Omega Owners Forum
Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: feeutfo on 20 February 2009, 10:33:08
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for anything not an Omega?
Odds are most of us have a second or more cars to look after for the Mrs and family members or what ever, joining other forums for the relevant maker is proof of the success of this forum, i dont think there is any other that gives such quick and accurate info. Certainly the vw and fiat forums are something of a joke by comparison.
I'm under the impression, rightly or wrongly, that a few members have left when replacing migs with other cars?
This could give them a reason to stay, and lets face it the supply of Omegas wont last for ever, we'll need to move on to something else eventually and this could also give us an idea as to whats better cheaper more reliable etc
Personally i cant see my omega ownership lasting much more than 6 up 7 years before it will have to be replaced, and as we know decent omegas are hard to find now never mind in 6 years time.
Just a thought, dont really want to bother admin with it as such, they have enough to do, just wondered what people think?
Cheers
Chris. :-)
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I'll purposely make no comment other than invite everyone for their views...
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Another section for admin to look after, another subforum to browse.
People do ask in gen chat about other cars, it isnt much, does it warrant its own section.
could be a bit barron, 'ive no interest/ knowledge in other cars, so I wont look', in gen chat you are pretty much guarantee'd looks, which 'may' be able to help, which may not happen if it required separate browsing.
Could cause us to grow from an omega forum to a general forum, didnt something similar happen on a cavalier owners forum?
if it takes off, further down the line could require splitting up much further.
Pros
Keeps all other car probs together and easy to find
free's gen chat from car problems completely, which could make moderation easier.
really undecidew on this one. :-/ probably slightly more on the against going by my list
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short term i agree Jimbob.
certainly not interested in making more work for admin, but i do think it would expand the forum, so a bit of contradiction there maybe.
But long term where will the forum be as omegas die off?
those posts that do come up seem tentative, apologetic and rather last resort as if feeling its not allowed but not getting help elsewhere, then often do get a helpfull response.
If other car posts where invited by a specific area for it, would it not take off a little? Then lead into something later to replace any gap left by dieing migs? There by keeping the forum going? Maybe now is not the time as the forum is growing?
I guess im not sure personally whats best in answering my own Q, a helpfull section for members with other makes or a long term thing for admin to consider where they want the forum to go...just wonder if you combine those 2 reasons does it make a case? Esp when you also consider the brains we are lucky to have on here(not mine obviously) they know their stuff and manya lesson learned on Omegas stand well on other cars....
Or just leave well alone as we risk diluteing what we have already as, lets face it, its Admins word on a Q that makes the place.... i wouldnt expect them to get that involved in non omega tbh given the name of the forum.
Just a thought, thinking aloud really...
Edited last paragraph as didnt make sense. :-[
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short term i agree Jimbob.
certainly not interested in making more work for admin, but i do think it would expand the forum, so a bit of contradiction there maybe.
But long term where will the forum be as omegas die off?
those posts that do come up seem tentative, apologetic and rather last resort as if feeling its not allowed but not getting help elsewhere, then often do get a helpfull response.
If other car posts where invited by a specific area for it, would it not take off a little? Then lead into something later to replace any gap left by dieing migs? There by keeping the forum going? Maybe now is not the time as the forum is growing?
I guess im not sure personally whats best in answering my own Q, a helpfull section for members with other makes or a long term thing for admin to consider where they want the forum to go...just wonder if you combine those 2 reasons does it make a case? Esp when you also consider the brains we are lucky to have on here(not mine obviously) they know their stuff and manya lesson learned on Omegas stand well on other cars....
Or just leave well alone and risk diluteing what we have already as, lets face it, its Admins word on a Q that makes the place.... i wouldnt expect them to get that involved in non omega tbh given the name of the forum.
Just a thought, thinking aloud really...
My personal view is the forum should go where the community wants it to go....
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I think Jimbob has covered most of it, but at the moment if there was to be annother section I reckon it would be better for "Home and Electrical".
There are far far more questions about computers, TV, hifi and even central heating problems than there are about other makes of cars.
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My views are quite simple ... the more "other things" that appear .. the less of an Omega Owners forum it will be .. :( The odd other thing in general chat is fine .. but seperate sections will encourage more postings of whatever they are called .. which IMHO will dilute the site..
