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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Richie London on 12 December 2008, 10:15:43
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good ridance i say. by reading this i would say he suffered a very painful death. also stop him commiting another crime which he would do, sex offenders cant be helped and always re offend. hope this sends out a message to them that there crimes will not be accepted by the public and there will be no forgiveness.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20081212/tuk-sex-offender-stabbed-to-death-dba1618.html
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Oh dear ;D
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Shame!
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My problem with that is simple .. vigilantes have a very bad habit of getting it wrong and choosing the wrong person for the wrong reason.
Thats why we have laws.
Bad news for society if actions like this are seen as good :(
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there was one put in a flat at top of my mums rd about 4 yrs ago, the flats overlooked the school, was a lot of trouble over it as he used to stare at the kids from the window. police were unable to do anything as he is commiting no crime they said. wasnt long before word got about, he ended up in hospital eventually and never came back again.
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My problem with that is simple .. vigilantes have a very bad habit of getting it wrong and choosing the wrong person for the wrong reason.
Thats why we have laws.
Bad news for society if actions like this are seen as good :(
Unfortunately the law gets it wrong as well and thats probably the reason vigilantes exist. Prison terms should suit the crime and I think due to overcrowding or the PC Brigade alot of criminals are released to early leaving the affected families craving justice, which I can understand.
At least whoever did the above job got the right person.
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My problem with that is simple .. vigilantes have a very bad habit of getting it wrong and choosing the wrong person for the wrong reason.
Thats why we have laws.
Bad news for society if actions like this are seen as good :(
Yeh, but this time they got it right. I just hope the dirty s'dartsab burning right now :y :y :y :y
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there was one put in a flat at top of my mums rd about 4 yrs ago, the flats overlooked the school, was a lot of trouble over it as he used to stare at the kids from the window. police were unable to do anything as he is commiting no crime they said. wasnt long before word got about, he ended up in hospital eventually and never came back again.
So a lonely, ostracized person, who has paid for past mistakes, can't look out of a window without being beaten up. ??? :)
Sad comment on society isn't it ? We get all mad about someone looking out of a window .. but it's perfectly OK to have a mob stab someone ???
Hypocritical or what ??
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there was one put in a flat at top of my mums rd about 4 yrs ago, the flats overlooked the school, was a lot of trouble over it as he used to stare at the kids from the window. police were unable to do anything as he is commiting no crime they said. wasnt long before word got about, he ended up in hospital eventually and never came back again.
So a lonely, ostracized person, who has paid for past mistakes, can't look out of a window without being beaten up. ??? :)
Sad comment on society isn't it ? We get all mad about someone looking out of a window .. but it's perfectly OK to have a mob stab someone ???
Hypocritical or what ??
No he didn't, he has now.
No sex offender that preys on kids has ever paid for their crime under British law >:( >:(
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there was one put in a flat at top of my mums rd about 4 yrs ago, the flats overlooked the school, was a lot of trouble over it as he used to stare at the kids from the window. police were unable to do anything as he is commiting no crime they said. wasnt long before word got about, he ended up in hospital eventually and never came back again.
So a lonely, ostracized person, who has paid for past mistakes, can't look out of a window without being beaten up. ??? :)
Sad comment on society isn't it ? We get all mad about someone looking out of a window .. but it's perfectly OK to have a mob stab someone ???
Hypocritical or what ??
Don't think anyone is saying its right, but it seems to be what our justice system has reduced us to. human nature is to protect our own and we don't seem to be able to rely on the law to do this!
In threatening situations I was brought up to hit them first, tell them what for later! Maybe other people feel this way as in the case of the fella watching the kids.
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Ive got the humane answer to all the PERVERTS!!!!!! Castrate the b******s 99% of the problem would go away. I would suffer the feeling of guilt at haveing this act of violence done, to see families and kids happy and free. :y :y :y
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Ive got the humane answer to all the PERVERTS!!!!!! Castrate the b******s 99% of the problem would go away. I would suffer the feeling of guilt at haveing this act of violence done, to see families and kids happy and free. :y :y :y
Agreed. What would you do about the women :-?
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This is simply a personal observation:
It`s a shame that such perversions seem to bring out the worst in our society; why should the actions of such clearly intractably-deviant individuals make us so ready (as a society) to cast off our own moral-decency and be so-quick to condone or even resort to violence against such sex-offenders?
IMHO: 'Chemical' castration and total lifetime removal from access to society (in a specialist, sex-offender`s prison) would surely-suffice to protect the innocent; whilst not needing 'us' to drop to the deviant`s morally debased level.
