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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: mantagte on 30 November 2008, 16:28:16
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my respect for police is dwindling
watch the video as well
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they dont even do that to mp,s :-[
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thats unacceptable >:(
unfortunately my police worse than that :( :(
killed one man in a similiar arrest >:( >:( >:(
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/tm_headline=brute-force-three-police-officers-beat-up-handcuffed-iraq-war-veteran%26method=full%26objectid=20934568%26siteid=115875-name_page.html >:( >:( >:( >:(
my respect for police is dwindling
watch the video as well
thats the way its getting i think
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Don't tar all police with the same brush. Yes, it would seem these three were over zealous, to say the least, and should be duly dealt with --- but I bet they don't get the same treatment as those officers dismissed for "unPC attitudes".
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/tm_headline=brute-force-three-police-officers-beat-up-handcuffed-iraq-war-veteran%26method=full%26objectid=20934568%26siteid=115875-name_page.html >:( >:( >:( >:(
my respect for police is dwindling
watch the video as well
Yes I saw this last night, but although the newscaster was stating that the policeman punched the man " eight times in the head" if you look closely the officer is actually punching the man on the shoulder/upper arm.
This is a recognised police procedure to quell a violent individual when on the ground to stop them resisting arrest and hopefully reduce the chance of an officer, or member of the public, getting hurt.
The film shows a drunken individual, with no obvious sign of the discipline of an military man, shouting insults to the police, who then chased after him. :y :y
What do we expect from our front line police; just let individuals cause a public disturbance and shout insulting remarks whilst drunk and disorderly without action being taken? So often the public are moaning the police do not do enough to stop such behaviour! ::) ::) ::)
No, as far as the officers were concerned he was a foul mouthed individual out to cause trouble. and he was fairly delt with in my book. 8-) 8-) 8-) :y
My son was in the British Army for 5 years and believe me my ultra fit eldest son once had to drag him away from a similiar situation when you would hardly have quessed he was meant to be a highly trained, disciplined soldier. ::) ::) ::) ::)
I am also well aware of what happens in Aldershot when the Para's are in town. The police have to be firm handed when dealing with these strong individuals (who are trained to kill as my son was!) as they did in the instance filmed. 8-) 8-) 8-)
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Why don't they teach the Police basic self defense technique?. I went to Ki-Aikido for several years and its quite easy to control someone without having to beat the crap out of him. :-[
Ken
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/tm_headline=brute-force-three-police-officers-beat-up-handcuffed-iraq-war-veteran%26method=full%26objectid=20934568%26siteid=115875-name_page.html >:( >:( >:( >:(
my respect for police is dwindling
watch the video as well
Yes I saw this last night, but although the newscaster was stating that the policeman punched the man " eight times in the head" if you look closely the officer is actually punching the man on the shoulder/upper arm.
This is a recognised police procedure to quell a violent individual when on the ground to stop them resisting arrest and hopefully reduce the chance of an officer, or member of the public, getting hurt.
The film shows a drunken individual, with no obvious sign of the discipline of an military man, shouting insults to the police, who then chased after him. :y :y
What do we expect from our front line police; just let individuals cause a public disturbance and shout insulting remarks whilst drunk and disorderly without action being taken? So often the public are moaning the police do not do enough to stop such behaviour! ::) ::) ::)
No, as far as the officers were concerned he was a foul mouthed individual out to cause trouble. and he was fairly delt with in my book. 8-) 8-) 8-) :y
My son was in the British Army for 5 years and believe me my ultra fit eldest son once had to drag him away from a similiar situation when you would hardly have quessed he was meant to be a highly trained, disciplined soldier. ::) ::) ::) ::)
I am also well aware of what happens in Aldershot when the Para's are in town. The police have to be firm handed when dealing with these strong individuals (who are trained to kill as my son was!) as they did in the instance filmed. 8-) 8-) 8-)
'dangle berries's >:( i wish i'd been in one of those cars driving by i would have got out and helped that poor man who was defensless on the floor
rather plastic pigs get on my nerves to say the slightest >:( >:( >:( >:(
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i cant believe i didnt know about this
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The big slob copper could do with someone twice his weight sitting on him, smacking his head on the ground and then punching him 8 times. Nasty tinker!!
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special constable. His future doesn't look bright does it . Hes made the Police force look like thugs and himself look a bully
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/tm_headline=brute-force-three-police-officers-beat-up-handcuffed-iraq-war-veteran%26method=full%26objectid=20934568%26siteid=115875-name_page.html >:( >:( >:( >:(
my respect for police is dwindling
watch the video as well
Yes I saw this last night, but although the newscaster was stating that the policeman punched the man " eight times in the head" if you look closely the officer is actually punching the man on the shoulder/upper arm.
This is a recognised police procedure to quell a violent individual when on the ground to stop them resisting arrest and hopefully reduce the chance of an officer, or member of the public, getting hurt.
