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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Dusty on 06 March 2009, 17:37:22
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MOT due soon,and boy do I have a poor selection of tyres on my miggy.
Here goes.
SPARE,....Brand new Michelin Pilot....205/65 V rated 15 inch. :-?
FRONT....2x225/55 Firestone Firehawk W rated 16 inch. :o
REAR....1x Uniroyal 225/55 H...yes H rated...16 inch :(
and 1x Maxxis 225/55.....V rated...16 inch. :(
So,presumably,the brand new spare won't fit,and then I have a selection of "W"rated "V" rated and a "H " rated tyres.
Any ideas please. :-* :-* :-*
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First thing is what is your budget for tyres, then how many miles a year do you do ? Do you want budget or premuim. I have a pair of Pirelli P 600 on rear and Dunlop sportrac of front, but me bad tracking has killed those >:( >:( so im in same boat as you dusty.I got quoted £40 each for Hankooks and £55 for sava's , not sure which to go for
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First thing is what is your budget for tyres, then how many miles a year do you do ? Do you want budget or premuim. I have a pair of Pirelli P 600 on rear and Dunlop sportrac of front, but me bad tracking has killed those >:( >:( so im in same boat as you dusty.I got quoted £40 each for Hankooks and £55 for sava's , not sure which to go for
Premium Lance,but at a budget price ;D ;D.and I don't think that a Omega should have ANY "H" rated tyres on it. :-* :-* :-*
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Hi,
I have contis on all my wheels and as I got them at different times that aren't all the same speed rating.
That has not been a problem for MOT.
Nor has the fact that My spare is a michelin on a 16 steel rim (My alloys are 17's) that's never been a problem at MOT.
I am under the impression that different brands on the same axle is an MOT failure (please correct me if this is out of date, folks), but to have two of one make on the front axle and two of another on th the rear is ok
What is the condition of the tyres? Tread deapth is the main thing that is looked for at MOT (again- any one knows extra do tell!), so check that out.
If getting through MOT is the the priority any tyre with safe tread depth would be ok.
There are many threads on the forum about the popularity of different tyre brands - it has a lot to do with personal preference and what you can afford!
Good luck!
Matthew
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Check your handbook for minimum speed ratings. I think all V6 were W or Z rated.
Using a lower speed rating than the manufacturer recommends (regardless of what speed you may drive at) **may** invalidate your insurance.
WRT spare, all tyres carry a manufacturing date. The manufacturers generally warn about using tyres older than 5yrs. I'm guessing your spare is at least that old (seeing as all Omegas are at least 6yrs old), so I'd only use in emergency.
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the answer depends on which brand is the newest ..
or As Firestone is couple and if they are fairly new buy another 2 from same brand and use this new 2 in front as brakes are more important :y
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Hi,
I have contis on all my wheels and as I got them at different times that aren't all the same speed rating.
That has not been a problem for MOT.
Nor has the fact that My spare is a michelin on a 16 steel rim (My alloys are 17's) that's never been a problem at MOT.
I am under the impression that different brands on the same axle is an MOT failure (please correct me if this is out of date, folks), but to have two of one make on the front axle and two of another on th the rear is ok
What is the condition of the tyres? Tread deapth is the main thing that is looked for at MOT (again- any one knows extra do tell!), so check that out.
If getting through MOT is the the priority any tyre with safe tread depth would be ok.
There are many threads on the forum about the popularity of different tyre brands - it has a lot to do with personal preference and what you can afford!
Good luck!
Matthew
Different sizes on same axle is an MOT failure I believe, hence spares should be considered a get-you-home spare on Omega.
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Hi,
I have contis on all my wheels and as I got them at different times that aren't all the same speed rating.
That has not been a problem for MOT.
Nor has the fact that My spare is a michelin on a 16 steel rim (My alloys are 17's) that's never been a problem at MOT.
I am under the impression that different brands on the same axle is an MOT failure (please correct me if this is out of date, folks), but to have two of one make on the front axle and two of another on th the rear is ok
What is the condition of the tyres? Tread deapth is the main thing that is looked for at MOT (again- any one knows extra do tell!), so check that out.
If getting through MOT is the the priority any tyre with safe tread depth would be ok.
There are many threads on the forum about the popularity of different tyre brands - it has a lot to do with personal preference and what you can afford!
Good luck!
Matthew
Different sizes on same axle is an MOT failure I believe, hence spares should be considered a get-you-home spare on Omega.
yep..its another problem.. as the circumferences of 205*65*15 is really different than 225*55*16 ..so if you drive with that (even mot lets you) the car will pull to right or left :-/ so this means you need 1 more..
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Hi,
I have contis on all my wheels and as I got them at different times that aren't all the same speed rating.