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You ask what about the women?? 1st things 1st Sort the male problem out first, and a lot of the womens probs may go away, what didn't would have to be sorted by mostly women. You see I am a man with a male GUARANTEED solution to the problems that are an utter shame to my sex!!! Regards Clifford.
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This is simply a personal observation:
It`s a shame that such perversions seem to bring out the worst in our society; why should the actions of such clearly intractably-deviant individuals make us so ready (as a society) to cast off our own moral-decency and be so-quick to condone or even resort to violence against such sex-offenders?
IMHO: 'Chemical' castration and total lifetime removal from access to society (in a specialist, sex-offender`s prison) would surely-suffice to protect the innocent; whilst not needing 'us' to drop to the deviant`s morally debased level.
No Debs. I've seen what their actions can do to a family at close hand, my stance won't change at all. They leave extremely deep scares that never heal. Why should they be able to live a life without remorse. I would personally beat the crap out of anyone that i found doing such an act on a child. They are sick & depraved individuals that should not be allowed to go on living.
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Don't think theres a simple answer to sort out these women. If they can do this to their child they obviously lack any maternal instincts therefore no hope of rehabilitation.
Chemical castration in men I believe to have limited success as it is their human right to refuse medication, they need to be compliant for it to work, not always the case. Knock 'em out and chop 'em off!
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according to bbc, he attacked a girl under 16.
according to the sun, raped a girl under 13 and molested a 2 year old!
sicko!
Should be hung / stoned / etc, should be no need for vigilante justice.
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He was not much older than me when he raped - a girl not muh older than my daughter.
Could be her dad who punished him.
I would would happily kill one.
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different situation but same principal, my excuse for a human being neighbour has just bought a rottweiler as a family pet. worrying as he cant control his kids or their existing dog. should my boys get hurt by this dog then there would be no end to the pain i would inflict on its owner! would not be responsible for my actions, so can empathise with folk who feel that they need to serve justice themselves. >:(
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Nobody has the right to say whether somebody should live or die. Sex offenders are sick yes, but is the responsibilty of the penal system in this country to punish them. It is also the responsibilty of the parole sytem and social service to rehabilitate this man and turn him into a decent human being. People like this don't choose to be the way they are, they are sick and need help or locking away. They don't need vigiliantes killing them, the only way this will ever get dealt with is if such people are able to "come out of the closet" and not be scared. So they can get help. I don't condone their actions at all, but there are better ways to deal with problems like these!
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Nobody has the right to say whether somebody should live or die. Sex offenders are sick yes, but is the responsibilty of the penal system in this country to punish them. It is also the responsibilty of the parole sytem and social service to rehabilitate this man and turn him into a decent human being. People like this don't choose to be the way they are, they are sick and need help or locking away. They don't need vigiliantes killing them, the only way this will ever get dealt with is if such people are able to "come out of the closet" and not be scared. So they can get help. I don't condone their actions at all, but there are better ways to deal with problems like these!
Cant be done. I'm afraid I agree with the 'kill them' attitude, but by hanging or some other capital punishment. I would take the job as hangman and smile at the bastard as he dropped.
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Nobody has the right to say whether somebody should live or die. Sex offenders are sick yes, but is the responsibilty of the penal system in this country to punish them. It is also the responsibilty of the parole sytem and social service to rehabilitate this man and turn him into a decent human being. People like this don't choose to be the way they are, they are sick and need help or locking away. They don't need vigiliantes killing them, the only way this will ever get dealt with is if such people are able to "come out of the closet" and not be scared. So they can get help. I don't condone their actions at all, but there are better ways to deal with problems like these!
Well we all know how good they are.
They also let down the poor girl i know & it was left up to the mother to seek justice, which was a pittance >:( >:( >:( >:(
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This is very difficult, would you advocate the penalties in previous posts for say copying a DVD ? at the end of the day it is still a crime.
Are we saying a burglar can be reformed, but these people can't ?
Just trying to be devils advocate ;D
Mike
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This is very difficult, would you advocate the penalties in previous posts for say copying a DVD ? at the end of the day it is still a crime.
Are we saying a burglar can be reformed, but these people can't ?
Just trying to be devils advocate ;D
Mike
YES
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No one is willing to give these people the help the need this is the problem. No one can step forward and say "hey I'm a peado" and get help. Surely with some kind of lengthy psychological process these guys can be helped to control their urges?
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No one is willing to give these people the help the need this is the problem. No one can step forward and say "hey I'm a peado" and get help. Surely with some kind of lengthy psychological process these guys can be helped to control their urges?
Some (i don't know about all) don't think they're doing anything wrong, this was the case with the girl i know. As far as the Peado was concerned he was commiting no crime & the law was wrong.
