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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: JamesV6CDX on 30 December 2008, 17:24:00
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Has anyone here ever done a cambelt kit and waterpump change....
.... on a Peugeot 406 Turbo Diesel?
I did one a couple of years ago, but don't remember much about it. All I remember is that the engine mount had to come off and the engine supported - and there are bolts to lock the pulleys on the diesel pump and the camshaft.
I don't recall it was too much of a headache, but can't remember much. It's the old mechanical XUD engine (bulletproof slug!) and I did it alone, so can't be that complicated.
I have one to change (not for a client) over the next few days or maybe this weekend, so need to read up on the procedure. I'd like to hear from anyone who's done one recently :y
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if that was the same piece of shit lump fitted to older rovers, can't recall anything difficult about it.
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Strangley enough i`ve just taken one of these in....
Bulletproof as you say - its on 192k on a 1999 plate and sounds fine.
As for cambelt - doesnt seem to awkward or problematic although you could be right about he engine mount ( looks similar to Veccy`s position wise)
I`ll see if the previous owner did the belt themselves and report back :y
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Strangley enough i`ve just taken one of these in....
Bulletproof as you say - its on 192k on a 1999 plate and sounds fine.
As for cambelt - doesnt seem to awkward or problematic although you could be right about he engine mount ( looks similar to Veccy`s position wise)
I`ll see if the previous owner did the belt themselves and report back :y
Are you breaking it? :y
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Yup, eventually, theres 2 in front of it :y
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Yup, eventually, theres 2 in front of it :y
Saloon or estate? What's wrong with it?
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Yup, eventually, theres 2 in front of it :y
Saloon or estate? What's wrong with it?
nothing much, body has some dings, failed MOT suggests it needs discs & pads all round, back & mid section of exhaust, a tyre and a cv joint.
Pricing up on top of the car (cost £135) means max i would get back would be £300ish profit, assuming and paying for re test, theres more in breaking it.
Its a saloon, and manual.
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lol i have one of those horrible haynes rip off books, from what i read (was looking at a 405 a while back before i got the mega :P) and its just a case of getting between the wheelarch and the side of the engine and jacking the engine up off the engine mount as the belt loops round the bottom of the mount lol- im glad the engines the right way round in omegas :P
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As long as it's a 1.9, not a 2.1TD...somewhat tighter with one of those in, ISTR..or am i thinking of head gaskets?
Could be the head actually - engine needs to come out, i think [smiley=shocked.gif]
Can't see it being any different to a Xantia - in which case, what TB said...just make sure you get all 3 locking pins in before you start! I've heard that sometimes one of them won't quite line up (crank, i think..) but its nothing to worry about. Some XUD's are just like that!
Oh..and remember to remove them afterwards...
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1.9 Is Bomb Proof there are issues with the alternator mounts smashing to pieces !
2.1 is an older citroen engine that can be traced back along time!
HDi Engines are even better despite what people say all the taxis in hereford are HDi 406's
TB do you mean the Rover 2.0 TD engine fitted as fitted in the 620D??? as thats a BL engine
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done that engine timing belt 3 times all in under 1 hour.
1 pug 306 dturbo 1997
1 pug 405 ??? 1996 it was a mates 1.9 diesel
1 rover 218sd 1996
yes have to lift engine mounting to thread through but only a trolley jack and extra few mins. could save you loads of time if i could remember right size drillbit to lock cam and pump
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1.9 Is Bomb Proof there are issues with the alternator mounts smashing to pieces !
2.1 is an older citroen engine that can be traced back along time!
HDi Engines are even better despite what people say all the taxis in hereford are HDi 406's
TB do you mean the Rover 2.0 TD engine fitted as fitted in the 620D??? as thats a BL engine
No, not the Rover L Series 2.0TD - quite a good engine in its time.
I meant the rather gutless, uneconomical Pug 1.8TD used before the 2.0TD was available.
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1.9 Is Bomb Proof there are issues with the alternator mounts smashing to pieces !
2.1 is an older citroen engine that can be traced back along time!
HDi Engines are even better despite what people say all the taxis in hereford are HDi 406's
TB do you mean the Rover 2.0 TD engine fitted as fitted in the 620D??? as thats a BL engine
No, not the Rover L Series 2.0TD - quite a good engine in its time.