It's not broken (at the moment ) so why fix it ?? If things change in the future, due to membership falling as the car "retires" perhaps then .... ??
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My views are quite simple ... the more "other things" that appear .. the less of an Omega Owners forum it will be .. :( The odd other thing in general chat is fine .. but seperate sections will encourage more postings of whatever they are called .. which IMHO will dilute the site..
It's not broken (at the moment ) so why fix it ?? If things change in the future, due to membership falling as the car "retires" perhaps then .... ??
i think its a good idea :y
by then entwood it willl be too late bud ! :(
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My views are quite simple ... the more "other things" that appear .. the less of an Omega Owners forum it will be .. :( The odd other thing in general chat is fine .. but seperate sections will encourage more postings of whatever they are called .. which IMHO will dilute the site..
It's not broken (at the moment ) so why fix it ?? If things change in the future, due to membership falling as the car "retires" perhaps then .... ??
Will be too late then. In the few months I have been a member I have seen people leave (Now Ex members) just because they sold thier Omega.
People come here originally for the sake of owning an Omega, these cars were never designed to last forever, but seeing as Vx have not done a suitable replacent thentheres nothing to keep people here once they sell.
More sections , more interest. At the moment there are 4 main sections which have sub groups. Even if annother section was created to take away the "Other traffic" and add things like "Home and Eletrics", "Other Car Problems" and even a "Fun and Frolicks Section" that would then keep "Other Business" segregated and allow "Old School" (please dont take offence in this as it is not intended) original members seeing the forum from changeing. This way they carry on as normal and the forum could if required then accomodate allmembers.
The plus side is that when doing a search it may hopefully put less stress on the server as users looking for items have more segragtion and maybe easier to find.
Just my personal observation as I have been involved in forum admin myself, and personally found tha more sections seemed to work better and drew more uers into using them.
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isnt this dejavous? like what happened with cavweb? more and more people sold their cars and moved onto vvoc and the likes. Its impossible to cater for everyone, The general chat area of this forum covers enough non omega stuff for me. any more would be mind numbing.
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I'm getting off the fence as the barbed wire is starting to hurt!
I can see both sides but I've got to ebb towards the people saying General Chat covers enough of the other cars and other stuff. I feel it would take away from the fact that this is an Omega forum first and foremost.
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Home and electrical?? why?? its a car forum
Other car section is a good idea,not all on here are Omega owners
Enthusiasts who drive other cars need help assistance and expertise as well.....
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I'm getting off the fence as the barbed wire is starting to hurt!
I can see both sides but I've got to ebb towards the people saying General Chat covers enough of the other cars and other stuff. I feel it would take away from the fact that this is an Omega forum first and foremost.
How do you see things long term?
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If there was another section then there would also be a place to post pics of cars.......
Why do i say that?
Well,why the hell do we have pictures of a Tigra in the gallery section????
Please dont take offence ann or nick,but this is a example of how members on here have other cars and interests in other cars and want to show them and share their experiences with others.....
But in this case,having OOF plates on it doesn't justify its presence in 'Vauxhall Omega Gallery'
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Pole added.
3 options each for yes and no to give an insight into peoples thinking, we can add up the 2 totals as we go.:-)
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voted fella :y
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voted fella :y
Good man. :-)
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Agree with mr entwood and vauxfan here, of course the migs will slowly but surely disappear but this forum is primarily about the omega. As a forum it already serves its social side under general chat and others which is probably equally as important to forum members as the tech. stuff. Just remember that most of the users joined in the first place because they own an omega. Im a member of the toyota estima site and , as that car is similarly aging, they face the same problem. Basically, people join because they want some tech help and as time moves on and you get to know people then the social side becomes equally important. Next thing you know, theyve had to get rid of the old car and replaced it by a new one, possibly a different make too, but they still want to remain on the forum as theyve made friends there. Havent seen any comments by users on either site to say that these people are no longer welcome. That seems fine by me, but as for a sep. section for "other cars" , I cant see the point. A) Im sure help could be found under existing headings and B) there could be so many different new cars that impossible to cater for them all and joining new forums for specific cars would be the way to go for people. For those who want to stay in touch online then why not let it remain the oof and let it remain to provide tech info for those who still run the a mig , whilst serving an increasingly social role for ex mig owning members as they have to change cars.
jerry
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Id have thought if the admin dont mind then ask any non Omega related questions be it car related or not in General chat.