That has not been a problem for MOT.
Nor has the fact that My spare is a michelin on a 16 steel rim (My alloys are 17's) that's never been a problem at MOT.
I am under the impression that different brands on the same axle is an MOT failure (please correct me if this is out of date, folks), but to have two of one make on the front axle and two of another on th the rear is ok
What is the condition of the tyres? Tread deapth is the main thing that is looked for at MOT (again- any one knows extra do tell!), so check that out.
If getting through MOT is the the priority any tyre with safe tread depth would be ok.
There are many threads on the forum about the popularity of different tyre brands - it has a lot to do with personal preference and what you can afford!
Good luck!
Matthew
Different sizes on same axle is an MOT failure I believe, hence spares should be considered a get-you-home spare on Omega.
yep..its another problem.. as the circumferences of 205*65*15 is really different than 225*55*16 ..so if you drive with that (even mot lets you) the car will pull to right or left :-/ so this means you need 1 more..
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If I have a puncture ,surely I can't use the 15 inch spare.
The spare is new (unused),but surely can't be the original as I can't believe that vauxhall would think that it is a good idea to have one wheel smaller than the rest.Would they.?
All tyres only have about 2-3 mm left. I will replace all four,but with what?. :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Many cars ,particularily those with very wide tyres use a spacesaver spare wheel which is around than half the width of the tyres on the car.they are intended for emergency use only and normally carry advise to drive at a max.of something like55mph.
I wouldnt be overly concerned about having a spare which is a bit smaller,but if I had to use it I would only be for as short a time as possible.
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Theres a guy on ebay based in Macclesfield who runs a tyre fitting garage and charges £38.50 inc fitting (if you can get there) and thats for 235 45 17s........Event brand but have heard good reviews of them......Dont need any myself yet but more than likely have a look at them when i am due some.
:y
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omegas spare is a W Rated tyre from memory i think mine is a 16" but with the same rolling circumferance as an MV6 alloy still incorrect sizes on axles is deffinatly an MOT fail!
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Many cars ,particularily those with very wide tyres use a spacesaver spare wheel which is around than half the width of the tyres on the car.they are intended for emergency use only and normally carry advise to drive at a max.of something like55mph.
I wouldnt be overly concerned about having a spare which is a bit smaller,but if I had to use it I would only be for as short a time as possible.
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If they can fit a 15inch wheeel and tyre in the boot ,then why not fit a full sized one .
I could understand if it was a spacesaver ,but a 205/65 x15 is hardly small. :-* :-* :-*
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Try tyretraders.com they deliver and fit or you can call into 1 of their agents(local garage) they have a massive selection and online assistance and are quite local to you in darlaston(walsall) :y
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Theres a guy on ebay based in Macclesfield who runs a tyre fitting garage and charges £38.50 inc fitting (if you can get there) and thats for 235 45 17s........Event brand but have heard good reviews of them......Dont need any myself yet but more than likely have a look at them when i am due some.
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Now that seems like good value.Thanks Webby. :-* :-* :-*
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if you love nr Ludlow try Ian Jones Tyres hes cheap and i got Toyo T1R's off him for the same price as black circles fitted!
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Hi,
I have contis on all my wheels and as I got them at different times that aren't all the same speed rating.
That has not been a problem for MOT.
Nor has the fact that My spare is a michelin on a 16 steel rim (My alloys are 17's) that's never been a problem at MOT.
I am under the impression that different brands on the same axle is an MOT failure (please correct me if this is out of date, folks), but to have two of one make on the front axle and two of another on th the rear is ok
What is the condition of the tyres? Tread deapth is the main thing that is looked for at MOT (again- any one knows extra do tell!), so check that out.
If getting through MOT is the the priority any tyre with safe tread depth would be ok.
There are many threads on the forum about the popularity of different tyre brands - it has a lot to do with personal preference and what you can afford!
Good luck!
Matthew
Different sizes on same axle is an MOT failure I believe, hence spares should be considered a get-you-home spare on Omega.
yep..its another problem.. as the circumferences of 205*65*15 is really different than 225*55*16 ..so if you drive with that (even mot lets you) the car will pull to right or left :-/ so this means you need 1 more..
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If I have a puncture ,surely I can't use the 15 inch spare.
The spare is new (unused),but surely can't be the original as I can't believe that vauxhall would think that it is a good idea to have one wheel smaller than the rest.Would they.?
All tyres only have about 2-3 mm left. I will replace all four,but with what?. :-* :-* :-* :-*
problem is the factory is a bit skinny..225*55*16 normally is not selling here..and I'm sure they make a cheap agreement >:(
but after again behave skinny and dont change the backup according to that.. There is a saying in my language "take oil from the fly" ;D
seriously if you buy 215*55*16 tire circumferences are very close
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Just put a couple of Kumhos KU31's on the front of mine and I am quite impressed with them!
