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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Mr Skrunts on 19 June 2008, 12:15:09
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http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?virboard=PartsSale;num=1209458172
Not having a go at newbies as we all make mistakes due to not reading the forum guidles.
But just reading through the guidlines would it not be worth Admin adding the post numbers rules to the guidlines for the Cars and Parts relevent posts. which in turn will be replicated under each section, therefore giving more chance of being read.
Also I picked up on a member wanting to buy a car (not parts) but was subject to the same number of post rules. Just a thought, could the number of posts for a car Wanted culd be lowered, my thinking here is that anyone buying a car would generally need to do it face to face and wont be doing via ebay or paypal and more often that not be paying cash. Also address on both sides would be known to each other, not the case of Ebay/Paypal.
Parts as we have all learnt is completely different, and is often done via the postal/courier services and as proved only yesterday the description cabt allways be relied on.
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http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?virboard=PartsSale;num=1209458172
Not having a go at newbies as we all make mistakes due to not reading the forum guidles.
But just reading through the guidlines would it not be worth Admin adding the post numbers rules to the guidlines for the Cars and Parts relevent posts. which in turn will be replicated under each section, therefore giving more chance of being read.
Also I picked up on a member wanting to buy a car (not parts) but was subject to the same number of post rules. Just a thought, could the number of posts for a car Wanted culd be lowered, my thinking here is that anyone buying a car would generally need to do it face to face and wont be doing via ebay or paypal and more often that not be paying cash. Also address on both sides would be known to each other, not the case of Ebay/Paypal.
Parts as we have all learnt is completely different, and is often done via the postal/courier services and as proved only yesterday the description cabt allways be relied on.
I think you have a valid point skruntie :y
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i agree :y
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As the cars for sale and cars wanted are in the same section (as is parts sale/wanted) it is not possible to have different postcount rules within same for sale/wanted without splitting the boards into even more sections. We are currently trying to consolidate the number of boards and sections so as to keep the forum manageable.
It is intended that the matter be discussed further at the Lakes meet but meantime, postcount numbers added to the guidelines sticky at the top of each section.
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There is a lot of sense in what Skruntie is saying.
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There is a lot of sense in what Skruntie is saying.
No argument.
It still needs further discussion though! ;D
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The Admins are going to have a sit around the table at the lakes and discuss if we can find a better way to do this, after which the guidlines post will be modified :)
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only just noticed this thread
i thought you were selling newbies!
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i wanted to post this i the wanted section but not allowed as i dont have enough posts. so if adm is reading it could you please move it there for me. pretty please and thank you in advance.
Im after a boot spoiler for a 96 mig. not worried about the colour as i can spray it.
If anyone has one for sale could they let me know and a pic would be nice as well
Thanks Stephen (the duck)
This is one of the typical cheeky posts.
Needs a part, currenly has a post count of 39 and posted in this very section.
HB21 took pity on him and moved to parts for sale/wanted.
I personally have no problem with this at all,
However, there is still the same old niggle still lurking here, this time in reverse order. Rather than a seller requiring a min of 250 posts to advertise. we now have a buyer with less than 50. This now gives the seller with less than 250 posts a chance to create a sale. Still nothing wrong with that, but still the chance of some leg lifting.
May I suggest this.
I think as a forum, we tend to watch out for each other in general.
Admin have a lot to contend with as the forum is growing on a daily basis, and on occasions it takes time to catch up.
The Duck, as much as I feel he is aware there are risks involved, may not have, like many newbies, taken the time to read the forum rules.
So why dont the forums experianced mebers help out here.
1. If a brief "statement/quote" was created as a sticky under the sales/wants section.
2. Then when a newbie posts in a cheeky way against the rule's, wrong section, not enough posts etc.
3. Then annother user, posts a copy of the "statement/quote" as a reply to the cheeky post. This saves Admin time.
4. The"statement/quote" , will contain a link to the do's and dont's and rule's of the sales/want section, and making them aware of the post count scenario and why.
5. The newbie then responds with in a given time that he understands the rule's along with the risks.
6. Once he replies that he/she is aware of the post is then moved. if not, the trhread gets deleted.
A little long winded, but I think you understamd where I am coming from.
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I do skruntie, I still need a few bits for mine but I'll wait til i have the post count before asking directly :y
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I do skruntie, I still need a few bits for mine but I'll wait til i have the post count before asking directly :y
Asking for parts I dont feel is the same as selling them, or at least not for my reasoing for the post count scenario.
Autions use a rating system with % rating and customer feedback, the forum just cannot do this,
As a buyer you can make calculated decisions when offered a part, once offered a part publically, any mambers who have issue's with the seller may send a PM to the buyer with a brrief, "in my experiance, be carefull because"....etc
You then have the option to get all his details, send a PO or cheque, or use credit card via Paypal, eash way trying to maintain a degree of security.