Not voted as there no option for ""Makes no odds too me."".. :-/
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I'm getting off the fence as the barbed wire is starting to hurt!
I can see both sides but I've got to ebb towards the people saying General Chat covers enough of the other cars and other stuff. I feel it would take away from the fact that this is an Omega forum first and foremost.
How do you see things long term?
As things change and the Omega becomes less common then it can be reviewed surely!
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Realistically the omega will never completely die out, the following reasons explain why
1) They were mass produced and available to most of the european countries.
2)There will always be true enthusiasts that will rebuild, customise, ressurect older ones.
3) If you compare the omega to say the mk2 escort, there is significantly less escorts about today, yet they have a massive following with a large forum/web based info system
I dont see the miggy's retirement as an issue
Catering for all sorts of other makes on this forum, eg a 2006 bmw x5 is just going to baffle people. Horses for courses...
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Twice now i've over reacted to members saying "this is a car forum" or an "Omega" forum so i'm not going to be gobby tonight. Migs won't last forever, we all have to accept that. Whilst i have interests in other cars (classics) i don't feel we have a need for a new section. This is easily covered in general chat. the whole idea of g. chat is in my view for folk to chat about day to day life, music, burnt my dinner, bought a fiesta for £100 & sold it for £200 etc. Chatting brings folk together. We all love our Migs but it's a myopic view that thinks we should talk about nothing else, there is more to life.
So to sum up NO. General chat will suffice other cars, but please, some of you, stop posting on general chat "this is a car forum" we know that but it's the diversity of members characters that's made this forum the success it is. General chat allows us "chat" about other topics. Guy. :y
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Realistically the omega will never completely die out, the following reasons explain why
1) They were mass produced and available to most of the european countries.
2)There will always be true enthusiasts that will rebuild, customise, ressurect older ones.
3) If you compare the omega to say the mk2 escort, there is significantly less escorts about today, yet they have a massive following with a large forum/web based info system
I dont see the miggy's retirement as an issue
Catering for all sorts of other makes on this forum, eg a 2006 bmw x5 is just going to baffle people. Horses for courses...
I love classic cars but most people don't. As Omegas become classic most folk won't want them any more than you'd want my Cortina or any other 30 yr old car now, any remaining will be classics. Will we still be able to get the sensors, body panels, engine parts etc.?
If you're not into classic cars now i doubt you'd want to buy & run a Mig in 25/30years time. ::)
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my mig is sick and been parked up fo nearly 3 months. so i,m currently not driving an omega. but i totally agree with what amigo v6 says so my vote is posted.
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Realistically the omega will never completely die out, the following reasons explain why
1) They were mass produced and available to most of the european countries.
2)There will always be true enthusiasts that will rebuild, customise, ressurect older ones.
3) If you compare the omega to say the mk2 escort, there is significantly less escorts about today, yet they have a massive following with a large forum/web based info system
I dont see the miggy's retirement as an issue
Catering for all sorts of other makes on this forum, eg a 2006 bmw x5 is just going to baffle people. Horses for courses...
I love classic cars but most people don't. As Omegas become classic most folk won't want them any more than you'd want my Cortina or any other 30 yr (cant decide if I mean year or your) old car now, any remaining will be classics. Will we still be able to get the sensors, body panels, engine parts etc.?
If you're not into classic cars now i doubt you'd want to buy & run a Mig in 25/30years time. ::)
Year or your? I managed a good old fashioned Eng. Lang. O level & i imagine members will have the savvy to arrive at the conclusion it's not a 30 your old car. Grammatical abbreviations are acceptable in english language.
I don't care who you are but whoever modified my post is a pillock of the highest order. 2 red roses for being a prize tw*t. >:(
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Realistically the omega will never completely die out, the following reasons explain why
1) They were mass produced and available to most of the european countries.
2)There will always be true enthusiasts that will rebuild, customise, ressurect older ones.
3) If you compare the omega to say the mk2 escort, there is significantly less escorts about today, yet they have a massive following with a large forum/web based info system
I dont see the miggy's retirement as an issue
Catering for all sorts of other makes on this forum, eg a 2006 bmw x5 is just going to baffle people. Horses for courses...
