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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: amigov6 on 13 February 2009, 21:57:26
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If towing a small van (under 7 ft wide) would you need gay mirror extensions on your mig (which is pretty wide anyway) or can you do without? Also what is a leisure battery please? I'm guessing it's one you charge up & will last a day or two running lights, fridge etc on 12 volt.
Lastly, sorry Jamie, i know these are high on your gay list but i've had enough of tenting it's just not for me i'm afraid. I see you've had a bit of a rough trot today so if you can leave my posts i'll never mock sat navs again...promise....no really i won't. If not well ho hum but i needed the advice so i'll take my chances!!! :-/
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A leisure battery is a deep cycle 12 volt battery, akin to a car battery, but with greater long time charge/recharge capabilities.
Mirrors - Required, if the towing vehicle mirrors are of a lesser track than the trailer width - just like a waggon and box/drag. If the tractor unit is wider than the trailer - happy days.
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If towing a small van (under 7 ft wide) would you need gay mirror extensions on your mig (which is pretty wide anyway) or can you do without? Also what is a leisure battery please? I'm guessing it's one you charge up & will last a day or two running lights, fridge etc on 12 volt.
Lastly, sorry Jamie, i know these are high on your gay list but i've had enough of tenting it's just not for me i'm afraid. I see you've had a bit of a rough trot today so if you can leave my posts i'll never mock sat navs again...promise....no really i won't. If not well ho hum but i needed the advice so i'll take my chances!!! :-/
To start with... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Anyway... Ruling on mirrors is "a clear view down the side of the trailer." I would advise extensions anyway as they will make the manoeuvring much easier and will prevent any awkward moments with Mr Plod :y :y :y
Leisure batteries are designed to be deep cycled without detriment... i.e. Full charge to empty repeatedly. It's a completely different animal to a standard car battery
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Oh.... And you'll never regret joining the "Tin Tent" brigade :y :y :y
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Not planning on joining the caravan club as a side of me is'nt keen on them, not spending much, all i need is a bed & kitchen, running cold water will do, i'll buy a whistle kettle for the stove. OOF meets have showers/toilet facilities.
What does a leisure battery run/power, does it charge at home on a trickle charge through a normal charger, where do you get one & how much do they cost?
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I think T.B would recommend that you don't run to the expense of mirror extensions and deep cycle batteries just invest in half a gallon of petrol and a match ::) ;)
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Borrow a couple off yer Lolvo.
They should keep you in leccy for a while.
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Not planning on joining the caravan club as a side of me is'nt keen on them, not spending much, all i need is a bed & kitchen, running cold water will do, i'll buy a whistle kettle for the stove. OOF meets have showers/toilet facilities.
What does a leisure battery run/power, does it charge at home on a trickle charge through a normal charger, where do you get one & how much do they cost?
The battery runs any 12 volt gubbins you want, generally lights and a fridge. You can also do without and do the Ye Olde gas lamps/mantles bit but I think the 12volt lamps and mini spots are just the job.
Battery can be charged at home and left to do for the weekend without recharge but, as always, the more thats pluged in, the less time a full charge will last.
You can get charging relays etc fitted so that the battery charges whilst towing and also, a 240 volt hookup when on site and art of that will trickle the battery. this would need the correct wiring etc however. not something that i personally am very good with.... :y
ps - beastie only has the wiring for standard towing lights etc, not the aux plug to power battery recharge and fridge, so you would need that doing as well.... ;)
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http://www.tayna.co.uk/Leisure-Batteries-C45.html
Not the cheapest place about but very good service :y :y :y
Wasn't suggesting C&C club... TBH I haven't joined because I think you need to do approx 18 mights to regain the outlay for membership ::) ::)
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Seriously though how would an HGV battery do, if Guy has access to those from work.
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Seriously though how would an HGV battery do, if Guy has access to those from work.
I reckon he'd have issues getting it in the space reserved for the battery ::) ::) ::)
Oh... And it may go through the floor... Have you seen the size of them :o :o ;) ;)
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Seriously though how would an HGV battery do, if Guy has access to those from work.
Would think the main problem is gassing from the charge/discharge and lack of adequate venting. Waggon batteries are intended to llive out in the open with no more than a splash cover over the top. A 'van battery sits in a (virtually) sealed compartment on/in the side of the van and thus gasses can get into the cabin.
Size is possibly also an issue, let alone the deep cycle/recharge bit.... Could be worth a shot, but would be wary of the venting/gas bit.....
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Seriously though how would an HGV battery do, if Guy has access to those from work.
I reckon he'd have issues getting it in the space reserved for the battery ::) ::) ::)
Oh... And it may go through the floor... Have you seen the size of them :o :o ;) ;)
Yup I've lugged em on and off the carriers on artics before now.