The film shows a drunken individual, with no obvious sign of the discipline of an military man, shouting insults to the police, who then chased after him. :y :y
What do we expect from our front line police; just let individuals cause a public disturbance and shout insulting remarks whilst drunk and disorderly without action being taken? So often the public are moaning the police do not do enough to stop such behaviour! ::) ::) ::)
No, as far as the officers were concerned he was a foul mouthed individual out to cause trouble. and he was fairly delt with in my book. 8-) 8-) 8-) :y
My son was in the British Army for 5 years and believe me my ultra fit eldest son once had to drag him away from a similiar situation when you would hardly have quessed he was meant to be a highly trained, disciplined soldier. ::) ::) ::) ::)
I am also well aware of what happens in Aldershot when the Para's are in town. The police have to be firm handed when dealing with these strong individuals (who are trained to kill as my son was!) as they did in the instance filmed. 8-) 8-) 8-)
'dangle berries's >:( i wish i'd been in one of those cars driving by i would have got out and helped that poor man who was defensless on the floor
rather plastic pigs get on my nerves to say the slightest >:( >:( >:( >:(
OK!! You don't agree with my comments; fine!! But you do not have to be so offensive!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/tm_headline=brute-force-three-police-officers-beat-up-handcuffed-iraq-war-veteran%26method=full%26objectid=20934568%26siteid=115875-name_page.html >:( >:( >:( >:(
my respect for police is dwindling
watch the video as well
Yes I saw this last night, but although the newscaster was stating that the policeman punched the man " eight times in the head" if you look closely the officer is actually punching the man on the shoulder/upper arm.
This is a recognised police procedure to quell a violent individual when on the ground to stop them resisting arrest and hopefully reduce the chance of an officer, or member of the public, getting hurt.
The film shows a drunken individual, with no obvious sign of the discipline of an military man, shouting insults to the police, who then chased after him. :y :y
What do we expect from our front line police; just let individuals cause a public disturbance and shout insulting remarks whilst drunk and disorderly without action being taken? So often the public are moaning the police do not do enough to stop such behaviour! ::) ::) ::)
No, as far as the officers were concerned he was a foul mouthed individual out to cause trouble. and he was fairly delt with in my book. 8-) 8-) 8-) :y
My son was in the British Army for 5 years and believe me my ultra fit eldest son once had to drag him away from a similiar situation when you would hardly have quessed he was meant to be a highly trained, disciplined soldier. ::) ::) ::) ::)
I am also well aware of what happens in Aldershot when the Para's are in town. The police have to be firm handed when dealing with these strong individuals (who are trained to kill as my son was!) as they did in the instance filmed. 8-) 8-) 8-)
'dangle berries's >:( i wish i'd been in one of those cars driving by i would have got out and helped that poor man who was defensless on the floor
rather plastic pigs get on my nerves to say the slightest >:( >:( >:( >:(
OK!! You don't agree with my comments; fine!! But you do not have to be so offensive!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Agreed !
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police stations open part time pretend policemen not being funny some of them look daft and almost funny in my veiw, pity they didnt get the brave,trained soldier a lift to were ever he wanted to go even stop to get him a kabab. what goes around comes around and mabe ill get the chance to watch the video of those law enforcers taking a beasting :o
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what irritates me even more is that this is where i live, am i supposed to call upon these pr*cks when i need help with anything??
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Police stations open part time pretend policemen
rather plastic pigs get on my nerves to say the slightest >:( >:( >:( >:(
Well, I don't mind admitting that I am a Special Constable with my local Force.
I joined because I want to actually bring something positive to my community (rather than sit back and moan about all the problems), and because it is also good for my own personal development.
I'm not at all offended by the comments about plastic pigs, etc - it's part of the job, which requires resilience. I do however, think these comments are a little narrow minded on your part, and definately verging on offensive.
How much do you actually know about the Special Constabulary?
Specials are fully trained and warranted Police Officers, sworn into the Office of Constable, who adhere to the same code of conduct, and have the same powers and responsibilities as a regular, Full time Constable, on and off duty.
We also go through the same disciplinary procedures, so the fact this person was a Special should have no bearing on the outcome of his disciplinary.
The majority of us are simply trying our best to bring something positive to the communities.
Not being funny some of them look daft and almost funny in my veiw
Are you referring to PCSOs (Police Community Support Officers), instead of Specials? Maybe you are confused?
As a Special Constable, my uniform, handcuffs , airwave, baton and other kit is absolutely identical to that of a regular officer. The only way you'd ever tell the difference, is if you had internal Force knowledge and could recognise it from my collar number. This applies to pretty much all Forces.
As said, I'm not at all offended by the above comments - but I'm a bit disappointed. Just bear in mind that, yes, you will get a few bad apples in the Police (Regulars, Special Constables, and PCSOs), but this happens in every profession - and it's unfair of you to tar genuine Officers with the same brush.
what irritates me even more is that this is where i live, am i supposed to call upon these pr*cks when i need help with anything??
Are you talking about every single officer in GMP, danny? ::)
Again - very generalised >:(
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Personally I am getting fed up with reading about how bad people reckon the Police are >:(
For a start we weren't there and so can't really judge the actual situation. No-one gives any respect to them any more, they could be stabbed or anything.
I personally wouldn't do the job
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no James, granted i could have worded that alot better, but it's dented my faith greatly
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Well People moan about how bad the NHS is but if your ill and get rushed in they don't seem to moan then >:(
As for "Plastic Pigs" always thought they were Reliant Robins :-?
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Personally I am getting fed up with reading about how bad people reckon the Police are >:(
For a start we weren't there and so can't really judge the actual situation. No-one gives any respect to them any more, they could be stabbed or anything.
I personally wouldn't do the job
Thing is -- as has been said before -- by me as well on a number of occasions --- There are good and bad in all walks of life. This incident will be looked at by an independant body and dealt with accordingly. Everybody and his dog are quick to slag off the police, but are happy they are around when they get burgled (granted ... if they actually attend!). But like most of us they are pressurised by impractical targets set by some goon in Whitehall, given half the resources they need to do twice the job they have time to. Something has got to give!!!
I am in no way defendimng this action ---- I wasn't there and don't know the facts .... however I am inclined to go along with the appeal courts line of thought.
