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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 March 2009, 13:37:02
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A forty seven year old man has been given a six month jail sentence for a terrible crime..............What did he do...............Did he break into a house................did he rape a woman................did he have child pornography...............did he beat up an old lady..............NO
He was caught speeding at 122mph on his bike with his 14 year old son as a pillion.................What actual damage did he cause?................NONE.............Who actually suffered from what he did............NOBODY
In my opinion a simple 3 points on his license and a speeding fine would have been enough.
Is this another case of Nanny knows best?
Would he have received the same treatment if he had been driving a car? >:( >:( :y :y :y
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I think he also got a 12/18 month ban.......which i think is fair enough for going that speed.
I dont think imo that he deserved a custodial sentence.
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Should have been a shorter ban 3 to 6 months - HE WAS NOT DRINKING, HE WAS IN CONTROL
Not custodial - NO ONE HURT, NOTHING STOLEN
Easy target, steal or mug - they are nice to you - speed - go to prison >:(
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I think (yet again) the law has shown iself to be an Ass!
As Optimist60 points-out; this is a motoring offence...yes, a serious 'driving-ban and fining' matter, because of the speed concerned, but a custodial sentence is surely inappropriate.
I can only assume there was a particularly obtuse J.P sitting on the bench (one with a 'thing' about speed/bikes etc.).
I despair reading the reports on this case; as recidivist-thieves and violent offenders so-often seem 'untouchable' by the law.
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Bikers do get victimised like a friend who was riding along being overtaken by loads of cars - he got pulled and fined, and was told it was because he was on a bike!
BTW I know of a pub in that area which is haemoraging customers as the land lord is an extreme anti speed nutter, he has a pretend speed camera and points it at passing customers. There was a Gatso nearby until JCB modified ;D Also has been burnt as well
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He did the crime now he will do the time.
No sympathy from me, sorry, and it is only down to luck that he, his son or anyone else wasnt killed by his insanity....
Deserves everything he got, and dont moan on the very first occasion when the justice system penalises somebody severely.....it should be encouraged to do that alot more often......!!!!
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Yeah, a bit irresponsible taking a minor out, but a bit harsh giving out a custodial sentence!
Its very much the luck of the draw I'd say when it comes to driving penalties. Unfortunately, hardened criminals in more sinister fields probably get preferential treatment because they know the system inside out, and play the rights card like a fiddle.
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122mph in the wet, with a child on the back. How many of you would be supporting him not being locked up if he had come off and killed the child ?
We all no big sports bikes have virtually slick tyres anyway.
And at the end of the day crime is crime, if you can't do the time don't do the crime.
He took the chance of killing himself and a child. :-/
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Would you want one of your children sitting on a bike going at 122mph on a public road? Or in a car for that matter?
Apparently, the child didn't have full protective clothing, but I can't see what good protective clothing would have been if he'd come off at that speed.
The bloke deserves 6 months, if not more, for sheer irresponsibility in endangering that child's life.
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I have to say, he did a bloody stupid and irresponsible thing and hence he should be punsihed.
But a custodial sentance is wrong, a lengthy ban and a big fat fine would have been more more appropriate as this would have removed him from the road, resulted in higher insurance premiums and would not have deprived his son from seeing his father for 6 months (and the son is the real loser in all this it would appear).
I always think if the pissy sentances and slapped hands that get handed out following massive police chases on the likes of road wars as a comparison.
I suspect he will exit prison having had possibly no endorsements on his license, get back on the same bike and do the same again.
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While I agree with the last two (edit - Jereboam and watcher's) posts, I can't think that locking him up for 6 months will do his 14 year old son any good. A good stiff dose of community service would have been more productive in my view.
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Still think it is over the top and custodial is wrong.
Nothing did happen.
Harsher punishment than many criminals get and harsher than the majority of drink drivers.
Road user = easy target
Hence I thought a shorter ban was more apt.
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I can see that we have a few fans of the "What if" scenario on this thread...................what if this happened.......................what if that happened..
But surely this man should be judged by "what actually did happen"....................which was.......no one killed.......no one injured..............no damage caused.................no alcohol involved...it simply boils down to a mere motoring offence....and nothing more.
To put a man in prison for such a thing............is in my opinion disgraceful.
If we are to give people a custodial sentence for something that "we might do"......or "something that could have happened"...............then the government will have to significantly revise it's prison building plans. :-/ :y :y
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I saw a video of it on the news, the clip they showed was on a bend. Not sure if this was just a TV news report as I didnt see it all.
It was a hand held speed gun, and if it was the actual offence I saw then he certainly didnt look like he was travelling twice the speed of the roads limit other wise the cars he passed would have looked a lot slower.
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Still think it is over the top and custodial is wrong.
Nothing did happen.
Harsher punishment than many criminals get and harsher than the majority of drink drivers.
Road user = easy target
Hence I thought a shorter ban was more apt.