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Seriously though how would an HGV battery do, if Guy has access to those from work.
think there often 24 v also needs to fit in the battery compartment on the van so not too big I'm afraid
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Seriously though how would an HGV battery do, if Guy has access to those from work.
think there often 24 v also needs to fit in the battery compartment on the van so not too big I'm afraid
Nope... 12V batteries x 2 in series :y :y :y :y
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Mains hook up will be fine if it's there. I've no intention of interefering with the Beasties arterial system, towing lights will suffice. Battery won't need to do too much for too long so should suffice. Gas stove, candle & wind up radio, no worries. no need for heating, don't feel the cold.
How wide is a Mig?
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I had a leisure battery that lasted for two weeks :y
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-berth-abi-award-daystar-touring-caravan-no-reserve_W0QQitemZ160315532415QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Campers_Caravans_Motorhomes?hash=item160315532415&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1121%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
Like i said. Don't need to spend much, this'll do.
Don't go bidding on it please!!!!! 8-)
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Doesn't look bad for a 20yr old van TBH :y :y :y :y
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I had a leisure battery that lasted for two weeks :y
Powering yer Rabbit? ;D
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-berth-abi-award-daystar-touring-caravan-no-reserve_W0QQitemZ160315532415QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Campers_Caravans_Motorhomes?hash=item160315532415&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1121%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
Like i said. Don't need to spend much, this'll do.
Don't go bidding on it please!!!!! 8-)
That is a portapotti, not a cassette toilet though Guy
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-berth-abi-award-daystar-touring-caravan-no-reserve_W0QQitemZ160315532415QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Campers_Caravans_Motorhomes?hash=item160315532415&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1121%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
Like i said. Don't need to spend much, this'll do.
Don't go bidding on it please!!!!! 8-)
That is a portapotti, not a cassette toilet though Guy
Not a lot of difference really though when it's only for emergency usage :y :y
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guy and the beastie towing a van ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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guy and the beastie towing a van ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I heard he's only buying one cos he can't reverse without a trailer. ;D ;D
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True but not planning on using it mate. Park near the trees & you can run for a Jimmy Riddle if need be. Think this is cheap coz it's missing a couple of bits i don't need so fingers crossed. Stove, fridge & lighting's all i need. Not taking it up as a hobby just a glorified tent! :y
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Good little van I think
12N is usefull - keeps your fridge cold, not bad to fit.
Need 240V or gas for the fridge when parked
Towing mirrors are essential
PFL - Milenco clamped ones fit
Leisure battery - yes deep cycle
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guy and the beastie towing a van ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I heard he's only buying one cos he can't reverse without a trailer. ;D ;D
Not too clever with one either Cptn!!!!!!! 8-) ::)
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Good little van I think
12N is usefull - keeps your fridge cold, not bad to fit.
Need 240V or gas for the fridge when parked
Towing mirrors are essential
PFL - Milenco clamped ones fit
Leisure battery - yes deep cycle
12N is essential! ;) That's the black one that does the lighting on the back of your caravan. 12S is the grey plug 7 socket that does the fridge & charging of the above leisure battery.
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-berth-abi-award-daystar-touring-caravan-no-reserve_W0QQitemZ160315532415QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Campers_Caravans_Motorhomes?hash=item160315532415&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1121%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
Like i said. Don't need to spend much, this'll do.
Don't go bidding on it please!!!!! 8-)
Looks good to me, for the money, have been having similar thoughts myself. Storage a bit of a problem for me, would have to pay for it.
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-berth-abi-award-daystar-touring-caravan-no-reserve_W0QQitemZ160315532415QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Campers_Caravans_Motorhomes?hash=item160315532415&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1121%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
Like i said. Don't need to spend much, this'll do.
Don't go bidding on it please!!!!! 8-)
Looks good to me, for the money, have been having similar thoughts myself. Storage a bit of a problem for me, would have to pay for it.
Could keep one at home but too many cars in & out of what is a small house really but i'm lucky enough to have the option of dropping it in the yard @ work. :y
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-berth-abi-award-daystar-touring-caravan-no-reserve_W0QQitemZ160315532415QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Campers_Caravans_Motorhomes?hash=item160315532415&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1121%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
Like i said. Don't need to spend much, this'll do.
Don't go bidding on it please!!!!! 8-)
Looks good to me, for the money, have been having similar thoughts myself. Storage a bit of a problem for me, would have to pay for it.