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We really need a shakey head smiley....
Because you got a duff repairman, all are useless?
Because your cream cake was off, all bakers are useless?
Because your .....
you get the gist!
As said by others, great to pontificate from afar but WE WERE NOT THERE!
Do not take a snapshot of a situation and turn it into a full blown scenario.... All involved will get their comeuppance , of that there is no doubt.
ps - I have also had fun and games with assorted service personel who try to act as though they are still on front line duties in a war zone, not your local High Street supposedly out for a convivial evening of dry sherry and canapes.......
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You could be forgiven for expecting a rant but funnily enough no, not in this case. I don't have the self discilpine to be a soldier, policeman, special, comm off., even an RSPCA officer which i'd love to do, but battering folk who batter thier pets is'nt how it works & i could'nt hold back despite how deserving or well intentioned. If this clip is as shown then the officers were unduly heavy handed & should be disciplined accordingly. However to even pass the training for any of these posts is more than most of us could manage, let alone maintaining standards once out there.
Does'nt make it right i know but those of us who don't face such situations should think again before we sit in judgement.
For once the voice of reason, Guy!!!! ::)
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I'm not going to condemn anyone (officer or suspect) at this stage, not enough can be gained from watching that clip.
- The Clip does not show anything leading up to the officers approaching this man. They would not have done so for no reason.
- If the guy had done nothing wrong, why did he run from the officers?
- The Clip makes a big deal out of the punches, but it looks to me like they are aimed at giving him a dead arm to apply the cuffs.
- "Rubbing his face in the floor" was also played upon, yet it was clearly stated this person tried to bite an officer. For all those PCs / SCs knew the guy could have Aids / Hep B etc - and they had every right to stop this guy biting again.
It also looked like SC Lightfoot had a cool head, it's not like he was randomly punching and kicking the suspect etc.
I cannot say who I would consider wrong or right, based on that clip alone. I will personally wait for the outcome of the court case, before passing judgement. There is no way anyone can be convicted, on that video alone, IMO.
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I ain't calling the Police... having said that the ones (other than two, one of which is a well know Fella on here) I have come across have an air about them.
My Uncle was a Copper he was the same, but I suppose it is the stuff they see and have to deal with being fair.
The papers blow everything out of proportion any how, the headline for a start. If the lad hadn't have been in the army probably would not have made it to the news. >:(
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Seems to me the judge upheld the appeal & rightly so. Where i come from Lightfoots actions are at best assault at worst GBH. I dont think it matters if he is ex forces or unemployed Joe from wherever the police overacted & should be kicked out of the
force service
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Lightfoots actions are at best assault at worst GBH.
It would not be an assult, if SC Lightfoot was using force that was reasonable to the circumstances.
Because none of us forum members actually know the full circumstances, I don't think we can make that judgement just yet.
We can only rely on media reports, which we all know can be biased and not always correct - especially tabloids such as the one reporting this incident.
Also, has anyone noticed that the clip seems to "judder" a couple of times? I would suggest that it may have been edited - possibly by the mirror, in order to remove the aspects that would justify the Officers use of Force....
I'm still keeping an open verdict, personally :)
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/tm_headline=brute-force-three-police-officers-beat-up-handcuffed-iraq-war-veteran%26method=full%26objectid=20934568%26siteid=115875-name_page.html >:( >:( >:( >:(
my respect for police is dwindling
watch the video as well
Yes I saw this last night, but although the newscaster was stating that the policeman punched the man " eight times in the head" if you look closely the officer is actually punching the man on the shoulder/upper arm.
This is a recognised police procedure to quell a violent individual when on the ground to stop them resisting arrest and hopefully reduce the chance of an officer, or member of the public, getting hurt.
The film shows a drunken individual, with no obvious sign of the discipline of an military man, shouting insults to the police, who then chased after him. :y :y
What do we expect from our front line police; just let individuals cause a public disturbance and shout insulting remarks whilst drunk and disorderly without action being taken? So often the public are moaning the police do not do enough to stop such behaviour! ::) ::) ::)
No, as far as the officers were concerned he was a foul mouthed individual out to cause trouble. and he was fairly delt with in my book. 8-) 8-) 8-) :y
My son was in the British Army for 5 years and believe me my ultra fit eldest son once had to drag him away from a similiar situation when you would hardly have quessed he was meant to be a highly trained, disciplined soldier. ::) ::) ::) ::)
I am also well aware of what happens in Aldershot when the Para's are in town. The police have to be firm handed when dealing with these strong individuals (who are trained to kill as my son was!) as they did in the instance filmed. 8-) 8-) 8-)
'dangle berries's >:( i wish i'd been in one of those cars driving by i would have got out and helped that poor man who was defensless on the floor
rather plastic pigs get on my nerves to say the slightest >:( >:( >:( >:(
OK!! You don't agree with my comments; fine!! But you do not have to be so offensive!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
ok sorry Lizzie pardon my french :-[ it just makes my blood boil when i see blatant bully tacticts in the name of restraining someone, it looked very OTT to me :-/
and James i know you're special (as was my brother in law) but in my limited experience it seems to me (IMHO) that the part time guys like this Pr1ck seems to get a real power kick out of being in uniform and like to throw their weight around ::)
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I think rubbing someone's head on the tarmac is disgusting and not reasonable force >:(
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/tm_headline=brute-force-three-police-officers-beat-up-handcuffed-iraq-war-veteran%26method=full%26objectid=20934568%26siteid=115875-name_page.html >:( >:( >:( >:(
my respect for police is dwindling
watch the video as well
Yes I saw this last night, but although the newscaster was stating that the policeman punched the man " eight times in the head" if you look closely the officer is actually punching the man on the shoulder/upper arm.
