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Title: Car Firm Collapse?
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 20 February 2009, 19:29:15
According to the BBC a UK car plant / firm is on the verge of a major financial collapse with 6,000 jobs being lost.

Also the car maker SAAB has gone into administration! :o :o :o

http://news.bbc.co.uk/

What will happen next in this living nightmare for British, and worldwide jobs?? ::) ::) ::) :-X
Title: Re: Car Firm Collapse?
Post by: bertiecbx550 on 20 February 2009, 19:31:11
Hope its not vauxhall :(....
Title: Re: Car Firm Collapse?
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 20 February 2009, 19:31:41
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According to the BBC a UK car firm is on the verge of a major financial collapse, and the car maker SAAB has gone into administration! :o :o :o

What will happen next in this living nightmare for British, and worldwide jobs?? ::) ::) ::) :-X


Miss reported again....Saab has filed for protection (the equivalent of chapt 11), which is different to placing them into the hands of the administrators!
Title: Re: Car Firm Collapse?
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 20 February 2009, 19:33:00
My moneys on one of the following

Vauxhall
Jaguar
Land Rover
Ford
Title: Re: Car Firm Collapse?
Post by: Welung666 on 20 February 2009, 19:39:21
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My moneys on one of the following

Vauxhall
Jaguar
Land Rover
Ford
or Honda
Title: Re: Car Firm Collapse?
Post by: Martin_1962 on 20 February 2009, 19:45:41
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My moneys on one of the following

Vauxhall
Jaguar
Land Rover
Ford


Hope it is Ford out of that lot
Title: Re: Car Firm Collapse?
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 20 February 2009, 19:45:52
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According to the BBC a UK car firm is on the verge of a major financial collapse, and the car maker SAAB has gone into administration! :o :o :o

What will happen next in this living nightmare for British, and worldwide jobs?? ::) ::) ::) :-X


Miss reported again....Saab has filed for protection (the equivalent of chapt 11), which is different to placing them into the hands of the administrators!

Don't think so........please read report:

"
Saab aims to survive without GM
Saab Turbo X
Saab has not made a profit since 2001

Carmaker Saab, which is owned by General Motors, has had its application to enter a reorganisation process approved by a Swedish court.

An administrator has been appointed to handle the process. Saab is seeking to create a fully independent business."

Miss reporting??????? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Car Firm Collapse?
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 20 February 2009, 19:58:03
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According to the BBC a UK car firm is on the verge of a major financial collapse, and the car maker SAAB has gone into administration! :o :o :o

What will happen next in this living nightmare for British, and worldwide jobs?? ::) ::) ::) :-X


Miss reported again....Saab has filed for protection (the equivalent of chapt 11), which is different to placing them into the hands of the administrators!

Don't think so........please read report:

"
Saab aims to survive without GM
Saab Turbo X
Saab has not made a profit since 2001

Carmaker Saab, which is owned by General Motors, has had its application to enter a reorganisation process approved by a Swedish court.

An administrator has been appointed to handle the process. Saab is seeking to create a fully independent business."

Miss reporting??????? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)


Sorry Mark.............I  didn't mean to bite like that; just having a bad day!! :-[ ::) ::) ::) ::)

I can see what you meant; the BBC I think are playing on the words released by SAAB. :D :D ;)
Title: Re: Car Firm Collapse?
Post by: platty on 20 February 2009, 20:03:43
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Miss reported
Who is this Miss. Reported anyway?  :-X :-[
Title: Re: Car Firm Collapse?
Post by: immx on 20 February 2009, 20:19:08
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My moneys on one of the following

Vauxhall
Jaguar
Land Rover
Ford

I would doubt it would be Ford or Vauxhall IMHO.
Title: Re: Car Firm Collapse?
Post by: webby23 on 20 February 2009, 20:21:45
Must be Jaguar Land Rover I think......remember Tata asking for help about 3 months ago and not getting it......so i guess sadly things have obviously continued to deteriate.......
Title: Re: Car Firm Collapse?
Post by: amba on 20 February 2009, 20:40:52
Major local VX and Saab dealer in Medway has closed,or as it was reported in local paper as "not had ist franchise renewed by Vauxhall.
When I went ther other day all cars had gone and place was stripped,so wonder how many other dealers are feeling the squeeze.
Title: Re: Car Firm Collapse?
Post by: Bandit127 on 20 February 2009, 20:50:42
Who the hell do the BBC think they are, reporting such a story without naming the company involved.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7901092.stm

With the usual penchant for blowing the numbers up out of proportion that the BBC lives by, it is much more likely to be TVR or Morgan than one of the big ones. You can add another zero to the "directly and indirectly employs" number of 6,000 if that was so.