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Debs. You do really need to come to a different veiwpoint a little more, you would have the unmentionables out of society for life,at great taxpayers expence. Remove their physical drive to commit horrors against the innocents, and they could surely enjoy a return to society and even family life. And what a score. Become valuable members of society, I and anybody else would have less cause for feelings of guilt. Last but not least something nature won't allow you to appreciate.- The deterant value would be immence and how!!!! :y :y :y
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No one is willing to give these people the help the need this is the problem. No one can step forward and say "hey I'm a peado" and get help. Surely with some kind of lengthy psychological process these guys can be helped to control their urges?
Some (i don't know about all) don't think they're doing anything wrong, this was the case with the girl i know. As far as the Peado was concerned he was commiting no crime & the law was wrong.
I completely agree with you. Probably most of them think they are doing nothing wrong. They need the help for them to see that it is wrong. I may be completely wrong but do you not see this issue as a kind of "sexuality"? A completely disgusting one i know.
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No one is willing to give these people the help the need this is the problem. No one can step forward and say "hey I'm a peado" and get help. Surely with some kind of lengthy psychological process these guys can be helped to control their urges?
There is surgery - that should help.
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No one is willing to give these people the help the need this is the problem. No one can step forward and say "hey I'm a peado" and get help. Surely with some kind of lengthy psychological process these guys can be helped to control their urges?
There is surgery - that should help.
Uhm, it involves a a hooded man & an axe :y
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No one is willing to give these people the help the need this is the problem. No one can step forward and say "hey I'm a peado" and get help. Surely with some kind of lengthy psychological process these guys can be helped to control their urges?
There is surgery - that should help.
Uhm, it involves a a hooded man & an axe :y
Me.
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there was one put in a flat at top of my mums rd about 4 yrs ago, the flats overlooked the school, was a lot of trouble over it as he used to stare at the kids from the window. police were unable to do anything as he is commiting no crime they said. wasnt long before word got about, he ended up in hospital eventually and never came back again.
So a lonely, ostracized person, who has paid for past mistakes, can't look out of a window without being beaten up. ??? :)
Sad comment on society isn't it ? We get all mad about someone looking out of a window .. but it's perfectly OK to have a mob stab someone ???
Hypocritical or what ??
Couldn't agree more Entwood!! I would love to see all peodos locked away for life, but only by the just process of our justice system! 8-) 8-)
Two wrongs do not make a right, and can lead to innocent parties getting hurt, including now those who committed this crime who will hopefully serve many years in prison themselves. I hope they still think it was worth it then! :P :P
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there was one put in a flat at top of my mums rd about 4 yrs ago, the flats overlooked the school, was a lot of trouble over it as he used to stare at the kids from the window. police were unable to do anything as he is commiting no crime they said. wasnt long before word got about, he ended up in hospital eventually and never came back again.
So a lonely, ostracized person, who has paid for past mistakes, can't look out of a window without being beaten up. ??? :)
Sad comment on society isn't it ? We get all mad about someone looking out of a window .. but it's perfectly OK to have a mob stab someone ???
Hypocritical or what ??
Couldn't agree more Entwood!! I would love to see all peodos locked away for life, but only by the just process of our justice system! 8-) 8-)
Two wrongs do not make a right, and can lead to innocent parties getting hurt, including now those who committed this crime and will hopefully serve many years in prison themselves. I hope they still think it was worth it then! :P :P
Which historical genius formulated that equation? I think they were way off.
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there was one put in a flat at top of my mums rd about 4 yrs ago, the flats overlooked the school, was a lot of trouble over it as he used to stare at the kids from the window. police were unable to do anything as he is commiting no crime they said. wasnt long before word got about, he ended up in hospital eventually and never came back again.
So a lonely, ostracized person, who has paid for past mistakes, can't look out of a window without being beaten up. ??? :)
Sad comment on society isn't it ? We get all mad about someone looking out of a window .. but it's perfectly OK to have a mob stab someone ???
Hypocritical or what ??
Couldn't agree more Entwood!! I would love to see all peodos locked away for life, but only by the just process of our justice system! 8-) 8-)
Two wrongs do not make a right, and can lead to innocent parties getting hurt, including now those who committed this crime and will hopefully serve many years in prison themselves. I hope they still think it was worth it then! :P :P
Which historical genius formulated that equation? I think they were way off.
