect all drives except the HDD with Vista on it and try again. Have you connected all the extra plugs from the PSU to the motherboard? My LAN Party board had a 4way Molex and a 3 way Molex connected to the board apart from all the usual ones. Think this was because they hadn't used the standard SLI power connectors at the time but not certain.
Getting half way into Vista could also be a driver problem, you say you changed the board but if it hasn't worked since all the drivers will be wrong. Changing the board will also mean you need to reinstall/re-activate Vista as well
Dont you mean changing the hard-drive will mean re-installing Vista (if there's no o/s already on there)
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No. If you have gone to a different motherboard you will need to reload/re-activate Vista. Usually it will start up but say you have 3 days to activate. If you replace the motherboard with an identical model you will be okay.
The BIOS and a few other parts are used to produce a hash key that is then used to make sure you are not cheating with licenses. If worst comes to worst you can choose to activate over the telephone and get it sorted.
All this is presuming you are using an OEM copy of course.
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As I still haven't got to the bottom of it I thought I'd ask you lot ;)
The main pc I use died on me about 10 days ago. On a reboot just stayed a blank screen. Tried disconnecting 1 thing at a time but still nothing, ended up down to main hard drive and dvd r/w drive and still blank screen, not even as far as memory check. So reset cmos and it came up, went into bios and reset the date etc. saved and exited and back to blank screen. Reset cmos, pressed F1 to ignore smos settings, halfway booted into vista and BSOD! Reset cmos again and booted to vista dvd, into repar console and did chkdsk c: /r let it run but still doing the same thing...
Fitted new stick of ram, no difference. New motherboard, no difference. New hard drive, no difference. Only thing left is processor and I can't see that causing it! Any opinions?
I suggest you stop whatever it is you are doing and concentrate very hard on diagnosing the problem.
1. the PC died about 10 days ago
2. you reset BIOS and now get the BSoD
3. No matter what you do or have done since:
a. you still get the BSoD
b. symptoms are now different
4. if you have ended up with 3.a the reboot to Vista Safe Mode
http://www.computerhope.com/issues/chsafe.htm#03
5. if you have ended up with 3.b please explain exactly what you get once you power up.
:y
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As I still haven't got to the bottom of it I thought I'd ask you lot ;)
The main pc I use died on me about 10 days ago. On a reboot just stayed a blank screen. Tried disconnecting 1 thing at a time but still nothing, ended up down to main hard drive and dvd r/w drive and still blank screen, not even as far as memory check. So reset cmos and it came up, went into bios and reset the date etc. saved and exited and back to blank screen. Reset cmos, pressed F1 to ignore smos settings, halfway booted into vista and BSOD! Reset cmos again and booted to vista dvd, into repar console and did chkdsk c: /r let it run but still doing the same thing...
Fitted new stick of ram, no difference. New motherboard, no difference. New hard drive, no difference. Only thing left is processor and I can't see that causing it! Any opinions?
is the screen switched on ;D ;D
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As I still haven't got to the bottom of it I thought I'd ask you lot ;)
The main pc I use died on me about 10 days ago. On a reboot just stayed a blank screen. Tried disconnecting 1 thing at a time but still nothing, ended up down to main hard drive and dvd r/w drive and still blank screen, not even as far as memory check. So reset cmos and it came up, went into bios and reset the date etc. saved and exited and back to blank screen. Reset cmos, pressed F1 to ignore smos settings, halfway booted into vista and BSOD! Reset cmos again and booted to vista dvd, into repar console and did chkdsk c: /r let it run but still doing the same thing...
Fitted new stick of ram, no difference. New motherboard, no difference. New hard drive, no difference. Only thing left is processor and I can't see that causing it! Any opinions?
I suggest you stop whatever it is you are doing and concentrate very hard on diagnosing the problem.
1. the PC died about 10 days ago
2. you reset BIOS and now get the BSoD
3. No matter what you do or have done since:
a. you still get the BSoD
b. symptoms are now different
4. if you have ended up with 3.a the reboot to Vista Safe Mode
http://www.computerhope.com/issues/chsafe.htm#03
5. if you have ended up with 3.b please explain exactly what you get once you power up.
:y
He mentioned blank screen not BSoD. 2 different things and causes.
When changeing dto new Motherboard sid you use new cables?
Asus boards I know are funny in some cases and have the same issues with odd other brands.
Do you have a speaker connecyed and are there any beeps.
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Right clear a few things up...
The BSOD was caused by my USB card and it's drivers. Now removed and no more BSOD.
Both motherboards are acting the same way (the LAN Party is new), once powered up they will boot up normally on a fresh vista on the SATA drive (only that and dvd r/w attached) although the date is set to Jan 06. If I reboot, shut down and start back up or on first boot enter BIOS to change time/date etc. then save and exit thats all it will do. It will just stop there, blank screen. HTH :y
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Right clear a few things up...
