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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: MartinP on 30 August 2006, 20:22:07
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I have been asked for pic's of the installation, It is on the other site, but will put it on here as well for the newer members
Single point LPG, from back to front, pictures for reference.
Filling point
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/issunaz/LPG/Fillingposition.jpg)
Tank arrangement
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/issunaz/LPG/Gastank.jpg)
vent shroud over filling pipe
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/issunaz/LPG/Valveandpipes.jpg)
LPG live solonoid lives under the scuttle
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/issunaz/LPG/Solonoidvalve.jpg)
Vapouriser position
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/issunaz/LPG/Vapouriser.jpg)
valve between vapouriser and inlet, volume control valve( not sure where the control comes from for this valve)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/issunaz/LPG/InletSolonoidvalve.jpg)
inlet ports
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/issunaz/LPG/Bothinlets.jpg)
CPU postion
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/issunaz/LPG/Leonardocpu.jpg)
Control switch position, facelift TC switch fitted in new position
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/issunaz/LPG/Gasswitch.jpg)
info added by Vectrolosys
"If it's like other Leonardo systems I have seen, the control for that valve is taken from one of the lambda probes"
Hope this is of use to someone :)
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I have been asked for pic's of the installation, It is on the other site, but will put it on here as well for the newer members
Single point LPG, from back to front, pictures for reference.
Filling point
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/issunaz/LPG/Fillingposition.jpg)
Tank arrangement
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/issunaz/LPG/Gastank.jpg)
vent shroud over filling pipe
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/issunaz/LPG/Valveandpipes.jpg)
LPG live solonoid lives under the scuttle
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/issunaz/LPG/Solonoidvalve.jpg)
Vapouriser position
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/issunaz/LPG/Vapouriser.jpg)
valve between vapouriser and inlet, volume control valve( not sure where the control comes from for this valve)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/issunaz/LPG/InletSolonoidvalve.jpg)
inlet ports
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/issunaz/LPG/Bothinlets.jpg)
CPU postion
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/issunaz/LPG/Leonardocpu.jpg)
Control switch position, facelift TC switch fitted in new position
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/issunaz/LPG/Gasswitch.jpg)
info added by Vectrolosys
"If it's like other Leonardo systems I have seen, the control for that valve is taken from one of the lambda probes"
Hope this is of use to someone :)
Is it possiable to fit an lpg kit and conseal the filler cap somewhere so that's it not as obvious!!!
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On the same quarter as the petrol filler is the most popular place I hink,
Also fitted to the towbar and lower down on the same side as mine, so the it is less obvious.
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If its any help to others.....i can do pics of Omega estate install.....ive got a donut tank fitted....or pics of my VeccyC dual fuel installation....altho some pics of my omega install are in the gallery :)
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Does any drilling, or any electronic setup have to be done for this older single point system on the V6? Where does the LPG go into the engine??
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If its any help to others.....i can do pics of Omega estate install.....ive got a donut tank fitted....or pics of my VeccyC dual fuel installation....altho some pics of my omega install are in the gallery :)
Yep, get those pics up. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Besides, it won't do your post count any harm either. ;)
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Very interesting and nice pics!
One thing I found interesting is your moving and changing the TC switch. How did you go about this? This is a mod I want to do on my car.
If only I was brave enough to do a conversion!
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Very interesting and nice pics!
One thing I found interesting is your moving and changing the TC switch. How did you go about this? This is a mod I want to do on my car.
If only I was brave enough to do a conversion!
This install was done before i bought the car, I will check out the TC switch wiring when I change the seats as I may be changing the carpet and centre console at the same time.
Will put pics up then
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Sequential injection is the fun install
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Sequential injection is the fun install
And more economical to run
Even more miles to the gallon............ :D :D
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Had the scuttle off so this is the hidden LPG actuator valve in the engine bay
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/issunaz/LPG/LPGsolonoid.jpg)
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are the posters on this thread still active? do they still have the cars with single point lpg? if so i would appreciate some info from them or anyone else who has a single point lpg omega, and in particular one with the leonardo ecu.
thanks in advance!!
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White estate is scrapped
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White estate is scrapped
But I am still here :D :D
ask away!
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shame as it would have served as a good reference!! have you any old pics i could have of the install?
can you remember or maybe you know where the wiring goes to pick up all the signals for the leonardo controller?
i'm thinking of putting the lpg kit on from my dead rangerover v8, any do's and donts? really any info would be good, did you have backfires and did it damage anything when it did?
any info you can give will be a great help in ironing out potential problems!!
cheers
forgot to add, i'm confident of the mechanical side of installation up to the end of the vapouriser, after that i was thinking of aquiring two of them blos carbs, they look good and seem ok in principal. i'm not too sure of the electrikery, i would hope to link in rather than chop wires where ever possible so the kit can be removed if i screw up or change to another or indeed go out on another whim! lol!
and also where is the best place to install the vap, i want it to be accesible obviously but below the water line so as not to cause air locks!
and finally, the car is in daily use, i would prefer to keep on using it and do the installation over a weekend, is this a tall order? the only part that i can see as bieng th'crux' is the elec. so it may take 2 w/ends??
