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Title: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Nickbat on 11 December 2008, 22:06:37
Don't know if this has been posted before (apologies if it has), but this is a great video of the Vulcan at Waddington in July 08. That rate of climb after rotation is just breathtaking...  :y

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircraft_Avro_Vulcan-Airline_Private_Aviation_Video-10603.html  
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 11 December 2008, 22:16:16
Sorry Nickbat, but where abouts on this site is the Vulcan video please? :-? ;)
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: alexandjen on 11 December 2008, 22:17:09
Nice :y

Typical Vulcan take off, nice tail chase with the Lanc 8-)

Last time I saw those  bomb doors open it said farewell inside
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: alexandjen on 11 December 2008, 22:19:08
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Sorry Nickbat, but where abouts on this site is the Vulcan video please? :-? ;)

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircraft_Avro_Vulcan-Airline_Private_Aviation_Video-10603.html
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Nickbat on 11 December 2008, 22:30:35
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Sorry Nickbat, but where abouts on this site is the Vulcan video please? :-? ;)

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircraft_Avro_Vulcan-Airline_Private_Aviation_Video-10603.html

Have you found it yet, Lizzie?
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 11 December 2008, 22:32:09
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Sorry Nickbat, but where abouts on this site is the Vulcan video please? :-? ;)

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircraft_Avro_Vulcan-Airline_Private_Aviation_Video-10603.htm  l


Click the yellow highlighted bit Lizzie.      :-X :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 11 December 2008, 22:32:41
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Sorry Nickbat, but where abouts on this site is the Vulcan video please? :-? ;)

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircraft_Avro_Vulcan-Airline_Private_Aviation_Video-10603.html

Have you found it yet, Lizzie?

No I have not thanks Nickbat!  I am clicking all over the site, even where it mentions "vulcan", but not finding any video of it! ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 11 December 2008, 22:38:02
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Sorry Nickbat, but where abouts on this site is the Vulcan video please? :-? ;)

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircraft_Avro_Vulcan-Airline_Private_Aviation_Video-10603.htm  l


Click the yellow highlighted bit Lizzie.      :-X :-X :-X :-X

Yes I obviously know that! ::) ::) ::)

I get to the first page and where to from there? :-?



Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Ken T on 11 December 2008, 22:48:57
Amazing, the rate of climb is almost up with the Lightning, damn close  :y
Britain designed and built some amazing aircraft, shame the whitehall bunch didn't support the aviation industry.  :'(

Another brilliant british aircraft was the de Havilland Mosquito, made partially from laminated ply. One of the companies building the front was  Parker Knoll, the chair manufacturer ;D.  

It was very fast; the spitfire and hurricane had one Rolls Royce engine, it had 2  :y :y

yet another example of brilliant engineering.

Ken
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Nickbat on 11 December 2008, 22:49:43
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Sorry Nickbat, but where abouts on this site is the Vulcan video please? :-? ;)

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircraft_Avro_Vulcan-Airline_Private_Aviation_Video-10603.html

Have you found it yet, Lizzie?

No I have not thanks Nickbat!  I am clicking all over the site, even where it mentions "vulcan", but not finding any video of it! ::) ::) ::)


If the link doesn't work for you, Lizzie, try the drop-downs from the homepage: Search Videos>Video Index>Aircraft Index>A> Avro Vulcan.  :y
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: hans solo on 11 December 2008, 22:55:11
Great vid. nice to hear that sound again.  :y
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 11 December 2008, 23:03:10
Here's annother one Lizzie.  Just for you.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fKj6lZ4jtyw
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Nickbat on 11 December 2008, 23:11:41
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Amazing, the rate of climb is almost up with the Lightning, damn close  :y
Britain designed and built some amazing aircraft, shame the whitehall bunch didn't support the aviation industry.  :'(

Another brilliant british aircraft was the de Havilland Mosquito, made partially from laminated ply. One of the companies building the front was  Parker Knoll, the chair manufacturer ;D.  