I love classic cars but most people don't. As Omegas become classic most folk won't want them any more than you'd want my Cortina or any other 30 yr (cant decide if I mean year or your) (cant decide if I mean year or your) (cant decide if I mean year or your) (cant decide if I mean year or your) old car now, any remaining will be classics. Will we still be able to get the sensors, body panels, engine parts etc.?
If you're not into classic cars now i doubt you'd want to buy & run a Mig in 25/30years time. ::)
Year or your? I managed a good old fashioned Eng. Lang. O level & i imagine members will have the savvy to arrive at the conclusion it's not a 30 your old car. Grammatical abbreviations are acceptable in english language.
I don't care who you are but whoever modified my post is a pillock of the highest order. 2 red roses for being a prize tw*t. >:(
It's the word sensor thats kicked in.
Oh dear Post count 5822 :-X :-/
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I'm with Amigo! I run my Mig alongside 4 40+ 'year' old Morris Minors' the oldest being 55 this year. A classic will only be a classic if it has enough of a following! I'm sticking with my miggy!
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On this word sensor thing,i think it is pathetic to be honest,this is a adult forum,yet if you post a type error or whatever the post has bits added to make you look like a complete idiot! >:(
Lets bear in mind here that there are people on here who possibly have trouble with written English,grammar etc,and others who have problems with spelling etc.....
Yes the text speak is annoying,but also,this is the way young people communicate these days rightly or wrongly,if someone is used to 'texting' in this way then its not so easy to change....
Im with Amigo on this one and i personnally think that the Admins should have a look at this situation,we are grown ups and should not be treated like a school kid for a error...
Persistant 'text offenders' should be PM'd and asked to refrain from doing it,but what is the problem with abbreviations,
In that case why is EML allowed,MID etc etc?????
And one more point on it,it makes the thread look stupid with the patronising comments added
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On this word sensor thing,i think it is pathetic to be honest,this is a adult forum,yet if you post a type error or whatever the post has bits added to make you look like a complete idiot! >:(
Lets bear in mind here that there are people on here who possibly have trouble with written English,grammar etc,and others who have problems with spelling etc.....
Yes the text speak is annoying,but also,this is the way young people communicate these days rightly or wrongly,if someone is used to 'texting' in this way then its not so easy to change....
Im with Amigo on this one and i personnally think that the Admins should have a look at this situation,we are grown ups and should not be treated like a school kid for a error...
Persistant 'text offenders' should be PM'd and asked to refrain from doing it,but what is the problem with abbreviations,
In that case why is EML allowed,MID etc etc?????
And one more point on it,it makes the thread look stupid with the patronising comments added
Other efforts to reduce text speak have repeatedly failed. This one seems to be having better effectiveness. Its a sad state of affairs that its temporarily necessary, after all, its a simple request :-?
I'm not going to go through and edit every single post I see it in, so what else should I do? Delete the post without warning?
Yes, it does occasionally pick up where it shouldn't, there is never going to be a solution to that, be it censoring a crap language, swear words, whatever.
I wouldn't expect The Queen's English type grammar here - jeez, my grammar and spelling is about as poor as it gets sometimes, but for crying out loud...
In the case of simpler mobile phones, due to the difficulty in typing it, text speak still has a place - on mobile phones when texting. Not on an internet forum where 99% of users are going to have a full keyboard.
If you can think of another way of preventing talking like a bunch of gay teenagers without taking up any more of my time, I'm all ears...
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Im not saying to stop it mate,but i think it could be done without insulting comments...ive seen a couple of the comments which are not needed....
m8??
Whats wrong with
m 8 (The correct word is mate)??
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I dont personally use text speak but i would be pretty angry to be called either gay or stupid to be honest........
If i was called either of these in a Pub i would smack the person about, so i wouldn't be happy with it on here.....
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Do I detect some double standards floating around ... ??
It's fine to take the mick about "gay and stupid blue lights" but the same words "gay and stupid" can't be used about spelling and text speak ???
One of the main comments is that this is a place where banter and micky taking is allowed, and common, it is part of the character of OOF ... along with post count culls, innuendo, NWS pictures, rude (some would say crude) jokes, etc etc ..
But suddenly a big furore because the rules are being emphasised in a way you don't like ???
