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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Lizzie_Zoom on 12 March 2009, 13:22:18
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A couple lost their two children, and the father left crippled, in a car crash caused by a three times over the drink drive limit footballer, Luke Martin McCormick, doing 97 mph. The driver got seven years in prison, but it is recognised he will be out in just over three years!
The journalist who threw shoes at President Bush has today received a three year jail sentence:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7938947.stm
I know these two cases involve two separate countries and their justice systems, but how do we value life in the UK and dispense justice accordingly?? :o :o >:( >:( >:(
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And was it not recently that a speeding motorcyclist was jailed for 2 and a half years because what might have hapened. :o :o :o
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And was it not recently that a speeding motorcyclist was jailed for 2 and a half years because what might have hapened. :o :o :o
True!! :y :y
So what is justice in 2008? :-? :-? :-? :-?
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And was it not recently that a speeding motorcyclist was jailed for 2 and a half years because what might have hapened. :o :o :o
True!! :y :y
So what is justice in 2008? :-? :-? :-? :-?
Up here they are about to sentance a bloke for killing 2 adults when his car went off the road as he was speeding around residential area at up to 100mph, drunk. >:(
Let's see what he gets :-X
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Yes..................It seems a crazy world at times Lizzie............Three years for throwing a pair of shoes (that missed)at the cretinous....bumbling........inept.....intellectually challenged fomer U.S President seems wholly inappropriate to me.
Just imagine the sentence ..................if one of the shoes had actually hit the imbecile. :'( :'( :y
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And was it not recently that a speeding motorcyclist was jailed for 2 and a half years because what might have hapened. :o :o :o
True!! :y :y
So what is justice in 2008? :-? :-? :-? :-?
Lizzie are you lagging behind the rest of us
we are in 2009 now :y
Doug
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Yes..................It seems a crazy world at times Lizzie............Three years for throwing a pair of shoes (that missed)at the cretinous....bumbling........inept.....intellectually challenged fomer U.S President seems wholly inappropriate to me.
Just imagine the sentence ..................if one of the shoes had actually hit the imbecile. :'( :'( :y
Fair do's - he managed to dodge them both :( :( :'(
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And was it not recently that a speeding motorcyclist was jailed for 2 and a half years because what might have hapened. :o :o :o
True!! :y :y
So what is justice in 2008? :-? :-? :-? :-?
Lizzie are you lagging behind the rest of us
we are in 2009 now :y
Doug
Oh yes so it is! ::) ::) :-[ :-[ :-[ These bloody years go by even quicker now!! :D :D ;)
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Unfortunately Cyclops and his bunch of leftwing social
do-gooders misfits have completely tied the hands of the judiciary by failing to build sufficient prisons and instigating this stupid bunch of even more leftwing social manipulators
http://www.sentencing-guidelines.gov.uk/
and
http://www.sentencing-guidelines.gov.uk/guidelines/council/quick.html
A read of that will frighten you ... and remember ... whatever that list of stupidity imposes.. the actual time served will be much less .. usually 50% .. :(
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And was it not recently that a speeding motorcyclist was jailed for 2 and a half years because what might have happened. :o :o :o
True!! :y :y
So what is justice in 2008? :-? :-? :-? :-?
Up here they are about to sentance a bloke for killing 2 adults when his car went off the road as he was speeding around residential area at up to 100mph, drunk. >:(
Let's see what he gets :-X
Jailed for 10 years, just released some details, sdriver, pissed, ran off after accident leaving a 2 year old in the middle of the road, having been thrown out of his pushchair, child survived, Dad and Dad's friend died.............. All were collecting conkers by the side of the road, they were not crossing the road............:'(
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And was it not recently that a speeding motorcyclist was jailed for 2 and a half years because what might have happened. :o :o :o
True!! :y :y
So what is justice in 2008? :-? :-? :-? :-?
Up here they are about to sentance a bloke for killing 2 adults when his car went off the road as he was speeding around residential area at up to 100mph, drunk. >:(
Let's see what he gets :-X
Jailed for 10 years, just released some details, sdriver, pissed, ran off after accident leaving a 2 year old in the middle of the road, having been thrown out of his pushchair, child survived, Dad and Dad's friend died.............. All were collecting conkers by the side of the road, they were not crossing the road............:'(
So 10 years, that will become 5 for killing two :o :o >:(
No justice whatsoever for those bereaved! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( >:( >:(
In addition why was this sentence 10 years, when the footballer got just 7, both of which will be halved, when in both cases two people died????? >:( >:( >:(
It used to be that the sentence would be "hung by the neck until dead". That was justice; a life for a life! Controversial I know, but..........................!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Unfortunately, due to the leftwing social twits ... whilst the MAXIMUM sentence allowable for Death by dangerous driving" is 14 years imprisonment, what is called the "starting point" is only 8 years and the courts are then FORCED to
"3. Consider relevant aggravating factors, both general and those
specific to the type of offence This may result in a sentence level being identified that is higher than the suggested starting point, sometimes substantially so.