Sorry, but what is morally wrong as judged by society, ie Murder, cannot be put right by a murder!! :(
If you really believe that then you are wishing for a anachical society, and God help us all if suddenly there are no rules at all in our nation and it is dog eat dog! :o :o :o :o :o
Believe me you would be the first to complain! ::)
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Two wrongs do not make a right, and can lead to innocent parties getting hurt, including now those who committed this crime and will hopefully serve many years in prison themselves. I hope they still think it was worth it then! :P :P
Which historical genius formulated that equation? I think they were way off.
Lol....so -1 + -1 does not equal -2.....
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It's -1 X -1 = 1. :P
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Two wrongs do not make a right, and can lead to innocent parties getting hurt, including now those who committed this crime and will hopefully serve many years in prison themselves. I hope they still think it was worth it then! :P :P
Which historical genius formulated that equation? I think they were way off.
Lol....so -1 + -1 does not equal -2.....[/quote]
Exactly Mark, two negatives equal negative, and a society not in positive but in chaos! ::) ::) ;)
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Hello Dave,May I just comment on your opinions I feel some sympathy towards them, but I have seen life for longer than I care to think about. Even had the State feel my collar for 2yrs and drag me off to Egypt & Cyprus where I lived and enjoyed life with allsorts for 2years. My comment on the soft approach is it does't work in the end you and everyone else needs to come to terms with this and remove the cause, IE Castrate it away,ask yourself this would that unmentionable individual have been knifed to death?? I must leave this subject as I know my views won't be accepted, and I am after all just an average guy who's had a chance to speak his piece on this wonderfull Forum with you guys.So back to Omega loves!!!! :y :y :y :y
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there was one put in a flat at top of my mums rd about 4 yrs ago, the flats overlooked the school, was a lot of trouble over it as he used to stare at the kids from the window. police were unable to do anything as he is commiting no crime they said. wasnt long before word got about, he ended up in hospital eventually and never came back again.
So a lonely, ostracized person, who has paid for past mistakes, can't look out of a window without being beaten up. ??? :)
Sad comment on society isn't it ? We get all mad about someone looking out of a window .. but it's perfectly OK to have a mob stab someone ???
Hypocritical or what ??
Couldn't agree more Entwood!! I would love to see all peodos locked away for life, but only by the just process of our justice system! 8-) 8-)
Two wrongs do not make a right, and can lead to innocent parties getting hurt, including now those who committed this crime who will hopefully serve many years in prison themselves. I hope they still think it was worth it then! :P :P
Do I feel sympathy for this individual....NO.
But let us not get the idea that these vigilantes are some how doing a service for the people of Britain......they do not speak for me.
Lets be honest.....these vigilantes do what they do ....for the violence....it turns them on .....they do not do what they do out of altruism.
If they were not kicking the sh#t out of a paedophile .....they would find someone else.......now let me see
.....where do I start...Gays....blacks ...muslims......illegal immigrants....the list goes on.
In summary .....I feel no sympathy for this guy.....the world may well be a better place without him......but the so called vigilantes are little better.
They don't speak for me. :y :y
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It'll be interesting to see if the Police catch the Perps or it's "oh dear i seem to have misplaced some evidence". Arh well never mind ;)
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Two wrongs do not make a right, and can lead to innocent parties getting hurt, including now those who committed this crime and will hopefully serve many years in prison themselves. I hope they still think it was worth it then! :P :P
Which historical genius formulated that equation? I think they were way off.
Lol....so -1 + -1 does not equal -2.....[/quote]
Exactly Mark, two negatives equal negative, and a society not in positive but in chaos! ::) ::) ;)
I don't think you can judge how you would feel until it happened to you. before i had the boys i wouldnt have given a toss! now it seems that i would seek revenge, not necessarily something i'm proud of but we can all have our opinions.
Sometimes get the impression that we are already in chaos.
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Two wrongs do not make a right, and can lead to innocent parties getting hurt, including now those who committed this crime and will hopefully serve many years in prison themselves. I hope they still think it was worth it then! :P :P
Which historical genius formulated that equation? I think they were way off.
Lol....so -1 + -1 does not equal -2.....[/quote]
Exactly Mark, two negatives equal negative, and a society not in positive but in chaos! ::) ::) ;)
I don't think you can judge how you would feel until it happened to you. before i had the boys i wouldnt have given a toss! now it seems that i would seek revenge, not necessarily something i'm proud of but we can all have our opinions.
Sometimes get the impression that we are already in chaos.
That's exactly it Ljay. Where your kids are concerned, animal instinct takes over.