The BSOD was caused by my USB card and it's drivers. Now removed and no more BSOD.
Both motherboards are acting the same way (the LAN Party is new), once powered up they will boot up normally on a fresh vista on the SATA drive (only that and dvd r/w attached) although the date is set to Jan 06. If I reboot, shut down and start back up or on first boot enter BIOS to change time/date etc. then save and exit thats all it will do. It will just stop there, blank screen. HTH :y
do you have a spare vga card ..my estimation is something is colliding between vga and mobo..
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and here is another trial, change the disk (can be empty also or no op .system) and try to boot from cd-dvd
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Right clear a few things up...
The BSOD was caused by my USB card and it's drivers. Now removed and no more BSOD.
Both motherboards are acting the same way (the LAN Party is new), once powered up they will boot up normally on a fresh vista on the SATA drive (only that and dvd r/w attached) although the date is set to Jan 06. If I reboot, shut down and start back up or on first boot enter BIOS to change time/date etc. then save and exit thats all it will do. It will just stop there, blank screen. HTH :y
do you have a spare vga card ..my estimation is something is colliding between vga and mobo..
No spare VGA card. can't afford another one either :(
and here is another trial, change the disk (can be empty also or no op .system) and try to boot from cd-dvd
The HD is new, Hitachi 250gb SATA. Reset CMOS and it booted fine from Vista DVD and setup until it restarts during setup. Then it just sits there blank screen again. I powered it down, reset CMOS, restarted and setup continued! I'm using the fresh install now but I still have to reset CMOS every time I want it to start or restart.
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As I still haven't got to the bottom of it I thought I'd ask you lot ;)
The main pc I use died on me about 10 days ago. On a reboot just stayed a blank screen. Tried disconnecting 1 thing at a time but still nothing, ended up down to main hard drive and dvd r/w drive and still blank screen, not even as far as memory check. So reset cmos and it came up, went into bios and reset the date etc. saved and exited and back to blank screen. Reset cmos, pressed F1 to ignore smos settings, halfway booted into vista and BSOD! Reset cmos again and booted to vista dvd, into repar console and did chkdsk c: /r let it run but still doing the same thing...
Fitted new stick of ram, no difference. New motherboard, no difference. New hard drive, no difference. Only thing left is processor and I can't see that causing it! Any opinions?
I suggest you stop whatever it is you are doing and concentrate very hard on diagnosing the problem.
1. the PC died about 10 days ago
2. you reset BIOS and now get the BSoD
3. No matter what you do or have done since:
a. you still get the BSoD
b. symptoms are now different
4. if you have ended up with 3.a the reboot to Vista Safe Mode
http://www.computerhope.com/issues/chsafe.htm#03
5. if you have ended up with 3.b please explain exactly what you get once you power up.
:y
He mentioned blank screen not BSoD. 2 different things and causes.
When changeing dto new Motherboard sid you use new cables?
Asus boards I know are funny in some cases and have the same issues with odd other brands.
Do you have a speaker connecyed and are there any beeps.
ER, excuse me. Read the very first posting where he describes 'the blank screen' followed by resetting the BIOS and then getting BSoD which implies the screen is on and works, irrespective of driver. But hey, what do I know. :-X
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I got what you meant GWA :y BSOD sorted, took 1 PCI card out at a time till it stopped, damn usb 2.0 card ;D Still got the blank screen thing tho :(
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Right clear a few things up...
The BSOD was caused by my USB card and it's drivers. Now removed and no more BSOD.
Both motherboards are acting the same way (the LAN Party is new), once powered up they will boot up normally on a fresh vista on the SATA drive (only that and dvd r/w attached) although the date is set to Jan 06. If I reboot, shut down and start back up or on first boot enter BIOS to change time/date etc. then save and exit thats all it will do. It will just stop there, blank screen. HTH :y
do you have a spare vga card ..my estimation is something is colliding between vga and mobo..
No spare VGA card. can't afford another one either :(
and here is another trial, change the disk (can be empty also or no op .system) and try to boot from cd-dvd
The HD is new, Hitachi 250gb SATA. Reset CMOS and it booted fine from Vista DVD and setup until it restarts during setup. Then it just sits there blank screen again. I powered it down, reset CMOS, restarted and setup continued! I'm using the fresh install now but I still have to reset CMOS every time I want it to start or restart.
either the cmos cant keep the parameters or the disk developed a problem itself..and a compatibility issue arise..
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microsoft site tells mostly disk problems for this kind of problem.. :-/
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I wouldn't get the exact same symptoms from 2 different drives would I? Original drive is an 80gb IDE (small drive as it only runs Vista) so I'm almost convinced it's not that!