Presumably then drinking and driving is acceptable as long as 'nothing happens'
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Didn't that Labour Peer only get six months, when he was texting, and ploughed into the back of someone whom he killed?
Bloke on the bike did a stupid thing, pity he wasn't a Labour Peer though.
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Still think it is over the top and custodial is wrong.
Nothing did happen.
Harsher punishment than many criminals get and harsher than the majority of drink drivers.
Road user = easy target
Hence I thought a shorter ban was more apt.
Presumably then drinking and driving is acceptable as long as 'nothing happens'
I am in favour of more graded punishments but DD AFAIK is a nono
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122mph in the wet, with a child on the back. How many of you would be supporting him not being locked up if he had come off and killed the child ?
We all no big sports bikes have virtually slick tyres anyway.
And at the end of the day crime is crime, if you can't do the time don't do the crime.
He took the chance of killing himself and a child. :-/
:-? That's news to me !
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122mph in the wet, with a child on the back. How many of you would be supporting him not being locked up if he had come off and killed the child ?
We all no big sports bikes have virtually slick tyres anyway.
And at the end of the day crime is crime, if you can't do the time don't do the crime.
He took the chance of killing himself and a child. :-/
:-? That's news to me !
I believe he assumes as sports bikes tend too have a different tread pattern too other bikes he assumes there slicks.
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122mph in the wet, with a child on the back. How many of you would be supporting him not being locked up if he had come off and killed the child ?
We all no big sports bikes have virtually slick tyres anyway.
And at the end of the day crime is crime, if you can't do the time don't do the crime.
He took the chance of killing himself and a child. :-/
:-? That's news to me !
I believe he assumes as sports bikes tend too have a different tread pattern too other bikes he assumes there slicks.
Ah right. :y
That's the problem, folk don't realise that the technology behind bike tyres is streets ahead of car tyres.
The rear tyre for the average sports bike costs well over £100 and will last around 3k miles.
The average litre sports bike will accelerate from 0mph to 100mph and back to 0mph in less time than the average car can reach 60mph.
Not saying he wasn't irresponsible seeing as a passenger (not just a minor, any passenger) was on board, but what about the Young 'n' Dumb hot hatch brigade, hammering around our streets...with their mates on board. Several lives involved.
Custodial sentences there ? I doubt it somehow.
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According to the news reports he was doing over 120mph,in the wet with his 14 year old son on the back.To me thats rather stupid.I rarely carry passengers and tend to ride like a granny when I do.
I personally dont have an issue with the speed,but in the wet with his kid on the back suggests he needed to be taught a lesson,a couple of summers of not being on his bike might have done the trick,but I dont think a prison term was called for,no-one was hurt.
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122mph in the wet, with a child on the back. How many of you would be supporting him not being locked up if he had come off and killed the child ?
We all no big sports bikes have virtually slick tyres anyway.
And at the end of the day crime is crime, if you can't do the time don't do the crime.
He took the chance of killing himself and a child. :-/
:-? That's news to me !
Me too,they have a completely different type of tread pattern to a car tyre(different tools for very different jobs)but a good set of tyres on a bike will give surprisingly high levels of wet weather grip.
I put a new set of Bridgestones on mine today,££££££ :'(
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A Guy on Roadwars just got 4 months suspended sentance for dealing drugs and several motoring offences, including failing to stop and no insurance. Lets get this into some perspective.
Must ask my brother how fast he hs been with my stepson, when he was 14, and my brother is a ROSPA instructor. Don't get me wrong, I am not excusing the speed he was doing in the wet, but do not think that a custodial sentance was needed in this case.
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I agree that a custodial sentence is over the top and a long ban is more appropriate.....
Are they not just making him an example in the media to prevent others doing this sort of thing? It's received pretty high publicity levels for a traffic offence which seems out of proportion to the crime he committed.
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BTW I know of a pub in that area which is haemoraging customers as the land lord is an extreme anti speed nutter, he has a pretend speed camera and points it at passing customers.
Serves him right if all his customers desert him and he goes out of business. I wouldn't spend a single penny in any shop where the proprietor pointed speed guns at people. The only reason I pay towards my local police force, which points a lot of speed guns/cameras at me, is because the b*st*rds put you in prison if you don't pay into their protection racket.
There was a Gatso nearby until JCB modified ;D Also has been burnt as well
Personally I think that's the best thing to do with a Gatso, and the sooner they're all taken down the better.
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Just shows how useless the judicial system is in this country. 14 months for breaking the speed limit with a child on the back of a bike or 18 months for wiping a family of 6 out with you truck >:(
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Then you get the usaul suspect papers scaremongering with headlines " This bike has a top speed of 220 mph " complete and utter load of bovine effluent ,186 mph yes because thats what the speed limiter on it is set to . Plus to get 200 mph you need at leat 200 bhp and a large set of ...... to go that fast ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)