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Hello Dave,May I just comment on your opinions I feel some sympathy towards them, but I have seen life for longer than I care to think about. Even had the State feel my collar for 2yrs and drag me off to Egypt & Cyprus where I lived and enjoyed life with allsorts for 2years. My comment on the soft approach is it does't work in the end you and everyone else needs to come to terms with this and remove the cause, IE Castrate it away,ask yourself this would that unmentionable individual have been knifed to death?? I must leave this subject as I know my views won't be accepted, and I am after all just an average guy who's had a chance to speak his piece on this wonderfull Forum with you guys.So back to Omega loves!!!! :y :y :y :y
I just don't like vilence of any kind and think there is a peaceful and logical way to deal with anything! :)
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Hello Dave,May I just comment on your opinions I feel some sympathy towards them, but I have seen life for longer than I care to think about. Even had the State feel my collar for 2yrs and drag me off to Egypt & Cyprus where I lived and enjoyed life with allsorts for 2years. My comment on the soft approach is it does't work in the end you and everyone else needs to come to terms with this and remove the cause, IE Castrate it away,ask yourself this would that unmentionable individual have been knifed to death?? I must leave this subject as I know my views won't be accepted, and I am after all just an average guy who's had a chance to speak his piece on this wonderfull Forum with you guys.So back to Omega loves!!!! :y :y :y :y
I just don't like vilence of any kind and think there is a peaceful and logical way to deal with anything! :)
Bowlocks
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Hello Dave,May I just comment on your opinions I feel some sympathy towards them, but I have seen life for longer than I care to think about. Even had the State feel my collar for 2yrs and drag me off to Egypt & Cyprus where I lived and enjoyed life with allsorts for 2years. My comment on the soft approach is it does't work in the end you and everyone else needs to come to terms with this and remove the cause, IE Castrate it away,ask yourself this would that unmentionable individual have been knifed to death?? I must leave this subject as I know my views won't be accepted, and I am after all just an average guy who's had a chance to speak his piece on this wonderfull Forum with you guys.So back to Omega loves!!!! :y :y :y :y
I just don't like vilence of any kind and think there is a peaceful and logical way to deal with anything! :)
Unfortunatley we as a race are violent, just look at our history & do we learn from it. We happen to be the most violent, sadistic species that walk the world. Hence why we have sick perverts.
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Hello Dave,May I just comment on your opinions I feel some sympathy towards them, but I have seen life for longer than I care to think about. Even had the State feel my collar for 2yrs and drag me off to Egypt & Cyprus where I lived and enjoyed life with allsorts for 2years. My comment on the soft approach is it does't work in the end you and everyone else needs to come to terms with this and remove the cause, IE Castrate it away,ask yourself this would that unmentionable individual have been knifed to death?? I must leave this subject as I know my views won't be accepted, and I am after all just an average guy who's had a chance to speak his piece on this wonderfull Forum with you guys.So back to Omega loves!!!! :y :y :y :y
I just don't like vilence of any kind and think there is a peaceful and logical way to deal with anything! :)
Bowlocks
Removal of Bowlocks
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Noticed open verdict on the Brasilian chap killed by the Met Police
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I think this is a difficult subject....
I believe Child Offenders are scum of the earth, and frankly are NO use to anyone.
You can't imagine what you would do if such a terrible thing happened to your children.. Would you be willing to kill the weirdo then?
I think most would answer yes...
If I remember correctly Hanging was stopped due to a couple of people wrongly hanged.... but nowadays they have DNA testing etc....
Perhaps isolation is too good for these people, should leave them with the other inmates, they would cure the problem doing a good deed.
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Two wrongs do not make a right, and can lead to innocent parties getting hurt, including now those who committed this crime and will hopefully serve many years in prison themselves. I hope they still think it was worth it then! :P :P
Which historical genius formulated that equation? I think they were way off.
Lol....so -1 + -1 does not equal -2.....[/quote]
Exactly Mark, two negatives equal negative, and a society not in positive but in chaos! ::) ::) ;)
I don't think you can judge how you would feel until it happened to you. before i had the boys i wouldnt have given a toss! now it seems that i would seek revenge, not necessarily something i'm proud of but we can all have our opinions.
Sometimes get the impression that we are already in chaos.
That's exactly it Ljay. Where your kids are concerned, animal instinct takes over.
Not with all of us, and I had three children and when there was a problem it was always left to the police rather than my hubby reducing himself to the other parties level! :D ;)
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Sex Offender - Stabbed to Death.
Thats a shame (not). Sure there wont be a good turnout at the funeral.
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this man was not just looking out of thwe window, he was watching them for long periods. he knew it was winding people up and did it for that reason. my mother see him a few times and said he was so creepy and shouldnt of been housed outside a schools front gates, there was always incidents out side the school involving someone in a car or hanging about the gates.
people shouldnt have to carry fear wherever they go, the law should be there to punish and properly for the crime they have commited. not re habilitate as it doesnt always work.