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during boot if boot sectors or ntldr or partition table cant be read this error occurs..
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ok then ..
now the problem become more complicated..
one component in your system likely VGA card causes disk
malfunction ..may be effecting sata controller..
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yep.. when I google, it shows boot problems with nvidia some models cause that..dont know why..
also when I installed mine caused me headache..one on board and one external vga ..I struggled for some time to boot..
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I think your a little too far ahead Cem. It doesn't even make it to the POST screen i.e. not as far as BIOS on a restart unless I clear the CMOS.
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I think your a little too far ahead Cem. It doesn't even make it to the POST screen i.e. not as far as BIOS on a restart unless I clear the CMOS.
dont you have any old vga card or your neighbours/ friends..
I think you need to try that.. :-/
as its morning cant think of a better way..
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Sounds like your bios is corrupted - try re-flashing your bios - dont know how? - google "reflashing bios" - it could also be a dud battery although unlikely if you've swapped boards - you're bios chip could also need replacing - there is definitely something wrong with your bios if you need to keep changing the date/time.
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Sounds like your bios is corrupted - try re-flashing your bios - dont know how? - google "reflashing bios" - it could also be a dud battery although unlikely if you've swapped boards - you're bios chip could also need replacing - there is definitely something wrong with your bios if you need to keep changing the date/time.
I don't have to keep changing the date and time! Brand spanking new motherboard - battery = new, BIOS = latest version. It would be amazing that I could get the exact same symptoms on 2 completely different motherboards/ram modules/hard drives.
Anyway tried another psu, no difference so looks like graphics card then. Still baffled as to how that will affect anything prior to BIOS loading up tho!
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I got what you meant GWA :y BSOD sorted, took 1 PCI card out at a time till it stopped, damn usb 2.0 card ;D Still got the blank screen thing tho :(
OK. Back to basics!
1. Remove any video card that you've plugged in
2. enter BIOS if enabled, disable 'On-Board' video
3. power on and start in Safe Mode if possible
4. if not enter BIOS and enable 'On-Board' video if disabled
5. power on and start in Safe Mode if possible
6. whilst in Safe Mode enter Device Manager and look for conflicts
After the above you should at least be in a better diagnostic position.
Did you ever install software for the monitor, sometimes they come with a CD. If you did and you can get to Safe Mode, try uninstalling it.
It really is a process of elimination.
And as a final, have you tried another monitor if you are having problems? I had allsorts a few months ago and it turned out to be the Xerox monitor (made in China) that I bought from PC World.
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I got what you meant GWA :y BSOD sorted, took 1 PCI card out at a time till it stopped, damn usb 2.0 card ;D Still got the blank screen thing tho :(
OK. Back to basics!
1. Remove any video card that you've plugged in
2. enter BIOS if enabled, disable 'On-Board' video
3. power on and start in Safe Mode if possible
4. if not enter BIOS and enable 'On-Board' video if disabled
5. power on and start in Safe Mode if possible
6. whilst in Safe Mode enter Device Manager and look for conflicts
After the above you should at least be in a better diagnostic position.
Did you ever install software for the monitor, sometimes they come with a CD. If you did and you can get to Safe Mode, try uninstalling it.
It really is a process of elimination.
And as a final, have you tried another monitor if you are having problems? I had allsorts a few months ago and it turned out to be the Xerox monitor (made in China) that I bought from PC World.
Back to basics indeed! If I reset the CMOS and enter bios, then save it the pc will go to restart and stay blank screen PRE-POST! The only way of getting any further is to reset the CMOS again. Also no on-board graphics on this motherboard.
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I got what you meant GWA :y BSOD sorted, took 1 PCI card out at a time till it stopped, damn usb 2.0 card ;D Still got the blank screen thing tho :(
OK. Back to basics!
1. Remove any video card that you've plugged in
2. enter BIOS if enabled, disable 'On-Board' video
3. power on and start in Safe Mode if possible
4. if not enter BIOS and enable 'On-Board' video if disabled
5. power on and start in Safe Mode if possible
6. whilst in Safe Mode enter Device Manager and look for conflicts
After the above you should at least be in a better diagnostic position.
Did you ever install software for the monitor, sometimes they come with a CD. If you did and you can get to Safe Mode, try uninstalling it.
It really is a process of elimination.
And as a final, have you tried another monitor if you are having problems? I had allsorts a few months ago and it turned out to be the Xerox monitor (made in China) that I bought from PC World.
Back to basics indeed! If I reset the CMOS and enter bios, then save it the pc will go to restart and stay blank screen PRE-POST! The only way of getting any further is to reset the CMOS again. Also no on-board graphics on this motherboard.
Can you try another monitor to eliminate? borrow one from a friend or close OOF member?