4. Consider mitigating factors and personal mitigation
There may be general or offence specific mitigating factors and matters of personal mitigation which could result in a sentence that is lower than the suggested starting point (possibly substantially so), or a sentence of a different type."
So it is highly unlikely anyone would ever get the maximum sentence. The Judges hands are well and truly tied. If they breach these guidlines the accused will simply appeal and has a chance of getting off on a technicality.
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Yes..................It seems a crazy world at times Lizzie............Three years for throwing a pair of shoes (that missed)at the cretinous....bumbling........inept.....intellectually challenged fomer U.S President seems wholly inappropriate to me.
Just imagine the sentence ..................if one of the shoes had actually hit the imbecile. :'( :'( :y
Maybe he's had the three years because he missed ;D
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Since when was justice served in the UK in recent times. Police gather evidence pass it on to Criminal Protection Service (CPS) who are only interested in a prosecution which may bare no resemblence to the original charge anyway. Everyones human rights seems to overide everything these days even the pathetic excuse some muppet calls justice, why bother getting upset
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Yes..................It seems a crazy world at times Lizzie............Three years for throwing a pair of shoes (that missed)at the cretinous....bumbling........inept.....intellectually challenged fomer U.S President seems wholly inappropriate to me.
Just imagine the sentence ..................if one of the shoes had actually hit the imbecile. :'( :'( :y
Fair do's - he managed to dodge them both :( :( :'(
He dodged them as quick as any politician dodges a straight answer, but no they did'nt connect so an assault charge is questionable. Attempted assault?
I think round those parts to throw a shoe at some one is the ultimate disrespective insult & highly frowned upon hence the harsh sentance. Appeal pending though. :-/
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She could be out in 4 years
nuff sed
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Mother-Claire-Biggs-Jailed-For-Horrific-Cruelty-Campaign-Aginst-Son-Rhys-London/Article/200903215238574?lpos=UK_News_Top_Stories_Header_2&lid=ARTICLE_15238574_Mother_Claire_Biggs_Jailed_For_Horrific_Cruelty_Campaign_Aginst_Son_Rhys_London
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Yes..................It seems a crazy world at times Lizzie............Three years for throwing a pair of shoes (that missed)at the cretinous....bumbling........inept.....intellectually challenged fomer U.S President seems wholly inappropriate to me.
Just imagine the sentence ..................if one of the shoes had actually hit the imbecile. :'( :'( :y
Fair do's - he managed to dodge them both :( :( :'(
He dodged them as quick as any politician dodges a straight answer, but no they did'nt connect so an assault charge is questionable. Attempted assault?
I think round those parts to throw a shoe at some one is the ultimate disrespective insult & highly frowned upon hence the harsh sentance. Appeal pending though. :-/
So, what will the women who threw the green custart at ??? get,
do you think, as she conected. ::)
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Yes..................It seems a crazy world at times Lizzie............Three years for throwing a pair of shoes (that missed)at the cretinous....bumbling........inept.....intellectually challenged fomer U.S President seems wholly inappropriate to me.
Just imagine the sentence ..................if one of the shoes had actually hit the imbecile. :'( :'( :y
What sentence mate...she would have had 10 secret service guys all jump on her and shot the buggery out of her.... :o
Its sickening how the law makers can get it so wrong. :(
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That bloke who threw the shoes deserves 3 years in jail....Learning how to hit a target!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I usually dont post on these threads but i feel i have to on this one
My Unkle David was a bike riding instructor and was a capable and compitent driver, he had been working on his bike one day changing the alternator and took it out for a test run when he was met by a drunk idiot with 3 wheels on his car on the wrong side of the road.
he hit Davie head on and kept going.
It took 3 days for Davie to die of multiple internal injuries and we could do nothing but watch.
the effect this had on my family was huge and long lasting infact his mother(my gran) died 4 days after davie did and to this day we say it was of shock.
since that no member of my family has owned a bike and we are all very anti drink driving.