This is a recognised police procedure to quell a violent individual when on the ground to stop them resisting arrest and hopefully reduce the chance of an officer, or member of the public, getting hurt.
The film shows a drunken individual, with no obvious sign of the discipline of an military man, shouting insults to the police, who then chased after him. :y :y
What do we expect from our front line police; just let individuals cause a public disturbance and shout insulting remarks whilst drunk and disorderly without action being taken? So often the public are moaning the police do not do enough to stop such behaviour! ::) ::) ::)
No, as far as the officers were concerned he was a foul mouthed individual out to cause trouble. and he was fairly delt with in my book. 8-) 8-) 8-) :y
My son was in the British Army for 5 years and believe me my ultra fit eldest son once had to drag him away from a similiar situation when you would hardly have quessed he was meant to be a highly trained, disciplined soldier. ::) ::) ::) ::)
I am also well aware of what happens in Aldershot when the Para's are in town. The police have to be firm handed when dealing with these strong individuals (who are trained to kill as my son was!) as they did in the instance filmed. 8-) 8-) 8-)
'dangle berries's >:( i wish i'd been in one of those cars driving by i would have got out and helped that poor man who was defensless on the floor
rather plastic pigs get on my nerves to say the slightest >:( >:( >:( >:(
OK!! You don't agree with my comments; fine!! But you do not have to be so offensive!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
ok sorry Lizzie pardon my french :-[ it just makes my blood boil when i see blatant bully tacticts in the name of restraining someone, it looked very OTT to me :-/
and James i know you're special (as was my brother in law) but in my limited experience it seems to me (IMHO) that the part time guys like this Pr1ck seems to get a real power kick out of being in uniform and like to throw their weight around ::)
From personal experience, some do ... but generally they get weeded out pretty sharpish.; However I guess afew will get through the net :-/
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First
The boy has no gun, no knife..
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Nothing and no law on earth, gives right to the police to behave like that.. He is representing the Law and Justice..My family served to the law and justice more than 60 years in total and never permitted something like that..
rant over..
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Lightfoots actions are at best assault at worst GBH.
It would not be an assult, if SC Lightfoot was using force that was reasonable to the circumstances.
Because none of us forum members actually know the full circumstances, I don't think we can make that judgement just yet.
We can only rely on media reports, which we all know can be biased and not always correct - especially tabloids such as the one reporting this incident.
Also, has anyone noticed that the clip seems to "judder" a couple of times? I would suggest that it may have been edited - possibly by the mirror, in order to remove the aspects that would justify the Officers use of Force....
I'm still keeping an open verdict, personally :)
So banging his head on the ground twice, screaming in his ear, rubbing his face on the road a few times & just for good measure punching him 8 times is possibly reasonable force & all this while there are another 2 plods on top of this guy
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Lightfoots actions are at best assault at worst GBH.
It would not be an assult, if SC Lightfoot was using force that was reasonable to the circumstances.
Because none of us forum members actually know the full circumstances, I don't think we can make that judgement just yet.
We can only rely on media reports, which we all know can be biased and not always correct - especially tabloids such as the one reporting this incident.
Also, has anyone noticed that the clip seems to "judder" a couple of times? I would suggest that it may have been edited - possibly by the mirror, in order to remove the aspects that would justify the Officers use of Force....
I'm still keeping an open verdict, personally :)
So banging his head on the ground twice, screaming in his ear, rubbing his face on the road a few times & just for good measure punching him 8 times is possibly reasonable force & all this while there are another 2 plods on top of this guy
You can't tell (from the footage alone) whether or not the officer was banging/rubbing his head, or whether it just looks that way, as a result of the guy resisting being restrained.
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Some people deserve a good battering :)
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/tm_headline=brute-force-three-police-officers-beat-up-handcuffed-iraq-war-veteran%26method=full%26objectid=20934568%26siteid=115875-name_page.html >:( >:( >:( >:(
my respect for police is dwindling
watch the video as well
Yes I saw this last night, but although the newscaster was stating that the policeman punched the man " eight times in the head" if you look closely the officer is actually punching the man on the shoulder/upper arm.
This is a recognised police procedure to quell a violent individual when on the ground to stop them resisting arrest and hopefully reduce the chance of an officer, or member of the public, getting hurt.
The film shows a drunken individual, with no obvious sign of the discipline of an military man, shouting insults to the police, who then chased after him. :y :y
What do we expect from our front line police; just let individuals cause a public disturbance and shout insulting remarks whilst drunk and disorderly without action being taken? So often the public are moaning the police do not do enough to stop such behaviour! ::) ::) ::)
No, as far as the officers were concerned he was a foul mouthed individual out to cause trouble. and he was fairly delt with in my book. 8-) 8-) 8-) :y
My son was in the British Army for 5 years and believe me my ultra fit eldest son once had to drag him away from a similiar situation when you would hardly have quessed he was meant to be a highly trained, disciplined soldier. ::) ::) ::) ::)
I am also well aware of what happens in Aldershot when the Para's are in town. The police have to be firm handed when dealing with these strong individuals (who are trained to kill as my son was!) as they did in the instance filmed. 8-) 8-) 8-)
'dangle berries's >:( i wish i'd been in one of those cars driving by i would have got out and helped that poor man who was defensless on the floor
rather plastic pigs get on my nerves to say the slightest >:( >:( >:( >:(
OK!! You don't agree with my comments; fine!! But you do not have to be so offensive!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
ok sorry Lizzie pardon my french :-[ it just makes my blood boil when i see blatant bully tacticts in the name of restraining someone, it looked very OTT to me :-/
and James i know you're special (as was my brother in law) but in my limited experience it seems to me (IMHO) that the part time guys like this Pr1ck seems to get a real power kick out of being in uniform and like to throw their weight around ::)
I am sure that is the case with some -
As has been mentioned, you get bad apples in every profession.