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I wasn't to hot on the electrickery side of it as it was pre-installed.
It does tend to blow the plastic bellows to bits when it backfires :o the car is then undrivable as it wont start.
I had a spare set tucked in the storage pod in the rear. Or use a roll of gaffer tape.
I only had issues when the ignition system was not performing due to a cam cover leak.
Try this link for leonardo emulators
http://www.aeb.it/products/feedback-systems/leonardo
Martin
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shame as it would have served as a good reference!! have you any old pics i could have of the install?
can you remember or maybe you know where the wiring goes to pick up all the signals for the leonardo controller?
i'm thinking of putting the lpg kit on from my dead rangerover v8, any do's and donts? really any info would be good, did you have backfires and did it damage anything when it did?
any info you can give will be a great help in ironing out potential problems!!
cheers
Don't bother!!! Mixer type systems will eventually backfire and could potentially do damage. As a cost saving exorcise you could re-use the tank but for the cost of a brand new front end sequential kit which is proven to work on the miggy (under £400 IIRCC) I wouldn't mess about with second hand ::) ::)
My kit, complete with 4 hole tank and all fittings etc, cost about £650-700. A couple of days work and it's all fitted and there's plenty of support for it on here :y :y :y
Just my opinions :y :y :y
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If you can find them quite a few of my install around
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shame as it would have served as a good reference!! have you any old pics i could have of the install?
can you remember or maybe you know where the wiring goes to pick up all the signals for the leonardo controller?
i'm thinking of putting the lpg kit on from my dead rangerover v8, any do's and donts? really any info would be good, did you have backfires and did it damage anything when it did?
any info you can give will be a great help in ironing out potential problems!!
cheers
forgot to add, i'm confident of the mechanical side of installation up to the end of the vapouriser, after that i was thinking of aquiring two of them blos carbs, they look good and seem ok in principal. i'm not too sure of the electrikery, i would hope to link in rather than chop wires where ever possible so the kit can be removed if i screw up or change to another or indeed go out on another whim! lol!
and also where is the best place to install the vap, i want it to be accesible obviously but below the water line so as not to cause air locks!
and finally, the car is in daily use, i would prefer to keep on using it and do the installation over a weekend, is this a tall order? the only part that i can see as bieng th'crux' is the elec. so it may take 2 w/ends??
My sequential installation took me a day and 2 halves start to finish... Can you update your profile with a location please as there may be people nearby who could lend a hand :y :y
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by bellows i assume you mean the corrugated intake pipes, i was thinking of putting one of the boyracer air filters on as this was done on the range rover and did help a bit to limit damage! and possibly replaceing the rest of the pipes with the silicone variety(or whatever is a bit more robust than plastic)
ive also toyed with the idea of a lightly sprung blow off device in the air intake system, got ideas but nothing made up yet!
mine also has the rocker gasket issue which needs doing before the lpg so this(hoefully) wont be an issue, at least not initially! also got to clean all the air intake and plenum, and basically bring it up to a good working standard before i go and mess with lpg!
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Gav, please see the links below for both my,and Kevin's DIY sequential fit... I can't emphasise enough that the mixer type system is both uneconomical and potentially very expensive (when it back fires)
Mine (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1219174789/8#8)
Kevin's (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1216678718/0)
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No point messing around Omegas don't like SPI much might as well try to get a second hand SGI front end
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No point messing around Omegas don't like SPI much might as well try to get a second hand SGI front end
Wasn't Markey desperate to get rid of one recently???
But TBH if it's more than £250ish I'd stump up the extra for brand new, with a 2 year warranty which has already been proven as worthwhile after Jay W(?) had issues updating the ECU Firmware and fried it ::) ::) ::)
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Injectors
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k286/martinimber/cd3.jpg)
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Or alternative injectors
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3054/2778264475_86c2d3b479.jpg)
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must agree with the guys comments above, I am about to do an install, it will be sequential. I have the old setup on the shelf in the garage.
Martin
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must agree with the guys comments above, I am about to do an install, it will be sequential. I have the old setup on the shelf in the garage.
Martin
Don't forget I have contact details for the AC kit and OOF get a discount :y :y :y
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bloody hell, quite overwhelmed with responses there.
if the front end kit can come in at under £400 then its a definate for my next car(hopefully a 3.2 saloon with bells and whistles) coupled with a tank then thats what i will budget for when i buy one.
the current car cost £350, i think it would be unwise to spend £400 on it as once i have a newer saloon it will be demoted to father inlaws weekly runner, to work on a monday morning, 6 miles, and then home on a saturday morning(lorry driver) then maybe a bit of w/end tip runs.
i have the kit available and its more of a tester type experience rather than wanting to make a perfect(commercial grade) installation. although as an ex gas fitter it will be done to the book on safety!
i will be giving it some thought and see how viable it is, i will need to look at the setup over the w/end a try and come up with a plan.
i'm looking forward to installing a sequential after seeing the pics, i love a neat installation, gives a better look than some of the rough things i have seen!