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I have 3 monitors on my desk :y tried all 3 with the same results. Still don't see how that will affect pre-post problem tho. Like I said the PC is running fine (using it now!) it's just if I re-start!
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Well f*!k it! It can stay like this! It's running with the SATA drive sitting on the floor and an un-activated version of Vista on it. Next payday I'll see about replacing the bits I haven't so far! Piece of cr@p >:( >:( >:(
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Sounds like your bios is corrupted - try re-flashing your bios - dont know how? - google "reflashing bios" - it could also be a dud battery although unlikely if you've swapped boards - you're bios chip could also need replacing - there is definitely something wrong with your bios if you need to keep changing the date/time.
I don't have to keep changing the date and time! Brand spanking new motherboard - battery = new, BIOS = latest version. It would be amazing that I could get the exact same symptoms on 2 completely different motherboards/ram modules/hard drives.
Anyway tried another psu, no difference so looks like graphics card then. Still baffled as to how that will affect anything prior to BIOS loading up tho!
afraid so.. :-/
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I got what you meant GWA :y BSOD sorted, took 1 PCI card out at a time till it stopped, damn usb 2.0 card ;D Still got the blank screen thing tho :(
OK. Back to basics!
1. Remove any video card that you've plugged in
2. enter BIOS if enabled, disable 'On-Board' video
3. power on and start in Safe Mode if possible
4. if not enter BIOS and enable 'On-Board' video if disabled
5. power on and start in Safe Mode if possible
6. whilst in Safe Mode enter Device Manager and look for conflicts
After the above you should at least be in a better diagnostic position.
Did you ever install software for the monitor, sometimes they come with a CD. If you did and you can get to Safe Mode, try uninstalling it.
It really is a process of elimination.
And as a final, have you tried another monitor if you are having problems? I had allsorts a few months ago and it turned out to be the Xerox monitor (made in China) that I bought from PC World.
new mobo no on board graphics card..
have you ever used parachute ;D sorry just joking :y
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I got what you meant GWA :y BSOD sorted, took 1 PCI card out at a time till it stopped, damn usb 2.0 card ;D Still got the blank screen thing tho :(
OK. Back to basics!
1. Remove any video card that you've plugged in
2. enter BIOS if enabled, disable 'On-Board' video
3. power on and start in Safe Mode if possible
4. if not enter BIOS and enable 'On-Board' video if disabled
5. power on and start in Safe Mode if possible
6. whilst in Safe Mode enter Device Manager and look for conflicts
After the above you should at least be in a better diagnostic position.
Did you ever install software for the monitor, sometimes they come with a CD. If you did and you can get to Safe Mode, try uninstalling it.
It really is a process of elimination.
And as a final, have you tried another monitor if you are having problems? I had allsorts a few months ago and it turned out to be the Xerox monitor (made in China) that I bought from PC World.
new mobo no on board graphics card..
have you ever used parachute ;D sorry just joking :y
Thats OK. Its just that I'm old and they used call them video before graphics was invented ;D ;D ;D
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I got what you meant GWA :y BSOD sorted, took 1 PCI card out at a time till it stopped, damn usb 2.0 card ;D Still got the blank screen thing tho :(
OK. Back to basics!
1. Remove any video card that you've plugged in
2. enter BIOS if enabled, disable 'On-Board' video
3. power on and start in Safe Mode if possible
4. if not enter BIOS and enable 'On-Board' video if disabled
5. power on and start in Safe Mode if possible
6. whilst in Safe Mode enter Device Manager and look for conflicts
After the above you should at least be in a better diagnostic position.
Did you ever install software for the monitor, sometimes they come with a CD. If you did and you can get to Safe Mode, try uninstalling it.
It really is a process of elimination.
And as a final, have you tried another monitor if you are having problems? I had allsorts a few months ago and it turned out to be the Xerox monitor (made in China) that I bought from PC World.
new mobo no on board graphics card..
have you ever used parachute ;D sorry just joking :y
Thats OK. Its just that I'm old and they used call them video before graphics was invented ;D ;D ;D
old fellas always welcome :y :y
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I have 3 monitors on my desk :y tried all 3 with the same results. Still don't see how that will affect pre-post problem tho. Like I said the PC is running fine (using it now!) it's just if I re-start!
Just had a thought, is that warm reboot or an old fashioned switch off and on again? Check the manufacturers website for BIOS or Firmware upgrades.
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I have 3 monitors on my desk :y tried all 3 with the same results. Still don't see how that will affect pre-post problem tho. Like I said the PC is running fine (using it now!) it's just if I re-start!
Just had a thought, is that warm reboot or an old fashioned switch off and on again? Check the manufacturers website for BIOS or Firmware upgrades.
Same result on both, checked BIOS version installed with manuf. website and current version.