I meant the rather gutless, uneconomical Pug 1.8TD used before the 2.0TD was available.
rover 218sd was slow gutless and utterly prone to rust. but was very very economical
as my miggy tractor is on corner of drive awaiting attention i'm running 1997 400rover 2.0tdi(bmw) and it runs on very little fuel but is rapidly rusting away
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1.9 Is Bomb Proof there are issues with the alternator mounts smashing to pieces !
2.1 is an older citroen engine that can be traced back along time!
HDi Engines are even better despite what people say all the taxis in hereford are HDi 406's
TB do you mean the Rover 2.0 TD engine fitted as fitted in the 620D??? as thats a BL engine
No, not the Rover L Series 2.0TD - quite a good engine in its time.
I meant the rather gutless, uneconomical Pug 1.8TD used before the 2.0TD was available.
rover 218sd was slow gutless and utterly prone to rust. but was very very economical
as my miggy tractor is on corner of drive awaiting attention i'm running 1997 400rover 2.0tdi(bmw) and it runs on very little fuel but is rapidly rusting away
I found the 1.8TD to return poor economy, certainly compared to the Rover 2.0TD L series (which was a Rover design, not BMW). No BMW engines made it into Rover, with the exception of the somewhat suspect 2.5TD us Omega owners know and love/hate. BMW did not want to technology share with Rover, only glean technology from Rover (particularly 4x4, and mass production techniques).
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The Rover 75 and Freelander (ok, not Rover at that point) diesels were (yet again) detuned BMW lumps..
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The Rover 75 and Freelander (ok, not Rover at that point) diesels were (yet again) detuned BMW lumps..
Freelander used L series and TD5 (Rover 2.5TD, a variation of L series with 5 cylinders and different management system, and planned to be a series of different sized diesels), pretty certain the 75 used the same L series (2.0D) and TD5 (2.5D), but will stand corrected on that.
Certainly, the only BMW engine to go in Rover/LR was the 2.5TD 6cyl that was fitted to the Range Rover 2.5D only
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rover 20t2n & 20t2r are both bmw designs which share many design and components as the 6 cylinder which has many codes but is known to us oofers as u25td, x25td, or our euro late owners y25td
the ecu under the bonnet is in same alu casing as miggy too
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Dean - how do you tension the belt, on the 406 TD? :y
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1.9 Is Bomb Proof there are issues with the alternator mounts smashing to pieces !
2.1 is an older citroen engine that can be traced back along time!
HDi Engines are even better despite what people say all the taxis in hereford are HDi 406's
TB do you mean the Rover 2.0 TD engine fitted as fitted in the 620D??? as thats a BL engine
I looked at the HDi - but, they seem to eat up expensive FAP filters (£500 a pop) and requre the device filling at £19 / litre. I've also read of numerous engine management issues on them - which is why for the sake of 5mpg less, I thought the mechanical 1.9TD might be a better bet....
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rover 20t2n & 20t2r are both bmw designs which share many design and components as the 6 cylinder which has many codes but is known to us oofers as u25td, x25td, or our euro late owners y25td
the ecu under the bonnet is in same alu casing as miggy too
20t2 is the L series designation isn't it? L series is most definatively a Rover design, a development of the earlier Rover 2.0 diesels fitted to Montego crap. L series is not BMW (nor is TD5), though does use similar Bosch DDE ECU as BMW's 6 cylinder design. TD5 uses a very different Lucas ECU.
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tension pulley on like a cam and tighten but may not be so true as it is over 7years since did one and slept a good few hours since :-[
better than on my embarssingly owned tdi escort which i managed to be a tooth out on fuel pump but managed to put right on pump timing without putting belt right ;D
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rover 20t2n & 20t2r are both bmw designs which share many design and components as the 6 cylinder which has many codes but is known to us oofers as u25td, x25td, or our euro late owners y25td
the ecu under the bonnet is in same alu casing as miggy too
20t2 is the L series designation isn't it? L series is most definatively a Rover design, a development of the earlier Rover 2.0 diesels fitted to Montego crap. L series is not BMW (nor is TD5), though does use similar Bosch DDE ECU as BMW's 6 cylinder design. TD5 uses a very different Lucas ECU.