80 quid a corner.
I have had a few Event brand tyres before on cars I have bought.....never, ever again, I drive my cars to hard!
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if you love nr Ludlow try Ian Jones Tyres hes cheap and i got Toyo T1R's off him for the same price as black circles fitted!
That is perverse!! ;D ;D
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Just put a couple of Kumhos KU31's on the front of mine and I am quite impressed with them!
80 quid a corner.
I have had a few Event brand tyres before on cars I have bought.....never, ever again, I drive my cars to hard!
I've not given these 2 Events any stick, although confidence in the wet wasn't very inspiring.
I had a couple of Khumos on the front of my Senator. No idea what pattern/style etc but I thought they were sh1te. :y
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Your spare tyre is a larger profile to make up for the smaller wheel rim size, the overall diameter of your spare will be the same as the other tyres.
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Just put a couple of Kumhos KU31's on the front of mine and I am quite impressed with them!
80 quid a corner.
I have had a few Event brand tyres before on cars I have bought.....never, ever again, I drive my cars to hard!
I've not given these 2 Events any stick, although confidence in the wet wasn't very inspiring.
I had a couple of Khumos on the front of my Senator. No idea what pattern/style etc but I thought they were sh1te. :y
in the last two years kumho changed the quality somehow..
http://www.reviewcentre.com/reviews130380.html
http://www.tyretest.com/pkw_sommerreifen/kumho/ku31/index.html
but still I cant trust them..
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Your spare tyre is a larger profile to make up for the smaller wheel rim size, the overall diameter of your spare will be the same as the other tyres.
My spare is a 15" and all others are 16". Tony is right and it's absolutely fine for s spare & MOT. :y
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Just put a couple of Kumhos KU31's on the front of mine and I am quite impressed with them!
80 quid a corner.
I have had a few Event brand tyres before on cars I have bought.....never, ever again, I drive my cars to hard!
I've not given these 2 Events any stick, although confidence in the wet wasn't very inspiring.
I had a couple of Khumos on the front of my Senator. No idea what pattern/style etc but I thought they were sh1te. :y
They have quite a range and the KU31's are the top end fully silica based ones.
Very good, quiet and grippy, even this morning with the wet and cold.
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diameters Circumferences
205*55*15 >> 647.5 mm 2034.2 mmm
225*55*16 >> 653.9 mm 2054.3 mm
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+6.4 mm 20.1 mm
at 80 km/h
80,0000 meters / 3600 sec = 22.222 m/sec =22222 mm/sec
205*55*15 >>> 10.924 turns /sec
225*55*16 >>> 10.817 turns / sec :-?
which is quite different.. :-/
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diameters Circumferences
205*55*15 >> 647.5 mm 2034.2 mmm
225*55*16 >> 653.9 mm 2054.3 mm
-------- ----------
+6.4 mm 20.1 mm
at 80 km/h
80,0000 meters / 3600 sec = 22.222 m/sec =22222 mm/sec
205*55*15 >>> 10.924 turns /sec
225*55*16 >>> 10.817 turns / sec :-?
which is quite different.. :-/
You are a mathematical genius Cem. :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Tried once before putting a standard alloy as on my V6 in spare tyre well in my estate wont got in leaves boot area cover in boot sticking up so i guess spare will be a narrower tyre :y
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diameters Circumferences
205*55*15 >> 647.5 mm 2034.2 mmm
225*55*16 >> 653.9 mm 2054.3 mm
-------- ----------
+6.4 mm 20.1 mm
at 80 km/h
80,0000 meters / 3600 sec = 22.222 m/sec =22222 mm/sec
205*55*15 >>> 10.924 turns /sec
225*55*16 >>> 10.817 turns / sec :-?
which is quite different.. :-/
You are a mathematical genius Cem. :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
thanks. compared to the genius electronics and mechanics wizards here my knowledge is nothing.. :-[
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diameters Circumferences
205*55*15 >> 647.5 mm 2034.2 mmm
225*55*16 >> 653.9 mm 2054.3 mm
-------- ----------
+6.4 mm 20.1 mm
at 80 km/h
80,0000 meters / 3600 sec = 22.222 m/sec =22222 mm/sec
205*55*15 >>> 10.924 turns /sec
225*55*16 >>> 10.817 turns / sec :-?
