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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: tunnie on 19 January 2007, 16:59:50
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vauxhall-Senator-3-0l-24v-straight-6_W0QQitemZ280069962333QQihZ018QQcategoryZ9858QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Watching that with interest to see where it goes...
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Oh a Senny thread.......wondered where they had gone to ;D ;)
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Quick Tunnie.....7 mins left at £62 :o You get get another for spares :y
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shall i buy??? SO CHEAP!
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i just bid up to £90... its not worth going higher really...
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Bidding reached £90 reserve not met with 30 people watching it!!!
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Bidding reached £90 reserve not met with 30 people watching it!!!
yeah, i nudged it up to £90 ;) :D
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Email the seller, see what he wants. I'd offer him another £10 on top of your bid.
He won't get more for it (at least not off any sane person!).
If he expects to get much more he will be seriously disappointed.
Senator has hydraulic self adjusting shims, so top end noise will be timing chain rattle or a terminal lack of oil supply.
That many dash lights does not bode well for the way the car has been "serviced" (I use that word in the loosest possible sense!).
Rear arches are :-Xed!! You don't just replace them... if only it was that simple!
Lost the V5 and the MOT? Well done that man! Still I don't really think this is a stolen car! ;D
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Email the seller, see what he wants. I'd offer him another £10 on top of your bid.
He won't get more for it (at least not off any sane person!).
If he expects to get much more he will be seriously disappointed.
Senator has hydraulic self adjusting shims, so top end noise will be timing chain rattle or a terminal lack of oil supply.
That many dash lights does not bode well for the way the car has been "serviced" (I use that word in the loosest possible sense!).
Rear arches are :-Xed!! You don't just replace them... if only it was that simple!
Lost the V5 and the MOT? Well done that man! Still I don't really think this is a stolen car! ;D
I only just glanced at it, did not see that.
Good job then i didn't buy it... LB66 what are "hydraulic self adjusting shims" ?? :-/
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As LB says......£100 for spare parts isnt bad if you've somewhere to store it :y
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As LB says......£100 for spare parts isnt bad if you've somewhere to store it :y
The chrome trim would have been usefull, and some LED's i need other than that mine is good 8-)
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one of my other cars is a carlton, and there is a thriving market for spares and car restoration. I also belong to
www.totalcarlton.co.uk a thriving club for the resoration of said models including the GSI and diplomat.
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Tunnie. Hydraulic self adjusting shims are simply the metal plates that are used to adjust the gap between the cams and the valves.
Hence tappety sound on a Senator = bad!
Older cars had tappets which needed manual adjustment periodically to do the same job. When the gap became too large you would get an engine sounding very rattly (old Talbot engines though sounded like this pretty much all the damn time!)
For a more technical (and better written) description, please await Marks post! ;)
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Tunnie. Hydraulic self adjusting shims are simply the metal plates that are used to adjust the gap between the cams and the valves.
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For a more technical (and better written) description, please await Marks post! ;)
The hydraulic lifters are a bit more than a shim, more like a short hyraulic pushrod.
See here (http://www.senator24v.co.uk/tappet1.htm) for pictures of them.
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Some people miss diagnose a tappety top end. Basically, there's an awful lot of injector noise from C30SE's. (I know you've noticed this!). Some people think it's the cams/followers.
If it is actually noisy 'tappets', then there's a good chance there's low oil pressure for some reason. That is most probably caused by clogged oil ways due to bad servicing or more likely, as in most Vx's, a clogged oil strainer in the sump. The strainer can be cleaned, but hope there's no terminal damage done.
The followers sometimes fail but can go on for ever if you can cope with the annoyance over what should be a silky smooth mill, but as I said before, might be a sign of something more major.
Any way it's probably best to avoid bad noises 'cos they ain't chep to fix.*
*Second hand engines however are as cheap as chips at the moment, but don't expect that to last much longer!
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When the gap became too large you would get an engine sounding very rattly (old Talbot engines though sounded like this pretty much all the damn time!)
Having owned a Talbot Horizon, I can vouch for this! Those engines were, of course, from the Simca days.