It was very fast; the spitfire and hurricane had one Rolls Royce engine, it had 2  :y :y

yet another example of brilliant engineering.

Ken


Ahhhhhh, the Lightning.  :y :y

I'm feeling like Homer Simpson does about donuts!  ;D

Try this:

http://www.flightschoollist.com/blog/?p=937  :y
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 12 December 2008, 08:15:47
Two things worthy of note about XH558 in its current guise.

1) Its a lot lighter then she was under RAF days, gone are loads of wiring, all the radar systems, electronic counter measures and a whole host of other bits

2) During 2008 they have not been 'pushing her'......so in that shot whe wont have been on 100% throittle by any means

There was a comment on the TVOC site from some of the techies who have re-built her (in particular one of the sooties) that her power to weight is now such that in theory she could achieve true vertical flight!

How true this is I guess is questionable.

I do remember during the final stages of the major service them having major problems getting her all balanced and had to add some 'red slab' radar to the nose (a bloody great lump of steel!) in order to replace some lost weight!
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 12 December 2008, 09:55:48
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Here's annother one Lizzie.  Just for you.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fKj6lZ4jtyw

Thanks Skruntie[ bloody lovel :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*y!!
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 12 December 2008, 10:00:01
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Sorry Nickbat, but where abouts on this site is the Vulcan video please? :-? ;)

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircraft_Avro_Vulcan-Airline_Private_Aviation_Video-10603.html

Have you found it yet, Lizzie?

No I have not thanks Nickbat!  I am clicking all over the site, even where it mentions "vulcan", but not finding any video of it! ::) ::) ::)


If the link doesn't work for you, Lizzie, try the drop-downs from the homepage: Search Videos>Video Index>Aircraft Index>A> Avro Vulcan.  :y

Thanks Nickbat that has worked!

I have just spent some considerable time watching these lovely machines and getting very emotional remembering my childhood back to the Farnborough Air Show in 1959, to Malta during 1962-64 seeing them there constantly, then at airshows and on film since then.   Many happy and very sad memories associated with this aircraft. :'( :'( :'( 8-) 8-) 8-) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)

The men who flew them were gorgeous too! :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* ;)
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: tunnie on 12 December 2008, 10:24:59
does anyone know what happened to XH607, was it scrapped?  :( :'(
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Entwood on 12 December 2008, 10:27:02
She was "gate guard" at Waddington for some while .. if its not there now I've no idea .. :(

http://www.bbc.co.uk/lincolnshire/content/image_galleries/loving_lincolnshire_2008_gallery.shtml?24
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 12 December 2008, 11:24:09
You mean XM607....which is still at waddington:

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2357/2207787246_36100d0e83_b.jpg)
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Nickbat on 12 December 2008, 11:36:23
Apparently there's also XM655 at Wellesbourne Mountford, wherever that is (!), and it was doing high speed taxi runs as recently as June 2006.

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircraft_Avro_Vulcan-Airline_Royal_Air_Force_Aviation_Video-6600.html

Like the way it sets off the car alarms!  ;D
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Entwood on 12 December 2008, 11:37:15
This is one of my favourites, both the beauties at once .. :

(http://www.milairpix.com/vulcan08/wv08-7997.jpg)
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 12 December 2008, 11:37:50
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Apparently there's also XM655 at Wellesbourne Mountford, wherever that is (!), and it was doing high speed taxi runs as recently as June 2006.

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircraft_Avro_Vulcan-Airline_Royal_Air_Force_Aviation_Video-6600.html

Like the way it sets off the car alarms!  ;D

Yep, still does the fast Taxis at Wellsbourne (just south of Warwick).

She is unusual as she has the more powerful 301 engines fitted!
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Nickbat on 12 December 2008, 11:42:35
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Apparently there's also XM655 at Wellesbourne Mountford, wherever that is (!), and it was doing high speed taxi runs as recently as June 2006.

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircraft_Avro_Vulcan-Airline_Royal_Air_Force_Aviation_Video-6600.html

Like the way it sets off the car alarms!  ;D

Yep, still does the fast Taxis at Wellsbourne (just south of Warwick).