which is quite different.. :-/
5/10 Must try harder :)
The 15" standard tyre is 205 65 15, look up the circumference for that and it should be very close to that of the 225 55 16
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diameters Circumferences
205*55*15 >> 647.5 mm 2034.2 mmm
225*55*16 >> 653.9 mm 2054.3 mm
-------- ----------
+6.4 mm 20.1 mm
at 80 km/h
80,0000 meters / 3600 sec = 22.222 m/sec =22222 mm/sec
205*55*15 >>> 10.924 turns /sec
225*55*16 >>> 10.817 turns / sec :-?
which is quite different.. :-/
5/10 Must try harder :)
The 15" standard tyre is 205 65 15, look up the circumference for that and it should be very close to that of the 225 55 16
You beat me to it, was just goint to point that out........... ;)
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diameters Circumferences
205*55*15 >> 647.5 mm 2034.2 mmm
225*55*16 >> 653.9 mm 2054.3 mm
-------- ----------
+6.4 mm 20.1 mm
at 80 km/h
80,0000 meters / 3600 sec = 22.222 m/sec =22222 mm/sec
205*55*15 >>> 10.924 turns /sec
225*55*16 >>> 10.817 turns / sec :-?
which is quite different.. :-/
5/10 Must try harder :)
The 15" standard tyre is 205 65 15, look up the circumference for that and it should be very close to that of the 225 55 16
That makes far more sense ... I can't see Vx fitting a spare that is so different to the "normal" tyre.
I "believe" one of the reasons for the difference in size is not just the "hole" it fits into .. but the fact that it was designed that way as the cost of alloy wheels in those days was quite high .. so a steel wheel with a different profile tyre was much cheaper than an alloy spare + normal tyre .. and the storgae area was designed around that. The spare is then "thinner" so gives more boot space ...
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diameters Circumferences
205*55*15 >> 647.5 mm 2034.2 mmm
225*55*16 >> 653.9 mm 2054.3 mm
-------- ----------
+6.4 mm 20.1 mm
at 80 km/h
80,0000 meters / 3600 sec = 22.222 m/sec =22222 mm/sec
205*55*15 >>> 10.924 turns /sec
225*55*16 >>> 10.817 turns / sec :-?
which is quite different.. :-/
5/10 Must try harder :)
The 15" standard tyre is 205 65 15, look up the circumference for that and it should be very close to that of the 225 55 16
my mistake all my calculations are based on 205 65 15 but I write it wrong ;)
and definitely if you use that spare on the front the car wont go straight ..
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diameters Circumferences
205*55*15 >> 647.5 mm 2034.2 mmm
225*55*16 >> 653.9 mm 2054.3 mm
-------- ----------
+6.4 mm 20.1 mm
at 80 km/h
80,0000 meters / 3600 sec = 22.222 m/sec =22222 mm/sec
205*55*15 >>> 10.924 turns /sec
225*55*16 >>> 10.817 turns / sec :-?
which is quite different.. :-/
5/10 Must try harder :)
The 15" standard tyre is 205 65 15, look up the circumference for that and it should be very close to that of the 225 55 16
That makes far more sense ... I can't see Vx fitting a spare that is so different to the "normal" tyre.
I "believe" one of the reasons for the difference in size is not just the "hole" it fits into .. but the fact that it was designed that way as the cost of alloy wheels in those days was quite high .. so a steel wheel with a different profile tyre was much cheaper than an alloy spare + normal tyre .. and the storgae area was designed around that. The spare is then "thinner" so gives more boot space ...
I must re check the spare in our Mig, I am sure it is an unused full size alloy, on a 1998 GLS estate ::) ::). Been a while since I looked :-[
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diameters Circumferences
205*55*15 >> 647.5 mm 2034.2 mmm
225*55*16 >> 653.9 mm 2054.3 mm
-------- ----------
+6.4 mm 20.1 mm
at 80 km/h
80,0000 meters / 3600 sec = 22.222 m/sec =22222 mm/sec
205*55*15 >>> 10.924 turns /sec
225*55*16 >>> 10.817 turns / sec :-?
which is quite different.. :-/
diameters Circumferences
205*65*15 >> 647.5 mm 2034.2 mmm
225*55*16 >> 653.9 mm 2054.3 mm
-------- ----------
+6.4 mm 20.1 mm
at 80 km/h
80,0000 meters / 3600 sec = 22.222 m/sec =22222 mm/sec
205*65*15 >>> 10.924 turns /sec
225*55*16 >>> 10.817 turns / sec
corrected!
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Mine is certainly a "steely" .. I'll check the size tomorrow ... :(
In the meantime ... this site might save some overheating calculators ...
http://www.tyresave.co.uk/tyresize.html
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Mine is certainly a "steely" .. I'll check the size tomorrow ... :(
In the meantime ... this site might save some overheating calculators ...
http://www.tyresave.co.uk/tyresize.html
;D :y
I used that link
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html