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Tunnie. Hydraulic self adjusting shims are simply the metal plates that are used to adjust the gap between the cams and the valves.
Hence tappety sound on a Senator = bad!
Older cars had tappets which needed manual adjustment periodically to do the same job. When the gap became too large you would get an engine sounding very rattly (old Talbot engines though sounded like this pretty much all the damn time!)
For a more technical (and better written) description, please await Marks post! ;)
French Talbot engines - yes a very noisy item, whenever they get old they get noisy, why I don't know - think it is poor lubrication, as they are only a push rod lump. The UK push rod engines were however quiet in comparison and a lot more reliable, however accusing a Sunbeam owner of having a Horriblison is very risky to your wellbeing (OK I made two prats get out of a pub and listen and look carefully "See 3 doors not 5, no rattles and the engine is the correct way round!")
I can still hear Horribleison clatter in my head now!
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When the gap became too large you would get an engine sounding very rattly (old Talbot engines though sounded like this pretty much all the damn time!)
Having owned a Talbot Horizon, I can vouch for this! Those engines were, of course, from the Simca days.
My comiserations - what made them rattle then?
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Cheers guys, I now know what they are :y
My Senny makes a slighly ticking sound on idle, Graham mentioned that you can hear 2 sets. Because at idle up to 4k rpm the engine acts as two 3 pot engines, then at 4k rpm becomes a 6pot and wooosh.... your off! :D
He reckoned some new plugs should sort me on that, about to do an oil & filter change on the Senator today, it it worth doing the oil strainer as BigRod mentioned? - Or is that the same thing as the filter? :-/
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Or is that the same thing as the filter? :-/
No, its not the same thing
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Or is that the same thing as the filter? :-/
No, its not the same thing
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Got a few bits to sort this morning, you ok on the Rover now? You mentioned you had some other jobs to do on it?
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Or is that the same thing as the filter? :-/
No, its not the same thing
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Got a few bits to sort this morning, you ok on the Rover now? You mentioned you had some other jobs to do on it?
Need bits to continue with Rover - they gave me a load of wrong parts >:(
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Or is that the same thing as the filter? :-/
No, its not the same thing
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Got a few bits to sort this morning, you ok on the Rover now? You mentioned you had some other jobs to do on it?
Need bits to continue with Rover - they gave me a load of wrong parts >:(
Bugger :(
You getting the parts this weekend, or is that next weeks job?
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Or is that the same thing as the filter? :-/
No, its not the same thing
8-)
Got a few bits to sort this morning, you ok on the Rover now? You mentioned you had some other jobs to do on it?
Need bits to continue with Rover - they gave me a load of wrong parts >:(
Bugger :(
You getting the parts this weekend, or is that next weeks job?
Next week now...
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at least its running again :y
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at least its running again :y
Yup :D
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Cheers guys, I now know what they are :y
My Senny makes a slighly ticking sound on idle, Graham mentioned that you can hear 2 sets. Because at idle up to 4k rpm the engine acts as two 3 pot engines, then at 4k rpm becomes a 6pot and wooosh.... your off! :D
He reckoned some new plugs should sort me on that, about to do an oil & filter change on the Senator today, it it worth doing the oil strainer as BigRod mentioned? - Or is that the same thing as the filter? :-/
Oil strainer is, not suprisingly, in the sump. It does the job of stopping crud in the sump getting into the oil feed lines.
You can take it out and clean it, but it is not a quick job...
The slight ticking noise you hear will be the injectors, completely normal. :)
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Cheers guys, I now know what they are :y
My Senny makes a slighly ticking sound on idle, Graham mentioned that you can hear 2 sets. Because at idle up to 4k rpm the engine acts as two 3 pot engines, then at 4k rpm becomes a 6pot and wooosh.... your off! :D
He reckoned some new plugs should sort me on that, about to do an oil & filter change on the Senator today, it it worth doing the oil strainer as BigRod mentioned? - Or is that the same thing as the filter? :-/
Oil strainer is, not suprisingly, in the sump. It does the job of stopping crud in the sump getting into the oil feed lines.
You can take it out and clean it, but it is not a quick job...