She is unusual as she has the more powerful 301 engines fitted!


Could she ever get a certificate of airworthiness or is she destined to live out her days running up and down the strip?
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 12 December 2008, 11:44:42
Much bigger job and more cash then required to get XH558 up!

Plus, the lack of servicable 301 power plants will be  BIG issue. XH558 had the 8 last 0 time 201 engines which is a key thing that got her back in the air and will be the one thing that will ground her again.

And Rolls Royce (Bristol) will not , service or re-build them.
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Martin_1962 on 12 December 2008, 12:17:00
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Much bigger job and more cash then required to get XH558 up!

Plus, the lack of servicable 301 power plants will be  BIG issue. XH558 had the 8 last 0 time 201 engines which is a key thing that got her back in the air and will be the one thing that will ground her again.

And Rolls Royce (Bristol) will not , service or re-build them.

Why not?

Good PR I'd say
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 12 December 2008, 12:24:30
Many reasons we are told....

1) They no longer have the expertise
2) They no longer have the tooling
3) They no longer have the parts.

The best they can do is offer an inspection to assess the condition and as a result extend the flying hours (they are actualy rated in cycles)
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: tunnie on 12 December 2008, 12:26:51
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You mean XM607....which is still at waddington:

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2357/2207787246_36100d0e83_b.jpg)

I see they removed the bodged on Dash 10!
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Martin_1962 on 12 December 2008, 12:28:42
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Many reasons we are told....

1) They no longer have the expertise
2) They no longer have the tooling
3) They no longer have the parts.

The best they can do is offer an inspection to assess the condition and as a result extend the flying hours (they are actualy rated in cycles)


Hmm same issues as a Diesel loco preservationists are getting, staff retired companies, shut down, limited spares
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 12 December 2008, 12:34:48
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Many reasons we are told....

1) They no longer have the expertise
2) They no longer have the tooling
3) They no longer have the parts.

The best they can do is offer an inspection to assess the condition and as a result extend the flying hours (they are actualy rated in cycles)


Hmm same issues as a Diesel loco preservationists are getting, staff retired companies, shut down, limited spares


Should be able to re-furb and re-make most items of a diesel unit though.

Even if you could get the parts made for a 201 or 301.....without Rolls Royce underwriting thier use then you cant use them for flight sadly....and they wont do that unless they made them
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Martin_1962 on 12 December 2008, 12:50:43
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Many reasons we are told....

1) They no longer have the expertise
2) They no longer have the tooling
3) They no longer have the parts.

The best they can do is offer an inspection to assess the condition and as a result extend the flying hours (they are actualy rated in cycles)


Hmm same issues as a Diesel loco preservationists are getting, staff retired companies, shut down, limited spares


Should be able to re-furb and re-make most items of a diesel unit though.

Even if you could get the parts made for a 201 or 301.....without Rolls Royce underwriting thier use then you cant use them for flight sadly....and they wont do that unless they made them

That is pretty bad really - especially as RR are supposed to like their heritage (or is it because it is Bristol)
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 12 December 2008, 14:40:01
I would simply love to see again three Vulcans taking off together and flying in formation! :-* :-* :-* :-* ;)

We have achieved the "impossible" in railway preservation, so why not in aviation! :-? :-? ;)
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 12 December 2008, 15:13:36
Lol, possibly because trains dont have a minimum (reasonable) speed and also have a low risk of falling out the sky and hitting things....  :y
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: webby23 on 12 December 2008, 18:13:51
Fantastic video.......fabulous plane....
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: tunnie on 12 December 2008, 18:29:44
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Lol, possibly because trains dont have a minimum (reasonable) speed and also have a low risk of falling out the sky and hitting things....  :y

I also doubt even the biggest of the diesel locos could burn 10,000 Lbs of fuel in an hour!  
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 12 December 2008, 18:37:26
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Lol, possibly because trains dont have a minimum (reasonable) speed and also have a low risk of falling out the sky and hitting things....  :y

I also doubt even the biggest of the diesel locos could burn 10,000 Lbs of fuel in an hour!  