Does that give you the right to label all of us as pr*cks / part time plastic pigs?
I still feel you are slating an entire force of dedicated volunteers, on the actions of a very small minority...
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just hope you dont discover something in life you didnt know or maybe a death, simply having a few to many for xmas, end up in the wrong place wrong time because it could be anyone of us getting our faces rubbed on the floor a little tap on the back of the shoulder by one or 12 police men just enforcing justice. wonder if there were any other crimes in the area that night maybe the police were to tired to attend because they all had to deal with one real serious crime :y
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/tm_headline=brute-force-three-police-officers-beat-up-handcuffed-iraq-war-veteran%26method=full%26objectid=20934568%26siteid=115875-name_page.html >:( >:( >:( >:(
my respect for police is dwindling
watch the video as well
Yes I saw this last night, but although the newscaster was stating that the policeman punched the man " eight times in the head" if you look closely the officer is actually punching the man on the shoulder/upper arm.
This is a recognised police procedure to quell a violent individual when on the ground to stop them resisting arrest and hopefully reduce the chance of an officer, or member of the public, getting hurt.
The film shows a drunken individual, with no obvious sign of the discipline of an military man, shouting insults to the police, who then chased after him. :y :y
What do we expect from our front line police; just let individuals cause a public disturbance and shout insulting remarks whilst drunk and disorderly without action being taken? So often the public are moaning the police do not do enough to stop such behaviour! ::) ::) ::)
No, as far as the officers were concerned he was a foul mouthed individual out to cause trouble. and he was fairly delt with in my book. 8-) 8-) 8-) :y
My son was in the British Army for 5 years and believe me my ultra fit eldest son once had to drag him away from a similiar situation when you would hardly have quessed he was meant to be a highly trained, disciplined soldier. ::) ::) ::) ::)
I am also well aware of what happens in Aldershot when the Para's are in town. The police have to be firm handed when dealing with these strong individuals (who are trained to kill as my son was!) as they did in the instance filmed. 8-) 8-) 8-)
'dangle berries's >:( i wish i'd been in one of those cars driving by i would have got out and helped that poor man who was defensless on the floor
rather plastic pigs get on my nerves to say the slightest >:( >:( >:( >:(
OK!! You don't agree with my comments; fine!! But you do not have to be so offensive!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
ok sorry Lizzie pardon my french :-[ it just makes my blood boil when i see blatant bully tacticts in the name of restraining someone, it looked very OTT to me :-/
and James i know you're special (as was my brother in law) but in my limited experience it seems to me (IMHO) that the part time guys like this Pr1ck seems to get a real power kick out of being in uniform and like to throw their weight around ::)
I am sure that is the case with some -
As has been mentioned, you get bad apples in every profession.
Does that give you the right to label all of us as pr*cks / part time plastic pigs?
I still feel you are slating an entire force of dedicated volunteers, on the actions of a very small minority...
no matey i'm not there is some good guys out there you and my sisters bloke included :y
You are right that a very small minority give the majority a bad name but that is the same in all walks of life i'm afraid.
You got to admit this guy was a bit heavy handed to say the least ::)
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just hope you dont discover something in life you didnt know or maybe a death, simply having a few to many for xmas, end up in the wrong place wrong time because it could be anyone of us getting our faces rubbed on the floor a little tap on the back of the shoulder by one or 12 police men just enforcing justice. wonder if there were any other crimes in the area that night maybe the police were to tired to attend because they all had to deal with one real serious crime :y
FFS why dont we all jump on the gross assumption bandwaggon and label everyone with every label and stereotype we can think of?
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just hope you dont discover something in life you didnt know or maybe a death, simply having a few to many for xmas, end up in the wrong place wrong time because it could be anyone of us getting our faces rubbed on the floor a little tap on the back of the shoulder by one or 12 police men just enforcing justice. wonder if there were any other crimes in the area that night maybe the police were to tired to attend because they all had to deal with one real serious crime :y
FFS why dont we all jump on the gross assumption bandwaggon and label everyone with every label and stereotype we can think of?
apologies. That was typed in haste and did not realise that the poster I quoted was a new or low posting member. Do not get me wrong. If there was unlawfull conduct - by any and all involved - hopefully the matter will be dealt with appropriately.
Yes, a few bad apples etc but please please do not tar all folks with the same brush...
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no matey i'm not there is some good guys out there you and my sisters bloke included :y
You are right that a very small minority give the majority a bad name but that is the same in all walks of life i'm afraid.
Cool, thanks for clarifying :y
You got to admit this guy was a bit heavy handed to say the least ::)
Based solely on the video evidence, it does look that way - no dispute. But, I don't feel able to make a firm opinion really, based on that clip - because there are too many other unknowns.
I don't mind admitting that, rather than being on a power trip, I am at the other end of the scale - I've never been in a fight in all my life, and I'm worried about getting attacked myself, if I'm honest.
I'm sure confidence will grow as I continue to do the job - but I certainly never, ever intend to be "heavy handed"...