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Two wrongs do not make a right, and can lead to innocent parties getting hurt, including now those who committed this crime and will hopefully serve many years in prison themselves. I hope they still think it was worth it then! :P :P
Which historical genius formulated that equation? I think they were way off.
Lol....so -1 + -1 does not equal -2.....[/quote]
Exactly Mark, two negatives equal negative, and a society not in positive but in chaos! ::) ::) ;)
I don't think you can judge how you would feel until it happened to you. before i had the boys i wouldnt have given a toss! now it seems that i would seek revenge, not necessarily something i'm proud of but we can all have our opinions.
Sometimes get the impression that we are already in chaos.
That's exactly it Ljay. Where your kids are concerned, animal instinct takes over.
Not with all of us, and I had three children and when there was a problem it was always left to the police rather than my hubby reducing himself to the other parties level! :D ;)
Thats not surprising! I wouldn't hesitate to defend my own at any cost though, no need to leave it to police or hubby! Each to their own though!
Personally have had little joy from the police the few times we have involved them! >:(
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I feel I am a decent chap but things like this sadly fill me with 'served him right' and fingers crossed for the same result in the baby p case too.
Justice system in this country is nothing more than a joke.
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Do I feel sympathy for this individual....NO.
But let us not get the idea that these vigilantes are some how doing a service for the people of Britain......they do not speak for me.
Lets be honest.....these vigilantes do what they do ....for the violence....it turns them on .....they do not do what they do out of altruism.
If they were not kicking the sh#t out of a paedophile .....they would find someone else.......now let me see
.....where do I start...Gays....blacks ...muslims......illegal immigrants....the list goes on.
In summary .....I feel no sympathy for this guy.....the world may well be a better place without him......but the so called vigilantes are little better.
They don't speak for me. :y :y
I agree - I even agree with Lizzie Zoom for once!
'Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord' - Hebrews 10:30
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Two wrongs do not make a right, and can lead to innocent parties getting hurt, including now those who committed this crime and will hopefully serve many years in prison themselves. I hope they still think it was worth it then! :P :P
Which historical genius formulated that equation? I think they were way off.
Lol....so -1 + -1 does not equal -2.....[/quote]
Exactly Mark, two negatives equal negative, and a society not in positive but in chaos! ::) ::) ;)
I don't think you can judge how you would feel until it happened to you. before i had the boys i wouldnt have given a toss! now it seems that i would seek revenge, not necessarily something i'm proud of but we can all have our opinions.
Sometimes get the impression that we are already in chaos.
That's exactly it Ljay. Where your kids are concerned, animal instinct takes over.
Not with all of us, and I had three children and when there was a problem it was always left to the police rather than my hubby reducing himself to the other parties level! :D ;)
Thats not surprising! I wouldn't hesitate to defend my own at any cost though, no need to leave it to police or hubby! Each to their own though!Personally have had little joy from the police the few times we have involved them! >:(
What does that mean?!! :-? :-?
What, that I am in support of law and order, not mob rule?! >:(
Thank God I do feel like that, often working with the police and keekping our streets free of people who believe in anachy!
But as you say Ljay, everyone to their own! :-X :-X
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Lizzie the trouble these days is the law favours the criminal not the victims.
Until that balance is adjusted sadly (!) things like this will happen.
I have no sympathy for him, or anyobdy else that gets their come uppance.
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There are afaik lots of remote islands off the coast,particularily the Scottish coast,we should make use of them as prisons. one for paedo,s
one for murderers,rapists etc; leave them there and forget about them.
I dont believe in capital punishment but I do believe that the really serious offenders should be removed from society and never allowed back.
I dont believe we should bother trying to rehabilitate them,we need to make it clear that serious offences such as this will result in a horrible existence from which there is no return,in order to scare the bejaysus out of would be offenders.
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I've just had a horrible thought. Not as bad as your own kid being hurt, but.............................what if your own kid turned out to be the paedophile.
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Lizzie the trouble these days is the law favours the criminal not the victims.
Until that balance is adjusted sadly (!) things like this will happy.
I have no sympathy for him, or anyobdy else that gets their come uppance.