The other way, as a seller, they take a paypal payment and your address, both by email, and then you wait in hope.
I have been wronged on one transaction as seen in the sales/wanted read this post, and this was a part I saw for sale on the forum.
I had a very quick turnarround paypal/post delivey on 2 differnt washer jet deals, one partially incomplete as advised, and one brand new one but not the side I required, and I would happily recommend either seller without question. (cheers guys :y :y :y)
Annother sale was meeting a member in person as wheels are too big to post. no issues what so ever. The washers were parts asked for by me, the wheels were a bit of both.
I personally would rather just request the parts as I need them, but on occasions I may take up parts as they become available. Either way, they may allways be risks, it's just a case of tread carefully and monitor the dituation.
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point taken m8, I made a post regarding chris's breaking Elite "All parts available". I noticed that the NS washer jet was missing and make a joke about how can all parts be available if thats already missing. sirffcgary pm'd me and said he had 1 if I wanted it, replied to the pm and we exchanged addies he's going on hols but he posted it it and the cheque will be on his doormat when he returns, so yes I agree with what your saying :y
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The Admins are going to have a sit around the table at the lakes
And you think the 150+ members also present are going to give you the opportunity for this ;D 8-)
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i wanted to post this i the wanted section but not allowed as i dont have enough posts. so if adm is reading it could you please move it there for me. pretty please and thank you in advance.
Im after a boot spoiler for a 96 mig. not worried about the colour as i can spray it.
If anyone has one for sale could they let me know and a pic would be nice as well
Thanks Stephen (the duck)
This is one of the typical cheeky posts.
Needs a part, currenly has a post count of 39 and posted in this very section.
HB21 took pity on him and moved to parts for sale/wanted.
I personally have no problem with this at all,
However, there is still the same old niggle still lurking here, this time in reverse order. Rather than a seller requiring a min of 250 posts to advertise. we now have a buyer with less than 50. This now gives the seller with less than 250 posts a chance to create a sale. Still nothing wrong with that, but still the chance of some leg lifting.
May I suggest this.
I think as a forum, we tend to watch out for each other in general.
Admin have a lot to contend with as the forum is growing on a daily basis, and on occasions it takes time to catch up.
The Duck, as much as I feel he is aware there are risks involved, may not have, like many newbies, taken the time to read the forum rules.
So why dont the forums experianced mebers help out here.
1. If a brief "statement/quote" was created as a sticky under the sales/wants section.
2. Then when a newbie posts in a cheeky way against the rule's, wrong section, not enough posts etc.
3. Then annother user, posts a copy of the "statement/quote" as a reply to the cheeky post. This saves Admin time.
4. The"statement/quote" , will contain a link to the do's and dont's and rule's of the sales/want section, and making them aware of the post count scenario and why.
5. The newbie then responds with in a given time that he understands the rule's along with the risks.
6. Once he replies that he/she is aware of the post is then moved. if not, the trhread gets deleted.
A little long winded, but I think you understamd where I am coming from.
There you go, we now have a 1st time poster offering to undercut other members for a "wanted" item. No disrespect to buyer or seller, but forum rules and guidlines are not being observed (by either side)
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ok, I made a mistake and did not notice the lack of posts by this user. Thought I would help someone out.
You want deletion/expulsion/resignation or what? :-/
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ok, I made a mistake and did not notice the lack of posts by this user. Thought I would help someone out.
You want deletion/expulsion/resignation or what? :-/
I dont think either of the last 2.
Deleting the thread wont make any real difference now.
But maybe close it, and with reference as to the rules and guidlines broken.
If you dont you have the situation where some one picks up on it down the line and you get the well if it's good for one then why not me as well scenario.
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ok, I made a mistake and did not notice the lack of posts by this user. Thought I would help someone out.
You want deletion/expulsion/resignation or what? :-/
Your punishment is all future holidays in a tin can, pulled at 50mph behind your pride and joy ;D
In all seriousness, Admin's decision is always a one off given the situation at the time. The danger is upsetting people when we move some but not others. What I will say is all Admin decisions are made in the best interests of the forum as a whole.
Also, notice we have Forum Guidelines (note - not rules) at the top of every board, but no bugger ever reads them
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i honestly dont see the point in having a minimum limit on cars FS anyway.
i mean, its not like parts when you generally hand over your cash blind. buying a car you physically take the car with you.
but then its just me cuz i have one to sell. lol
sour grapes?
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i honestly dont see the point in having a minimum limit on cars FS anyway.
i mean, its not like parts when you generally hand over your cash blind. buying a car you physically take the car with you.
but then its just me cuz i have one to sell. lol
sour grapes?