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just hope you dont discover something in life you didnt know or maybe a death, simply having a few to many for xmas, end up in the wrong place wrong time because it could be anyone of us getting our faces rubbed on the floor a little tap on the back of the shoulder by one or 12 police men just enforcing justice. wonder if there were any other crimes in the area that night maybe the police were to tired to attend because they all had to deal with one real serious crime :y
FFS why dont we all jump on the gross assumption bandwaggon and label everyone with every label and stereotype we can think of?
apologies. That was typed in haste and did not realise that the poster I quoted was a new or low posting member. Do not get me wrong. If wrong was done - by any and all involved - hopefully the matter will be dealt with appropriately.
Yes, a few bad apples etc but please please do not tar all folks with the same brush...
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I totaly agree, and this was the point I was trying to make a couple of weeks ago on a different subject. People can be very quick to tar everyone with the same brush.
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no matey i'm not there is some good guys out there you and my sisters bloke included :y
You are right that a very small minority give the majority a bad name but that is the same in all walks of life i'm afraid.
Cool, thanks for clarifying :y
You got to admit this guy was a bit heavy handed to say the least ::)
Based solely on the video evidence, it does look that way - no dispute. But, I don't feel able to make a firm opinion really, based on that clip - because there are too many other unknowns.
I don't mind admitting that, rather than being on a power trip, I am at the other end of the scale - I've never been in a fight in all my life, and I'm worried about getting attacked myself, if I'm honest.
I'm sure confidence will grow as I continue to do the job - but I certainly never, ever intend to be "heavy handed"...
i'm sure it will (and you ain't 20 stone!! :D)
i have got a lot of time for good cops and i realize it is a tough job that i've never had the temprement for ::) but there is some arseholes out there too ;)
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big snip.....
You got to admit this guy was a bit heavy handed to say the least ::)
It would appear that way.
However, as said, we do not have the full circumstances.
You ever had to subdue a large trained killer thats got several beers inside them, totally discounting any illegal substances that have been swallowed or up their nostrils, without resorting to a CS spray or a stick?
I have, more than once. Big adrenaline rush at the time but also one fekkin big laxative afterwards.... ;D
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To clean those apples, there are some regular psychological tests exist..
which obviously fails :-?
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big snip.....
You got to admit this guy was a bit heavy handed to say the least ::)
It would appear that way.
However, as said, we do not have the full circumstances.
You ever had to subdue a large trained killer thats got several beers inside them, totally discounting any illegal substances that have been swallowed or up their nostrils, without resorting to a CS spray or a stick?
I have, more than once. Big adrenaline rush at the time but also one fekkin big laxative afterwards.... ;D
appreciate that Brucie, must be very very difficult but this is probably why IMHO a full time PC might be 'cooler' in said situation and only use reasonable force :y
to be honest though he was pissed as a fart as you can tell when he fell over himself trying to run ;D ;D ;D
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This is CCTV footage, therefore the original unedited version must be recorded somewhere. Why this was not brought up in Court I don't know, or perhaps it was, and we are only seeing an edited version from somewhere, and edited by someone trying to sensationalise things. I personally don't bother with newspapers, because whats in them is far from accurate.
However, coming back to my comment about Ki-Aikido, I am surprised that it took 3 police officers to subdue one person. A large trained killer with several beers inside him will be unwieldy, clumsy, liable to make mistakes. OK if he got hold of you it would be nasty, but don't let him get hold. Someone who has been drinking for a while, could probably be subdued with a few words, rather than physical force.
Ken
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Agree that words are your most powerfull ally. I started in a country town with a large airbase on its doorstep that frequently had RAF Regiment on the town as well 4/5 Commando not too far away.
There were max 3 cops on the nightshift and backup (max 2) was minimum 30 minutes away in any given direction. You get nippy bruises in 30 minutes.....
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Shame you couldn't have got the MP's involved. If you had spoken to the CO, I'm sure he wouldn't like bad publicity, and might have voluntered a few squadies and a 4 tonner to help clear up :y :y :y
Ken
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Shame you couldn't have got the MP's involved. If you had spoken to the CO, I'm sure he wouldn't like bad publicity, and might have voluntered a few squadies and a 4 tonner to help clear up :y :y :y
Ken
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Tried that! Too far outside the base boundary, apparently.... 3 miles!!
QR was a good one though.... If not quite enough for a civpol offence - more a warning - but once back at the guardroom, the fellas could march and keep time whilst p!ssed....
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big snip.....
You got to admit this guy was a bit heavy handed to say the least ::)
It would appear that way.
However, as said, we do not have the full circumstances.
You ever had to subdue a large trained killer thats got several beers inside them, totally discounting any illegal substances that have been swallowed or up their nostrils, without resorting to a CS spray or a stick?
I have, more than once. Big adrenaline rush at the time but also one fekkin big laxative afterwards.... ;D
Oh couldnt resist ;)
Ive seen first hand police officers having too restrain drunks/substance abusers and its quite a shock too see a guy who"s not much more than 5ft and 8 stone take four healthy fit officers too TRY and restrain him....nearly 15 mins it took too Finaly wear him down too get him in the back of a meat wagon (personally id have said a truncheon in the face would have made more sense).
So while it may appear that the officers in the video were being unduly heavy handed if they were simply doing what was needed too get there job done then its not really anyone"s place too criticise them.
Through bitter personal experience ive little respect for the police and laws surrounding personal protection however too be fair they do have a tough job too do and drunk squaddies are not always the nicest of people.
James regards uniform...from memory dont you guys have a S before your collar number.?
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big snip.....
You got to admit this guy was a bit heavy handed to say the least ::)
It would appear that way.
However, as said, we do not have the full circumstances.