Could keep one at home but too many cars in & out of what is a small house really but i'm lucky enough to have the option of dropping it in the yard @ work. :y
On ebay at the mo, have had tourers, got rid of the last for health reasons, bought a static. :)
Now that we are going to meets though, got to balance camping, health makes this hard, with a small caravan, no need for an awning so should be ok, plus at a meet i can shout for help. :y
We will see what happens, but will blame you if swmbo becomes difficult. Good reason to keep the mig though, even is just kept as a tow car. :y :y
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Simple answer on batteries .. :)
A vehicle battery is designed to take a very large load over a short period ... around 60-80 amps - petrol 80 -100 amps - diesel and then get recharged at a high rate.. whatever the alternator shoves out.
A leisure battery is designed to take a much smaller load, usually a maximum of 20 amps, often much less, for a long continuous period, then to be recharged at a slow rate .. usually around 6 amps.
The internal design of the plates, and the distance between the plates is therefore totally different.
Having said that, I know many folks who have used vehicle batteries successfuly for 2-3 days, then recharged using a basic car charger and the batteries have lasted a year or so .. and they were usually second hand anyway ...
I have 2 "proper" leisure batteries in my 'van and can last 6-8 days easily, then recharge with a decent "smart" charger... both batteries are over 4 years old ....
You pays your money and you makes your choice .. :)
HTH
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Simple answer on batteries .. :)
A vehicle battery is designed to take a very large load over a short period ... around 60-80 amps - petrol 80 -100 amps - diesel and then get recharged at a high rate.. whatever the alternator shoves out.
A leisure battery is designed to take a much smaller load, usually a maximum of 20 amps, often much less, for a long continuous period, then to be recharged at a slow rate .. usually around 6 amps.
The internal design of the plates, and the distance between the plates is therefore totally different.
Having said that, I know many folks who have used vehicle batteries successfuly for 2-3 days, then recharged using a basic car charger and the batteries have lasted a year or so .. and they were usually second hand anyway ...
I have 2 "proper" leisure batteries in my 'van and can last 6-8 days easily, then recharge with a decent "smart" charger... both batteries are over 4 years old ....
You pays your money and you makes your choice .. :)
HTH
Happy to buy a new battery as i would use it. What is a smart charger?
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Smart chargers have "clever" electronics that reduce sulphation and can be left on continuoulsy without over charging a battery
This is the one I have ...
http://www.ctek.com/EN-GB/Multi-XS-3600.aspx?p=features
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Probably going to buy a tin tent ourselves if we can manage it. I'm afraid Jue will be attending meets on his own unless we do manage to get one. Unfortunately, with the family I have (needing seperate sleeping area's for the two kids cause they don't seem to be able to sleep if within sight of each other) its not going to be a cheapo van lol.
Good luck with your bidding Guy!
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Unfortunately, with the family I have (needing seperate sleeping area's for the two kids cause they don't seem to be able to sleep if within sight of each other) its not going to be a cheapo van lol. .......
Buy an awning! The 'good' kid(s) can sleep in the 'van, the 'naughty' kids can sleep in the (inner tent in the) awning! :y :y :y
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pm me your number as my mom has a caravan for sale its a 2 birth i think got end bathroom. its got awning and the little awnings that go onto them :y
if you pm me your number i'll get her to ring you with the details :y
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pm me your number as my mom has a ......
Is that the same as a Mum? or have we gone all American? ;) :y
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pm me your number as my mom has a ......
Is that the same as a Mum? or have we gone all American? ;) :y
mom mum
same same ;D ;D ;D ;D
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pm me your number as my mom has a ......
Is that the same as a Mum? or have we gone all American? ;) :y
mom mum
same same ;D ;D ;D ;D
Nappy ... Diaper
Aluminum ..... Aluminium same as .... just a few thousand miles apart! ::)
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pm me your number as my mom has a ......
Is that the same as a Mum? or have we gone all American? ;) :y
mom mum
same same ;D ;D ;D ;D
Nappy ... Diaper
Aluminum ..... Aluminium same as .... just a few thousand miles apart! ::)
picky git
mom and mum is the same and all the other s**t thats comes the same
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Unfortunately, with the family I have (needing seperate sleeping area's for the two kids cause they don't seem to be able to sleep if within sight of each other) its not going to be a cheapo van lol. .......
Buy an awning! The 'good' kid(s) can sleep in the 'van, the 'naughty' kids can sleep in the (inner tent in the) awning! :y :y :y
Only useful if the awning contained a strong cage :P
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Unfortunately, with the family I have (needing seperate sleeping area's for the two kids cause they don't seem to be able to sleep if within sight of each other) its not going to be a cheapo van lol. .......
Buy an awning! The 'good' kid(s) can sleep in the 'van, the 'naughty' kids can sleep in the (inner tent in the) awning! :y :y :y
Only useful if the awning contained a strong cage :P
Voila
(http://www.global-b2b-network.com/direct/dbimage/50028157/Medium_Dog_Cage.jpg)
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pm me your number as my mom has a ......