The slight ticking noise you hear will be the injectors, completely normal. :)
Yes, I can confirm Tunnie's ticking noise sounds like injectors. Just VERY loud for injectors...
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Tunnie. Hydraulic self adjusting shims are simply the metal plates that are used to adjust the gap between the cams and the valves.
Hence tappety sound on a Senator = bad!
Older cars had tappets which needed manual adjustment periodically to do the same job. When the gap became too large you would get an engine sounding very rattly (old Talbot engines though sounded like this pretty much all the damn time!)
For a more technical (and better written) description, please await Marks post! ;)
French Talbot engines - yes a very noisy item, whenever they get old they get noisy, why I don't know - think it is poor lubrication, as they are only a push rod lump. The UK push rod engines were however quiet in comparison and a lot more reliable, however accusing a Sunbeam owner of having a Horriblison is very risky to your wellbeing (OK I made two prats get out of a pub and listen and look carefully "See 3 doors not 5, no rattles and the engine is the correct way round!")
I can still hear Horribleison clatter in my head now!
Yes, agreed. The UK push rod engines were, of course, the Rootes item - far better all round! Our Hillman Minx (Arrow Shape) went round the clock twice which was quite an event in those days.
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When the gap became too large you would get an engine sounding very rattly (old Talbot engines though sounded like this pretty much all the damn time!)
Having owned a Talbot Horizon, I can vouch for this! Those engines were, of course, from the Simca days.
My comiserations - what made them rattle then?
That car met it's end when the rear suspension collapsed when going round a roundabout.
I don't know why the engine rattled so much - I suppose the valve gear was not that well put together, plus not a good oil feed. It was not a refined unit............
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Tunnie. Hydraulic self adjusting shims are simply the metal plates that are used to adjust the gap between the cams and the valves.
Hence tappety sound on a Senator = bad!
Older cars had tappets which needed manual adjustment periodically to do the same job. When the gap became too large you would get an engine sounding very rattly (old Talbot engines though sounded like this pretty much all the damn time!)
For a more technical (and better written) description, please await Marks post! ;)
Many moons ago I owned a 6 pot Princess (don't laugh ::)) that had this set up for ajusting valve clearences you had to measure the gaps remove the camshaft and followers work out the size shims required to obtain the right gaps by either adding or subtracting from the shims that were in place toddle of to the main stealer buy the shims usually a vaste assortment of different sizes put them back in the correct positions and replace the camshaft what a pain in the ass :o it was far easier adjusting pushrod type setups
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Tunnie. Hydraulic self adjusting shims are simply the metal plates that are used to adjust the gap between the cams and the valves.
Hence tappety sound on a Senator = bad!
Older cars had tappets which needed manual adjustment periodically to do the same job. When the gap became too large you would get an engine sounding very rattly (old Talbot engines though sounded like this pretty much all the damn time!)
For a more technical (and better written) description, please await Marks post! ;)
French Talbot engines - yes a very noisy item, whenever they get old they get noisy, why I don't know - think it is poor lubrication, as they are only a push rod lump. The UK push rod engines were however quiet in comparison and a lot more reliable, however accusing a Sunbeam owner of having a Horriblison is very risky to your wellbeing (OK I made two prats get out of a pub and listen and look carefully "See 3 doors not 5, no rattles and the engine is the correct way round!")
I can still hear Horribleison clatter in my head now!
Yes, agreed. The UK push rod engines were, of course, the Rootes item - far better all round! Our Hillman Minx (Arrow Shape) went round the clock twice which was quite an event in those days.
The Rootes 1600 Avenger lump was excellent
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When the gap became too large you would get an engine sounding very rattly (old Talbot engines though sounded like this pretty much all the damn time!)
Having owned a Talbot Horizon, I can vouch for this! Those engines were, of course, from the Simca days.
My comiserations - what made them rattle then?
That car met it's end when the rear suspension collapsed when going round a roundabout.
I don't know why the engine rattled so much - I suppose the valve gear was not that well put together, plus not a good oil feed. It was not a refined unit............
I never liked them - sounds like a good end