I couldn't agree more, but it is through the ballot box that we bring about change, pressure on our political represenatives or going into politics ourselves to change what is certainly an imperfect system. :y :y
Going out on the streets to sort people out that you do not feel should walk the streets is not the way. I completely understand the feeling against peodos, and personally would willing hang them painfully on piano wire. But where do you stop? There are a number of types in society that I would love to do away with, but who am I to decide that? It must be our system of justice, as imperfect as it definately is! ::) ::)
Otherwise, we create a state in which the majority of people go back to intolerant, unjust and unfair ways to deal out punishment to those the majority do not like. We will call this state Nazi Britain. But heaven help anyone who falls outside "the box" accepted by the majority! Colour of skin, political beliefs, belonging to a union, stating their viewpoints, etc. Or shall we just change everything by a bloody revolution, as in the French Revolution of 1789 - 1795?
No, let us all work together peacefully, in line with the due process of the law to change things, like ensuring we vote at the next General Election, which if things go to the form witnessed over recent years will see up to 40% of the population will not do! :o :o
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There are afaik lots of remote islands off the coast,particularily the Scottish coast,we should make use of them as prisons. .......
I somehow don't think the Jocks would agree with you though. :-?
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There are afaik lots of remote islands off the coast,particularily the Scottish coast,we should make use of them as prisons. .......
I somehow don't think the Jocks would agree with you though. :-?
You're joking! What sport on a Saturday night after a few drams. :y
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Got to be at least 5 miles off shore,so that if they try to swim for it they freeze in the water before getting anywhere near land. ;)
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There are afaik lots of remote islands off the coast,particularily the Scottish coast,we should make use of them as prisons. .......
I somehow don't think the Jocks would agree with you though. :-?
Agree, I wouldnt agree, some really nice scenery up there as it is....
Just shoot em :y
As for leaving it to the police - ive tried over 3 years to report 3 crimes with no impact and no visability of an officer.
So if it needs anarchy, or martial law or vigilante groups to curb crime so be it.
I would certainly put my hand in my pocket to help fund them!
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one place in britain ive never been is scotland. :)
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one place in britain ive never been is scotland. :)
It's somewhere you need to go ..... you have to remember though that places like Edinburgh & Glasgow are just at the start. There's a lot more driving if you want to see Inverness & Aberdeen etc
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There are afaik lots of remote islands off the coast,particularily the Scottish coast,we should make use of them as prisons. .......
I somehow don't think the Jocks would agree with you though. :-?
Agree, I wouldnt agree, some really nice scenery up there as it is....
Just shoot em :y
As for leaving it to the police - ive tried over 3 years to report 3 crimes with no impact and no visability of an officer.
So if it needs anarchy, or martial law or vigilante groups to curb crime so be it.
I would certainly put my hand in my pocket to help fund them!
Best to remember who these vigilantes really are.
They are not some sort of alternative to the regular police.
They are more than likely a bunch of uneducated..unintelligent..hateful ...racist thugs.
Let us not glamourise these people .
Best to see them for what they really are. :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Read somewhere he was coming onto a 2 year old and that he was warned off by pub regulars.
I have no sympathy - what he did was horrific and he paid the price.
Why should they be racist, possibly uneducated, possibly thugs, most likely fathers or mothers - actually I think mothers can go more mad then fathers with child protection.
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one place in britain ive never been is scotland. :)
I can highly recommend the A89 up to Inverness :y It does the full eastern coast of Loch Ness.
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I agree entirely, trouble is any retribution is illegal. So how do we resolve such issues? Well, every 4-5 years we vote en-mass, the 'Law Makers' most commonly known as 'politicians. Some would say 'wasters' and people who can't get a proper job.
Next time there's an election looming and a git knocks your door and requests your vote, ask them to put in writing their views on sentencing of paedo's. Then you can make an informed choice of whether or not to vote for that candidate.
Personally I think, castration, electric shocks to the brain and testicals followed by a long lingering slow and humiliating death, is the way to go.
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Two wrongs do not make a right, and can lead to innocent parties getting hurt, including now those who committed this crime and will hopefully serve many years in prison themselves. I hope they still think it was worth it then! :P :P
Which historical genius formulated that equation? I think they were way off.
Lol....so -1 + -1 does not equal -2.....[/quote]
Exactly Mark, two negatives equal negative, and a society not in positive but in chaos! ::) ::) ;)
I don't think you can judge how you would feel until it happened to you. before i had the boys i wouldnt have given a toss! now it seems that i would seek revenge, not necessarily something i'm proud of but we can all have our opinions.
Sometimes get the impression that we are already in chaos.
That's exactly it Ljay. Where your kids are concerned, animal instinct takes over.
Not with all of us, and I had three children and when there was a problem it was always left to the police rather than my hubby reducing himself to the other parties level! :D ;)
Thats not surprising! I wouldn't hesitate to defend my own at any cost though, no need to leave it to police or hubby! Each to their own though!Personally have had little joy from the police the few times we have involved them! >:(
What does that mean?!! :-? :-?