The cars I agree with you.
But a post limit was put in place as people were just coming on the forum to sell things. The point of the forum is to get involved. 50 posts is easily achieved and it gives people chance to get to know the poster.
In your case I would publish your add for the car as long as it's an Omega, if the Admin disagree they will simply delete it.
Just do everyone a favour if you do though.
Put the Age, Mileage, trim and body type and any other relevebt details such as T + T. The add a few pictures, the more info you give the more chance you have to sell it.
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i honestly dont see the point in having a minimum limit on cars FS anyway.
i mean, its not like parts when you generally hand over your cash blind. buying a car you physically take the car with you.
but then its just me cuz i have one to sell. lol
sour grapes?
We had problems with users signing up posting an ad (or ebay link) saying call them on mobile etc, and never coming back. We did not build this place purely as a free ad site for people, but are happy to provide a place to sell Omegas for established members.
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i understand that, dude, i really do.
but surely, if the sale ad that is placed benefits the member that buys it, that cant be a bad thing??
for arguments sake, someone nipping in to sell a proper cheapie that would do somone wife/mother/girlfirend as a first car/hack but are missing out simply because this cant happen.
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i understand that, dude, i really do.
but surely, if the sale ad that is placed benefits the member that buys it, that cant be a bad thing??
for arguments sake, someone nipping in to sell a proper cheapie that would do somone wife/mother/girlfirend as a first car/hack but are missing out simply because this cant happen.
Valid point, though I would imagine anyone looking for a 2nd car would be looking at egay and autotrader etc.
It takes time and money to run this place, and resources are limited. I'd rather not see those resources wasted on some cheeky passer-by wanting to get something for nothing :-/
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This one will always be a hard question. I can see what you mean about people just taking the p***. I'm a newbie as i only brought the car yeaterday. i joined the day before to do a bit of homework on the car before buying as i've never owned 1 before. I run the 924 owners club and we did have issues like this and we dicided just to open the section up to all. Strange thing was that most people that joined just to advertise there goods were just ignored by most members. they went away and did not come back. a few however did stay and have become very good and helpfull members of the club. Myself have only a few posts on this forum and don't get a lot of privaliges that most get.. You sometimes start to think that the boards are very clicky and mates stick together (not found that on this board but have on others). All it needs is a disclaimer at the top that the board admin do not recommend any of the sellers on this board its down to the indevidual (i realy need to learn to spell). to check all items for sale.
You may loose good new members with a limit so high as 250 posts. We have members that only post upto 10 posts a year. You will have many on here i'm sure that visit most days but don't realy have to much to say. Is it fair to exclude them?. Rob
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This one will always be a hard question. I can see what you mean about people just taking the p***. I'm a newbie as i only brought the car yeaterday. i joined the day before to do a bit of homework on the car before buying as i've never owned 1 before. I run the 924 owners club and we did have issues like this and we dicided just to open the section up to all. Strange thing was that most people that joined just to advertise there goods were just ignored by most members. they went away and did not come back. a few however did stay and have become very good and helpfull members of the club. Myself have only a few posts on this forum and don't get a lot of privaliges that most get.. You sometimes start to think that the boards are very clicky and mates stick together (not found that on this board but have on others). All it needs is a disclaimer at the top that the board admin do not recommend any of the sellers on this board its down to the indevidual (i realy need to learn to spell). to check all items for sale.
You may loose good new members with a limit so high as 250 posts. We have members that only post upto 10 posts a year. You will have many on here i'm sure that visit most days but don't realy have to much to say. Is it fair to exclude them?. Rob
I understand your point. But as you join in you become part of a communiy of like minded people
The forum isnt about just joining to sell parts, it's hopefully about coming here to gain knowledge and information, as this knowldge is gained we then pass it on to others.
I have seen questions asked at all times of the day, and 90% have had a soloution or help offered with in an hour.
The 250 post limit was added as a way of getting to know the seller. 50 posts can be achieved with a day, but 250 posts with a willing member means they have probably said hi, asked a few questions and helped out with a couple of replies.
It's not stricly an admin thing the limits were imposed, they just enforced it politly as they control the posts.
It was a decision taken by the whole group, a few of us were taken for a ride by a fellow member. and even now there are still niggles
On the whole we are happy as it is, as I am sure you will understand in time to some. :y
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This one will always be a hard question. I can see what you mean about people just taking the p***. I'm a newbie as i only brought the car yeaterday. i joined the day before to do a bit of homework on the car before buying as i've never owned 1 before. I run the 924 owners club and we did have issues like this and we dicided just to open the section up to all. Strange thing was that most people that joined just to advertise there goods were just ignored by most members. they went away and did not come back. a few however did stay and have become very good and helpfull members of the club. Myself have only a few posts on this forum and don't get a lot of privaliges that most get.. You sometimes start to think that the boards are very clicky and mates stick together (not found that on this board but have on others). All it needs is a disclaimer at the top that the board admin do not recommend any of the sellers on this board its down to the indevidual (i realy need to learn to spell). to check all items for sale.