Tw*t journalism strikes again.

[/RANT]

Title: Re: Car Firm Collapse?
Post by: LaserLance on 20 February 2009, 20:51:41
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Major local VX and Saab dealer in Medway has closed,or as it was reported in local paper as "not had ist franchise renewed by Vauxhall.
When I went ther other day all cars had gone and place was stripped,so wonder how many other dealers are feeling the squeeze.
Thats a bit strange this one, I go past Greens in Rainham and they have no cars in forecourt or showroom, but seem to have people working in there and cars in back of carpark by workshop area :-? :-? Must go in there on premise of needing to buy some bits and find out what the score is. The SAAB dealership in snodland has'nt had a car in there for months and that showroom is only 2-3 years old ,which is not that good
Title: Re: Car Firm Collapse?
Post by: amba on 20 February 2009, 21:02:16
Went into Greens in Snodland and all cars had gone and barrier was across entrance.
Last saturday went to Greens in Rainham and again all forecourt cars gone,but looked like parts dept wa still in use,but at 11.30 all was closed and times on door had been scratched out.
This week went to Pomphreys in Sittingbourne and parts guy told me that Snodland branch had gone as was in masssive dept and had water and electric cut off as had not paid bill..unsure as to position with the Rainham branch but they had been approached by several guys for work,as they hadn,t been paid for January....looks like Medway is without a VX dealer then .
Title: Re: Car Firm Collapse?
Post by: Timbuk on 20 February 2009, 21:11:00
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Major local VX and Saab dealer in Medway has closed,or as it was reported in local paper as "not had ist franchise renewed by Vauxhall.
When I went ther other day all cars had gone and place was stripped,so wonder how many other dealers are feeling the squeeze.
Thats a bit strange this one, I go past Greens in Rainham and they have no cars in forecourt or showroom, but seem to have people working in there and cars in back of carpark by workshop area :-? :-? Must go in there on premise of needing to buy some bits and find out what the score is. The SAAB dealership in snodland has'nt had a car in there for months and that showroom is only 2-3 years old ,which is not that good

Im not surprised, i picked my Irmy up from Greens in Rainham, they might of well have give it me ::) It would help if they had an idea about what they were selling, even if it was a trade in. Their loss, my gain 8-)
Title: Re: Car Firm Collapse?
Post by: Taxi_Driver on 20 February 2009, 21:11:40
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My moneys on one of the following

Vauxhall
Jaguar
Land Rover
Ford
or Honda

Wont be Honda.....the site in Swindon employs nearly that many.....well did  :(
However it wouldnt suprise me in the least if Honda closed its Swindon plant totally....and went back home. Which would be disaterous for Swindon  :(
Title: Re: Car Firm Collapse?
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 20 February 2009, 21:14:54
Jaguar has changed hands a lot, but so has Aston Martin.  Could be either of them.
Title: Re: Car Firm Collapse?
Post by: albitz on 21 February 2009, 09:01:26
I read somewhere recently that Ellesmere port plant is favourite to shut first ? :-/
Title: Re: Car Firm Collapse?
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 21 February 2009, 09:04:21
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I read somewhere recently that Ellesmere port plant is favourite to shut first ? :-/


Luton would go first as they make 'not a lot' there these days

I have a suspicion on Jag.....possibly Land Rover to.
Title: Re: Car Firm Collapse?
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 21 February 2009, 09:05:26
Ow yes, Saab have filed for protection, they have NOT called in the administrators (totaly different).

Its to buy time to re-structure in order to make them a viable stand alone buisness
Title: Re: Car Firm Collapse?
Post by: albitz on 21 February 2009, 09:10:56
No more vectra-Saabs then?
It would be nice to see companies like Saab going back too being relatively small companies with their own individual characteristics etc;
I would imagine it might be difficult for them to survive in the longer term though,with things such as development costs being so expensive these days.
Title: Re: Car Firm Collapse?
Post by: LaserLance on 21 February 2009, 09:15:58
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No more vectra-Saabs then?
It would be nice to see companies like Saab going back too being relatively small companies with their own individual characteristics etc;
I would imagine it might be difficult for them to survive in the longer term though,with things such as development costs being so expensive these days.
I'd imagine that the likes of SAAB would spread their development costs by going into partnerships with other car companies ,much like Suzuki and Kawasaki m/cycles have. But then SAAB were always a bit different to other cars being so in looks and styling, not a bad thing in some ways as they all seem to much of a much nowdays
Title: Re: Car Firm Collapse?
Post by: M0T0RVATE on 21 February 2009, 11:08:51
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Major local VX and Saab dealer in Medway has closed,or as it was reported in local paper as "not had ist franchise renewed by Vauxhall.
When I went ther other day all cars had gone and place was stripped,so wonder how many other dealers are feeling the squeeze.