L series (may be wrong) i am led to believe was based on "perkins" design which fitted the montego and maestrovan
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rover 20t2n & 20t2r are both bmw designs which share many design and components as the 6 cylinder which has many codes but is known to us oofers as u25td, x25td, or our euro late owners y25td
the ecu under the bonnet is in same alu casing as miggy too
20t2 is the L series designation isn't it? L series is most definatively a Rover design, a development of the earlier Rover 2.0 diesels fitted to Montego crap. L series is not BMW (nor is TD5), though does use similar Bosch DDE ECU as BMW's 6 cylinder design. TD5 uses a very different Lucas ECU.
L series (may be wrong) i am led to believe was based on "perkins" design which fitted the montego and maestrovan
L series is a direct injection develoopment of the montego diesel, which I think you are correct was perkins. Its an exclusive rover design, shared only with Rover's running mate, Honda, before BMW screwed up that relationship.
I am pretty certain the 20t2 engine designation refers to the L series :-/
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rover 20t2n & 20t2r are both bmw designs which share many design and components as the 6 cylinder which has many codes but is known to us oofers as u25td, x25td, or our euro late owners y25td
the ecu under the bonnet is in same alu casing as miggy too
20t2 is the L series designation isn't it? L series is most definatively a Rover design, a development of the earlier Rover 2.0 diesels fitted to Montego crap. L series is not BMW (nor is TD5), though does use similar Bosch DDE ECU as BMW's 6 cylinder design. TD5 uses a very different Lucas ECU.
L series (may be wrong) i am led to believe was based on "perkins" design which fitted the montego and maestrovan
L series is a direct injection develoopment of the montego diesel, which I think you are correct was perkins. Its an exclusive rover design, shared only with Rover's running mate, Honda, before BMW screwed up that relationship.
I am pretty certain the 20t2 engine designation refers to the L series :-/
only drove the rover tractor since 7december and not even serviced it yet but all seems similar design(minus a couple of pots)to 2.5tdmiggy.
ignition timing (miggycode81) is on injector1 on rover but on injector4 on miggy but all data seems to go to and from ecu in same ideas
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rover 20t2n & 20t2r are both bmw designs which share many design and components as the 6 cylinder which has many codes but is known to us oofers as u25td, x25td, or our euro late owners y25td
the ecu under the bonnet is in same alu casing as miggy too
20t2 is the L series designation isn't it? L series is most definatively a Rover design, a development of the earlier Rover 2.0 diesels fitted to Montego crap. L series is not BMW (nor is TD5), though does use similar Bosch DDE ECU as BMW's 6 cylinder design. TD5 uses a very different Lucas ECU.
L series (may be wrong) i am led to believe was based on "perkins" design which fitted the montego and maestrovan
L series is a direct injection develoopment of the montego diesel, which I think you are correct was perkins. Its an exclusive rover design, shared only with Rover's running mate, Honda, before BMW screwed up that relationship.
I am pretty certain the 20t2 engine designation refers to the L series :-/
only drove the rover tractor since 7december and not even serviced it yet but all seems similar design(minus a couple of pots)to 2.5tdmiggy.
ignition timing (miggycode81) is on injector1 on rover but on injector4 on miggy but all data seems to go to and from ecu in same ideas
Thats because it uses the same basic ECU - Bosch DDE - and thus the same array of sensors. Other than the fact that both engines use the same 3rd party supplier for the engine management, the engines are entirely unrelated.
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Later Rover 2/4/600's used the L series which is the Perkins based ex-O series engine.
Rover 75 used the M47 BMW engine (confirmed by a BMW Tech who looked at a 75 engine bay).
The Freelander diesel (from 2000 onwards; Td4) was also the BMW unit as when MGR/Powertrain went bump, all Landrover could sell was Diesel Freelanders as they couldn't get any petrol engines.
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James, IIRCC you want a couple of M4(?) bolts to lock pump and crank... Easy job though! :y :y
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James, IIRCC you want a couple of M4(?) bolts to lock pump and crank... Easy job though! :y :y
Good stuff. Thanks mate :y