Over sensitive or political correctness gone mad ??? you decide ..
For me .. Admins work hard .. if they do things differently and I/we/you don't like it ... why throw teddy out of the cot ? ... there's a whole big world of reality outside the window .. take a look... far worse is said and done on radio/TV every day.
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To get back on thread, I personally think that GenChat serves the purpose for discussing any other cars/computers/plumbing/government etc without creating a seperate section for it.
Its the OMEGA owners forum. If and when the number of available Omegas reduces to such an extent that OOF becomes untenable, no doubt it will transmogrify into something else for a similar purpose.
Bit like Top gear really.... Originally a programme discussing cars and how they apply to Joe and Josephine Public. Its now a launchpad for three 'entertainers' who use assorted high powered, high priced vehicles for entertainment rather than the information of 99.9% of potential buyers....
As to the text speak thing, its getting discussed elswhere. No need to populate another thread with the same discussion...
ta... :y
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No Entwood its not double standards......refering to blue lights is not the same in any way shape or form to being called gay and stupid...
Lights are not people and that is reference to something that in other people's opinion may look gay and/or stupid.....
The spelling errors are calling someone personally gay and stupid,
Thats what i dont like about it,dont disagree the sensoring should be in place,just dont agree with the comments
And its certainly nothing to do with political correctness or over sensitive....doesn't matter if you call me gay,stupid,idiot or various swear words its not acceptable in my book....like i said previously if you called my anything offensive in the pub i'd give you a damm hard slapping
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Just read the bottom of your post hotel21....sorry i posted the same subject again.....im done here
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I think the odd post in general chat should be permitted but i would not endorse a separate section. We all encounter problems with non omega cars and for this purpose i feel it can be covered in general chat.
I just feel if you opened it up more it would end in a dilution of what this site should be targeted at - first and foremostly omegas.
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plenty of valid points on the whole, well, those that are on topic anyway.
Personally agree on all fronts to varying degrees. I just see an opportunity to extend the fantastic help on here, and apply it to members with other makes. I dont see people joining the forum just to post non omega help.
Yes General chat is enough, i feel another section would encourage "current members" where they may not have posted before.
Certainly there is no doubt, its not acceptable to distract the back bone of advise on omegas(admin basically) to another section.
However, weather there is demand? It would appear not.
Over all, a shame maybe? Could grow into something big. Weather big is good or bad..? Needs a wiser person than me to answer that one.
Wonder how oof is doing on the member front versus other forums? Just a thought. Anyone ?
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plenty of valid points on the whole, well, those that are on topic anyway.
Personally agree on all fronts to varying degrees. I just see an opportunity to extend the fantastic help on here, and apply it to members with other makes. I dont see people joining the forum just to post non omega help.
Yes General chat is enough, i feel another section would encourage "current members" where they may not have posted before.
Certainly there is no doubt, its not acceptable to distract the back bone of advise on omegas(admin basically) to another section.
However, weather there is demand? It would appear not.
Over all, a shame maybe? Could grow into something big. Weather big is good or bad..? Needs a wiser person than me to answer that one.
Wonder how oof is doing on the member front versus other forums? Just a thought. Anyone ?
I have to look at many other Vauxhall related sites as part of another role I do elsewhere :-X, and apart from the big established ones, the cross-model ones don't seem to do so well, either members or activity wise....
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If there was another section then there would also be a place to post pics of cars.......
Why do i say that?
Well,why the hell do we have pictures of a Tigra in the gallery section????
Please dont take offence ann or nick,but this is a example of how members on here have other cars and interests in other cars and want to show them and share their experiences with others.....
But in this case,having OOF plates on it doesn't justify its presence in 'Vauxhall Omega Gallery'
..there's also some pictures of volvo's to chime in a bit late,
i can see both sides of the arguement..even if we dont have a proper section for other cars then there should be atleast somewhere for people to discuss other topics wether it's different marques of car or home and electrical as somebody suggested lol! anyway looks like it might just be in general chat!
just my 2p anyway, as people have said omegas arnt going to last forever and vx havn't replaced it yet but having gen chat/other marques section would give people ideas of similar and not so similar cars to have after(or aswell as for that matter)
*i edited pretty much all the middle section of my post out and couldnt be bothered to retype it all*