What, that I am in support of law and order, not mob rule?! >:(
Thank God I do feel like that, often working with the police and keekping our streets free of people who believe in anachy!
But as you say Ljay, everyone to their own! :-X :-X
Nothing meant Lizzie, just that we are aware of your stand point on these things as part of your job role and therefore wouldn't expect you to see it from a would be vigilante (should the need arise) point of view!
As for improving things via the ballot box, not going to happen in time to protect my children so pardon me for not sharing your faith in politics.
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Two wrongs do not make a right, and can lead to innocent parties getting hurt, including now those who committed this crime and will hopefully serve many years in prison themselves. I hope they still think it was worth it then! :P :P
Which historical genius formulated that equation? I think they were way off.
Lol....so -1 + -1 does not equal -2.....[/quote]
Exactly Mark, two negatives equal negative, and a society not in positive but in chaos! ::) ::) ;)
I don't think you can judge how you would feel until it happened to you. before i had the boys i wouldnt have given a toss! now it seems that i would seek revenge, not necessarily something i'm proud of but we can all have our opinions.
Sometimes get the impression that we are already in chaos.
That's exactly it Ljay. Where your kids are concerned, animal instinct takes over.
Not with all of us, and I had three children and when there was a problem it was always left to the police rather than my hubby reducing himself to the other parties level! :D ;)
Thats not surprising! I wouldn't hesitate to defend my own at any cost though, no need to leave it to police or hubby! Each to their own though!Personally have had little joy from the police the few times we have involved them! >:(
What does that mean?!! :-? :-?
What, that I am in support of law and order, not mob rule?! >:(
Thank God I do feel like that, often working with the police and keekping our streets free of people who believe in anachy!
But as you say Ljay, everyone to their own! :-X :-X
Nothing meant Lizzie, just that we are aware of your stand point on these things as part of your job role and therefore wouldn't expect you to see it from a would be vigilante (should the need arise) point of view!
As for improving things via the ballot box, not going to happen in time to protect my children so pardon me for not sharing your faith in politics.
Fair enough Ljay! :y :y
I haven't got faith in our politicians either, so I am hoping one day in the not too distant future to do something about it! 8-) ;) But I can quite understand that for you and your childrens sake you need something to change now. 8-) 8-)
I just wish I could make it happen like that for you and all us British people! :) ;)
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Fair enough Ljay! :y :y
I haven't got faith in our politicians either, so I am hoping one day in the not too distant future to do something about it! 8-) ;) But I can quite understand that for you and your childrens sake you need something to change now. 8-) 8-)
I just wish I could make it happen like that for you and all us British people! :) ;)
I do, to an extent- when an MP's child is raped - we will see the laws tightened
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This is simply a personal observation:
It`s a shame that such perversions seem to bring out the worst in our society; why should the actions of such clearly intractably-deviant individuals make us so ready (as a society) to cast off our own moral-decency and be so-quick to condone or even resort to violence against such sex-offenders?
IMHO: 'Chemical' castration and total lifetime removal from access to society (in a specialist, sex-offender`s prison) would surely-suffice to protect the innocent; whilst not needing 'us' to drop to the deviant`s morally debased level.
But then why should the hard working tax payer be forced too support these people for the rest of there natural lives.
Surely the money saved could be used in much better ways...schools...hospitals ect ect.
If someone is guilty (without any doubt) then they should be dealt with in a fitting manner...death.
As a parent i dont know if i could cope knowing one of my kids had been abused. :'(
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one place in britain ive never been is scotland. :)
I can highly recommend the A89 up to Inverness :y It does the full eastern coast of Loch Ness.
m8 ive worked with in london on and off for last 12 yrs went home to inverness, keeps asking me to go up, probably will in the new yr.
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This is simply a personal observation:
It`s a shame that such perversions seem to bring out the worst in our society; why should the actions of such clearly intractably-deviant individuals make us so ready (as a society) to cast off our own moral-decency and be so-quick to condone or even resort to violence against such sex-offenders?
IMHO: 'Chemical' castration and total lifetime removal from access to society (in a specialist, sex-offender`s prison) would surely-suffice to protect the innocent; whilst not needing 'us' to drop to the deviant`s morally debased level.
But then why should the hard working tax payer be forced too support these people for the rest of there natural lives.
Surely the money saved could be used in much better ways...schools...hospitals ect ect.
If someone is guilty (without any doubt) then they should be dealt with in a fitting manner...death.
As a parent i dont know if i could cope knowing one of my kids had been abused. :'(
And don't forget the new identity, friggin fortune I bet :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(