I work in the pubs and clubs industry and if i ever see someone getting into a car that shouldnt be becqause there pissed i always phone the coppers NO exceptions ever.
I am of the opinion if i can prevent one person from going through what we all went through it is worth it.
as for the guy who killed Davie he jumped on a plane to germany and was never in a Brittish court for his crime therefor we never got any closure or feeling there was any justice served.
this "accident" happened years ago but we are still very raw about it and we will never forgive nor forget.
Dougie
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I usually dont post on these threads but i feel i have to on this one
My Unkle David was a bike riding instructor and was a capable and compitent driver, he had been working on his bike one day changing the alternator and took it out for a test run when he was met by a drunk idiot with 3 wheels on his car on the wrong side of the road.
he hit Davie head on and kept going.
It took 3 days for Davie to die of multiple internal injuries and we could do nothing but watch.
the effect this had on my family was huge and long lasting infact his mother(my gran) died 4 days after davie did and to this day we say it was of shock.
since that no member of my family has owned a bike and we are all very anti drink driving.
I work in the pubs and clubs industry and if i ever see someone getting into a car that shouldnt be becqause there pissed i always phone the coppers NO exceptions ever.
I am of the opinion if i can prevent one person from going through what we all went through it is worth it.
as for the guy who killed Davie he jumped on a plane to germany and was never in a Brittish court for his crime therefor we never got any closure or feeling there was any justice served.
this "accident" happened years ago but we are still very raw about it and we will never forgive nor forget.
Dougie
Sorry for your loss, but you do put the point of the berieved family very well, I have recently been informed of the loss in a car crash of someone close, different circimstances, but never the less a loss and the family are finding it hard to close.
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as for the guy who killed Davie he jumped on a plane to germany and was never in a Brittish court for his crime therefor we never got any closure or feeling there was any justice served.
this "accident" happened years ago but we are still very raw about it and we will never forgive nor forget.
Dougie
Where is he now?
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as for the guy who killed Davie he jumped on a plane to germany and was never in a Brittish court for his crime therefor we never got any closure or feeling there was any justice served.
this "accident" happened years ago but we are still very raw about it and we will never forgive nor forget.
Dougie
Where is he now?
Germany
He was a german working at a factory that produces mdf board
a new production line was being installed and he was over here working on the line installation
He returned to Germany and as far as i know he has never been on brittish soil since.
Its a scar that has never healed and even thinking about it makes me feel rage and anger like nothing else on this planet hence i dont usualy talk about it.
Something that i have never been able to understand is when i see people on the tv who have lost a loved one at the hands of another person and they say "i forgive them" perhaps its me? I wish that man nothing but harm.
I wont post any more on this thread now as ive opend up something i want to put back into its box again
Doug
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as for the guy who killed Davie he jumped on a plane to germany and was never in a Brittish court for his crime therefor we never got any closure or feeling there was any justice served.
this "accident" happened years ago but we are still very raw about it and we will never forgive nor forget.
Dougie
Where is he now?
Germany
He was a german working at a factory that produces mdf board
a new production line was being installed and he was over here working on the line installation
He returned to Germany and as far as i know he has never been on brittish soil since.
Its a scar that has never healed and even thinking about it makes me feel rage and anger like nothing else on this planet hence i dont usualy talk about it.
Something that i have never been able to understand is when i see people on the tv who have lost a loved one at the hands of another person and they say "i forgive them" perhaps its me? I wish that man nothing but harm.
I wont post any more on this thread now as ive opend up something i want to put back into its box again
Doug
That is a f*&k1ng disgrace - we will happily extradite anyone, anywhere but can't prosacute a EU 'citizen' for a crime committed in this country >:( :( :o :-?
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I was moved when I read your post Doog and I really do appreciate the hurt you must have felt when writing it.
I have, praise be to God, never lost anyone in such circumstances, so I can only imagine the hot pot of grief, anger, frustration and a desire to seek revenge that must ensue after such an appalling event.
This emphasises in the worst way how justice for so many citizens can be so elusive due to a flawed structure that allows monetary, and sometimes "human rights" considerations to hinder the natural path of retribution. In this awful case I suspect that the CPS considered it too costly to extradite the man involved from Germany, as I am not aware of any political or legal reasons why that could not have transpired with the right will of the British prosecutors.
God though will eventually enact the divine justice on this man, have no fear, even if the British justice system cannot.
:'( :'( :'(