You may loose good new members with a limit so high as 250 posts. We have members that only post upto 10 posts a year. You will have many on here i'm sure that visit most days but don't realy have to much to say. Is it fair to exclude them?. Rob
Valid points made :y - and when the limit was discussed and agreed, we were aware of the issues it would cause. However, due to the extra admin overhead in resolving the fallouts, plus the fact, ultimately, we can do sod all about bad sellers, this way was considered the best available at the time.
I have looked into various 'trust/reliability' type software, ranging from low cost commercial, to writing myself. Problem with the software we use is the massive amount of work to get our mods re-implemented after software update - even our fairly simple mods take a few days to redo and debug after each update. Anything that hooks into member database is a significant piece of work to be redone regularly.
I was looking at trying to kludge the poll feature as some kind of trader reputation, but stopped with time constraints trying to overcome the extra resources demanded of the server.
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How about an agreement that newbies can sell parts , but stipulate that the parts must be sent first and then payment received afterwards. Then the onus is on the seller to decide whether he trusts the buyer to pay up. It could also force the seller to describe the part as accurately as possible for fear of it being rejected. Presumably also scammers and quick buck merchants would be put of from trying their luck .
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How about an agreement that newbies can sell parts , but stipulate that the parts must be sent first and then payment received afterwards. Then the onus is on the seller to decide whether he trusts the buyer to pay up. It could also force the seller to describe the part as accurately as possible for fear of it being rejected. Presumably also scammers and quick buck merchants would be put of from trying their luck .
I would say virtually no seller would agree to that, far too much scope for abuse :-/
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Pulling this back to the original question... 50 posts is nothing, only took me 5 or 6 days to get over that. Now I just need a Miggy to sell :P
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You never know ,might work . As someone said earlier , the whole idea of the forum is helping each other and also pretty much trusting each other. Personally I'd be prepared to send a part if I thought the buyer was a genuine member of the forum. Maybe not to someone who'd only been a member for a very short while though ! Maybe also the buyer would be unlikely to pull a fast one because of the potential effect on his standing on the forum. It may not hurt to try it cos as you say ,people may not go for it anyway in which case you're sort of back where you started.
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Pulling this back to the original question... 50 posts is nothing, only took me 5 or 6 days to get over that. Now I just need a Miggy to sell :P
Your right i've only been on here 3 days now and this is post no 44 :D
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Pulling this back to the original question... 50 posts is nothing, only took me 5 or 6 days to get over that. Now I just need a Miggy to sell :P
Your right i've only been on here 3 days now and this is post no 44 :D
And your only a couple of miles away from me!
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Where are you then?
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Near the new Tesco in Cradley Heath :P :y
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tis but a stone's throw away then.
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i honestly dont see the point in having a minimum limit on cars FS anyway.
i mean, its not like parts when you generally hand over your cash blind. buying a car you physically take the car with you.
but then its just me cuz i have one to sell. lol
sour grapes?
as a noobie i can see it from both sides
the post limit is there to try and protect genuine members froom the scammers and post and run brigade however i am a bit of a forum lurker i spend alot of time reading and very little time posting as such it would take me a while to reach the limit required even tho i spend alot of time on the forum.
i think its fine to allow low post forum users to advertise for face to face transactions but perhaps a higher limit for anything done through the postal system
Doog
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I agree with doog - and see it from both points, but similar to him i tend to lurk on the forum than post alot (i dont have much to offer i guess ;D )
i understand that post counts is an easy way to regulate who uses the for sale forums - but in the same vain, ive been on here for months and have next to no posts and have been wanting parts ever since i signed up!... with the current post count regulations, ive found myself just turning to ebay and other places for parts and wanted posts, rather than sittin trying to PM people constantly about parts (most of which end up being ignored i think lol), would just be easier to put up a wanted post with all the random bits im after ;D just my thoughts on it lol
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I kindof think that on this forum its different. Its not hard to reach a 50 post count BECAUSE the forum is not just about cars. As I've said before, I don't even drive, my other half has a miggy and yet I post fairly regularly because of the good atmosphere on the forum. On other car forums, well, I can get a bit terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tiredy lol and would not post at all.., but that's cause of my situation (not trying to insult all other car forums here lol).
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ok, I made a mistake and did not notice the lack of posts by this user. Thought I would help someone out.
You want deletion/expulsion/resignation or what? :-/
I'll settle for any sort of natural disaster on a global scale...
not much on telly just now. [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] ::)