No Tunnie, but a steam engine can burn 5 tons of coal in a day!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)


Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: alexandjen on 12 December 2008, 20:02:07
RAF at 90 tonight 9pm BBC 2 :y
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: tunnie on 12 December 2008, 20:17:38
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Lol, possibly because trains dont have a minimum (reasonable) speed and also have a low risk of falling out the sky and hitting things....  :y

I also doubt even the biggest of the diesel locos could burn 10,000 Lbs of fuel in an hour!  

No Tunnie, but a steam engine can burn 5 tons of coal in a day!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)



According to google it says 10,000 lb is about 5 short tons??

So what a train burns in a day, take a Vulcan just 1 hour, and thats empty, fully loaded can burn 13,500 lbs an hour!
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 12 December 2008, 20:41:11
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Lol, possibly because trains dont have a minimum (reasonable) speed and also have a low risk of falling out the sky and hitting things....  :y

I also doubt even the biggest of the diesel locos could burn 10,000 Lbs of fuel in an hour!  

No Tunnie, but a steam engine can burn 5 tons of coal in a day!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)



According to google it says 10,000 lb is about 5 short tons??

So what a train burns in a day, take a Vulcan just 1 hour, and thats empty, fully loaded can burn 13,500 lbs an hour!

That's what I was joking about Tunnie, that a steam engine takes all day to burn 5 tons of coal; just a comparison as the mention of diesel railway engines had been made. 8-) 8-) ::) ::) ::) ;D ;)

I cannot leave steam engines out of a discussion on railway engines! ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: dispondent 1 on 20 December 2008, 12:40:28
stick some 593s in there !
i know theirs some ov them laying around! ;D
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: dispondent 1 on 20 December 2008, 12:41:28
every one forgot the tsr2?
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Martin_1962 on 20 December 2008, 14:28:45
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stick some 593s in there !
i know theirs some ov them laying around! ;D


Need a couple for XR220 first
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Martin_1962 on 20 December 2008, 14:28:56
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every one forgot the tsr2?


No we haven't
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: r1 on 20 December 2008, 22:23:48
its a plane
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Post by: bighed on 20 December 2008, 22:58:48
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its a plane


OH DEAR DAMN IT, NO RUN AND HIDES SMILIE
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: VXL V6 on 20 December 2008, 23:02:47
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its a plane

It's a plane that was built for a specific purpose (hence has earned it's place in the history books) and showed the true brilliance of British Engineering. It also spearheaded the development of certain other planes that also now have a place in history.
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Martin_1962 on 20 December 2008, 23:19:39
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its a plane

It's a plane that was built for a specific purpose (hence has earned it's place in the history books) and showed the true brilliance of British Engineering. It also spearheaded the development of certain other planes that also now have a place in history.


Does he mean TSR-2 or VUlcan?
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: dispondent 1 on 21 December 2008, 09:49:50
politicians, All the same! tsr2 axed, concorde axed,vulcan axed ! :(
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: dispondent 1 on 21 December 2008, 10:01:40
climbe rate vulcan , 5000 fpm , lightning , 50,000 fpm, close enough !
yea just leave a nought out! ;D
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Kevin Wood on 21 December 2008, 10:04:43
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its a plane

It's a plane that was built for a specific purpose (hence has earned it's place in the history books) and showed the true brilliance of British Engineering. It also spearheaded the development of certain other planes that also now have a place in history.

Exactly the reason why the Vulcan went out of service when ICBMs appeared. It had no job to do. And why that lumbering old crate from the same era the B52 lives on!

Kevin
Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: Ken T on 21 December 2008, 13:05:39
A quote from Sir Sydney Camm :

"All modern aircraft have four dimensions: span, length, height and politics. TSR.2 simply got the first three right."

Ken

Title: Re: XH558 Vulcan video
Post by: dispondent 1 on 22 December 2008, 00:07:30
ken tsr2 got the first 3 very right, some one took a very big back hander!