It would seem that all are feeling the squeeze.
Question is, what is the root cause  ??
Not providing what the buying public want, or something banal as too high prices for cars and servicing ??

 :question :question
Title: Re: Car Firm Collapse?
Post by: M0T0RVATE on 21 February 2009, 11:14:04
Sad thing is, that all the sub-contractors who supply electrical components, lights, etc, will also be hit...

 :(
Title: Re: Car Firm Collapse?
Post by: mantagte on 21 February 2009, 11:24:33
Who the hell do the BBC think they are, reporting such a story without naming the company involved.

blame
Unite joint leader, Tony Woodley, declined to name the facility
not the bbc he wont give the details to anyone
Title: Re: Car Firm Collapse?
Post by: b16 b3n on 21 February 2009, 11:37:56
it seems to be hitting manufacturing hard at the moment. I was working for Leyland trucks up until the 12 of December but luckily i fell straight into the lpg scene as im a qualified mechanic.

From my point of view they all seem to be panicking becuase everybody else is, the thing is they will all regret laying people off and closing plants when the market picks back up, because no-one will want to go back incase it happens again.

It's a real shame it is hitting the industry and it doesnt help when Unite is the union for most of them. They dont seem to be doing anything, and the reason being is becuase unite officials are employed by the company and they are employed by unite so there not really bothered what happens.

It's like when i had my consultation the union rep just sat there and said nohting, and thats the bloke i was paying 10pounds a month to.

I just hope it picks back really soon.

They should just put everyone on partime hours for a short peiod at least that way everyone has a job and when the time comes for the market to pick back up they wont look so stupid.
Title: Re: Car Firm Collapse?
Post by: M0T0RVATE on 21 February 2009, 11:51:38
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it seems to be hitting manufacturing hard at the moment. I was working for Leyland trucks up until the 12 of December but luckily i fell straight into the lpg scene as im a qualified mechanic.

From my point of view they all seem to be panicking becuase everybody else is, the thing is they will all regret laying people off and closing plants when the market picks back up, because no-one will want to go back incase it happens again.

It's a real shame it is hitting the industry and it doesnt help when Unite is the union for most of them. They dont seem to be doing anything, and the reason being is becuase unite officials are employed by the company and they are employed by unite so there not really bothered what happens.

It's like when i had my consultation the union rep just sat there and said nohting, and thats the bloke i was paying 10pounds a month to.

I just hope it picks back really soon.

They should just put everyone on partime hours for a short peiod at least that way everyone has a job and when the time comes for the market to pick back up they wont look so stupid.

Annoying thing about union reps is that, most times, they have a chat with managers before the employee goes in. All sorted before employee gets a chance.

 :exclamation
Title: Re: Car Firm Collapse?
Post by: Martin_1962 on 21 February 2009, 12:16:54
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it seems to be hitting manufacturing hard at the moment. I was working for Leyland trucks up until the 12 of December but luckily i fell straight into the lpg scene as im a qualified mechanic.



So what happened to end up as an LPG installer?

At leastt if you get an Omega in to convert you know where to ask for advice.

I have seen pro installs which were not good - eg ECU within the air box
Title: Re: Car Firm Collapse?
Post by: b16 b3n on 21 February 2009, 13:26:09
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it seems to be hitting manufacturing hard at the moment. I was working for Leyland trucks up until the 12 of December but luckily i fell straight into the lpg scene as im a qualified mechanic.



So what happened to end up as an LPG installer?

At leastt if you get an Omega in to convert you know where to ask for advice.

I have seen pro installs which were not good - eg ECU within the air box


I was doing a year as a lpg converotr but then the business collapsed as partners couldnt see eye to eye but the guy who i was working for has set back up himself.

I have come across the gas ecu's installed in the airbox, not good and cheap installs. We make a bracket that we bolt to the bulkhead or at the side of the battery box, depends where room is and what type of gas installation they want, the worst one weve done has got to be a hummer, no room wot so eva!!!
Title: Re: Car Firm Collapse?
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 21 February 2009, 17:09:28
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My moneys on one of the following

Vauxhall
Jaguar
Land Rover
Ford
or Honda

Wont be Honda.....the site in Swindon employs nearly that many.....well did  :(
However it wouldnt suprise me in the least if Honda closed its Swindon plant totally....and went back home. Which would be disaterous for Swindon  :(


I should say, as this was meant to be one of the "new age" industries to provide jobs after the closure of Swindon's reason to exist, the major railway engineering works :'( :'( :'(, which had been (according to GWR supporters :y) the greatest railway engine builders in Britain, if not the World!! 8-) 8-)