You ever had to subdue a large trained killer thats got several beers inside them, totally discounting any illegal substances that have been swallowed or up their nostrils, without resorting to a CS spray or a stick?
I have, more than once. Big adrenaline rush at the time but also one fekkin big laxative afterwards.... ;D
Oh couldnt resist ;)
Ive seen first hand police officers having too restrain drunks/substance abusers and its quite a shock too see a guy who"s not much more than 5ft and 8 stone take four healthy fit officers too TRY and restrain him....nearly 15 mins it took too Finaly wear him down too get him in the back of a meat wagon (personally id have said a truncheon in the face would have made more sense).
So while it may appear that the officers in the video were being unduly heavy handed if they were simply doing what was needed too get there job done then its not really anyone"s place too criticise them.
Through bitter personal experience ive little respect for the police and laws surrounding personal protection however too be fair they do have a tough job too do and drunk squaddies are not always the nicest of people.
James regards uniform...from memory dont you guys have a S before your collar number.?
Stuart...
Welcome back :y
I know we shared a few different opinions before your previous departure, but I must say I do agree with much of your last post.
In terms of collar number, no, we don't start with an S. Our collar numbers start with a certain single digit number which internally identifies us as Specials, but to the public just looks like a full time PCs collar no.
I think Forces have purposely tried to make Specials look the same as regular officers. At the end of the day, why not, if they're doing the same job and have the same powers and responsibilities.
Special Constables are by default are issued with a crown and the letters "SC" which can be pinned to epaulettes on the hi viz and clothing, but there's no obligations around this, as long as the numerical collar number is displayed. I personally wear it, because I'm open about what I do, and I enjoy it - and if someone asks me what the SC stands for, I have no problem explaining.
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Having just watched the CCTV I cannot see anything which warranted that abuse. Yes he is in the army (they dont know that, I dont think) to them he is just another p!ssed up reveller, but he's in the REME (not a fighting arm)
A generalisation made here is that everyone in the army is a trained killer. Yes we are allowed to use lethal force if required, but I myself am trained to repair human beings on the frontline and defend myself if attacked just like the rest of us in the AMS. I am not taught, like some beleive, how to snap someone's leg with my thigh nor do I know how to perform the Vulcan sleep grip.
I dont condone soldiers making a nuisance while out on the p!ss, in fact it often gives me more work, but in this picture I cannot see any reason for the force used. In my view they are not respresentative of the police force I know, one which deserves respect for the work they do. That officer at the head should be punished, that was not 'reasonable force' there are much better techniques you could use in that scenario. That just seemed an easy excuse for gratuitous violence.
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I was not going to comment on this subject but i will tell you what my colleague said upon seeing this video "he was lucky it was civvy police and not RMP"...now this comes from a former staff sargeant who served with the RMP`S as well as the South Staffs regt when i queried what he meant he told me that squaddies would always choose being nicked by civvys rather than RMP`S and thats all he would say on the subject.....
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This is CCTV footage, therefore the original unedited version must be recorded somewhere. Why this was not brought up in Court I don't know, or perhaps it was, and we are only seeing an edited version from somewhere, and edited by someone trying to sensationalise things. I personally don't bother with newspapers, because whats in them is far from accurate.
However, coming back to my comment about Ki-Aikido, I am surprised that it took 3 police officers to subdue one person. A large trained killer with several beers inside him will be unwieldy, clumsy, liable to make mistakes. OK if he got hold of you it would be nasty, but don't let him get hold. Someone who has been drinking for a while, could probably be subdued with a few words, rather than physical force.
Ken
Been there, tried that ... got the bruises :(
Alcohol negates normal inhibitions --- social niceties go right out of the window. If you have been trained to be aggressive and kill, that training will take over, in the absence of the usual control exerted by a sober mind.
Just read Gaffers post -- and take the point ! In the past I have come up against Paras and (not army) Marine Commandos -- and when they are upset they ARE a force to be reckoned with !!!!!
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This is CCTV footage, therefore the original unedited version must be recorded somewhere. Why this was not brought up in Court I don't know, or perhaps it was, and we are only seeing an edited version from somewhere, and edited by someone trying to sensationalise things. I personally don't bother with newspapers, because whats in them is far from accurate.
However, coming back to my comment about Ki-Aikido, I am surprised that it took 3 police officers to subdue one person. A large trained killer with several beers inside him will be unwieldy, clumsy, liable to make mistakes. OK if he got hold of you it would be nasty, but don't let him get hold. Someone who has been drinking for a while, could probably be subdued with a few words, rather than physical force.
Ken
Been there, tried that ... got the bruises :(
Alcohol negates normal inhibitions --- social niceties go right out of the window. If you have been trained to be aggressive and kill, that training will take over, in the absence of the usual control exerted by a sober mind.
Just read Gaffers post -- and take the point ! In the past I have come up against Paras and (not army) Marine Commandos -- and when they are upset they ARE a force to be reckoned with !!!!!
I take your point HC and I respect your experience in the matter but when we get taught on what we are allowed to do when arresting someone (be it in Iraq, Afghan or UK) we cannot do things like that officer was doing to the little scrote. Take away the fact that he was army, the officers I doubt knew that at the time. Would it have changed anything?
We, as a force, are held responsibile by the locals where we are for the stupid actions of a few. Equally, we all get labelled as baby-killers because a few cannot hold their liquor. Cast your mind back to the video of the Iraqis getting beat up with battons - that gave cause to many locals sitting on the fence to pick up arms against us. And we all know where that lead us. We all have an inherant right to self-defence, but once the threat is over you cannot do anything.