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one of the reasons for the blos carbs as seen on fleebay, is that i was gonna get an older engine for the rangie and the system could then be swapped back on to that and enable me to put the GREEN back into green laneing once the miggy estate became defunkt
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must agree with the guys comments above, I am about to do an install, it will be sequential. I have the old setup on the shelf in the garage.
Martin
Don't forget I have contact details for the AC kit and OOF get a discount :y :y :y
:y I have had the details from you a while ago
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must agree with the guys comments above, I am about to do an install, it will be sequential. I have the old setup on the shelf in the garage.
Martin
Don't forget I have contact details for the AC kit and OOF get a discount :y :y :y
:y I have had the details from you a while ago
Couldn't remember who's had them and who hasn't ::) ::) ::)
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bloody hell, quite overwhelmed with responses there.
if the front end kit can come in at under £400 then its a definate for my next car(hopefully a 3.2 saloon with bells and whistles) coupled with a tank then thats what i will budget for when i buy one.
the current car cost £350, i think it would be unwise to spend £400 on it as once i have a newer saloon it will be demoted to father inlaws weekly runner, to work on a monday morning, 6 miles, and then home on a saturday morning(lorry driver) then maybe a bit of w/end tip runs.
i have the kit available and its more of a tester type experience rather than wanting to make a perfect(commercial grade) installation. although as an ex gas fitter it will be done to the book on safety!
i will be giving it some thought and see how viable it is, i will need to look at the setup over the w/end a try and come up with a plan.
i'm looking forward to installing a sequential after seeing the pics, i love a neat installation, gives a better look than some of the rough things i have seen!
Agree with the logic... TBH is it even worth the effort of fitting it to the estate then??? :-/ :-/
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the effort my dear fellow is what i do for fun! love tinkering and the wifes uncle has a workshop so all the tools etc are free hire!! also the ramp comes in handy and the code readers and the vice and bearing press and... well nuff said!!
i'd also like to make my mistakes on a cheap car rather than one i want to keep!!
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the effort my dear fellow is what i do for fun! love tinkering and the wifes uncle has a workshop so all the tools etc are free hire!! also the ramp comes in handy and the code readers and the vice and bearing press and... well nuff said!!
i'd also like to make my mistakes on a cheap car rather than one i want to keep!!
Fair comment... I do it for fun now :y :y :y :y
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speaking of fun, do you think it would be possible to mount the miggy on the rangerover chassis and put some 44 inch wheels on, monster truck style!
it'd tidy up all my cars into one big (mess) crazy car, obviously it'd be multi point!! :D :D :D :D :D :D
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speaking of fun, do you think it would be possible to mount the miggy on the rangerover chassis and put some 44 inch wheels on, monster truck style!
it'd tidy up all my cars into one big (mess) crazy car, obviously it'd be multi point!! :D :D :D :D :D :D
A bloke round my way put an MGB-GT convertible body on a Rangey chassis.... Sounds horrible but actually looked quite good with the forrest style arches and all.... :y
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i think i might start with the small issues first!! lol!! who knows, if you see some nutter in a car that looks like a RTA in a vauxhall/landrover plant then it might just have been more than a pipe dream!! ;D ;D ;D
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Has any one informed thier insurance company of the conversion to LPG. I have run A senator 24 v Now 4.0 jeep crand cherokee and a mig 3.0 on gas and when informing them of the conversions they want to know if you have doc's for the install and also inform DVLA of the conversion Just asking?
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I informed both DVLA and Insurer ... DVLA sent me £10 and reduced my annual tax bill, Insurer wasn't interested once I said I had the stupid certificate and did they want a copy ... they were more concerned about the body kit than the LPG.
:)
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I informed both DVLA and Insurer ... DVLA sent me £10 and reduced my annual tax bill, Insurer wasn't interested once I said I had the stupid certificate and did they want a copy ... they were more concerned about the body kit than the LPG.
:)
What evidence did you have to supply to the DVLA?
Did they need to see the certificate?
Kevin
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If memory serves me they were happy with a photocopy of the certificate, and the amended V5 ... I think it was "LPG" in Type of Fuel .. and "Alternative Fuel" in the Taxation class .. but it was nearly a year ago ....... and I am getting old ..... :)
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What evidence did you have to supply to the DVLA
All you do is inform the that in my case a dualfuel vehicle.
Changes To Current Vehicle on log book and send it in .Comes back
Fuel Type Petrol/Gas.
May seem nothing but if something happens accident ect and it gets naughty someone is always waiting to stamp on your nuts.