Is that the same as a Mum? or have we gone all American? ;) :y
mom mum
same same ;D ;D ;D ;D
Nappy ... Diaper
Aluminum ..... Aluminium same as .... just a few thousand miles apart! ::)
picky git
mom and mum is the same and all the other s**t thats comes the same
This is the Black Country! It's mom!!! ;)
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pm me your number as my mom has a ......
Is that the same as a Mum? or have we gone all American? ;) :y
mom mum
same same ;D ;D ;D ;D
Nappy ... Diaper
Aluminum ..... Aluminium same as .... just a few thousand miles apart! ::)
picky git
mom and mum is the same and all the other s**t thats comes the same
This is the Black Country! It's mom!!! ;)
thank you :y :y :y :y
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Hello Guy,
Forget all the anti caravan crap. Once you've used one successfully you'll find the benefits for we wrinklies, (no insult intended), only serve to enhance the fun you can have when tenting. Done it all in my time and enjoyed every minute.
Damp penetration is the real hazard in a caravan of that age, but it's the way I started and I have even now only progressed to a 10 year old one, to which I've made a few simple but very useful improvements., (including fire proofing to combat TB's attentions). ::) Have a good sniff inside, and if the mustiness is overpowering, be wary. Rot caused by damp is always far more extensive than you'd imagine.
Leisure batteries come in 80 and 110 amp capacities, and the larger one's can be bought online for around £60/70. There is an argument that they all need a much higher charge rate and may never get fully charged with a conventional charger but I've never had a problem with mine or the onboard charger, hooked up to the mains. Can get a week out of it easily with normal usage, but TV's and microwaves will drain it in a day or two.
It's a pity the hot water heater's been removed. That is a great luxury. Room for a bit of cheeky haggling, perhaps?
Good luck with the purchase. Enjoy it!
Regards,
Bill.
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Like i said. Don't need to spend much, this'll do.
Don't go bidding on it please!!!!! 8-)
Well that will teach me for looking at this forum at home.....wife's now instructed me too have a tow bar fitted. >:( ;D
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i'm tempted to take the towbar off my car as i wont use the towbar
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i'm tempted to take the towbar off my car as i wont use the towbar
Shame it wouldnt fit an estate...or would it...hmmmm ;D
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i'm tempted to take the towbar off my car as i wont use the towbar
Shame it wouldnt fit an estate...or would it...hmmmm ;D
not sure if it would or not
someone on here wil know
its got twin electrics
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i'm tempted to take the towbar off my car as i wont use the towbar
Shame it wouldnt fit an estate...or would it...hmmmm ;D
not sure if it would or not
someone on here wil know
its got twin electrics
Saloon & station wagon estate towbars are completely different from each other. :y
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there's your answer
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My advice is to rent a static from Keycamp or similar and enjoy the drive to France or Spain or Italy or wherever. No depreciation, no storage, damp, vandalism, extra fuel, extra ferry cost, annual insurance, etc. I love caravan holidays, don't care for hotel regimes, but to tow one any where worth going is, in my opinion, too much hassle. Go to a big static which is already where you want it.
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if your still after a caravan i just spoke to my mom thats selling hers and they said the person that wants to buy it if they can goto where the van is and help sort everything out like load there car with some stuff take the awning down etc etc it will be sold to that person that helps for £300
£300 for caravan awning 2 anex's and everything need for the van water containers gas bottles cuttlery the lot
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if your still after a caravan i just spoke to my mom thats selling hers and they said the person that wants to buy it if they can goto where the van is and help sort everything out like load there car with some stuff take the awning down etc etc it will be sold to that person that helps for £300
£300 for caravan awning 2 anex's and everything need for the van water containers gas bottles cuttlery the lot
Hi Nick. Replied to your pm.Probably cost me £400 with the fuel. Also you said it has an end bathroom. Got me heart set on an end kitchen, just prefer the layout for some reason.
VERY fair price though for what's included. Anyone nearer Bristol interested? :y
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pm me your number as my mom has a ......
Is that the same as a Mu (as YOU is too hard to spell for me)m? or have we gone all American? ;) :y
mom mum
same same ;D ;D ;D ;D
Nappy ... Diaper
Aluminum ..... Aluminium same as .... just a few thousand miles apart! ::)
picky git
mom and mum is the same and all the other s**t thats comes the same
This is the Black Country! It's mom!!! ;)
Well, up here it is Maam anp I hate the sound of that. ::) ::) ::)
Got to live with it though still trying to keep Mummy going at the mo. :)