The short of my point is that the police have a difficult job, just like the army, but it does not warrant gratuitous violence when you feel like it. If I was in a one on one situation with a p!ssed up reveller and I was the copper I would defo have been swinging, milling and thumping. 3 on 1 with him pinned on the floor and then whacking him and scraping his face along the tarmac is not reasonable force and should be punished. There were other options for him to gain control of that arm before resorting to that.
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I want to show another picture..
1 month ago a traffic police shouted "STOP" to a young boy with a
motorcycle, he looked and try escape..
According to our laws the police have the right to use a gun to
stop the vehicle..But not directly in the driver unless he/she has a gun
also..
the boy didnt have license to drive..
Result : The boy died..The police officer defend the self saying "I
shoot at the tires only"..
http://www.analitikbakis.com/haber/20081029/Polis-motosikletli-genci-vurdu.php
Policeman arrested (but will be free after some years)..But this will
not bring back the boy..
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The fella was found guilty in court (breach of the peace or similar),he appealled the conviction and his appeal was upheld.T he judge said it was the worst case of police brutality he had experienced.
Im not anti police btw,my dad was a B special constable in Belfast (quite a different thing to being a special anywhere else). My best friend was in the police in Belfast until the stress caused him to need triple bypass in his 40,s and a good friend who joined in 1977 was murdered in his 1st week on duty.
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big snip.....
You got to admit this guy was a bit heavy handed to say the least ::)
It would appear that way.
However, as said, we do not have the full circumstances.
You ever had to subdue a large trained killer thats got several beers inside them, totally discounting any illegal substances that have been swallowed or up their nostrils, without resorting to a CS spray or a stick?
I have, more than once. Big adrenaline rush at the time but also one fekkin big laxative afterwards.... ;D
Oh couldnt resist ;)
Ive seen first hand police officers having too restrain drunks/substance abusers and its quite a shock too see a guy who"s not much more than 5ft and 8 stone take four healthy fit officers too TRY and restrain him....nearly 15 mins it took too Finaly wear him down too get him in the back of a meat wagon (personally id have said a truncheon in the face would have made more sense).
So while it may appear that the officers in the video were being unduly heavy handed if they were simply doing what was needed too get there job done then its not really anyone"s place too criticise them.
Through bitter personal experience ive little respect for the police and laws surrounding personal protection however too be fair they do have a tough job too do and drunk squaddies are not always the nicest of people.
James regards uniform...from memory dont you guys have a S before your collar number.?
Stuart...
Welcome back :y
I know we shared a few different opinions before your previous departure, but I must say I do agree with much of your last post.
In terms of collar number, no, we don't start with an S. Our collar numbers start with a certain single digit number which internally identifies us as Specials, but to the public just looks like a full time PCs collar no.
I think Forces have purposely tried to make Specials look the same as regular officers. At the end of the day, why not, if they're doing the same job and have the same powers and responsibilities.
Special Constables are by default are issued with a crown and the letters "SC" which can be pinned to epaulettes on the hi viz and clothing, but there's no obligations around this, as long as the numerical collar number is displayed. I personally wear it, because I'm open about what I do, and I enjoy it - and if someone asks me what the SC stands for, I have no problem explaining.
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Ahhh they were just opions...no biggy. :y
Its probably years back i was thinking of the S on collar...might well have been the SC you describe.
Your quiet right regards specials looking same as full time officers...i still wouldnt fancy doing it but hope you enjoy it and it goes well for you.
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believe it or not, this was in our newspapers yesterday..
the world seems to be getting smaller :-/
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Police stations open part time pretend policemen
rather plastic pigs get on my nerves to say the slightest >:( >:( >:( >:(
Well, I don't mind admitting that I am a Special Constable with my local Force.
I joined because I want to actually bring something positive to my community (rather than sit back and moan about all the problems), and because it is also good for my own personal development.
I'm not at all offended by the comments about plastic pigs, etc - it's part of the job, which requires resilience. I do however, think these comments are a little narrow minded on your part, and definately verging on offensive.
How much do you actually know about the Special Constabulary?
Specials are fully trained and warranted Police Officers, sworn into the Office of Constable, who adhere to the same code of conduct, and have the same powers and responsibilities as a regular, Full time Constable, on and off duty.
We also go through the same disciplinary procedures, so the fact this person was a Special should have no bearing on the outcome of his disciplinary.
The majority of us are simply trying our best to bring something positive to the communities.
Not being funny some of them look daft and almost funny in my veiw
Are you referring to PCSOs (Police Community Support Officers), instead of Specials? Maybe you are confused?
As a Special Constable, my uniform, handcuffs , airwave, baton and other kit is absolutely identical to that of a regular officer. The only way you'd ever tell the difference, is if you had internal Force knowledge and could recognise it from my collar number. This applies to pretty much all Forces.
As said, I'm not at all offended by the above comments - but I'm a bit disappointed. Just bear in mind that, yes, you will get a few bad apples in the Police (Regulars, Special Constables, and PCSOs), but this happens in every profession - and it's unfair of you to tar genuine Officers with the same brush.
what irritates me even more is that this is where i live, am i supposed to call upon these pr*cks when i need help with anything??
Are you talking about every single officer in GMP, danny? ::)
Again - very generalised >:(
Well done james I think that you do a good job. :y
But it seems disrespectful to me that you are not paid for the job you do. :-/ :-/
If they police force is short of officers,then money should be made available to pay for them. :-* :-* :-*
Good people such as yourself should not be used as free labour in my opinion. :-* :-*